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[InkaUtexas 25911]

51 minutes ago, 686 said:

Drone grenade on Russians unloading out of an APC. The clusterfuck at the back of the APC pre-grenade is kinda interesting. Who’s staying? Who’s going? Who’s shot? I’m not shouting, you’re shouting! Boom!
 

Clusterfuck. 

Love the turret aiming backwards at them. 

[956 Worldwide 34705]

Important to remember the difference between nations and civilians that had been brutalized and occupied by the Nazis for years versus Germans who had mostly lived well (outside most large cities, German towns and villages were almost untouched). The Dutch, for instance, had a serious famine in winter 1944 and 1945 in a big part of the country and many were literally starving upon liberation. The French had lived through occupation and chronic looting, shortages, hunger, and forced labor.  Even where the Germans weren’t killing, they were pillaging and making sure that the Reich stayed as comfortable as possible off the wealth and labor of their occupied zones. And of course, the Germans wanted very badly to get on good terms with the Western Allies because they understood what was coming from the East. 
 

When you read memoirs of Soviet (and to a lesser extent, British/American) soldiers, you note how astonished they were to find prosperous, comfortable, civilized  farms and homes set in little fairy-tale forests and villages. The average German farmer had wealth and comforts beyond what any Soviet soldier could fathom, right up till the end of the war. Americans were more likely to succumb to the extensive charms of liberated Germany while the Soviets were whipped into a fury upon seeing first-hand that this wealthy and happy nation living off the fat of the land came to benighted Ukraine and Belarus and Russia to rob and steal from people far poorer. 
 

The Dutch, French, Belgians, etc. weren’t “themselves” as a nation at all and then you add in the tension in every war like this where the liberators feel some anger at the conquered for allowing themselves to fall while the liberated chafe at the idea that they’re supposed to feel gratitude and happiness after years of brutality and it gets toxic, the straightforward “victor/loser”’ dynamic is easier to grapple with especially when the loss came quickly and the victors are well-behaved. 

[Bevo 13576]

A good percentage of my relatives were gassed or executed in concentration camps, so we probably have a different view of the Germans. A few, mainly children without their parents, were lucky enough to escape to the US and after having to raise themselves, learn a new language and rise from poverty and prejudice were able to start a new life. Now we rule this motherfucker.

[Bevo 13576]

Other than that, the play was just alright. The food was horrible, the drinks were overpriced and at intermission they did an interview with Roger Waters.

[SL Xpress 7513]

I still say as historic cultures the Austrians, Germans and Swiss are self conceited arrogant assholes who are convinced their farts don’t stink. It has less to do with the Holocaust, Dutch famines, and tensions between liberators versus conquerors and more with something deeply embedded. Not necessarily at a genetic level, but for sure on a powerful sociological one. 

I’ll put it this way. Calling a German/Austrian/Swiss OCD is a bit like calling an Irishman an alcoholic. 

Edit: Oh, and I should emphasize these are generalizations. It should be assumed I’m aware there are very distinct cultural differences even within those countries. Not everyone is the same. I still stand by the characterization as a whole. 

And while the Germans’ Final Solution was on a different scale, the number of cultures that have done bad things to Jews around the world is a very long list. They just didn’t load them all into trains and straight up murder 6 million of them.

But since this thread is about the Ukraine War, I’ll point out Russia is famous for its historical pogroms, even while Jews have always made up an important part of its intelligentsia. Russian Jews have been a critical part of the success of Israel, too.

Same with virtually all of Europe, really. It’s pretty easy for me to argue that Europe’s world hegemony and the dominance of Judeo-Christian culture doesn’t happen without the Judeo part. 

Edited March 2, 2023 by SL Xpress

[SL Xpress 7513]

Apparently a new Russian disinformation campaign is starting, this time featuring the "Russian Volunteer Corps"

I can't even begin to take this seriously. We'll see how much mileage they get out of this. 

It's also never clear to me how much is for domestic and how much is for a foreign audience. I could see this playing well with the domestic audience. 

 

[Schulz2.0 28951]

Winnick is of Ukrainian descent. The video has her speaking with Zelenskyy.

Since we've been talking a lot about Bakhmut, I feel it's important to point out that it is the hometown of Ukrainian Olympian high jumper Yuliia Levchenko.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Schulz2.0

[Schulz2.0 28951]

Poland is purchasing 1000 domestically produced IFVs.

