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[AUS-97HORN 11825]

9 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Do they even have 200k men left who are fit for military service?

hell they probably have 3M plus that could be considered "russian ready" for military service, maybe 300-400k would be considered actually fit to serve. 

The trick is all those guys live in Moscow and St Pete and have been mostly immune to this first roundup. 

Once most of those guys start going, the proverbial shit is gonna hit the fan regarding the common folks.    when only the jackasses from the ghetto or the outer provinces, or the arrested fucks are going to war, its good riddance.

Once your entire apartment block of 17-55 year old neighbors get nabbed and their heads start coming back in boxes 1 week later that tends to really motivate babushkas and moms. 

 

[Sawbonz 27721]

To get 200k into actual fighting how many additional men are needed for logistics etc?

[The Dog 44176]

47 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

To get 200k into actual fighting how many additional men are needed for logistics etc?

There won't be any - they give them guns and say go shoot someone or you will be shot. 

[Gatorubet 30335]

Oh Snap!!  Putin’s latest missile salvo apparently hit the bridge of a Turkish ship in Kherson, setting her on fire.  

In combination with the egg on their face when it turned out a Russia agent was behind the Koran burning in Sweden, maybe Turkey will have a change of heart on Sweden’s NATO application.

[InkaUtexas 26277]

Turkish ship named for a Bosnian city, always declared part of the Orthodox world. 

It won't change anything in Turkey sadly. 

Maybe we need to create the North North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Only countries with Arctic claims can be members. So that is the US, Canada and Scandinavia. 

[Gatorubet 30335]

1 hour ago, AUS-97HORN said:

hell they probably have 3M plus that could be considered "russian ready" for military service, maybe 300-400k would be considered actually fit to serve.  

 

[PTINS 3486]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

I certainly do not disagree with the amount of control he seems to assert over every aspect of Russia and Russian info/media dissemination.   For me the missing piece is ‘what do the Russian people know?’  If they do not yet know that almost 200,000 men are dead or wounded in the grinder -then that is one thing. Once they figure that out, assuming they do not know now, maybe that changes things. 

They are predisposed to except all kinds of shit that a western populace would not take. I still believe that somewhere in there is a kind of social contract between the czar and his people.  Putin was allowed to be Putin as long as there was a level of security in the country and as long as enough people were able to obtain jobs, housing and enough food to get by.    I also join neon Moon’s wondering about shit getting real in a hurry due to sanctions kicking in hard and soon. 

Not only do Russians not care what happens to other countries or people, they appear not to give a shit what happens to other Russians.  Like all people, they care about their family and their friends. Back to the deaths and disabled: if the breadwinners and sons who were supposed to support them are dead - or sitting drunk on the couch with an amputated leg and no job or food -  maybe Putin’s control has limits.  We will see.

Thank you all for your posts, they help crystallize this for me...

The social justice changes in my  ~60ish years is a significant inflection point in our beliefs and behaviours in our 250 year US history. The age of the internet and high technology is a similar societal step change in a much shorter period of time.  The life of the average american changed significantly from before and after WW1,  it changed significantly from before and after WW2, and the dramatic changes in the internet age are ongoing.

For the average Russian, which I'll define as the non-ruling Elite, it is hard for me to comprehend their everyday life.  The concept of the spoils of war have existed since the first dispute. For Russians in Ukraine, it means a toilet, a bathtub or a stove.  Are you kidding me? It's the miners from Chernobyl, "I'm wearing my fucking hat".  It's hard to imagine when it wasn't that way for them, because its always been that way for them.

Y'all rag on Katy any time you get the chance, but drop Katy anywhere in Russia, and other than climate, it would be a Top 10 city in the whole country. 

We see the lifestyle differences as reality, Russians see it as fantasy or entertainment.  

"‘what do the Russian people know?" They know what they are told to know. They stick their heads in the sand. That's who they are, and what they have always done, and it hasn't changed for 100's and 100's of years.  If you've never left Russia, what do you really know?

"They are predisposed to except accept all kinds of shit that a western populace would not take." They act like they don't know any better. Whether they do or not is academic. They are groomed since birth to believe what the state tells them, and it's your patriotic duty to do what are told to do do. Whether or not they do the former, they still do the latter. 

