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Fuck China.

 

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One of my favorite examples of how the US Military operates was a story about a written exam given to Lieutenants in a leadership school.  The only question was something like this:  

You are ordered to put up a new flag pole. 

Resources available:

1. 40 foot flag pole.

2. pre dug 5 foot hole of appropriate diameter.

3. 2 lengths of 50 foot rope.

4.  1 Sergeant and 5 Privates.

Describe your actions to raise the pole.

 

Most would go into incredible details in how they would erect the pole.  The correct answer was "Sergeant, put up that flagpole".

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5 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

There's an easy solution to this.

Hey rooskie soldiers, just follow the scripts your great grandfathers wrote on the Potemkin: turn your guns around and point them at the people who are actually harming you - your crooked and corrupt "rulers."

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"cotton" is a Ukrainian slang for "shelling". looks like Azovstal was visited by a Storm Shadow.

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Mullet Free and the rest of the vatnik slapdicks are crushed.

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Schulz2.0

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They can clearly outperform our expectations.

Any eligibility left?

Asking for Sark.

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8 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

I’m beginning to think they sunk the fucking thing.  Russian bots have been pushing out videos from two years ago of it entering port as evidence that everything is fine.

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10 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Many Russian ships do, although I don't know if that particular ship is equipped with a close in weapon system. E.g., 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kashtan_CIWS

 

This answers one of my questions, which is does the platform work against small surface craft (at least it claims it does).  But my other question is can it track and defeat multiple targets in a timely manner, or do you need several of them working together for that?  So that sending 3 drones to attack simultaneously would give you good odds of one it two getting through.

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19 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I’m beginning to think they sunk the fucking thing.  Russian bots have been pushing out videos from two years ago of it entering port as evidence that everything is fine.

I saw a track of naval activity in the area earlier, and lets just say, it seemed....busy.  It may not have sunk, but it may well be so damaged they have to scuttle it.  If it were minor, they wouldn't have near the presence in the area.  Additionally, a aircraft tracker showed US drones all over it.  

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Also worth noting: 

 

 

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Video game footage is my favorite genre of vatniks posting their Ls. Especially with a carrier that can’t move under its own power. 
 

 

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Just in from WaPo:  Russia sucks. 
 

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Russians snitch on Russians who oppose war with Soviet-style denunciations

Robyn Dixon

 

Surveillance cameras on a wall of the State Historical Museum near Red Square in Moscow in April. (Vlad Karkov/SOPA Images/LightRocket/Getty Images)

 

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MOSCOW — Parishioners have denounced Russian priests who advocated peace instead of victory in the war on Ukraine. Teachers lost their jobs after children tattled that they opposed the war. Neighbors who bore some trivial grudge for years have snitched on longtime foes. Workers rat on one another to their bosses or directly to the police or the Federal Security Service.

This is the hostile, paranoid atmosphere of Russians at war with Ukraine and with one another. As Russian President Vladimir Putin’s regime cracks down on critics of the war and other political dissenters, citizens are policing one another in an echo of the darkest years of Joseph Stalin’s repression, triggering investigations, criminal charges, prosecutions and dismissals from work.

Private conversations in restaurants and rail cars are fair game for eavesdroppers, who call police to arrest “traitors” and “enemies.” Social media posts, and messages — even in private chat groups — become incriminating evidence that can lead to a knock on the door by agents of the Federal Security Service of FSB.

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The effect is chilling, with denunciations strongly encouraged by the state and news of arrests and prosecutions amplified by propagandist commentators on federal television stations and Telegram channels. In March last year, Putin called on the nation to purge itself by spitting out traitors “like gnats.” He has since issued repeated dark warnings about internal enemies, claiming that Russia is fighting for its survival.

Since the invasion began, at least 19,718 people have been arrested for their opposition to the war, according to legal rights group OVD-Info, with criminal cases launched against 584 people, and administrative cases mounted against 6,839. Many others faced intimidation or harassment from the authorities, lost jobs, or had relatives targeted, the organization said. According to rights group Memorial, there are 558 political prisoners now being held in Russia.

