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[SL Xpress 7518]

19 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

wait

they do actually have a navy?

Well, they don't have many ships any more. A bunch were captured in Crimea but then returned. A bunch more were captured in Berdyansk. Their main frigate that was capable of missions away from port was scuttled towards the start of the invasion. 

They've never had much of a fleet, and did nothing to invest in it following independence in 1991. All of their ships were/are inherited from the Soviet Union. The loss of Sevastopol was pretty crippling, since a huge amount of the support facilities were located there. 

The marines were officially separated from the Navy on May 23, so now they're an independent service of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[SL Xpress 7518]

 

[atomheartbevo 89799]

1 hour ago, cactusflinthead said:

Wait a second. Are we supposed to be super concerned about the money we send to a war zone getting used properly?

I got some bad news for you about us.

Edit; the problems we had in places like Nicaragua, El Salvador, and Iraq don't appear to be happening. We have a long and sordid history of looking the other way in regards to misappropriation of funds.

I feel like not a day goes by where we don't see some kind of video proof of the aid/weapons we are sending being used against the Russians.

This was pretty much a lot of us the first few months when we were sending them Javelins and then watching the highlight reels.

And now they are getting cruise missiles and main battle tanks.

[atomheartbevo 89799]

Still crazy about the dam thing.

Whoever was in charge had absolutely no confidence in Russian troops holding at the Dnipro.

And they seemed very certain that the Ukrainians were about to cross it.

[atomheartbevo 89799]

Bragging about the dam on state TV

[Schulz2.0 29011]

 

[Schulz2.0 29011]

Shit ton of fish stranded by receding flood waters.

 

[956 Worldwide 34772]

58 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

They’re being replaced by a mix of Bell Vipers/Venoms, first deliveries slated for sometime this year. 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1732]

 

[locodos 5393]

40 minutes ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

Cheers to this guy.  He has somehow monetized the ability to look at maps and talk about them into a camera.  I've watched his videos that have been posted and I feel like Mugatu.

[KYHorn 17159]

 

[KYHorn 17159]

 

[statsman 5479]

Wrt the dam- if I had to bet, my money would be on Russia blowing the dam and lying about it. That said- I would be extremely surprised if Ukraine didn’t have contingency planning for the blown dam incorporated into their strategy. 
 

(it would not shock me if Ukraine blew -and, no, I have no idea of the mechanism they would use for such an explosion-it because they knew the Russians were holding that as a “card” to play, and they wanted that card played at a time of Ukraine’s choosing)

Edited June 7, 2023 by statsman

[Nivek 16986]

11 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

The world should treat Russia blowing that dam is if they launched a nuke. 

They are a truly inhumane race and deserve extermination. 

I am not quite at the level of genocide, and this is who they have always been.  How are any of you moved or surprised?  They were purposefully risking the damage and instability of a shitty Russian-designed nuke power plant and raping the people who kept it going, and they are shooting at civilians blowing up homes, and destroying everything they come across. How is blowing up a dam crossing the rubicon?   

 

[Captainant 27772]

2 minutes ago, statsman said:

Wrt the dam- if I had to bet, my money would be on Russia blowing the dam and lying about it. That said- I would be extremely surprised if Ukraine didn’t have contingency planning for the blown dam incorporated into their strategy. 

I don't think Ukraine would elect to destroy a massive chunk of prime farm land, take out 350MW of electricity generation, and destroy a major water source for the entire Crimean peninsula. Russia is salting the earth as they withdraw. 

I'm sure Ukraine has a contingency for the blown dam, but there's going to be significant humanitarian issues with food and water on top of the strategic shift

[MissingInAction 25187]

36 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I am not quite at the level of genocide, and this is who they have always been.  How are any of you moved or surprised?  They were purposefully risking the damage and instability of a shitty Russian-designed nuke power plant and raping the people who kept it going, and they are shooting at civilians blowing up homes, and destroying everything they come across. How is blowing up a dam crossing the rubicon?   

 

They crossed the Rubicon with the kidnapping and "adoption" of Ukrainian children.

This outrageous atrocity of blowing the dam, which will only delay their inevitable defeat, is just the war crime cherry on top of their cake of atrocities.

[InkaUtexas 26109]

Damn this is some precision. I can barely film my dog running. 