"Not only do Russians not care what happens to other countries or people, they appear not to give a shit what happens to other Russians. Like all people, they care about their family and their friends." 

The caring for family is expected.

The cavalier attitude for any other human life is ... also incomprehensible.  From what I have seen and read of Russian behavior over the past 335 days, I think, "...why prolong it, just "turn 'em into glass."   Okay..., breath..., relax, ... patience grasshopper. 

"Lt. Col. Daniel Kiley: What do you think?

 Maj. Wolenski : Well, sir. I'm regular Army. I don't get into beefs between colonels. But I'll tell you what some of my stir-crazy men Surly Horns thinks. They think we got a great opportunity here. We got a chance to wipe out Germany Russia. Just wipe it clean off the map. Knock everything down, every city, every castle, all the bridges, all the roads. Everything. Don't leave two stones standing together. Just wipe the slate clean. Turn Germany Russia into a prairie, then ship over a few buffalo and let them start from scratch. Now, what do you think of that, colonel?"

Time to fire up the Abram's, the Leopard's, and the other NATO toys and go Ralphie on their asses. 

[Schulz2.0 29031]

 

[GoPokes83 2240]

Maybe it’s been discussed ad nauseam in the last 50 posts and I’ve missed it, but Biden’s sending 30 some M1A1’s to Ukraine. (I’m guessing so Putin won’t just nuke Germany for finally sending the Leopards, but us too when the time comes). Is there anyone in Ukraine that can work on one, let alone operate it? And what about spare parts, is that part of the deal? I don’t think the turbines in the T-80BV’s that Ukraine has used are anything like the Abrams. So are we sending technicians on the down low? What about the uranium armor? We’ve never exported any tanks with that armor, so will we have to build 30 tanks without it, and how many months/years would that take to get them to Ukraine? If it takes a year or more to get them there, will it be too late?

[Schulz2.0 29031]

There are reports that Russia launched ~30 missiles from six Tu-95 that are inbound now.

[Schulz2.0 29031]

25 minutes ago, GoPokes83 said:

Maybe it’s been discussed ad nauseam in the last 50 posts and I’ve missed it, but Biden’s sending 30 some M1A1’s to Ukraine. (I’m guessing so Putin won’t just nuke Germany for finally sending the Leopards, but us too when the time comes). Is there anyone in Ukraine that can work on one, let alone operate it? And what about spare parts, is that part of the deal? I don’t think the turbines in the T-80BV’s that Ukraine has used are anything like the Abrams. So are we sending technicians on the down low? What about the uranium armor? We’ve never exported any tanks with that armor, so will we have to build 30 tanks without it, and how many months/years would that take to get them to Ukraine? If it takes a year or more to get them there, will it be too late?

We sent them to stop the Germans from holding up delivering Leopards. The Leopards are what are useful to the Ukrainians as of now. By all accounts, the Abrams won't be delivered to Ukraine for around a year. Ukrainians will have to be trained. The logistics centers will have to set up (likely in Poland).

[Schulz2.0 29031]

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

Interested / concerned to see how F16s get used there.  Seems like a lot of Russian SAMs sitting around waiting for this.  

[956 Worldwide 34871]

Fucking LULZ.

 

[956 Worldwide 34871]

14 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Interested / concerned to see how F16s get used there.  Seems like a lot of Russian SAMs sitting around waiting for this.  

Fascinated as well, especially because the U.S. and NATO way of air war is really different from the Russian.  The Russians from the beginning have been unable to conduct strike operations with fighter escorts, dedicated SEAD, and enough airborne intell platforms and their “solution” has been “HaHa, Su-25 fly low.”
 

One thing to remember is that we’ve been delivering lots of HARMS to the Ukrainians already. Occasionally noted—but without details— is the amount of sharing of intelligence and the number of ELINT and SIGINT flights that are taking place around the Black Sea.  It’s hard to see the F-16 making a huge impact on the battlefield without some serious integration and target sharing….and so another step closer to NATO being at war with Russia in every way except trigger pulling. 

[InkaUtexas 26277]

18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Fucking LULZ.

 

But wait, there is more... This cannot be real. But I hope so!