“This wave of denunciations is one of the signs of totalitarianism, when people understand what is good — from the point of view of the president — and what is bad, so ‘Who is against us must be prosecuted,’” said Andrei Kolesnikov, a Moscow-based political analyst with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace who, like many Russians, has been designated a “foreign agent” by the authorities.

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Kolesnikov describes Putin’s regime as increasingly authoritarian “but with elements of totalitarianism,” and predicts difficult years ahead. “I’m sure that he will not return to normality,” he said, referring to Putin. “He’s not crazy in a medical sense but he’s crazy in a political sense, just like any dictator.”

The flood of denunciations has made public spaces dangerous. Classrooms are among the riskiest, particularly during the state-sanctioned Monday morning class, “Conversations about important things,” when teachers lecture students about the war on Ukraine, Russia’s militaristic view of history, and other topics set by the state.

When I lunched with friends in a Moscow restaurant this month, one friend warily asked a waiter if the restaurant had cameras. It did.

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In an office, with no one else in the room, another friend almost inaudibly whispered his antiwar opinions, eyes darting nervously.

When a former class of language students gathered with their retired teacher for an annual reunion recently, all were tense, delicately probing one another’s views, before gradually realizing that everyone hated the war, so they could speak freely, said a Muscovite related to the teacher.

Meet the people caught up in Russia’s crackdown on dissent

The police in Moscow’s sprawling subway system have been busy chasing reports, assisted by the system’s powerful facial recognition system.

Kamilla Murashova, a nurse at a children’s hospice, was arrested in the subway on May 14 after someone took a photograph of a badge depicting the blue and yellow colors of Ukraine’s flag on her backpack and reported her. Murashova was charged with discrediting the military.

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A 40-year-old sales manager, Yuri Samoilov, was riding the subway on March 17 when a fellow passenger spotted his phone’s screen background, a symbol of the Ukrainian military unit Azov, and reported him. Samoilov was convicted of displaying extremist material “to an unlimited circle of people,” according to court documents.

In Soviet times, there was a chilling word for ratting on fellow citizens: stuchat, meaning to knock, evoking thoughts of a sly citizen knocking on a police officer’s door to make a report. The shorthand gesture to convey “Be careful, the walls have ears,” was a silent knocking motion.

In contemporary Russia, most reports appear to be made by “patriots” who see themselves as guardians of their motherland, according to Alexandra Arkhipova, a social anthropologist who is compiling a study of the subject — after being denounced herself last year, for comments she made on the Netherlands-based independent Russian television channel Dozhd.

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Arkhipova and research colleagues have identified more than 5,500 cases of denunciations.

A St. Petersburg mother, for example, identified in police documents as E. P Kalacheva, thought she was protecting her child from “moral damage” when she reported posters near a play area depicting Ukrainian apartments destroyed by Russian forces with the words, “And children?” As a result, a third-year university student was charged with discrediting the military.

Arkhipova said she and several university colleagues were all reported by an email address identified as belonging to Anna Vasilyevna Korobkova — so she emailed the address. The person identifying herself as Korobkova claimed to be the granddaughter of a Soviet-era KGB informant, who spent most of his time writing denunciations. She said she was following in his footsteps.

Russian scientists, experts in hypersonic technology, arrested for treason

Korobkova offered no proof of identity when contacted at the email address by The Washington Post, making it impossible to verify her story.

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The email writer claimed to be a single woman, aged 37, living in a large Russian city, who started writing mass denunciations of Russian opposition figures last year. She claimed to have sent 1,046 reports to the FSB about opposition figures who made comments on independent media blocked in Russia since the start of the war to May 23 — about two denunciations a day.

“In each interview I look for signs of criminal offenses — voluntary surrender and distribution of false information about the activities of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation,” she said. “If a POW says, for example, that he surrendered voluntarily, then I write two denunciations on him — to the FSB and to the military prosecutor’s office. She boasted that her denunciation led to the liquidation of Russia’s oldest human rights group, the Moscow Helsinki Group, in January.

