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[956 Worldwide 34714]

The video purporting to be of the explosion last night is from 2022 FYSA. It’s very possible that neglect and purposeful incompetence did this.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2022/nov/12/footage-shows-massive-explosion-at-dam-in-kherson-video

 

[RDCanecutter 26438]

2 hours ago, Rimbo said:

I mean there's just no dam way Ukraine can lose now

 

Don't hold it in. Let it all flow out of you.

[InkaUtexas 25934]

Was wondering that, well we blew it up, why fix it, and it collapsed. But hearing some chatter about an explosion tonight. Will post what I see. Late night ahead! 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

Follow on link is interesting. So not the first time a dam like this has been used to stop potential attacks. 

 

[SL Xpress 7513]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Follow on link is interesting. So not the first time a dam like this has been used to stop potential attacks. 

 

I wouldn't say they stopped it, Bob. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

6 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I wouldn't say they stopped it, Bob. 

I said potential. Ukraine will just go around! Take a U-turn Sergei, let's go via Belarus. 

[956 Worldwide 34714]

I didn’t see this in all the news about the dam. Hoping it comes through— the Hornet is a great aircraft for them and there’s more of them floating around (and more to become available) than you may realize. Finland, Canada, and Spain all fly them right now, the Finns are going F-35 and the Canadians likely will too. 
 

 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I didn’t see this in all the news about the dam. Hoping it comes through— the Hornet is a great aircraft for them and there’s more of them floating around (and more to become available) than you may realize. Finland, Canada, and Spain all fly them right now, the Finns are going F-35 and the Canadians likely will too. 
 

 

Canada announced moving to the F-35. 

Good fit, and get more of the F-16's to NATO allies in exchange for the Russian aircraft Ukraine can fly AND maintain today. 

Thank you Putin, you master of strategy, we are going to unify NATO like never before. 

Oh, and stop blowing up shit. 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

not proved, but pretty reliable source. seen on a few links. Ukrainian Beaver brigade. Putin will claim they are secret Canadian NATO forces. 

 

[SL Xpress 7513]

33 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I didn’t see this in all the news about the dam. Hoping it comes through— the Hornet is a great aircraft for them and there’s more of them floating around (and more to become available) than you may realize. Finland, Canada, and Spain all fly them right now, the Finns are going F-35 and the Canadians likely will too. 
 

 

Shorter runway required. Not nearly as little tolerance for debris as the F-16. Much more compact maintenance systems. I'm not saying easier, necessarily, but compact because of the need to be carrier ready. Two engines. 

I wish there was some way to modernize their suite before handing them over so they are true 4.5 generation aircraft. I don't know what kind of upgrades these planes have. I did like the part of them not operating at sea so they're in better shape than they otherwise would be. 

This would be huge. It sounds like it's practically a done deal, too. It says four months to get them to Ukraine. I know we'd all love it to be sooner, but 4 months sounds like a much better time frame than I thought it might be for western fighters to be deployed. 

Great catch, 956 Worldwide. Thanks for sharing.

[SL Xpress 7513]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

not proved, but pretty reliable source. seen on a few links. Ukrainian Beaver brigade. Putin will claim they are secret Canadian NATO forces. 

 

I mean, I know of a place not too far upstream that could use a REALLY BIG beaver dam right about now. 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

5 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

I mean, I know of a place not too far upstream that could use a REALLY BIG beaver dam right about now. 

that or South Austin's mom could use a beaver dam. Too soon? I did come from the site to be never named. Thanks to @RDCanecutter

[956 Worldwide 34714]

4.5 gen aircraft remain important, in-demand assets for the U.S. and other NATO Allies, a lot of what makes them “4.5 gen” are radars and other systems that we have in true 5th gen aircraft. It’s unlikely that we’d pass that off to Ukraine even if the timeline allowed it, given that we are removing even less sensitive systems from things like the Abrams they are getting. 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

5 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

4.5 gen aircraft remain important, in-demand assets for the U.S. and other NATO Allies, a lot of what makes them “4.5 gen” are radars and other systems that we have in true 5th gen aircraft. It’s unlikely that we’d pass that off to Ukraine even if the timeline allowed it, given that we are removing even less sensitive systems from things like the Abrams they are getting. 

Agree, but right now they have to hold their own, until Summer I fear. Hit where they can, if they can exploit, great. 

But they will be in NATO at some point and I would trust them (especially after this) like I would the Finns, Canadians and Spanish with some serious equipment. I live with a Canadian. His joke about the CF-18 vs. the F-18 is ours can see shit. 

Basically with the Scandanavians, Canada, Japan and the US running F-35's that is one hell of an integrated element. Plus we can recycle our C-C people who can talk to F-18's. 

Ukraine wins, they get them. 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

more on the dam. TL;DR- Shits ferked. Lot of water. No repair. 