Did some checking and not real. Dammit.... I wanted to see what a modern VW with a Javelin team could do to these relics. 

 

Edited January 26, 2023 by InkaUtexas

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

7 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

But wait, there is more... This cannot be real. But I hope so! 

 

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the 21st century’s answer to the Poles fighting WWII on horseback. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21263]

That shit right there is funny.  We still have any Shermans in mothballs ready to be deployed? 

Edited January 26, 2023 by DigglerontheHoof

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[Parliament 14357]

48 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Fucking LULZ.

 

Riiiiight

[statsman 5489]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

But wait, there is more... This cannot be real. But I hope so! 

 

I doubt it. My guess? For all its bluster about fears of NATO aggression, Russia knows NATO is not a threat. They’re Sending all the functioning stuff to Ukraine and building (forgive me) “Potemkin Village” defenses, using the obsolete ordnance, around the rest of their borders. 

Edited January 26, 2023 by statsman

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4979]

1 hour ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

El

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el.  
 

the 21st century’s answer to the Poles fighting WWII on horseback. 

1944 was almost 80 years ago. It's more like showing up to WWII with a Springfield Model 1861.

[Bevo 13612]

So , the US is sending 31 M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. I guess we could keep them in Kyiv as a Belarus deterrent and use the Leopards in active combat and offensive operations.

[Dahobbs 17748]

6 hours ago, GoPokes83 said:

Maybe it’s been discussed ad nauseam in the last 50 posts and I’ve missed it, but Biden’s sending 30 some M1A1’s to Ukraine. (I’m guessing so Putin won’t just nuke Germany for finally sending the Leopards, but us too when the time comes). Is there anyone in Ukraine that can work on one, let alone operate it? And what about spare parts, is that part of the deal? I don’t think the turbines in the T-80BV’s that Ukraine has used are anything like the Abrams. So are we sending technicians on the down low? What about the uranium armor? We’ve never exported any tanks with that armor, so will we have to build 30 tanks without it, and how many months/years would that take to get them to Ukraine? If it takes a year or more to get them there, will it be too late?

If we are sending older M1A1s, they may not have had the DU armor in the first place. We also have export versions of M1A2 used in places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia that doesn't have DU armor. My bet is these tanks end up coming from a (covert) third party transfer from one of these countries.  Or on a long enough time frame we just build them fresh. 

[Chad Fuck 17831]

But wait, there is more... This cannot be real. But I hope so!
Did some checking and not real. Dammit.... I wanted to see what a modern VW with a Javelin team could do to these relics. 
 

So if the T-34 thing isn’t real, what is it? Those are definitely T-34s and they’re definitely in Laotian markings. Are they for some sort of historical parade unit use?

[956 Worldwide 34871]

6 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

So if the T-34 thing isn’t real, what is it? Those are definitely T-34s and they’re definitely in Laotian markings. Are they for some sort of historical parade unit use?

They sent them to Russia in 2019 to make movies and for historical parades and shit. 

[atomheartbevo 89903]

6 hours ago, GoPokes83 said:

Maybe it’s been discussed ad nauseam in the last 50 posts and I’ve missed it, but Biden’s sending 30 some M1A1’s to Ukraine. (I’m guessing so Putin won’t just nuke Germany for finally sending the Leopards, but us too when the time comes). Is there anyone in Ukraine that can work on one, let alone operate it? And what about spare parts, is that part of the deal? I don’t think the turbines in the T-80BV’s that Ukraine has used are anything like the Abrams. So are we sending technicians on the down low? What about the uranium armor? We’ve never exported any tanks with that armor, so will we have to build 30 tanks without it, and how many months/years would that take to get them to Ukraine? If it takes a year or more to get them there, will it be too late?

6 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

We sent them to stop the Germans from holding up delivering Leopards. The Leopards are what are useful to the Ukrainians as of now. By all accounts, the Abrams won't be delivered to Ukraine for around a year. Ukrainians will have to be trained. The logistics centers will have to set up (likely in Poland).

