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[Bevo 13567]

1 minute ago, Parliament said:

Those are F18's, not 16"s.  

Yeah, we were talking about 80s movies and those were F14s in Top Gun so I went to Maverick without giving it any thought.

[Rimbo 25911]

yep, the movie you want is Iron Eagle.

 

well

 

 

 

for some value of "want"

[Parliament 14243]

3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Yeah, we were talking about 80s movies and those were F14s in Top Gun so I went to Maverick without giving it any thought.

And I kinda was an ahole nerd there.

 

 

[InkaUtexas 25863]

My dream. Grypen's running overwatch, F-16's providing second tier. A-10's (yeah I said it) following the armored and infantry elements. All guarded By NATO SAM's and forward Russian positions being hammered by HIMARS, ARCHERS and all the fun friends who want to come to the party. 

 

[Parliament 14243]

Why not add our entire F22 fleet to the dream?

 

 

[InkaUtexas 25863]

2 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Why not add our entire F22 fleet to the dream?

 

 

Cuz, we are not retiring them yet. That is phase two of operation fuck you Russia. 

The systems I named were designed to fuck up Russia's current shit. 

[Bevo 13567]

33 minutes ago, Parliament said:

And I kinda was an ahole nerd there.

 

 

It's Surly

[Bevo 13567]

F16 vs,  F18

https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/f16-vs-f18-top-10-differences-between-the-viper-super-hornet/

 

 

 

[B00M 6414]

3 hours ago, The Dog said:

Is this an example of what happens when you use tanks as artillery even though their barrels are only intended for a few hundred rounds? Or did bubba’s pissin’ hot handloads do this?

Edited May 20, 2023 by B00M

[Johnny Chimpo 478]

That’s a self propelled gun, not a tank 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

30 minutes ago, B00M said:

Is this an example of what happens when you use tanks as artillery even though their barrels are only intended for a few hundred rounds? Or did bubba’s pissin’ hot handloads do this?

That's not a tank, it's a self-propelled gun.

It could be manufacturing issues (shitty tolerances), it could be issues with the propellant, it could be somebody doing things it wasn't meant to do, or could be a combination of issues + overuse.

And it could also be that the vehicle portion was damaged and the crew smartly destroyed the gun instead of letting it fall into Ukrainian hands.

[BamaATL 16593]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Chimpo said:

That’s a self propelled gun, not a tank 

It looks to be a 2S19 Msta self propelled howitzer, which is interesting, considering that it's newer equipment, first production run being 1989 and continuing to this day.  The Ukrainians have a few as well.  

It's surprising that it is so susceptible to the banana in the tail pipe trick.  

But it looks like barrel fatigue.  

[BamaATL 16593]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

That's not a tank, it's a self-propelled gun.

It could be manufacturing issues (shitty tolerances), it could be issues with the propellant, it could be somebody doing things it wasn't meant to do, or could be a combination of issues + overuse.

And it could also be that the vehicle portion was damaged and the crew smartly destroyed the gun instead of letting it fall into Ukrainian hands.

That's a good point about the crew potentially abandoning it and destroying the barrel.  Very plausible. 

[butthurt 1522]

4 hours ago, statsman said:

The F-16 looks really sleek and cool at the air shows and when you build models. That’s not what sells the airplane. The pic below shows what sells it- the ordnance it carries. (Did I mention its record in aerial combat? 71-0. Not bad for an “affordable” fighter. Come on, Ukraine. We’re counting on you to take us to triple digits). 
 
Also, it suits Ukraine because, as a single engine/single pilot aircraft, every single engine maintained and operational is a fighter in the sky. That’s important when lots of missions are being flown. 

Do the orcs have enough aircraft for the the F-16 to get to triple digits? 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

4 minutes ago, butthurt said:

Do the orcs have enough aircraft for the the F-16 to get to triple digits? 

Helicopters count!

Meanwhile Erin Burnett has been banned from entering Russia, plus like 499 other people.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/19/europe/russia-bans-american-citizens-obama-intl/index.html

[InkaUtexas 25863]

18 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Helicopters count!

Meanwhile Erin Burnett has been banned from entering Russia, plus like 499 other people.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/19/europe/russia-bans-american-citizens-obama-intl/index.html

I always wanted to see St. Petersburg, but now, fuck it, hope to make that list. 

 

[RDCanecutter 26387]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

And it could also be that the vehicle portion was damaged and the crew smartly destroyed the gun instead of letting it fall into Ukrainian hands.

"When we lose mobility, we become a pillbox. When we lose the gun, we become a bunker. When we lose hope, we become... heroes."