 

[statsman 5457]

5 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Important to remember the difference between nations and civilians that had been brutalized and occupied by the Nazis for years versus Germans who had mostly lived well (outside most large cities, German towns and villages were almost untouched). The Dutch, for instance, had a serious famine in winter 1944 and 1945 in a big part of the country and many were literally starving upon liberation. The French had lived through occupation and chronic looting, shortages, hunger, and forced labor.  Even where the Germans weren’t killing, they were pillaging and making sure that the Reich stayed as comfortable as possible off the wealth and labor of their occupied zones. And of course, the Germans wanted very badly to get on good terms with the Western Allies because they understood what was coming from the East. 
 

When you read memoirs of Soviet (and to a lesser extent, British/American) soldiers, you note how astonished they were to find prosperous, comfortable, civilized  farms and homes set in little fairy-tale forests and villages. The average German farmer had wealth and comforts beyond what any Soviet soldier could fathom, right up till the end of the war. Americans were more likely to succumb to the extensive charms of liberated Germany while the Soviets were whipped into a fury upon seeing first-hand that this wealthy and happy nation living off the fat of the land came to benighted Ukraine and Belarus and Russia to rob and steal from people far poorer. 
 

The Dutch, French, Belgians, etc. weren’t “themselves” as a nation at all and then you add in the tension in every war like this where the liberators feel some anger at the conquered for allowing themselves to fall while the liberated chafe at the idea that they’re supposed to feel gratitude and happiness after years of brutality and it gets toxic, the straightforward “victor/loser”’ dynamic is easier to grapple with especially when the loss came quickly and the victors are well-behaved. 

That’s a great point. I get these emails from Quora answering WWII questions. Whenever there’s a Holocaust question, some German apologist always chimes in that the Allie’s forced the Germans to starve the Jews, through Allie’s bombing. I have no idea how rooted that sentiment is in Germany, but I get that people don’t want to think their grandparents were monsters. (I always reply that there is no law of science or nature that required the Germans to put their Jewish citizens in death camps, and they could have responded to privations caused by bombing by just letting them go free. They never have a response to that and keep repeating their initial point). 

[Schulz2.0 28951]

1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

Apparently a new Russian disinformation campaign is starting, this time featuring the "Russian Volunteer Corps"

I can't even begin to take this seriously. We'll see how much mileage they get out of this. 

It's also never clear to me how much is for domestic and how much is for a foreign audience. I could see this playing well with the domestic audience. 

 

Appears very false flag operation-y.

 

[Schulz2.0 28951]

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

1 minute ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Don't worry, it'll buff out

[Parliament 14257]

8 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

we are fat, we talk too loud, and we think we are the greatest got-damn country in the world.

And recent observation suggests our kickass military tech is pretty good at killing Russians.  So we got that going for us.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

Apparently it may not be a false flag op, just a neo-nazi affiliated with the Russian Imperialist Movement. Not connected to Ukraine.

 

[KYHorn 17044]

Additional evidence against a false flag. Interesting...

For convenience, the last tweet from the above Schulz thread summarizes it. Hard to see how this benefits Ukraine, as it only bolsters Putin's argument about Nazis. 

 

Edited March 2, 2023 by KYHorn

[Schulz2.0 28951]

 

[956 Worldwide 34705]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

That’s a great point. I get these emails from Quora answering WWII questions. Whenever there’s a Holocaust question, some German apologist always chimes in that the Allie’s forced the Germans to starve the Jews, through Allie’s bombing. I have no idea how rooted that sentiment is in Germany, but I get that people don’t want to think their grandparents were monsters. (I always reply that there is no law of science or nature that required the Germans to put their Jewish citizens in death camps, and they could have responded to privations caused by bombing by just letting them go free. They never have a response to that and keep repeating their initial point). 

That’s just straight Holocaust denialism, there’s ample evidence that the Germans carefully counted calories at work camps to basically get maximum labor as healthy Jews starved to death. And the “death camps” (for Holocaust historians it’s important to distinguish between concentration/work and death camps) didn’t starve anyone. They gassed Jews and others basically as soon as they got off the train at Belzec, Treblinka, and Sobibor). They had combination work camps and death camps at Auschwitz and Majdanek. These facilities were built because mass shootings in the east were logistically tough and caused psychological issues. 
 

The Nazis put these camps on the territory of the General Government so good Germans wouldn’t have to see them. 

Long story short, blaming the death of Jews on starvation caused by Allied bombing isn’t just morally gross, it’s historically wrong and a typical Holocaust denial tactic. 

Edited March 2, 2023 by 956 Worldwide

[locodos 5387]

4 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

I still say as historic cultures the Austrians, Germans and Swiss are self conceited arrogant assholes who are convinced their farts don’t stink. It has less to do with the Holocaust, Dutch famines, and tensions between liberators versus conquerors and more with something deeply embedded. Not necessarily at a genetic level, but for sure on a powerful sociological one. 