Poland will be setting up some depots for Abrams (and have actually been doing so, along with training areas), so they will probably be servicing any Ukrainian Abrams in the future.   Would not surprise me if Poland gets something a lot better than the stuff we exported to Saudi Arabia/Egypt/Iraq (maybe even DU), and I suspect we are shipping Abrams that have been in storage for years/decades.  We take care of our stored stuff better than the Russians, and for us, it's probably a matter of checking/replacing rubber (such as with treads), and checking fuel lines and anything else that could degrade over time, but it does take time.  Russians on the other hand will let their entire vehicles just rust down to nothing.

I would not be surprised if what happens is that we train some Ukrainains (and may already be doing so) and we get some Abrams into Ukraine, but it's more symbolic, and in the long run, they either stay there as a symbol (with Poland maintaining them), or are replaced by Leopards or Challengers.  Or replaced by the future Abrams that will be diesel-powered.

One of the problems a lot of people are overlooking is that the Abrams are extremely heavy, and Ukraine would have to be very careful with bridges/etc. and the Abrams, so I don't see them being used in any serious numbers.

On a side note, there's also footage floating around of supposedly Bradleys and Abrams on trains in Poland, and it's actually here in the US (the road signs gave it away).

Edited January 26, 2023 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 89903]

2 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

That shit right there is funny.  We still have any Shermans in mothballs ready to be deployed? 

Next time I have to go up to northern Arkansas, I'll make a note of the various Shermans, etc., I see in front of VFWs and in parks in various little Texas and Oklahoma towns between Austin and there.  Unfortunately I doubt any of them have their engines or transmissions, and their guns are spiked/welded, and missing the parts that make the shells go *BOOM*, but I bet in every one of those towns there's a guy who could make them work.

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

1944 was almost 80 years ago. It's more like showing up to WWII with a Springfield Model 1861.

Armybrat is triggered.

[atomheartbevo 89903]

3 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Interested / concerned to see how F16s get used there.  Seems like a lot of Russian SAMs sitting around waiting for this.  

Lockheed delivered a SEAD version of the F-16s to the USAF, and they were fully integrated with the HARMs/Shrike anti-air defense missiles (the Ukrainians managed to jerry-rig the HARMS with their Mig-29s).  I assume those are probably in storage since the F-35s took over that role.

We have a large body of experience dealing with Soviet/Russian SAMS over the last 40s years, from the Gulf War I/II to the Israelis to the Pakistanis to Kosovo, etc., and the big advantage, putting aside SEAD versions, is that they are cheaper and easier to repair/maintain for the West than the Soviet/Russian aircraft that Ukraine currently has.

And I'd assume that we are probably dumping plenty of SEAD weapons into Ukraine, because every Russian air defense battery that is destroyed won't be replaced by Russian anytime soon (thanks to sanctions), while we have the ability to fire up/ramp up SEAD weapon production.

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[The Dog 44176]

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11822]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

One of the problems a lot of people are overlooking is that the Abrams are extremely heavy, and Ukraine would have to be very careful with bridges/etc. and the Abrams, so I don't see them being used in any serious numbers.

 

They are heavy, but not much more than a Leopard 2.  Both of those are at least 15 to 20 tons heavier than a T72.

[KYHorn 17246]

43 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

NYT article on the graveyard:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/world/europe/wagner-group-cemetery-russia-ukraine.html?smid=url-share 

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By Christiaan Triebert and Dmitriy Khavin

Published Jan. 24, 2023Updated Jan. 26, 2023, 9:52 a.m. ET

A cemetery used by the notorious Russian mercenary group Wagner has grown rapidly in size over the past several months, according to interviews and an analysis by The New York Times of satellite imagery and video footage. The expanded burial ground is rare visual evidence that shows the toll the invasion of Ukraine is taking on Wagner, especially its rank-and-file soldiers.

The expansion coincides with a bloody offensive by Russian soldiers and mercenaries to gain ground in eastern Ukraine. The U.S. government says that Wagner’s battlefield casualties are in the thousands and that 90 percent of them are inmates who were recruited to fight in exchange for being released from prison, assuming they survived.

A satellite image captured on Jan. 24 shows about 170 burial plots in an area of the cemetery known to hold Wagner fighters, a number that has increased to nearly seven times that seen on satellite imagery just two months ago.