"But hey Sergeant, what if we just blow up the barrel and run the fuck away?"

"Da, OK, is good too."

[Gatorubet 30185]

57 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Helicopters count!

Meanwhile Erin Burnett has been banned from entering Russia, plus like 499 other people.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/19/europe/russia-bans-american-citizens-obama-intl/index.html

I know she’s banned me from entering her. 

[atomheartbevo 89628]

26 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I know she’s banned me from entering her. 

You’re thinking of Erin Andrews and you know how those Florida grads are.

[686 3447]

It could be manufacturing issues (shitty tolerances)

from a Ukrainian armor chop shop about 6 months ago:



One scenario I’m imagining for this to occur is that when the barrel was drilled, the bit wandered, so the bore of the barrel actually curves as it goes from breach to muzzle. Fucking yikes. Definitely going to be a wear problem.

[InkaUtexas 25863]

7 minutes ago, 686 said:

 

from a Ukrainian armor chop shop about 6 months ago:



One scenario I’m imagining for this to occur is that when the barrel was drilled, the bit wandered, so the bore of the barrel actually curves as it goes from breach to muzzle. Fucking yikes. Definitely going to be a wear problem.

 

And probably an aiming issue. 

"Dammit Igor, you missed again. Oh fuck, that Bradley just fired a TOW. Well at least my Babushka gets some onions and a Lada."

[Gatorubet 30185]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And it could also be that the vehicle portion was damaged and the crew smartly destroyed the gun instead of letting it fall into Ukrainian hands.

It could also be that the crew intentionally destroyed the gun because they didn’t want to be drone meat tomorrow or AS90 meat (as Ukrainians are done training in Britain on that 155 mm self-propelled howitzer) in a month - and the vehicle portion was just fine. 

[956 Worldwide 34702]

10 hours ago, statsman said:

The F-16 looks really sleek and cool at the air shows and when you build models. That’s not what sells the airplane. The pic below shows what sells it- the ordnance it carries. (Did I mention its record in aerial combat? 71-0. Not bad for an “affordable” fighter. Come on, Ukraine. We’re counting on you to take us to triple digits). 
 
Also, it suits Ukraine because, as a single engine/single pilot aircraft, every single engine maintained and operational is a fighter in the sky. That’s important when lots of missions are being flown. 

They look a bit less sleek with the conformal tanks the more advanced versions have. 
 

The F-18 mentioned above would also be a great choice for them, and Tyler Rogway at the WarZone has a long article about that. The important thing is that the log-jam that was at the NSC is broken and now any sort of western fast jet someone wants to provide is fair game.  The Gripen would be perfect but there’s just not many of them flying. 
 

I am hoping that there’s a big deep dive into how we got here, because there’s plenty of areas to self-criticize. For fucks sake, we deterred ourselves from giving them Javelins till 2018/2019. FUCKING JAVELINS! 
 

It hurts to think about how this could have been different if we had been more forthcoming and honest with ourselves about what Putin intended back in 2014. And then through 2022. And hopefully drawing lessons for Taiwan. This shit isn’t as hard as we make it, if your friends have enough guns it makes it harder for their asshole neighbors to come over the fence.

[956 Worldwide 34702]

7 hours ago, Bevo said:

F16 vs,  F18

https://www.operationmilitarykids.org/f16-vs-f18-top-10-differences-between-the-viper-super-hornet/

 

 

 

I read this whole thing for “Operation 
Military Kids” and it never mentions that the F-18 has two vertical stabilizers and the F-16 one, which is how I’d tell any kid to tell them apart. 

[texastough 1129]

Yea I concluded that it was written by the kids

[Bateshorn 9927]

It’s a good sign for the F-35 that all our allies are lining up to donate F-16s.  It means folks are liking what they see as it gets brought online and the kinks are getting worked out. 

[The Dog 44019]

[Schulz2.0 28951]

 

[locodos 5387]

F-16, F-18, what ever it takes...

 

I had a guy that worked for me that was an F-16 pilot.  He was kind of an asshole, but I was jealous he got to fly that machine.  Grudging respect.  He had some amazing Gulf war stories...   Still kind of an asshole, though

[Neonmoon 38129]

15 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Maybe they should send a third tank just to make sure 

[Armybrat 40822]

10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Helicopters count!

Meanwhile Erin Burnett has been banned from entering Russia, plus like 499 other people.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/19/europe/russia-bans-american-citizens-obama-intl/index.html

Bet Putin will roll out the red carpet for that Tucker fellow though.

[BamaATL 16593]

From someone I believe would know

 

 

[Chad Fuck 17659]

F-16, F-18, what ever it takes...
 
