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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:48 PM, elfenix said:

i don't know what kind of silo you've gotten yourself into but amnesty has been speaking out against russia since the start of the war.  you only have to go to their website to see that.

 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 3:16 PM, elfenix said:

so one report out of 50?

 

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Stop being obtuse, they have clearly been infiltrated/influenced heavily by Russian propaganda teams to the point that as an organization their opinions are pure fucked trash.

That bullshit Amnesty hit piece article from ~5 months ago accusing Ukraine of committing war crimes by using clearly ABANDONDED schools  as military headquarters while at the same time Russia was actively shelling real Hospitals and clearly marked civillian bomb shelters renders every fucking article they write or publish afterwards as worthless.

And everything they write until their entire current WORLDWIDE leadership team is replaced will continue to be complete and total bullshit.

 

They lost their way, this isnt the Amnesty International we knew growing up in school that told South Africa to free Mandella, or to stop global torture, or stop using cluster bombs.... this new social media savvy version of AI has been corrupted by Russian money power and influence for the past 20 years.

 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 3:30 PM, AUS-97HORN said:

 

 

Stop being obtuse, they have clearly been infiltrated/influenced heavily by Russian propaganda teams to the point that as an organization their opinions are pure fucked trash.

That bullshit Amnesty hit piece article from ~5 months ago accusing Ukraine of committing war crimes by using clearly ABANDONDED schools  as military headquarters while at the same time Russia was actively shelling real Hospitals and clearly marked civillian bomb shelters renders every fucking article they write or publish afterwards as worthless.

And everything they write until their entire current WORLDWIDE leadership team is replaced will continue to be complete and total bullshit.

 

They lost their way, this isnt the Amnesty International we knew growing up in school that told South Africa to free Mandella, or to stop global torture, or stop using cluster bombs.... this new social media savvy version of AI has been corrupted by Russian money power and influence for the past 20 years.

 

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y'all are ignoring the 95% of reports and i'm the one who's obtuse?  say the one report is shit but don't lie and say that all they've done for months is provide cover for russians. 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:20 PM, utee94 said:

I've been working too much this week instead of spending all of my time reading Surly so I might have missed it-- were last week's fears that Russia was leaving Kherson as a trap, set to blow, unfounded?  They just left so quickly that we assumed it was a planned retreat and a dangerous trap, but in reality it was more like a rout?

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:23 PM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Yeah when I asked folks to call their shot on Kherson, folks went with the evilest options. Turns out maybe the stupidest option was the right call: loot shit on the way out while abandoning their most capable soldiers.

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I think the fears were real - Russia needed to inflict some heavy losses to buy time to get more mobilized into the fight,

But the fact that Russia blew the bridges means they have given up on it, and weren’t willing to waste Russian soldiers trying to hold Kherson or lay a trap.

And given the public remarks on Russian state TV trying to distance Putin from this fiasco, and that weirdly scripted interaction between  the Russian commander and Shoigu, it’s looking like Russia is eating crow and truly backing out.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:58 PM, UTGrad98 said:

US saying diplomacy possible. If you were Ukraine would you take this to end the war?

Russia keeps Crimea and dumbas regions. Immediate withdrawal of all troops

Ukraine keeps everything else, immediately is granted Nato status, is is able to prosecute all war crimes and receives reparations from Russia. 

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Hell no. I think it wouldn’t be awful to have talks aimed at specific things, but it’s not likely to lead to a general end of the war.  It would be huge to get formal Russian recognition that Kherson (under Russian law, it’s Russian) is Ukraine. 
 

The minimum needed for even ceasefire should be status quo ante— withdrawal to the 2014 LOC, agreement not to attack again. Plus Russia dropping any claims on Ukraine’s membership in any international organization. Kick the can down the road on Dontesk, Luhansk, Crimea.  Tear up Minsk II and agree to further talks while UA maintains its claim and make those territories albatrosses to Russia. 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:58 PM, UTGrad98 said:

US saying diplomacy possible. If you were Ukraine would you take this to end the war?

Russia keeps Crimea and dumbas regions. Immediate withdrawal of all troops

Ukraine keeps everything else, immediately is granted Nato status, is is able to prosecute all war crimes and receives reparations from Russia. 

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Lol no.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 3:51 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

That report from earlier this year is the “but you fuck one sheep” punchline in practice for a human rights organization. 
 

Tread lightly if you want to call out the clear victim in a war of imperial aggression. And make damn sure you’re right.  
 

Amnesty failed at both.

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THIS.

Seriously, imagine Amnesty International calling out the jews resisting the nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto for using children as tools of deception to accomplish their goals (which they did, by the way).  WTF?  A people imprisoned in a ghetto, being systematically exterminated, and you want to call out their methods for trying to survive because you want to be seen as "even-handed?"  Fucking nazis.  Exterminating jews.  There is no "even-handed."