 

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A dramatic expansion of Wagner burial plots in the village of Bakinskaya occurred over the past two months.Credit...Maxar Technologies

 

 

Wagner’s cemetery is a recent addition to its growing infrastructure inside Russia, where it seeks to position itself as a superior fighting force over the Russian military. The graves’ existence, near the group’s primary training facility in the southwestern village of Molkin, was first made public in December by Vitaly Wotanovsky, an activist and a former Russian Air Force officer.

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Mr. Wotanovsky, 51, told The Times that he visits graveyards to document cases of Russians who have been killed while fighting in Ukraine. The cemetery’s location might have remained unknown had local residents not tipped him off that the area was being used to bury the unclaimed bodies of Wagner fighters. Over the course of several visits, he photographed a growing number of grave markers and uploaded them to his Telegram channel, Titushki in Krasnodar.

“Our goal is to show people that war results in deaths, and it’s not somewhere far away or on TV, but it’s here next to us,” Mr. Wotanovsky said.

There may be even more dead than what is easily visible. He noted that locals had told him many fighters had most likely been cremated.

 

Edited January 26, 2023 by KYHorn

[atomheartbevo 89903]

Damn, Wagner is probably saving the Russian government a lot of money on incarcerating prisoners.

[27-25 2056]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

Queue the Benny Hill music.

[The Dog 44176]

This is the second set of calls he's posted where the Russian complains about the locals ratting out their location to the Ukrainian military. This seems to be happening a lot.

[Chad Fuck 17831]

So it seems a lot of these cruise missile attacks are coming from the Black Sea, either from ships or standoff from aircraft.  If the Ukes get F-16s, what's the chance they can use them to go after the missile carrying ships/planes?  Is there an F-16 variant that's set up for that?  I know the F-15/F-22 are our standard air superiority fighters.  But certainly the F-16 has been used in this role by other nations with less variety of equipment?  Random musings.

[Captainant 27889]

5 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

So it seems a lot of these cruise missile attacks are coming from the Black Sea, either from ships or standoff from aircraft.  If the Ukes get F-16s, what's the chance they can use them to go after the missile carrying ships/planes?  Is there an F-16 variant that's set up for that?  I know the F-15/F-22 are our standard air superiority fighters.  But certainly the F-16 has been used in this role by other nations with less variety of equipment?  Random musings.

http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Submarines-Launching-Missiles-Ukraine.html

I'd bet most of their sea lauched missiles are from their Kilo class attack subs, and ivan sent a bunch of them into the Black Sea before the strait became closed to their military vessels

Edited January 26, 2023 by Captainant

[MissingInAction 25253]

On 1/24/2023 at 7:14 PM, cactusflinthead said:

 

This needs to be spammed all over russia.. maybe the few soldiers with phones will see it and just fucking give up.

[956 Worldwide 34871]

11 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

So it seems a lot of these cruise missile attacks are coming from the Black Sea, either from ships or standoff from aircraft.  If the Ukes get F-16s, what's the chance they can use them to go after the missile carrying ships/planes?  Is there an F-16 variant that's set up for that?  I know the F-15/F-22 are our standard air superiority fighters.  But certainly the F-16 has been used in this role by other nations with less variety of equipment?  Random musings.

The F-16 can be made Harpoon capable. Ships usually have some SAM capability but we’ve seen the RU Navy is not great at.  As far as the air-launched missiles, my best understanding is that they are usually operating over the Russian landmass in their strategic aviation assets at this point. So that would involve attacking them over the Russian airspace. It’s not really suitable as an anti-submarine platform. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19452]

17 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

So it seems a lot of these cruise missile attacks are coming from the Black Sea, either from ships or standoff from aircraft.  If the Ukes get F-16s, what's the chance they can use them to go after the missile carrying ships/planes?  Is there an F-16 variant that's set up for that?  I know the F-15/F-22 are our standard air superiority fighters.  But certainly the F-16 has been used in this role by other nations with less variety of equipment?  Random musings.

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ROC Air Force’s upgraded F-16V jet debuts in this year’s Han Kuang wargames. This pic is rare as it shows the jet carrying the AGM-84 Harpoon anti-ship missile – a reminder of Taiwanese Vipers’ maritime strike role besides air defense.

Taiwan's F16s carry Harpoons. 