I’ll put it this way. Calling a German/Austrian/Swiss OCD is a bit like calling an Irishman an alcoholic. 

Edit: Oh, and I should emphasize these are generalizations. It should be assumed I’m aware there are very distinct cultural differences even within those countries. Not everyone is the same. I still stand by the characterization as a whole. 

And while the Germans’ Final Solution was on a different scale, the number of cultures that have done bad things to Jews around the world is a very long list. They just didn’t load them all into trains and straight up murder 6 million of them.

But since this thread is about the Ukraine War, I’ll point out Russia is famous for its historical pogroms, even while Jews have always made up an important part of its intelligentsia. Russian Jews have been a critical part of the success of Israel, too.

Same with virtually all of Europe, really. It’s pretty easy for me to argue that Europe’s world hegemony and the dominance of Judeo-Christian culture doesn’t happen without the Judeo part. 

The Germans didn't put french jews on trains east.  The french people did.  All the Germans had to do was ask.

 

[KYHorn 17044]

 

 

 

[KYHorn 17044]

Full video. Nice of the Belarusians to park the one plane worth hundreds of millions of dollars as the outermost craft.

 

Edited March 2, 2023 by KYHorn

[956 Worldwide 34705]

9 minutes ago, locodos said:

The Germans didn't put french jews on trains east.  The french people did.  All the Germans had to do was ask.

 

Last Holocaust post then back to Ukraine/

Not quite. The Vichy government deported Jews through most of 1942 but many of the tens of thousands were deported in 1943 and 1944 after the full occupation of France by Nazis and Italians. Germans absolutely got hands on at that point when it came to roundups and deportations. 
 

Also worth nothing that 75 percent of France’s Jews survived the Holocaust, which is astonishingly high for all of Nazi-dominated Europe. Most of them managed to hide in the Free Zone among friends and neighbors. Vichy failed miserably at delivering its “quotas.” 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

19 minutes ago, locodos said:

The Germans didn't put french jews on trains east.  The french people did.  All the Germans had to do was ask.

 

[Schulz2.0 28951]

Moldova also passed a declaration condemning Russia for the war in Ukraine, demanding Russian troops withdraw, and supporting an international tribunal to prosecute war crimes.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

25 minutes ago, locodos said:

The Germans didn't put french jews on trains east.  The french people did.  All the Germans had to do was ask.

 

Honestly, this irks me and I want to comment on it more, but it is a Ukraine thread so I'll keep it brief.  The French Resistance was a real thing.  The Vichy Government was hated by the French people.  Thousands of Frenchmen died defying Nazi attempts against civilians in France.  Thousands recognized as "Righteous Among the Nations" for saving Jewish people.  The result was a way way better survival rate for Jews in France than any of the surrounding countries (e.g., the low countries).

 

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/resistance-jewish-organizations-in-france-1940-1944

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220127-how-three-quarters-of-french-jews-survived-the-holocaust-despite-the-vichy-regime

 

[locodos 5387]

18 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Last Holocaust post then back to Ukraine/

Not quite. The Vichy government deported Jews through most of 1942 but many of the tens of thousands were deported in 1943 and 1944 after the full occupation of France by Nazis and Italians. Germans absolutely got hands on at that point when it came to roundups and deportations. 
 

Also worth nothing that 75 percent of France’s Jews survived the Holocaust, which is astonishingly high for all of Nazi-dominated Europe. Most of them managed to hide in the Free Zone among friends and neighbors. Vichy failed miserably at delivering its “quotas.” 

Chapter 4... 14:30ish   this guy also taught at the Sorbonne and lived in France half the time.  RIP

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

19 minutes ago, locodos said:

Chapter 4... 14:30ish   this guy also taught at the Sorbonne and lived in France half the time.  RIP

If your point is that the Vichy government existed, yeah.  They sucked.  They were tried.  They were put up against a wall.

[BamaATL 16593]

Interesting thread about the rail repair on the Kerch Bridge.  Be an absolute shame if they got another shit sandwich here in the next little bit, but for now it would appear rail capacity is limited if not down.  

 

[Armybrat 40833]

[atomheartbevo 89656]

 

[SL Xpress 7513]

1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

 

I want to note that the Kalinouski Regiment is the one made up entirely of Belarussians fighting for Ukraine. I can't vouch for the 100% part, but that's what they claim. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Trey3216 15346]

12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

 

[SimonBolivar 10958]

8 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Goosebumps cover art was fire and 100% how I decided what I wanted to read next during AR reading.

Edited March 2, 2023 by SimonBolivar

[The Dog 44023]

oof:

 

[686 3448]

Clusterfuck. 
Love the turret aiming backwards at them. 