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  On 11/11/2022 at 10:01 AM, Schulz2.0 said:

The Russians blew up part of the Antonovsky Bridge.

 

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Ukraine has great PR, but what I’d like to see them start doing is sending itemized bills to the Kremlin for shit the Russians leave destroyed in liberated territories.  And for power plants and stuff they hit in air strikes, too. 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 4:17 PM, 956 Worldwide said:

Ukraine has great PR, but what I’d like to see them start doing is sending itemized bills to the Kremlin for shit the Russians leave destroyed in liberated territories.  And for power plants and stuff they hit in air strikes, too. 

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I would add insult to injury by also billing them for the missiles that sank the Moskva, the truck and explosives that damaged the Kerch bridge, and the drones used in the attack on Sevastopol.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 4:32 PM, The Dog said:

 

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Yeah.....that scene actually makes me nervous and sad.

Remember the juxtaposed scenes in BOB?  Locals in Eindhoven celebrating the arrival of the liberators from the 101st.  Dancing and kissing and all that good stuff.  A couple of days later, booms and glowing on the horizon -- "we're bombing Eindhoven."  Counter-attacks are a bitch.

I am quite concerned that in the coming hours/days, Russian artillery on the other side of the river is going to lay absolute waste to Kherson.  Because that's what Russia does.  If I lived in Kherson, I'd be either prepping my below-ground shelter, or I'd be getting the hell outta dodge.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 4:42 PM, Brisketexan said:

Yeah.....that scene actually makes me nervous and sad.

Remember the juxtaposed scenes in BOB?  Locals in Eindhoven celebrating the arrival of the liberators from the 101st.  Dancing and kissing and all that good stuff.  A couple of days later, booms and glowing on the horizon -- "we're bombing Eindhoven."  Counter-attacks are a bitch.

I am quite concerned that in the coming hours/days, Russian artillery on the other side of the river is going to lay absolute waste to Kherson.  Because that's what Russia does.  If I lived in Kherson, I'd be either prepping my below-ground shelter, or I'd be getting the hell outta dodge.

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valid point but I'm not sure they have the capability in the area. they also appear to be setting up defensive lines closer to Crimea. Russia left a LOT of gear behind and now Crimea is in HIMARS range. 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:58 PM, UTGrad98 said:

US saying diplomacy possible. If you were Ukraine would you take this to end the war?

Russia keeps Crimea and dumbas regions. Immediate withdrawal of all troops

Ukraine keeps everything else, immediately is granted Nato status, is is able to prosecute all war crimes and receives reparations from Russia. 

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Absofuckinglutely not. 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:25 PM, Scheiss Meister said:

I thought about going into history when I first got out of high school, but I just couldn't see any future in it.

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My minor was history, if I took four semesters of a foreign language I would have a B.A.

One of the things that really stuck with me, in a military history class, Dr. Pierce (my professor) had a hypothesis that rifled barrels were the most significant development in warfare. He said it was what ultimately won the American Revolution, and was responsible for the carnage of the Civil War. The accuracy of rifled barrels has single-handedly killed more humans than practically anything else.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 4:58 PM, CHIEF said:

My minor was history, if I took four semesters of a foreign language I would have a B.A.

One of the things that really stuck with me, in a military history class, Dr. Pierce (my professor) had a hypothesis that rifled barrels were the most significant development in warfare. He said it was what ultimately won the American Revolution, and was responsible for the carnage of the Civil War. The accuracy of rifled barrels has single-handedly killed more humans than practically anything else.

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Wasn’t the midi ball developed around the same time?

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  On 11/10/2022 at 9:47 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

How do they get “trapped” on the east side of the river? They occupy all the territory from there east to the Russian border. I thought that was the point of them pulling back to there from west of the river. I figured the river would be their line of defense against Ukrainian forces to the west.

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I feel like half the stories I've read on this mix up east-west and left-right banks. There have been a handful of times where I've pulled up a map trying to figure out things like "they're falling back to the east of the Dnieper to entrench themselves on the left bank." Like maybe there was a weird switchback in the river that made such a statement make sense? But I haven't been able to figure it out. Seems like a typo, but I've seen it so often I really don't know. 

ETA: I've now seen the error of my ways. Should've asked the question myself weeks ago.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 4:58 PM, CHIEF said:

My minor was history, if I took four semesters of a foreign language I would have a B.A.

One of the things that really stuck with me, in a military history class, Dr. Pierce (my professor) had a hypothesis that rifled barrels were the most significant development in warfare. He said it was what ultimately won the American Revolution, and was responsible for the carnage of the Civil War. The accuracy of rifled barrels has single-handedly killed more humans than practically anything else.