 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

too good to be true, but..... We can hope. Putin's Generals at their finest? This rivals the 800KM convoy where troops froze. 

 

[SL Xpress 7513]

23 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

more on the dam. TL;DR- Shits ferked. Lot of water. No repair. 

 

Reports that 16,000 people live in critical risk zones downstream. Evacuations have already begun. 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

Interesting. Looking at this angle the shit broke into the center. That is where the Russian's hit it the first time. Russia "kind of" controlled the dam, but those clean breaks were not airstrikes. This dudes says there were no air attacks. Smart engineers please chime in. 

 

[SL Xpress 7513]

5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

too good to be true, but..... We can hope. Putin's Generals at their finest? This rivals the 800KM convoy where troops froze. 

 

Meh. They knew. They didn't care. 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

Call in the Tractor brigade. Haul them to the UA side and use em. 

 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

6 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Reports that 16,000 people live in critical risk zones downstream. Evacuations have already begun. 

Add to that those that got their water from there. All the flooded fields. 

[956 Worldwide 34714]

I won’t link to the sites, but TASS now claims Ukraine used a Storm Shadow to blow up the dam.  Of course you knew this was coming, and note how it changed from “shelling.” 

[InkaUtexas 25934]

9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I won’t link to the sites, but TASS now claims Ukraine used a Storm Shadow to blow up the dam.  Of course you knew this was coming, and note how it changed from “shelling.” 

Seeing the same, but no one on the ground reports airstrikes. Talked to a buddy. He said, nah, that fucker either collapsed from the first Russian mining or was hit on the inside. Oh, and now seeing Russian side is mined and blowing up. Old ass pressure mines is my guess. Snow will set them off. 

Now, for payback also seeing calls to use Storm Shadows on the Bitch Putin Bridge of All Glory. Tit for Tat. 

And Rules matter. So here is a Ukrainian soldier pointing at her Tit. Sorry, armor is covering up the Tat. 

 

[Parliament 14258]

2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Interesting. Looking at this angle the shit broke into the center. That is where the Russian's hit it the first time. Russia "kind of" controlled the dam, but those clean breaks were not airstrikes. This dudes says there were no air attacks. Smart engineers please chime in. 

 

Don't worry, Guys.  Seymour Hersh s gonna get to the bottom of this!

[The Dog 44046]

 

[locodos 5387]

 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

7 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

This is Ruzzia doing their raccoon imitation: If they can’t eat it, drink it, fuck it, or steal it, then shit on it and fuck it up.

You said fuck twice.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4976]

6 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Great squad and fire technique. 

 

Interesting. Homeboy with the helmet cam is running an M16 variant, while his buddy to the right has an AK variant. I'm sure Russian logistics is having no problem keeping them supplied with the proper ammo.

[gmr548 16580]

To those faint of heart, the videos coming out now from the region are quite rough. Not saying who did it (Fuck the Russian Nazi bastards) but damn. Farms and villages just going under. 
 

more on the dam. TL;DR- Shits ferked. Lot of water. No repair. 
 

Reports that 16,000 people live in critical risk zones downstream. Evacuations have already begun. 

I think the human and environmental toll of this is being lost in the discussion of who did it (agree I think you have to lean Russia unless shown otherwise) and what the impact will be on the fighting. This is a massive disaster, incredibly sad. It says something about the brutality of the conflict that we can be numb to that.

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

16 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

I think the human and environmental toll of this is being lost in the discussion of who did it (agree I think you have to lean Russia unless shown otherwise) and what the impact will be on the fighting. This is a massive disaster, incredibly sad. It says something about the brutality of the conflict that we can be numb to that.

 

 

If this also results in a meltdown it could contaminate the river and the water supply for generations. 

[956 Worldwide 34714]

5 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Agree, but right now they have to hold their own, until Summer I fear. Hit where they can, if they can exploit, great. 

But they will be in NATO at some point and I would trust them (especially after this) like I would the Finns, Canadians and Spanish with some serious equipment. I live with a Canadian. His joke about the CF-18 vs. the F-18 is ours can see shit. 

Basically with the Scandanavians, Canada, Japan and the US running F-35's that is one hell of an integrated element. Plus we can recycle our C-C people who can talk to F-18's. 

Ukraine wins, they get them. 

I’d think the main worry would be loss of an airframe than that the AFU would compromise the tech.

In any case, I was reading on The Warzone that these F-18s are upgraded to about C/D capability. And important— they’ve been in service with the Australian Air Force, so not exposed to salt water or bouncing around on a carrier. They should be pretty good airplanes.  And the Hornet is a more robust airplane than an F-16 because it was designed for carrier ops, a bit better for Ukrainian use. 

[Captainant 27664]

24 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

I think the human and environmental toll of this is being lost in the discussion of who did it (agree I think you have to lean Russia unless shown otherwise) and what the impact will be on the fighting. This is a massive disaster, incredibly sad. It says something about the brutality of the conflict that we can be numb to that.