“In general, the targets of my denunciations were scientists, teachers, doctors, human rights activists, lawyers, journalists and ordinary people,” the email writer said. “I feel enormous moral satisfaction when a person is persecuted because of my denunciation: dismissed from work, subjected to an administrative fine, etc.”

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Getting someone jailed “would make me very happy,” she wrote, adding: “I also consider it a success when a person leaves Russia after my denunciation.”

Arkhipova said Korobkova spent a lot of effort writing multiple responses to her questions, and saw her goal as deterring analysts from speaking to independent media about the war. “You can find this type of person anywhere,” Arkhipova said. ” They feel as if they are in charge of moral boundaries. They feel as if they are doing the right thing. They’re helping Putin, they’re helping their government.”

A teacher in Moscow region, Tatyana Chervenko, who has two children, was also denounced last summer by Korobkova after she opposed the war in an interview with the German news outlet Deutsche Welle.

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“The denunciation said I was involved in propaganda in the classroom. She made up facts. She doesn’t know me. She made the whole report up,” Chervenko said.

Initially, the school administration dismissed the report. But Korobkova wrote a second report to Putin’s Commissioner for Children’s Rights, Maria Lvova-Belova, who has been indicted by the International Criminal Court, along with Putin, for the abduction of Ukrainian children.

Prigozhin says war in Ukraine has backfired, warns of Russian revolution

After that, the school leadership sent teachers and administrators to watch over her classes, especially the “Conversations about important things.” They called police to the school. Parents close to the school administration wrote complaints calling for her dismissal. By the time she was fired in December, Chervenko said, she felt only relief. She did not even try to find another job.

She did not contact Korobkova. “I don’t want to feed those demons. I can tell she was so proud that I was fired. That was her goal,” she said. “But the thing that got me was the response of the authorities. After all, who is she? Nobody knows who she is. And yet she filed a report denouncing me and they responded by firing me.”

As in Soviet times, some denunciations appear to mask a grudge or material motive. Prominent Russian political scientist, Ekaterina Schulmann, with more than a million YouTube followers, who is now based in Berlin, was savagely denounced by neighbors in a report to the Moscow mayor after she left the country in April last year and was declared a “foreign agent.”

They called Schulmann and her family longtime “subversive” elements, “acting in the interests of their Western handlers, whose goal is to split our society.” But the heart of the complaint was really a 15-year-old property dispute.

“This is not a political denunciation, but an old economic conflict in which people are trying to seize the moment as they see it, so far without much success,” Schulmann said.

There are dozens of reports in schools — teachers reporting children, children reporting teachers, directors reporting children or teachers — undermining the educational work and sowing divisions, fear and mistrust in school staff rooms, said Daniil Ken, head of the Alliance of Teachers, a small independent teachers’ association, who left Russia because of the war.

“It’s very hard to coexist because, like members of any group, everyone in a school knows what the others think,” Ken said.

The state’s use of snitches and the many random arrests serve as powerful tools of social control, Arkhipova said.

“You can be arrested any moment, but you never know if you’re going to be arrested or not. They target several teachers in several places, just to let every teacher know, ‘Be quiet,’ she said. “And the point is to make everybody feel fear.”

Natalia Abbakumova in Riga, Latvia, contributed to this report

One year of Russia’s war in Ukraine

Portraits of Ukraine: Every Ukrainian’s life has changed since Russia launched its full-scale invasion one year ago — in ways both big and small. They have learned to survive and support each other under extreme circumstances, in bomb shelters and hospitals, destroyed apartment complexes and ruined marketplaces. Scroll through portraits of Ukrainians reflecting on a year of loss, resilience and fear.