 

[AUS-97HORN 11823]

10 hours ago, Parliament said:

I presume the usual internet Russian-apologist doofuses are all flaking out and blaming Ukraine for blowing up that dam.  

havent seen any posts on here with that, but, keep in mind Mullet still has a day or so left on his 1 week ban from last weeks idiocy.    I wouldnt doubt their bots are saying that on all social media sites.

[SquishMitten 10435]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

I don't think Ukraine would elect to destroy a massive chunk of prime farm land, take out 350MW of electricity generation, and destroy a major water source for the entire Crimean peninsula. Russia is salting the earth as they withdraw. 

I'm sure Ukraine has a contingency for the blown dam, but there's going to be significant humanitarian issues with food and water on top of the strategic shift

It also makes the loss of Crimea more palatable to the Russian populace. Putin can now say "since Ukraine blew the damn, the peninsula lost all of its value so we don't want it anymore."

[HOOKEM4 5044]

5 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

It also makes the loss of Crimea more palatable to the Russian populace. Putin can now say "since Ukraine blew the damn, the peninsula lost all of its value so we don't want it anymore."

I have no doubt they will sell it as a win somehow, but we all know the real reason they wanted Crimea. The real value was never what was on top of the ground.

[The Dog 44140]

 

[Bevo 13601]

33 minutes ago, HOOKEM4 said:

I have no doubt they will sell it as a win somehow, but we all know the real reason they wanted Crimea. The real value was never what was on top of the ground.

Russia has always wanted a warm water port from as long as I can remember.

[Macanudo 13012]

14 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Russia has always wanted a warm water port from as long as I can remember.

As long as you can remember?   Try since Peter was the Tsar.

[SL Xpress 7518]

2 hours ago, Nivek said:

I am not quite at the level of genocide, and this is who they have always been.  How are any of you moved or surprised?  They were purposefully risking the damage and instability of a shitty Russian-designed nuke power plant and raping the people who kept it going, and they are shooting at civilians blowing up homes, and destroying everything they come across. How is blowing up a dam crossing the rubicon?   

 

 

gen·o·cide

[ˈjenəˌsīd]

 

NOUN

1. the deliberate killing or severe mistreatment of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group:

   "a campaign of genocide" 

    

   _____________________________________________________________________

    

   Putin launched the invasion with the express intent to make Ukraine nonexistent. The Russians aren't putting Ukrainians on trains to put them in ovens, but outside of that, everything they've done is without a doubt exactly what genocide is. They target children with attempts to brainwash them. They destroy anything written in Ukrainian. They literally put bullets in the back of civilians' heads wholescale. They destroy any piece of art or anything else of Ukrainian cultural value. They blow up prisoner of war camps to kill the captives there. They make medical facilities and personnel high value targets.

    

   I mean, I'm with you on the blowing up of the dam. 

    

   I'll also say I'd enter into some kind of negotiations with Russia to make the nuclear power plant some kind of demilitarized zone. I realize the Russians can't be bargained with in good faith, but anything that lessens the chances of the eventual meltdown of those reactors would be worth paying a very high price, outside of allowing the aggression to stand. As I said before, it's a significant jump in consequences to go from blowing up the dam to doing the same thing in some way to the Zaporizhzhia power plant...but not insurmountable ones. It doesn't even have to be a carrot. Could be leave the area or NATO will take it by force. I don't think anyone is willing to do that, but they should be. 

    

   To me allowing the nuclear power plant to go into meltdown, or the use of tactical nuclear weapons, is the crossing of the rubicon that we haven't seen, yet.  

Edited June 7, 2023 by SL Xpress

[cactusflinthead 27602]

1 hour ago, AUS-97HORN said:

havent seen any posts on here with that, but, keep in mind Mullet still has a day or so left on his 1 week ban from last weeks idiocy.    I wouldnt doubt their bots are saying that on all social media sites.

It's already done.

On 6/5/2023 at 9:52 PM, Mullet Free said

NO I am not going to quote that asshole 

 

[The Dog 44140]

 

[Gatorubet 30313]

24 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

[tx ind 7013]

1 hour ago, HOOKEM4 said:

I have no doubt they will sell it as a win somehow, but we all know the real reason they wanted Crimea. The real value was never what was on top of the ground.

[Dahobbs 17682]

 

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Russia has always wanted a warm water port from as long as I can remember.

 

35 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

As long as you can remember?   Try since Peter was the Tsar.

As long as @Armybrat can remember? 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Dahobbs

[SL Xpress 7518]

1 minute ago, tx ind said:

It can be all of the above. 