I had a guy that worked for me that was an F-16 pilot.  He was kind of an asshole, but I was jealous he got to fly that machine.  Grudging respect.  He had some amazing Gulf war stories...   Still kind of an asshole, though

If you want a guy to climb up on a jet engine filled with gas, hauling around explosives while being shot at, you need that someone who is a bit of an asshole to do it. They need to believe they’re a bit better than the rest. Otherwise you couldn’t get anyone to do something so crazy.

My uncle was a fighter pilot in Vietnam. He was a bit tweaked before he went or so I’m told. Always an adrenaline junky. I can verify he was a bit of an asshole. Just a touch, but enough to note.

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

Holy shit

 

 

[Bevo 13567]

Maps of Vladimir Putin’s secret underground lair leaked

Diagrams reveal tunnels complete with a ventilation system, sewerage and fresh water supply

By Nataliya Vasilyeva, Russia Correspondent, in Istanbul 18 May 2023 • 9:07pm

The complex lies beneath Putin's £1bn palace on the coast near the town of Gelendzhik Credit: AP

Vladimir Putin had a massive underground lair built beneath his secret palace by the Black Sea, according to plans posted online by the engineering firm behind the project.

The Russian president was said to have ordered the construction of tunnels, which lie about 50 metres below the surface, out of concern for his survival in the event of a revolution or war.

The underground complex was built before Russia seized control of Crimea in 2014, when Putin was still cultivating warm relations with European powers.

His £1 billion palace – complete with its own church, ice rink, casino and hookah lounge – stretches across 190,000 square feet on a verge overlooking the sea.

President Putin's £1bn hideaway

The existence of the tunnels, first reported by Business Insider, is only known about because the defunct Russian construction firm that built them posted diagrams online as proof of the excellence of their work.

Metro Style, an engineering company hired to dig tunnels for the Moscow underground, published the images on its website in the early 2010s, describing the project as an  “underground complex for a resort” in Gelendzhik, the town closest to Putin’s palace.

The diagrams reveal bunkers with their own ventilation system, as well as sewerage and fresh water supply.

Reinforcing the walls are 15-inch concrete shells and the entire underground complex spans 6,500 square feet.

An elevator shaft connects the complex to the two tunnels, with the lower one featuring a walkway to the beach, according to one of Metro Style’s diagrams.

The lower tunnel has cable racks that could be used to carry electricity, lighting and fibre-optic cables into a command post.

Exits from both tunnels are visible on the cliff face rising up from the sea to the palace.

Online ‘diggers’

Although the diagrams were removed from Metro Style’s website in 2016, they were still visible on the Wayback Machine, an archive of online content.

They were circulated in a community of so-called ‘diggers’ – Russian citizens who visit and document forbidden sites.

An anonymous digger who said he belonged to a group called “Sect Z” told Business Insider that he was sharing the images “because we are tired of Putin’s stupid face and want to show his paranoid underground transport”.

He later told Business Insider that he hoped the images would hasten the “end of the regime” .

Putin's Palace in Gelendzhik, Black Sea

Thousands of Russians took to the streets when the organisation of opposition leader Alexei Navalny first published an expose of Putin’s Black Sea palace in 2021.

Some held up gold-painted toilet brushes in reference to a £700 utensil reportedly found in the colossal residence.

The president has denied owning the palace, which is surrounded by 17,000 acres of woods and permanently protected by his security team.

Shortly after Mr Navalny’s investigation, Arkady Rotenberg, a billionaire childhood friend of Mr Putin, came out to claim the property belonged to him and the president had nothing to do with it.

But the Kremlin failed to explain why the palace is under 24-hour guard by state security forces and protected by a no-fly zone if the president does not live there.

Several media outlets spoke to unnamed builders at the time, who said they had worked on the site and recalled its lavish interior.

Georgy Alburov, one of Mr Navalny’s allies who worked on the team’s investigation, told an exiled Russian YouTube show on Thursday that the team had seen the plans for the underground bunker but did not give them enough attention.

“You can live there. There is sewerage, amenities, very sturdy walls,” he said on Alexander Plushchev’s show on Thursday.

“It’s a fully fledged bunker you can hide in.”

Putin's escape route

Safe evacuation route

However, Mark Galeotti, author of ‘Putin’s Wars: From Crimea to Ukraine’, told The Telegraph that the underground complex appeared to be more about providing the head of the state with a convenient and safe evacuation route rather than a place to live during a nuclear attack.

“These tunnels are not bunkers. For it to be properly secure you have to be able to close it off,” he said, pointing to ordinary doors at the end of the tunnels on the beach side.