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US Navy P-8s can now strike submarines from 30,000ft

22 November 2022

 

The US Navy’s (USN’s) Boeing P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft have a new weapon in their arsenal – one that can deliver submarine-hunting torpedoes from high above the ocean’s surface.

Boeing in August won a full-rate production contract for the High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability (HAAWC) – a kit that turns a standard Raytheon Technologies Mk-54 torpedo into a precision-guided munition that can be launched from high altitude.

Source: Raytheon Technologies

The US Navy’s Mk-54 torpedo previously had to be dropped from altitudes as low as 100ft and in close proximity to the target submarine

The USN declared initial operating capacity (IOC) for the HAAWC programme on 22 November, signifying the service has enough weapons and training on the system for it to be at least minimally ready for operational deployment.

“The [IOC] milestone marks the readiness of HAAWC for fleet introduction for the navy and its international partners,” says Boeing programme manager Dewayne Donley. “We’re excited to deliver greater flexibility and capability by way of higher-altitude launches from longer distances than previously possible.”

 

Boeing Weapons vice-president Bob Ciesla calls the capability “a new high ground in anti-submarine warfare”. 

The P-8 serves multiple roles in the USN, including maritime patrol, search and rescue and anti-submarine warfare. To engage an undersea vessel with the standard Mk-54 torpedo, a P-8 must descend to no higher than 100ft above the sea, and drop the weapon in close proximity to an enemy vessel.

The HAAWC modifies the Mk-54 with a set of folding wings and guidance system, essentially transforming the torpedo into a precision-guided missile. A HAAWC-modified torpedo can launch from the P-8’s cruising altitude and glide to a designated targeting area using GPS.

Source: Boeing

The High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability modifies the Mk-54 torpedo, turning it into a precision-guided standoff weapon

Once near its target, the weapon jettisons its wings and uses a parachute to slow before entering the water. When underwater and in proximity to a submarine, the Mk-54’s onboard guidance system can autonomously guide the torpedo to its target.

“The HAAWC system provides flexibility by allowing the navy to carry out anti-submarine operations throughout the full flight envelope of the P-8A,” says Donley.

 

Boeing notes the HAAWC enables the Poseidon “to deploy Mk-54 torpedoes from near or below its cruising altitude”, which is around 30,000ft. The P-8 is based on a Boeing 737 commercial airframe. 

Developing and fielding so-called “stand-off weapons” such as the HAAWC is now a major priority for the Pentagon. Military planners expect the ability to launch precision guided weapons, while keeping friendly aircraft out of range of enemy fire, will be critical to victory in any conflict against the People’s Republic of China.

Other such weapons include Lockheed Martin’s AGM-158 JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile) and AGM-158C LRASM (Long Range Anti-Ship Missile).

Recent war games conducted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies indicate that LRASM in particular will be a key capability if the USA hopes to defend Taiwan against an invasion from mainland China.

 

Executives with Raytheon recently urged Western leaders to consider increasing their stockpiles of modern precision weapons, citing consumption rates in the ongoing Russo-Ukraine war that outpace production capacity.

“Replenishment doesn’t happen overnight,” warned Raytheon Missiles & Defense chief executive Wes Kremer in July at the Farnborough air show.

[Chad Fuck 17831]

US Navy P-8s can now strike submarines from 30,000ft

22 November 2022
 
The US Navy’s (USN’s) Boeing P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft have a new weapon in their arsenal – one that can deliver submarine-hunting torpedoes from high above the ocean’s surface.
Boeing in August won a full-rate production contract for the High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability (HAAWC) – a kit that turns a standard Raytheon Technologies Mk-54 torpedo into a precision-guided munition that can be launched from high altitude.