- access/ownership to natural resources off the coast

- possession of Sevastopol, which carries massive emotional and historical weight to Russians, not to mention is a significant Naval port.

- possession of Crimea itself, which has been largely Russian since Stalin forcibly exported the remaining Crimean Tartars to Siberia and started bringing in Russian citizens. From 1991 to 2014, Crimea was one of the highest Oblasts in terms of percentage of votes cast for Russian friendly politicians

- because they could. The Ukraine government was in turmoil, with no one really knowing who should be in charge after Yanukovych fled. Many of the top admiralty were known to be loyal to Russia and would switch sides immediately given the opportunity. In particular, Sergei Yeliseyev, the acting commander of the entire Ukraine Navy, who is now Deputy Chief of the Russian Baltic Fleet, and Denis Berezovsky, who was appointed commander in chief after Yeliseyev defected, also defected, and is now the deputy commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The takeover of Ukraine Navy assets in the Crimean operation was largely an inside job. 

Trying to pin the takeover of Crimea on any one of those bullet points is missing the bigger picture. 

[Chad Fuck 17777]

1 minute ago, SL Xpress said:

It can be all of the above. 

- access/ownership to natural resources off the coast

- possession of Sevastopol, which carries massive emotional and historical weight to Russians, not to mention is a significant Naval port.

- possession of Crimea itself, which has been largely Russian since Stalin forcibly exported the remaining Crimean Tartars to Siberia and started bringing in Russian citizens. From 1991 to 2014, Crimea was one of the highest Oblasts in terms of percentage of votes cast for Russian friendly politicians

- because they could. The Ukraine government was in turmoil, with no one really knowing who should be in charge after Yanukovych fled. Many of the top admiralty were known to be loyal to Russia and would switch sides immediately given the opportunity. In particular, Sergei Yeliseyev, the acting commander of the entire Ukraine Navy, who is now Deputy Chief of the Russian Baltic Fleet, and Denis Berezovsky, who was appointed commander in chief after Yeliseyev defected, also defected, and is now the deputy commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet. The takeover of Ukraine Navy assets in the Crimean operation was largely an inside job. 

Trying to pin the takeover of Crimea on any one of those bullet points is missing the bigger picture. 

All of this makes me think once Russia is pushed out that Ukraine is going to get into the navy business right quick.  Can you imagine how pissed off the Russians would be with having a squadron of P-8s moving in and out of Sevastopol and environs?  Delicious. 

[Nivek 16986]

33 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

 

gen·o·cide

[ˈjenəˌsīd]

 

NOUN

1. the deliberate killing or severe mistreatment of a large number of people from a particular national or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group:

   "a campaign of genocide" 

    

   _____________________________________________________________________

    

   Putin launched the invasion with the express intent to make Ukraine nonexistent. The Russians aren't putting Ukrainians on trains to put them in ovens, but outside of that, everything they've done is without a doubt exactly what genocide is. They target children with attempts to brainwash them. They destroy anything written in Ukrainian. They literally put bullets in the back of civilians' heads wholescale. They destroy any piece of art or anything else of Ukrainian cultural value. They blow up prisoner of war camps to kill the captives there. They make medical facilities and personnel high value targets.

    

   I mean, I'm with you on the blowing up of the dam. 

    

   I'll also say I'd enter into some kind of negotiations with Russia to make the nuclear power plant some kind of demilitarized zone. I realize the Russians can't be bargained with in good faith, but anything that lessens the chances of the eventual meltdown of those reactors would be worth paying a very high price, outside of allowing the aggression to stand. As I said before, it's a significant jump in consequences to go from blowing up the dam to doing the same thing in some way to the Zaporizhzhia power plant...but not insurmountable ones. It doesn't even have to be a carrot. Could be leave the area or NATO will take it by force. I don't think anyone is willing to do that, but they should be. 

    

   To me allowing the nuclear power plant to go into meltdown, or the use of tactical nuclear weapons, is the crossing of the rubicon that we haven't seen, yet.  

?  I said I wasn't at the point of genocide against Russians.  

[Brisketexan 105337]

15 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Fortunately, several countries have committed a shit ton of money to reconstruction already. There will be a ton of foreign companies moving in to accept that money and the rebuilding process should essentially continue building on itself. Money there, improvements made, jobs increase, property becomes more valuable, and more money is naturally put towards it.