Mr Galeotti compared the structure with a series of top-secret tunnels beneath Moscow, known as Metro-2, that were designed to evacuate the Soviet leadership in case of an attack. “I have a suspicion that’s what we’re talking about here,” he said.

The moving walkway in one of the tunnels suggests that it was going to be used as another luxury feature of this opulent estate.

“The whole Gelendzhik palace is a monument to excessive luxury – with everything else you’ve got, why shouldn’t you have a travelator to take you to the beach?” said Mr Galeotti.

He added that if the underground complex had been designed as an emergency shelter, the plans and construction would have been handled by a special branch of the Kremlin administration that typically deals with top-secret projects, not an obscure Moscow-based contractor that ended up publishing the architectural plans online.

[NAVY 6740]

The psychological blow to Russia when they lose Bakhmut rapidly should be fun to watch 

This could could even be the ‘condition’ that triggers the counteroffensive countdown 

[locodos 5387]

7 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

If you want a guy to climb up on a jet engine filled with gas, hauling around explosives while being shot at, you need that someone who is a bit of an asshole to do it. They need to believe they’re a bit better than the rest. Otherwise you couldn’t get anyone to do something so crazy.

My uncle was a fighter pilot in Vietnam. He was a bit tweaked before he went or so I’m told. Always an adrenaline junky. I can verify he was a bit of an asshole. Just a touch, but enough to note.

Our head of sales was an old Tomcat pilot. (and as charming of a SOB as you will ever meet)  He told me it wasn't the other guys fault he was a dick  "Chairforce" types are just like that. 

[686 3447]

Regarding the “is Russia out of missiles or not” debate:

[locodos 5387]

4 minutes ago, 686 said:

Regarding the “is Russia out of missiles or not” debate:
 

Maybe it's time we find out who's selling them the tech/chips (if that's happening), and let the Ukrainians know where they sleep.

[686 3447]

Holy shit
 
 

Titled “Our Lovely Neighbor”. Boris Groh is talented. His “Smoking is Bad”:

[PTINS 3464]

5 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I am hoping that there’s a big deep dive into how we got here, because there’s plenty of areas to self-criticize. For fucks sake, we deterred ourselves from giving them Javelins till 2018/2019. FUCKING JAVELINS! 

It hurts to think about how this could have been different if we had been more forthcoming and honest with ourselves about what Putin intended back in 2014. And then through 2022. And hopefully drawing lessons for Taiwan. This shit isn’t as hard as we make it, if your friends have enough guns it makes it harder for their asshole neighbors to come over the fence.

The United States agreeing to "security assurances" for Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their Nuclear Weapons, and then sitting on our hands with a thumb up our ass is about the most shameful series of decisions in our countries history.   It should never have come to this.

The US has blood on our hands for every man, women and child brutalized by the Russians in Ukraine.  Every President since Clinton knew of our moral obligation to support Ukraine and we fucking failed at every opportunity to step up and honor our agreement, until after Russia invaded Ukraine last February.

Bill Clinton: My Nuke Deal To Blame for Russia's Invasion of Ukraine

Presidents Clinton (U.S.), Yeltsin (Russia) and Kravchuk (Ukraine) joining hands after signing the nuclear disarmament agreement at Kremlin. The Trilateral Statement, as it was known, was signed in the January of 1994.

The Trilateral Statement, as it was known, was signed by Clinton, then-Russian leader Boris Yeltsin and Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk in January 1994.  Russia, the U.S., and the United Kingdom then offered Ukraine a series of security assurances in exchange for eliminating nuclear weapons in the Budapest Memorandum later that year.

"I knew that President Putin did not support the agreement President Yeltsin made never to interfere with Ukraine's territorial boundaries—an agreement he made because he wanted Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons," Clinton said.

Kyiv was "afraid to give them up," he said, because of a belief that a nuclear stockpile was the "only thing" to offer protection from "an expansionist Russia."

"When it became convenient to him, President Putin broke it and first took Crimea," Clinton said. "And I feel terrible about it because Ukraine is a very important country."

5 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I am hoping that there’s a big deep dive into how we got here, because there’s plenty of areas to self-criticize. For fucks sake, we deterred ourselves from giving them Javelins till 2018/2019. FUCKING JAVELINS! 

It hurts to think about how this could have been different if we had been more forthcoming and honest with ourselves about what Putin intended back in 2014. And then through 2022. And hopefully drawing lessons for Taiwan. This shit isn’t as hard as we make it, if your friends have enough guns it makes it harder for their asshole neighbors to come over the fence.