The best part for me is that after the APC doors open, the drone operator waits a few seconds longer than I was expecting to drop the grande. It’s like he was fully expecting the clusterfuck and was waiting for it to fully metastasize before fraging them. A true artist.

[Gatorubet 30221]

3 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Poland is purchasing 1000 domestically produced IFVs.

Bushmaster 30mm chain cannon and Rafael Spike anti-tank missiles instead of TOW.    Bad-ass home grown Bradleys.   If they do acquire 1,000 of them, that and the eventual Abrams order deliveries should be enough to visit Moscow if need be.     

And oh yeah……replacing older Soviet kit with domestic kit.  A loss of future BMP sales to Poland forever - and a new competitor to steal BMP sales from India and Africa.   Chef’s kiss.   

[Gatorubet 30221]

16 minutes ago, The Dog said:

oof:

 

Over 100 tanks and BMPs and only three trucks?   That sounds like a stat that does not speak well of Russian logistics.

[The Dog 44023]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

Over 100 tanks and BMPs and only three trucks?   That sounds like a stat that does not speak well of Russian logistics.

Telenko mentioned early in the conflict that the Russians had a tactical truck problem. 

[Gatorubet 30221]

39 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

I’d rep you twice if I could.  Legit spit coffee.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

8 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Over 100 tanks and BMPs and only three trucks?   That sounds like a stat that does not speak well of Russian logistics.

Don't need refueling trucks if you only drive a mile before hitting a mine.

[Gatorubet 30221]

11 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Telenko mentioned early in the conflict that the Russians had a tactical truck problem. 

No more tanks or infantry fighting vehicles to service.  Russia solved the truck problem, Da?

[Schulz2.0 28951]

 

[SL Xpress 7513]

Okay, I've watched a lot of footage. A lot. But this is the most compelling coverage of Bakhmut I've found. 

This lady reporter, and she's in a lot of the videos from this site, goes around asking everyone how scared they are and what in the world they're doing where they are - point blank. She acts like a scared ninny, to be honest. And yet there she is, running around a few hundred meters from the fighting, with artillery shells and grad rockets landing in close proximity somewhere. A shop owner she tries to call into account reverses the tables on her, "What are you doing here?" "Well, what are YOU doing here."

The 93rd Armored Brigade is one of the most famous in Ukraine. One of the Cyborg units from the Battle for the Donetsk Airport. I had read somewhere that some of Russia's biggest advances came after they had rotated out of Bakhmut, and so they were sent back in to help stabilize the situation. This video shows how much they're depending on recently mobilized troops to fill their ranks - soldiers who are often coming to the front lines of Bakhmut after only a few weeks of training. At one point a leader comes in the room to announce a group of 10 soldiers refused to report to the front lines. 

Another interview with a young drone flyer incorporates knowledge of a personal relationship with one of the heroes of the Maidan Revolution who inspired him to read a famous Ukrainian writer who wrote about Ukrainian nationalism, but died in the Irzum in the defense of Kyiv. There's another feature on a pair of IFV crew who show absolutely no fear for the enemy. It's outstanding stuff. Well worth the 35 minutes. 

Subtitled, if that matter to you.

 

[Gatorubet 30221]

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Interesting thread about the rail repair on the Kerch Bridge.  Be an absolute shame if they got another shit sandwich here in the next little bit, but for now it would appear rail capacity is limited if not down.  

 

[BamaATL 16593]

5 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I'm all for bombing the coast of Florida on the Gulf, but I'm not sure how it would help in this matter.  

[PTINS 3467]

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Interesting thread about the rail repair on the Kerch Bridge.  Be an absolute shame if they got another shit sandwich here in the next little bit, but for now it would appear rail capacity is limited if not down.  

 

I read it on the internet, so it must be true...

Fascinating thread. What a black hole!!! It follows an alleged truck cargo from Odesa, Ukraine to Romania to Bulgaria to Georgia to Armenia to Georgia to Russia to Kerch Bridge ... Boom.

May be 100% fiction, but like a Clancy novel, it just pulls you in ...

 

[The Dog 44023]

11 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

or they could just liberate Melitopol. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

11 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I'm all for bombing the coast of Florida on the Gulf, but I'm not sure how it would help in this matter.  

But it wouldn’t hurt

[Brisketexan 105099]

1 minute ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

But it wouldn’t hurt

This.  No matter what the question, the answer of "bomb Florida" is never the WRONG answer.  It just may not be the most correct one.

[Gatorubet 30221]

18 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

But it wouldn’t hurt

Switch Gulf coast to the Atlantic side and I co-sign.