 

 

Isn't that resivior one of the primary water sources for the Crimean peninsula? Plus with the flooding, a huge chunk of prime farmland is underwater and not growing much needed food. 

Russia is just causing damage and chaos on their way out now

[956 Worldwide 34714]

27 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

 

 

I think the human and environmental toll of this is being lost in the discussion of who did it (agree I think you have to lean Russia unless shown otherwise) and what the impact will be on the fighting. This is a massive disaster, incredibly sad. It says something about the brutality of the conflict that we can be numb to that.

 

 

Would love to hear from an engineer on this. I’m nothing of the sort, but I can’t see how this came apart short of something like a direct cruise missile hit, or more likely being mined from the inside. Or failing due other reasons, not sabotage.

I feel good dismissing the “Storm Shadow” theory, as I can’t see how Ukraine would recover from using Western weapons to do this. They’d never get what they wanted. 

[956 Worldwide 34714]

Fuck the UN tho, FR. 

[Hefeweizen 5321]

6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Would love to hear from an engineer on this. I’m nothing of the sort, but I can’t see how this came apart short of something like a direct cruise missile hit, or more likely being mined from the inside. Or failing due other reasons, not sabotage.

I feel good dismissing the “Storm Shadow” theory, as I can’t see how Ukraine would recover from using Western weapons to do this. They’d never get what they wanted. 

Engineer here, do design of some small dams from time to time.  Demo of a dam is fairly simple if you have access to its base.  You just need a breach to start and it will go quickly, because water will find a way through it.  Could a single missile do it?  Unlikely but a bunker Buster might.  On the other hand, planting explosives at the downstream base and in the intake and release structures would certainly do it with minimal chance of not working.

 

 The pictures I’ve seen show a narrow breach which indicates no catastrophic structural failure, just a breach.  It’s probably still a total rebuild but I don’t see evidence of a huge flood wave resulting from it.  I’ll read up some more of it today.

Edited June 6, 2023 by Hefeweizen

[The Dog 44046]

9 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Fuck the UN tho, FR. 

 

[SydneyCarton 48101]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

 

Man. That’s some top notch gallows humor. 

[Hefeweizen 5321]

Went and watched some videos of the breached flow.  That’s a lot of flow.  The amount of sediment moving from the reservoir is going to be incredible.  The damage is going to unreal downstream on the low bank.  
 

I also thought some more about this and the most damage would have been done with explosives in the emergency relief pipes, especially in the wet side because of the basically incompressible nature of water, which means the energy of an explosion can be directed toward the structure.

[dimyh 1874]

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

You said fuck twice.

Ruzzia haz a lot of moral fuckittude.

[morehornsepower 887]

Not a lot of discussion on the fact that there was obvious damage to the road and structure that showed up between 28 May and 5 June. Assuming those related pics are real, I wonder if Russia, in their standard incompetence, was trying to destroy some remaining part of the road and inadvertently caused the structure to fail.  

[Macanudo 12978]

From a tactical point of view, this benefits the Russians.   It seems pretty straight forward from a military perspective to blow the damn to limit Ukrainian mobility in that sector.  

Strategically, it hurts the Russian in Crimea and hurts the Ukrainians everywhere.  

[Parliament 14258]

God they are so Aggy.

[PTINS 3467]

7 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I didn’t see this in all the news about the dam. Hoping it comes through— the Hornet is a great aircraft for them and there’s more of them floating around (and more to become available) than you may realize. Finland, Canada, and Spain all fly them right now, the Finns are going F-35 and the Canadians likely will too. 
 

 

time to "Start the Music"

  

[Nivek 16929]

13 hours ago, BamaATL said:

For a moment I thought you were highlighting the pinnacle of American engineering, the 86 Buick Regal Grand National (T-type, 1987 Turbo T, and 1987's GNX and 1989 Pontiac Trans Am).  It's been down hill ever since then, to be sure.  

Corrected. 

[The Dog 44046]

 

[Nivek 16929]

1 hour ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

If this also results in a meltdown it could contaminate the river and the water supply for generations. 

The sanctions should not end until Ukraine is completely rebuilt and all those responsible for this are in jail or dead.     

[AUS-97HORN 11759]

5 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

unless thats photoshoped thats some next-level Baghdad Bob level of idiocy

[BamaATL 16593]

7 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

unless thats photoshoped thats some next-level Baghdad Bob level of idiocy

Holy shitballs, I'm sort of impressed with level of dishonesty.  

[The Dog 44046]

11 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

unless thats photoshoped thats some next-level Baghdad Bob level of idiocy

 

2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Holy shitballs, I'm sort of impressed with level of dishonesty.  

Another option is he was ordered to do it and has the window behind him on purpose. That way he can say he followed directions while still showing everyone the truth.