One important thing to think about is the the reconstruction should not just be an opportunity for western enterprises to swoop in as profiteers.  The rebuilding of Ukraine should be for Ukrainians, and done largely BY Ukrainians.  Sure, partnerships between Ukrainian firms/enterprises and Western enterprises will need to happen.  But Halliburton's Construction and De-Mining Services shouldn't just get a $100 billion no-bid contract paid by the US Gov't to go in there and do the job of Ukrainians.

15 hours ago, Parliament said:

It's fair to be concerned about a soon-to-be free Ukraine regressing, as we've seen it elsewhere.  One presumes the NGO's are working on plans to help make that not happen.  

Similar comment as above.  One of the biggest job of our NGOs should be planning for the building and equipping of Ukrainian institutions and NGOs that can serve Ukraine internally.

Having ownership in your own reconstruction and future is huge, and can also be a limiting factor for potential corruption.

3 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 

Someone must have told them there's looted jewish gold to be found in Ukraine.

[SL Xpress 7518]

3 minutes ago, Nivek said:

?  I said I wasn't at the point of genocide against Russians.  

Gotcha. I misunderstood. You're saying you wouldn't be in favor of wiping Russia and Russians off the map. I can't imagine I'll ever go there literally. I get people like to say things like that rhetorically, but I find that dangerous, mostly because I'm convinced there's an evolutionary component where we're predisposed as a species to seek that as a solution, and so feeding into it in any way is not smart. Even jokingly. But that's me.

Anyway, thank you for the clarification. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Armybrat 40911]

8 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

One important thing to think about is the the reconstruction should not just be an opportunity for western enterprises to swoop in as profiteers.  The rebuilding of Ukraine should be for Ukrainians, and done largely BY Ukrainians.  Sure, partnerships between Ukrainian firms/enterprises and Western enterprises will need to happen.  But Halliburton's Construction and De-Mining Services shouldn't just get a $100 billion no-bid contract paid by the US Gov't to go in there and do the job of Ukrainians.

Similar comment as above.  One of the biggest job of our NGOs should be planning for the building and equipping of Ukrainian institutions and NGOs that can serve Ukraine internally.

Having ownership in your own reconstruction and future is huge, and can also be a limiting factor for potential corruption.

Someone must have told them there's looted jewish gold to be found in Ukraine.

And don’t allow Brown & Root or any of its subsidiaries in the country.

[Brisketexan 105337]

Just now, Armybrat said:

And don’t allow Brown & Root or any of its subsidiaries in the country.

"Oh, no sir, Crown & Toot is a totally different enterprise.  Pay no attention to the fact that we're owned by a 47-layer web of Swiss, Delaware, Panamanian, and Liberian shell companies - we are a brand new enterprise, with no connections to those other guys.  So, we're perfectly qualified to be awarded that $100 billion no-bid contract.  Our recording secretary, Salma Hayek, will escort you to our bedroom/office for your signature now."

[Armybrat 40911]

1 minute ago, Armybrat said:

And don’t allow Brown & Root or any of its subsidiaries in the country.

Well furk, I forgot Halliburton bought B&R decades ago.

[SydneyCarton 48171]

12 hours ago, Rimbo said:

On the flip side, while everyone's wondering about the dam, the counteroffensive is happening.

Is it for real, yet, or still just shaping. Listen, with the Dnipro flooding, at this point if Ukraine is focusing elsewhere they need to take some storm shadows and ruin the kerch bridge. The aqueducts are fucked so feel free to finish the job and isolate that place for good. 

3 hours ago, Nivek said:

I am not quite at the level of genocide, and this is who they have always been.  How are any of you moved or surprised?  They were purposefully risking the damage and instability of a shitty Russian-designed nuke power plant and raping the people who kept it going, and they are shooting at civilians blowing up homes, and destroying everything they come across. How is blowing up a dam crossing the rubicon?   

 

Does magnifying the damage as an ecological disaster that can result in worldwide famine take things up another notch? It should, imo. 

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

As long as you can remember?   Try since Peter was the Tsar.

Technically that would include as long as he could remember...

[Nivek 16986]

56 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

I like the car steering wheel and instrument cluster.   I wonder if the airbag works.  

[Nivek 16986]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

But Halliburton's Construction and De-Mining Services shouldn't just get a $100 billion no-bid contract paid by the US Gov't to go in there and do the job of Ukrainians.