Battle of attrition: Over the past year, the war has morphed from a multi-front invasion that included Kyiv in the north to a conflict of attrition largely concentrated along an expanse of territory in the east and south. Follow the 600-mile front line between Ukrainian and Russian forces and take a look at where the fighting has been concentrated.

A year of living apart: Russia’s invasion, coupled with Ukraine’s martial law preventing fighting-age men from leaving the country, has forced agonizing decisions for millions of Ukrainian families about how to balance safety, duty and love, with once-intertwined lives having become unrecognizable. Here’s what a train station full of goodbyes looked like last year.

Deepening global divides: President Biden has trumpeted the reinvigorated Western alliance forged during the war as a “global coalition,” but a closer look suggests the world is far from united on issues raised by the Ukraine war. Evidence abounds that the effort to isolate Putin has failed and that sanctions haven’t stopped Russia, thanks to its oil and gas exports.

 

Understanding the Russia-Ukraine conflict

 

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an echo of the darkest years of Joseph Stalin’s repression,

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That WaPo article really shows how you scratch modern Russia and get Soviet society underneath. 
 

The thing that should stand out: People deny that they are guilty of being anti-war and anti-Putin, rather than asking why they can’t dissent. 

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20 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That WaPo article really shows how you scratch modern Russia and get Soviet society underneath. 
 

The thing that should stand out: People deny that they are guilty of being anti-war and anti-Putin, rather than asking why they can’t dissent. 

That’s because they are still serfs….afraid of their oppressors.

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21 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

When something other than the effectiveness of the military becomes the biggest priority, it's unsurprising that the effectiveness of military suffers. In Russia's case (and China's, to a significant degree) the military is seen as a potential threat to the rulers of the state. Therefore mediocrity, the ability to survive in a backstabbing bureaucracy, the ability to project complete loyalty, personal ambition (but only within certain parameters), and a certain incompetence in leadership so no one would actually follow you in a coup attempt, become what is valued most. 

Frankly, when we try to make the military an instrument of social justice we do the same thing in this country. That doesn't mean we shouldn't. It doesn't mean Russia shouldn't be prioritizing making the military a non threat to take over the government. But if the focus becomes something other than building a force that is extremely efficient at killing large numbers of the enemy, then it can deteriorate from that purpose. In Russia's case, astonishingly so. 

But it's the same thing Gibbons talked about in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. Weak emperor/weak generals means fragility. Weak emperor/strong generals means a replacement. Strong emperor/weak generals means weak military. Strong emperor/strong military is the ideal, but it doesn't last long because one or the other is replaced. Rinse and repeat. 

But doesn’t implementing modern social behavioral standards in the military only improve our readiness? Isn’t a team more cohesive when they respect each other? The alternative is we accept racists and bigots and nazi types in the ranks and doesn’t that actually reduce our military effectiveness?

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2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

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man, if the fucking Taliban and Iran went to war right now, that would be fucking epic for Ukraine. 

Iran would almost be forced to stop mass shipments of their drones to Russia, because they would need those themselves to fight the Taliban. 

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23 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

UP in the mornin when the sun don't shine

Grab a bowl o' grits and a pint o' wine

It the Early morning rain! 

I work with a logistics group owned by a retired Marine Colonel. He lets the Sgt. Major do most of the thinking and coordination. Damn fine group TBH. You need to move anything around the world, these dudes know how to do it and the Sgt. Major runs the show. 

 

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4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

Who do y'all got in this fight? I think earthquake, volcano, tsunami and tornado are a reach. Perhaps a mother of all sand storms is in order.

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Iran has more equipment, but the Talibs know how to endure and fight back. 

I put 3.50 on the Taliban if Iran invades. I would not be surprised to see some terrorist hits in Iran. 

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2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Who do y'all got in this fight? I think earthquake, volcano, tsunami and tornado are a reach. Perhaps a mother of all sand storms is in order.

I'd sooner sew my face to the carpet than root for either of them.  

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3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

It the Early morning rain! 