Source: Raytheon Technologies
The US Navy’s Mk-54 torpedo previously had to be dropped from altitudes as low as 100ft and in close proximity to the target submarine
The USN declared initial operating capacity (IOC) for the HAAWC programme on 22 November, signifying the service has enough weapons and training on the system for it to be at least minimally ready for operational deployment.
“The [iOC] milestone marks the readiness of HAAWC for fleet introduction for the navy and its international partners,” says Boeing programme manager Dewayne Donley. “We’re excited to deliver greater flexibility and capability by way of higher-altitude launches from longer distances than previously possible.”
  Boeing Weapons vice-president Bob Ciesla calls the capability “a new high ground in anti-submarine warfare”. 
The P-8 serves multiple roles in the USN, including maritime patrol, search and rescue and anti-submarine warfare. To engage an undersea vessel with the standard Mk-54 torpedo, a P-8 must descend to no higher than 100ft above the sea, and drop the weapon in close proximity to an enemy vessel.
The HAAWC modifies the Mk-54 with a set of folding wings and guidance system, essentially transforming the torpedo into a precision-guided missile. A HAAWC-modified torpedo can launch from the P-8’s cruising altitude and glide to a designated targeting area using GPS.

Source: Boeing
The High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability modifies the Mk-54 torpedo, turning it into a precision-guided standoff weapon
Once near its target, the weapon jettisons its wings and uses a parachute to slow before entering the water. When underwater and in proximity to a submarine, the Mk-54’s onboard guidance system can autonomously guide the torpedo to its target.
“The HAAWC system provides flexibility by allowing the navy to carry out anti-submarine operations throughout the full flight envelope of the P-8A,” says Donley.
  Boeing notes the HAAWC enables the Poseidon “to deploy Mk-54 torpedoes from near or below its cruising altitude”, which is around 30,000ft. The P-8 is based on a Boeing 737 commercial airframe. 
Developing and fielding so-called “stand-off weapons” such as the HAAWC is now a major priority for the Pentagon. Military planners expect the ability to launch precision guided weapons, while keeping friendly aircraft out of range of enemy fire, will be critical to victory in any conflict against the People’s Republic of China.
Other such weapons include Lockheed Martin’s AGM-158 JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile) and AGM-158C LRASM (Long Range Anti-Ship Missile).
Recent war games conducted by the Center for Strategic and International Studies indicate that LRASM in particular will be a key capability if the USA hopes to defend Taiwan against an invasion from mainland China.
  Executives with Raytheon recently urged Western leaders to consider increasing their stockpiles of modern precision weapons, citing consumption rates in the ongoing Russo-Ukraine war that outpace production capacity.
“Replenishment doesn’t happen overnight,” warned Raytheon Missiles & Defense chief executive Wes Kremer in July at the Farnborough air show.

Man that would be something to send the Ukes sub hunting.

At this point, I’m all for giving them anything they ask for short of nukes. If they’re putting all the skin in the game, then we should give them all we can.

[ABSR 5327]

3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man that would be something to send the Ukes sub hunting.

At this point, I’m all for giving them anything they ask for short of nukes. If they’re putting all the skin in the game, then we should give them all we can.

To drop a torpedo at a sub you need to have a good idea of where it is located.  Ukraine has no real capability to do that.  Additionally, you need to know WHO's submarine it is as well.  They all aren't Russian.

[Pescado_Rojo 19452]

I doubt we have any spare P8s to give them, but there's probably a bunch of recently decommissioned P3s in the boneyard, or even in service with reserve units. We could send @Leeroy Jenkins over to train them on it and feed us insider info. I for one would pay $9.95 for that kind of info. 

[Chad Fuck 17831]

3 minutes ago, ABSR said:

To drop a torpedo at a sub you need to have a good idea of where it is located.  Ukraine has no real capability to do that.  Additionally, you need to know WHO's submarine it is as well.  They all aren't Russian.

I understand this.  I also understand that we have a lot of eyes on the Black Sea right now.  And just maybe Ukraine is getting some information from us.  It's just daydreaming anyhow. 

[Chad Fuck 17831]

4 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I doubt we have any spare P8s to give them, but there's probably a bunch of recently decommissioned P3s in the boneyard, or even in service with reserve units. We could send @Leeroy Jenkins over to train them on it and feed us insider info. I for one would pay $9.95 for that kind of info. 

Funny that you mention this.  According to the AMARG inventory, there are 175 in the boneyard.  That's a lot.  

[JesusSweatDuck 17814]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I doubt we have any spare P8s to give them, but there's probably a bunch of recently decommissioned P3s in the boneyard, or even in service with reserve units. We could send @Leeroy Jenkins over to train them on it and feed us insider info. I for one would pay $9.95 for that kind of info. 

but would our military strategy change to match this?