 

As someone who may hold some Haliburton stock, kindly STFU.  I need some no-bid contracts....

[Nivek 16986]

11 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Gotcha. I misunderstood. You're saying you wouldn't be in favor of wiping Russia and Russians off the map. I can't imagine I'll ever go there literally. I get people like to say things like that rhetorically, but I find that dangerous, mostly because I'm convinced there's an evolutionary component where we're predisposed as a species to seek that as a solution, and so feeding into it in any way is not smart. Even jokingly. But that's me.

Anyway, thank you for the clarification. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

That was the point.  MIA made what I assume/hope was a flippant remark.  I assume the droopy "now that makes me mad" reaction to the dogs swimming is also just an exaggeration.  

[JesusSweatDuck 17810]

4 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I like the car steering wheel and instrument cluster.   I wonder if the airbag works.  

It does but it shoots shards of metal through your chest.

[BamaATL 16593]

Grain of salt, but hopium

 

 

[SL Xpress 7518]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Is it for real, yet, or still just shaping.

 

No heavy armor, yet. Just recon in force in multiple areas. So it depends on how we're defining the start of the counter offensive. In the broadest definition, Ukraine hasn't engaged in offensive operations on this scale since right after Kherson was liberated, when they were still trying to press on multiple fronts with limited success, which shortly stopped. So for me, yes, it's started. In some places there are reports they've advanced as much as 5 to 10 kilometers in the last few days, successfully clearing out several mine fields during operations. 

But the major counter offensive hasn't begun, yet. One Ukraine general said it was much like obscenity, we'll know it when we see it. 

[Bevo 13601]

1 hour ago, Macanudo said:

As long as you can remember?   Try since Peter was the Tsar.

I meant the statement a little more figuratively - knowing it wasn't literally "always" wanting a warm water port. Thanks for placing it at Peter the Great, though. Shit, that kind of makes it "always".

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

12 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Well furk, I forgot Halliburton bought B&R decades ago.

and then Halliburton spun them off into KBR 17 years ago

[Macanudo 13012]

11 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I like the car steering wheel and instrument cluster.   I wonder if the airbag works.  

I think the unused plate face on the right is for an 8-track player.

[Brisketexan 105337]

5 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

One Ukraine general said it was much like obscenity, we'll know it when we see it. 

Either way, you're going to see a lot of Russians get fucked, brutally.

[SL Xpress 7518]

Zelensky saying a major deal on F-16s is imminent:

https://ca.style.yahoo.com/zelenskiy-says-awaits-final-agreements-033240834.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABlja0AAPbMfkP32nX_lRimo3ZXL_EjTGE0cJjXHdgkw8Fu0VNV1UQlxyBH85SuR2rTwZa-TdoilRV1f2nlA-1QsSTyMXdZcrgP161V7ptzgMJF-CWuBdVC05vzLoqmz9wRhIX-Q6h6RmS90mqaNZznopaLmAyThjO_ySHZIc0FN

Spoiler

Zelenskiy says awaits final agreements on 'powerful' F16 jets offer

 

Reuters

Tue, June 6, 2023 at 10:32 p.m. CDT·1 min read

 

 

 

Military parade marking an anniversary of the "Ochi" (No) Day in Thessaloniki

(Reuters) - Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Tuesday he received "a serious, powerful" offer from leaders of countries ready to provide Kyiv with F-16 fighter jets and is awaiting final agreements with key allies.

"Our partners know how many aircraft we need," Zelenskiy was quoted as saying in a statement on his website. "I have already received an understanding of the number from some of our European partners ... It is a serious, powerful offer."

Kyiv now awaits a final agreement with its allies, including "a joint agreement with the United States," Zelenskiy said.

It is still unclear which Kyiv's allies are ready to send the jets to Ukraine.

U.S. President Joe Biden told G7 leaders last month that Washington supported joint allied training programmes for Ukrainian pilots on F-16s. But U.S. National Security adviser Jake Sullivan has said there was no final decision on Washington sending aircraft.

Zelenskiy has long appealed for the F-16 jets, saying their appearance with Ukrainian pilots would be a sure signal from the world that Russia's invasion would end in defeat.

Russia said on Tuesday that U.S.-built F-16 fighter jets can "accommodate" nuclear weapons and warned that supplying Kyiv with them will escalate the conflict further.

 

[The Dog 44140]

11 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Grain of salt, but hopium

 

 

and towards Tokmak (on the road to Melitopol):