I work with a logistics group owned by a retired Marine Colonel. He lets the Sgt. Major do most of the thinking and coordination. Damn fine group TBH. You need to move anything around the world, these dudes know how to do it and the Sgt. Major runs the show. 

 

I was a mere Lieutenant. In the morning I'd gather for coffee with my Platoon Sergeant and squad leaders. I'd tell them what we needed to do, and we would discuss various ways how to do it. Among them they had a lifetime of experience doing similar things. Generally one suggestion would look best and we'd decide to do it. I would sign off for things that might go boom, then we'd go do stuff.

Can't imagine an army without real NCOs. Well, I guess I can. Any army that regularly gets rolled.

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2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I was a mere Lieutenant. In the morning I'd gather for coffee with my Platoon Sergeant and squad leaders. I'd tell them what we needed to do, and we would discuss various ways how to do it. Among them they had a lifetime of experience doing similar things. Generally one suggestion would look best and we'd decide to do it. I would sign off for things that might go boom, then we'd go do stuff.

Can't imagine an army without real NCOs. Well, I guess I can. Any army that regularly gets rolled.

Dad was a mustang. Retired as an O-6 after getting to E-7 in MACV-SOG. Always listened to his NCO's. Kept his ass alive more than once. 

When I call him for advice he still tells me call Sgt Major so and so and get back to me. And they curse me out, solve the problem, and I owe them a beer. 

 

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Who do y'all got in this fight? I think earthquake, volcano, tsunami and tornado are a reach. Perhaps a mother of all sand storms is in order.

it's like having to choose between sooner vs aggy

Both governments are shit and I hope they both collapse. Taliban and Ayatollahs can both EABOD & DIAF.

As for the people/culture, Persians are kinda awesome. Before the dickheads took over, it was an amazing society and culture. Women are hot as hell. On the flip side, afghans are kinda into pederasty. Advantage: Persia.

Edited May 27, 2023 by Rimbo

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3 hours ago, B00M said:

But doesn’t implementing modern social behavioral standards in the military only improve our readiness? Isn’t a team more cohesive when they respect each other? The alternative is we accept racists and bigots and nazi types in the ranks and doesn’t that actually reduce our military effectiveness?

Counterpoint: The greatest military in the world has been fueled by exactly that. Why change? The goal is not harmony. The goal is hegemony. Same for other parts of society. 

 

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3 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Lookin' good, Major Kong!

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47 minutes ago, Slacks said:

Counterpoint: The greatest military in the world has been fueled by exactly that. Why change? The goal is not harmony. The goal is hegemony. Same for other parts of society. 

 

What?

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Dad was a mustang. Retired as an O-6 after getting to E-7 in MACV-SOG. Always listened to his NCO's. Kept his ass alive more than once. 

When I call him for advice he still tells me call Sgt Major so and so and get back to me. And they curse me out, solve the problem, and I owe them a beer. 

 

Sounds like a promising business venture, veterans life advice hotline.

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21 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

There's an easy solution to this.

Hey rooskie soldiers, just follow the scripts your great grandfathers wrote on the Potemkin: turn your guns around and point them at the people who are actually harming you - your crooked and corrupt "rulers."

I think the problem with this line of thinking is that they are hoping to become the next skimming official.  Not hoping for a less corrupt regime. 

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6 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I think the problem with this line of thinking is that they are hoping to become the next skimming official.  Not hoping for a less corrupt regime. 

I think you underestimate the level of idiocy in Russia.  Anyone with any ability or talent leaves, be it via athletics or brains.  Anyone left is a knuckle dragger or just smart enough to sort of manage a bunch of knuckle draggers.  

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2 hours ago, Rimbo said:

 

I think Moscow Central Clinical Hospital is the last place on earth I’d want to be “cared” for if I was Lukashenko.

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3 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I think you underestimate the level of idiocy in Russia.  Anyone with any ability or talent or attractive woman leaves, be it via athletics or brains OnlyFans.  Anyone left is a knuckle dragger or just smart enough to sort of manage a bunch of knuckle draggers.  

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