The United States agreeing to "security assurances" for Ukraine in exchange for them giving up their Nuclear Weapons, and then sitting on our hands with a thumb up our ass is about the most shameful series of decisions in our countries history.   It should never have come to this.

The US has blood on our hands for every man, women and child brutalized by the Russians in Ukraine.  Every President since Clinton knew of our moral obligation to support Ukraine and we fucking failed at every opportunity to step up and honor our agreement, until after Russia invaded Ukraine last February.

Bill Clinton: My Nuke Deal To Blame for Russia's Invasion of Ukraine

Presidents Clinton (U.S.), Yeltsin (Russia) and Kravchuk (Ukraine) joining hands after signing the nuclear disarmament agreement at Kremlin. The Trilateral Statement, as it was known, was signed in the January of 1994.

The Trilateral Statement, as it was known, was signed by Clinton, then-Russian leader Boris Yeltsin and Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk in January 1994.  Russia, the U.S., and the United Kingdom then offered Ukraine a series of security assurances in exchange for eliminating nuclear weapons in the Budapest Memorandum later that year.

"I knew that President Putin did not support the agreement President Yeltsin made never to interfere with Ukraine's territorial boundaries—an agreement he made because he wanted Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons," Clinton said.

Kyiv was "afraid to give them up," he said, because of a belief that a nuclear stockpile was the "only thing" to offer protection from "an expansionist Russia."

"When it became convenient to him, President Putin broke it and first took Crimea," Clinton said. "And I feel terrible about it because Ukraine is a very important country."

[Cacti 191]

21 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

...why we don't have a full-on, wartime strategic partnership in helping EU countries develop LNG terminals and abilities, and ramping up LNG terminals here (esp. Texas) is something I don't understand.

If it were solely up to our O&G industry, we would do exactly as you suggested. But since partisan politics are involved (CR), any discussion is severely limited on this particular board.

[686 3447]

Another Boris Groh piece, “Is it for Me?” If I was Lockheed I’d commission him for some murals.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

 

[Armybrat 40822]

So goes Bakhmut, so did the Alamo.

And we all know how that went.

[PTINS 3464]

58 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

If you want a guy to climb up on a jet engine filled with gas, hauling around explosives while being shot at, you need that someone who is a bit of an asshole to do it. They need to believe they’re a bit better than the rest. Otherwise you couldn’t get anyone to do something so crazy.

My uncle was a fighter pilot in Vietnam. He was a bit tweaked before he went or so I’m told. Always an adrenaline junky. I can verify he was a bit of an asshole. Just a touch, but enough to note.

Being the son of a mother married to an NCO (deceased) and the brother of a sister married to USAFA Pilot (retired), I've reflected on the collateral damage that a military career has on all the family members. It is much better for the pilot at the expense of the family.

I started reading a book many years ago about the Gulf War Air campaign, and got so disgusted, I put in down, unfinished.  The mindset that the pilot's career is paramount, above anything else, was not surprising. Right or wrong, I have come to believe that the US military pilot is the most egotistical person you will ever meet. They are the best at everything. Period. Everything else exists to support them. 

You want and need that mindset when they "doing some of that pilot shit" with a bogey on their tail. It's just too bad they can't turn it off when they are around normal people.

Nothing should change. But caution your daughters not to marry a pilot.

[Chad Fuck 17659]

Being the son of a mother married to an NCO (deceased) and the brother of a sister married to USAFA Pilot (retired), I've reflected on the collateral damage that a military career has on all the family members. It is much better for the pilot at the expense of the family.
I started reading a book many years ago about the Gulf War Air campaign, and got so disgusted, I put in down, unfinished.  The mindset that the pilot's career is paramount, above anything else, was not surprising. Right or wrong, I have come to believe that the US military pilot is the most egotistical person you will ever meet. They are the best at everything. Period. Everything else exists to support them. 
You want and need that mindset when they "doing some of that pilot shit" with a bogey on their tail. It's just too bad they can't turn it off when they are around normal people.
Nothing should change. But caution your daughters not to marry a pilot.

The Great Santini is the perfect movie about this.

The Wild Blue and The Right Stuff are both pretty danged good written encapsulations of those dynamics.

There are no shortage of big egos in dangerous professions. It comes with the territory.

The other side of your accurate coin is that sometimes those assholes attract some pretty damaged people themselves. And also, there are plenty of families that adjust ok to that one big ego in the family and overcome.

Anyhow I’m way out in the weeds.

I hope for their sakes the Ukes have some guys up to the task of filling those cockpits. I’m confident they do.

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[MissingInAction 25013]

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