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This is a valid point, but I would argue that harnessing chemical reactions to propel projectiles is a more far reaching development.  Not only propelling balls, bullets, or shells from barrels, but propelling shrapnel from mines, shells, and bombs.  Add using explosives to cause pressure differentials to sink ships and submarines, or to bring down bridges and buildings.  Gunpowder was the first step in this line of development, so it gets the credit, but it is not alone.

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  On 11/10/2022 at 10:23 PM, AUS-97HORN said:

if Ukraine really captures 15-20k troops on that side of the river it will royally fuck with Russia's ability to do anything.

 

keep in mind, at the start of the war, they only had 200k actual fighters.  They have lost over 100k as casualties, I realize a lot of these guys are now probably called up cannon fodder, but still if they get 20k new prisoners eliminates Russia's ability to counter attack in that area for probably a year or more.

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I believe the troops in Kherson are actually some of the real military, meaning they're some of the remaining few that are actually NOT mobilized cannon fodder.  

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  On 11/10/2022 at 10:42 PM, 27-25 said:

I think there may be some miscommunication here.  AFAIK when the Ukrainians talk about the right side of the river they describe it as one looks downstream along the river.  For the N-S flowing Dnieper that means right = west.  I suspect someone at some point saw "right" looked on a map and assumed this meant the eastern shore since that's to the right of the western shore.

The orcs on the east side are not trapped.  Yet.

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That makes so much more sense! Thank you! Shit's been driving me crazy

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:20 PM, utee94 said:

I've been working too much this week instead of spending all of my time reading Surly so I might have missed it-- were last week's fears that Russia was leaving Kherson as a trap, set to blow, unfounded?  They just left so quickly that we assumed it was a planned retreat and a dangerous trap, but in reality it was more like a rout?

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Not a rout at all. The Russians said it was "a good will gesture!"

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  On 11/11/2022 at 4:58 PM, CHIEF said:

My minor was history, if I took four semesters of a foreign language I would have a B.A.

One of the things that really stuck with me, in a military history class, Dr. Pierce (my professor) had a hypothesis that rifled barrels were the most significant development in warfare. He said it was what ultimately won the American Revolution, and was responsible for the carnage of the Civil War. The accuracy of rifled barrels has single-handedly killed more humans than practically anything else.

CHIEF

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I'm fairly certain that the miniskirt, invented in 1964, has killed more men.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 5:33 PM, Bevo said:

I'm fairly certain that the miniskirt, invented in 1964, has killed more men.

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Correction: it is known that the vagina, created in the Garden of Eden, is undefeated.

That has brought down more empires than all the steel and gunpowder of the world combined.

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  On 11/11/2022 at 1:57 PM, Fico said:

Now do Austerlitz

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Hope that Kherson is the equivalent of the Battle of Ulm. An encirclement that reduced a significant portion of the Coalition's forces. Napoleon took out Austrian's main force before the Russians could join up and reinforce. Which eventually led to the coup de grace at Austerlitz.

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My undergrad degree at UT was in History, and I still have some of my veteran education benefits left, so if UT or one of the system schools ever rolls out an online History PhD program I can take while working full time, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I already accumulated some of the research material I'd use but decided to get a more useful MBA at grad school instead.

 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 6:44 PM, MillerEP said:

My undergrad degree at UT was in History, and I still have some of my veteran education benefits left, so if UT or one of the system schools ever rolls out an online History PhD program I can take while working full time, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I already accumulated some of the research material I'd use but decided to get a more useful MBA at grad school instead.

 

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Check our Norwich. It is where I want to go back to. Masters in Diplomacy. Would love to collaborate. Development on the Battlefield is my focus. You break it, we fix it, how do we do it together. Been a goal since Afghanistan to do this and finally done paying for my kid's education. 

Their football team sucks. But unlike Aggy, and the Russians, they are real Army. 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 6:55 PM, MillerEP said:

 

If I want to use my veteran benefits it has to be a Texas State school, so UT, aTm, Tech, North Texas, Houston, SHSU, etc.

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Masters or PHD? I have an idea I will toss over. DM me. but check out Norwich. We can petition and use the wreath fund. 

And yeah, why does UT not have an online option? 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 6:58 PM, JesusSweatDuck said:

When does Hungary get tossed out of the EU

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the EU didnt kick Greece out when it was single-handedly dragging down the entire European economy

i dont think they can kick out Hungary.  someone with a special set up skills needs to go visit with Orban and literally beat his ass back into submission

 

 

 

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  On 11/11/2022 at 2:58 PM, UTGrad98 said:

US saying diplomacy possible. If you were Ukraine would you take this to end the war?

Russia keeps Crimea and dumbas regions. Immediate withdrawal of all troops

Ukraine keeps everything else, immediately is granted Nato status, is is able to prosecute all war crimes and receives reparations from Russia. 

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