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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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Speaking of popular Russian YouTubers, Konstantin/Inside Russia has pumped out a lot of good content after he left Russia.

There were some pretty nasty comments in one of his latest (below) over his comment about "where do Ukrainian children go when they disappear", but they were removed.  Russian trolls/bots.

Anyways, one interesting thing he talks about in this video and others (but man he can talk for a while, so these are long videos, because he chats with his fans, etc.)  is that since the main invasion last year, the Russian middle-class has all but disappeared, either because sanctions gutted a lot of the industries/jobs that feed the middle-class, and because the 700,000 men that bailed on Russia last fall were the ones who had jobs and skills that had allowed them to save up and be ready to leave the country if they were going to be drafted.  Or the middle class has effectively been silence.  The poorest would not have had the means to quickly pull money and get to the border (or on an airplane) somehow and get out.  The richest don't have to worry, which means it was the middle class that left.  At the same time, the remaining members have a lot to lose, and with Putin's new laws, etc., they have to keep their mouths shut and eyes down and avoid being mobilzed.

700,000 (and probably higher by a few hundred thousand by now) out of 140 million people may not seem like a lot, but if your middle class was already 6 months into being gutted by sanctions over Ukraine, and then you had this mass exodus, it's going to leave a mark.

Edit: He's mentioned in other videos that if you're poor in Russia, there is very little about your life that is affected by the outside world, unlike the middle class (who get pushed down into the lower class) when decent jobs go away.  As he said elsewhere, if you're poor in rural Russia, you're using an outhouse even though it's 2022.  You would have been conscripted at some point for the mandatory year anyways.

 

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Speaking of popular Russian YouTubers, Konstantin/Inside Russia has pumped out a lot of good content after he left Russia.

There were some pretty nasty comments in one of his latest (below) over his comment about "where do Ukrainian children go when they disappear", but they were removed.  Russian trolls/bots.

Anyways, one interesting thing he talks about in this video (but man he can talk for a while, so these are long videos, because he chats with his fans, etc.)  is that since the main invasion last year, the Russian middle-class has all but disappeared, either because sanctions gutted a lot of the industries/jobs that feed the middle-class, and because the 700,000 men that bailed on Russia last fall were the ones who had jobs and skills that had allowed them to save up and be ready to leave the country if they were going to be drafted. The poorest would not have had the means to quickly pull money and get to the border (or on an airplane) somehow and get out.  The richest don't have to worry, which means it was the middle class that left.

700,000 (and probably higher by a few hundred thousand by now) out of 140 million people may not seem like a lot, but if your middle class was already 6 months into being gutted by sanctions over Ukraine, and then you had this mass exodus, it's going to leave a mark.

 

You know the other thing we tend to think of is that the middle class is everywhere here in the US.  This just isn't true there, there are basically 3 cities the sort of approximate a western city, with a metro population between the 3 of being maybe 40 million.   Those are the only places in Russia where a middle class does exist.  So lose roughly 10% of that, combined with then their families, you are looking at a loss of population of about 10% of those areas, and an absolute destruction of whatever middle class there was.  

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8 hours ago, Pods said:

Spot on. Any other "ending" would only be a temporary pause for Putin to refit and then go after Georgia, and/or Moldova, and/or the Baltics, and/or Poland, and/or Ukraine again, if anything is left. 

It would also embolden China with regards to Taiwan. 

The geopolitical stakes are massive.

Ukraine must win. 

Russians are just people.  However, while societies have advanced and gone through changes that advanced societies tend to go through, Russians remain oppressed, with a society that is looking backwards because the fall of the Soviet Union didn't really benefit them, in part due to the kleptocratic leadership they have in place who presented representation but really it just morphed into a tyrannical autocratic regime.  They probably assume it is the same in other places elsewhere, everywhere.   The ones who know better delude themselves or find solace in a bottle.   The rest are just morons.   And morons are easier to move into acts of cruelty.    There is a reason Pol Pot got rid of the educated and recruited rural dumbasses to become his torturers.  

That doesn't excuse them.  Their actions are their own.  They put up with it, it is their fucking fault for supporting that regime.  They should be boxed out of all trade with all Western allies and listed as a state sponsor of terror by all Western civilizations or nations that want to trade with the West.  If China wants to hitch its wagon to them, then let them.  

 

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Here's one of the bikini ones.  Around 25 minutes you can see how cold it is - her breath gives away the temperature - fucking insane.

 

That’s been posted on this board, I think. Some things are easy to remember. Funny though I don’t remember the rest of the video. Was there another Russian girl in a bikini in winter video?

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Here's one of the bikini ones.  Around 25 minutes you can see how cold it is - her breath gives away the temperature - fucking insane.

 

This girl from Siberia has popped up in my YouTube feed. I look forward to her future mail order bride profile appearing.

 

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I think we can divert a bit on Finland as its membership in NATO is a direct result of Russia’s war. It’s really hard to overstate what a L this is for Russia and Putin. Their membership represents the failure of over 70 years of careful Soviet/Russian statecraft. And it represents the firm closing of Russia’s window on the West. Beyond the obvious geography, this political development and the loss of Finland as a responsible Western state that had found accommodation with Russia is a strategic failure. This alone is just about enough to call Russia’s war against Ukraine a failure. 

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Sorry if this has already been covered. The thread moves quickly and the amount of links borks me at times. 
 
What are the suspected focal points of the impending counteroffensive? Surely not Bakhmut?

I think the expected goal will be to cross the Dnipro and drive to the Sea of Azov. Maybe towards Melitopol or Mariupol. If they can achieve this, it cuts off the Russkies in Crimea.
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what's the real impact of not being there for grain production?  it's not like the world can do without russian wheat.  it'll still get made and sold just as much.  just not a US company doing it.

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unless no wheat in fact gets grown now.  ukraine, any thoughts on that?

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From the "hindsight is 20/20" department:

IIRC at the time Ukraine was still pretty strongly aligned with Russia and one less nuclear state on their side was a good thing. 

So I understand why he may feel some regret but it was just a totally different world back then. Nobody could predict what was coming - his counterpart in Russia was Yeltsin and Putin hadn't even taken over yet.

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2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

From the "hindsight is 20/20" department:

IIRC at the time Ukraine was still pretty strongly aligned with Russia and one less nuclear state on their side was a good thing. 

So I understand why he may feel some regret but it was just a totally different world back then. Nobody could predict what was coming - his counterpart in Russia was Yeltsin and Putin hadn't even taken over yet.

Well, and IIRC, a large concern (don't know if it was equal, but I think it was material) was the risk of proliferation in "new and poor former Soviet Republics" being ripe for walking off, being sold to the highest bidder, etc.  The thinking was that in the interest of non-proliferation, having as few countries as possible in possession of nukes was a good thing.

And now, Russia has just provided the whole world with a lesson in "if you don't have nukes....you better get some!"  Another fucking side effect of this war that's going to end up haunting humanity.

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I think the expected goal will be to cross the Dnipro and drive to the Sea of Azov. Maybe towards Melitopol or Mariupol. If they can achieve this, it cuts off the Russkies in Crimea.

Crossing the Dnipro would be a pretty tall order. Attacking down the Orkiiv, Tokmak, and Melitopol line seems likely.

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2 hours ago, MillerEP said:

 

Just warms your heart.  We're doing all this to free Ukraine and make Europe safer of course.  But as a member of the 80's generation I also like seeing this simply because Fuck Russia.

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