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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Are Harpoons much of a threat to modern defenses on big ships? Low, slow flying, 1970s era missile seems like it would be a pretty easy target absent some aggressive missile spam. 

We now have the AGM-158 LRASM.  It's a much longer-range missile than the Harpoon and stealthy.  They were working on fitting them to the P-8A, but I don't know if they are operational yet.  

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17 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

We now have the AGM-158 LRASM.  It's a much longer-range missile than the Harpoon and stealthy.  They were working on fitting them to the P-8A, but I don't know if they are operational yet.  

We can also literally dump them out of a C-130(12 missiles) or C-17 (45 missiles) by the dozen. Frankly, giving Ukraine a C-17and Rapid Dragon would probably do more to reshape the battlefield than hundreds of F-16s. 

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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

ATACMS cost a hell of a lot more than GMLRs. You really wouldn't want to use the former on a target that could be serviced by the later.  ATACMS and Storm Shadow would seem to overlap on intended targets. While I have no doubt that ATACMS could be used, I'm just not sure I understand why it is a need if the same targets (and further away targets) can be serviced with Storm Shadow. 

 

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

Storm Shadows are subsonic and fly low to the ground.  ATACMS is over mach 3 and comes down at the target from above.  That makes a huge difference when it comes to shooting them down.

 

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/atacms-the-weapon-ukraine-needs-to-stun-russia-but/

 

ATACMS will take a year to get to Ukraine because they come direct from the manufacturer and they are out of production so a new production cycle needs to be started.

Obligatory plug for the Grim Reapers aviation milsim group on youtube who've tested ATACMS against russian air defenses on the Crimean bridge

They've also done some crazy rapid dragon "what-if" videos if you're into that sorta thing (edit: it's in spoiler below because it's allsome). For context: these guys predicted that Patriot would intercept the khinzal hypersonic missile, and have been on-point with their Ukraine War analysis

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A helpful summary of the geopolitical dynamics in Niger with an emphasis on Russia and the West.

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Very long post on Niger, Africa-Russia summit, and the unfolding events. The unfolding situation in Niger and the Africa-Russia summit need to be examined in a more comprehensive geopolitical context. Ever since Russia's emergence as a significant player on the world stage, underscored by its military interventions in Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), and Syria (2015), it has been re-establishing old Soviet channels of influence in Africa as part of a strategy for vertical geopolitical expansion spanning the Arctic, Eurasia, the South Caucasus, the Middle East, and increasingly Africa.
Russia has signed military cooperation agreements with several Sahel countries, including Chad, Niger, and Nigeria in August 2017; Guinea in April 2018; Burkina Faso in August 2018; and Mali in June 2019.
Niger's strategic importance has grown exponentially for several reasons. Firstly, the country boasts vast uranium reserves. Secondly, France, the US, and Russia are actively involved in counterterrorism efforts in the region. Thirdly, Turkey and the UAE view Niger as a crucial player in their ongoing rivalry in Libya.
In 2021, Russia worked to promote anti-French narratives in Africa and boost its soft power in Mali, the CAR, and Niger at France's expense. With Mali and Chad under military rule, Niger has become an increasingly crucial part of the US and France's Sahel strategies. Niger has experienced a coup attempt in late March 2022, refugee influxes, and a rise in terrorist attacks, enhancing its geo-strategic importance.
The military junta in Mali's alliance with Russia and its strained relations with France have turned Niger into the central hub of European counterterrorism efforts in the Sahel. Burkina Faso and Guinea, despite their military regimes, have avoided the sanctions that Mali received from the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), as they have been granted extra time to negotiate.
The Wagner Group's activities in Mali, which Chad and Niger oppose, may have influenced this disparate treatment. However, as we moved into the end of 2022, Russian media highlighted the potential for Wagner Group private military contractors to be deployed in Niger.
Russia's long-term goal is to prevent Niger's uranium mines from falling into French hands. The coup in Niger has been a topic at the Russia-Africa Summit. Mohamed Bazoum's absence from the summit was interpreted on Russian media as indicative of Western pressure on Africa, a point made by Nikolay Patrushev. 
Intriguingly, the coup appears to have been driven more by local dynamics, such as the allocation of resources to the military and disagreements between Bazoum and the military over counter-terrorism tactics, rather than external influences. The Wagner Group's experience in Burkina Faso suggests that they face a challenging road ahead in Niger.
In the aftermath of the coup, Niger finds itself under a new regime. The pro-French president Bazouma has been overthrown, with Colonel Amadou Abdraman announcing the coup on behalf of the army and security forces. The military now holds power, controlling key administrative buildings in Niger's capital.
Amid these events, in a calculated gesture, Putin offered free grain to African countries, especially after blocking Ukrainian exports and targeting Danube and Black Sea ports and grain facilities. 
In this evolving scenario, Russia seeks to leverage food dependencies in Africa to build political capital, potentially influencing votes in vital organizations. Putin can also indirectly pressure the West, which needs to make more concessions to prevent a severe food crisis. Furthermore, Putin has leveraged the situation to blame Western sanctions for the precarious food supply situation. With Niger being part of the vestiges of the French sphere of influence in Africa, the stakes are high. Given its uranium reserves & strategic position in the region, a potential intervention by Wagner could have far-reaching implications.

 

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8 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

A helpful summary of the geopolitical dynamics in Niger with an emphasis on Russia and the West.

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Very long post on Niger, Africa-Russia summit, and the unfolding events. The unfolding situation in Niger and the Africa-Russia summit need to be examined in a more comprehensive geopolitical context. Ever since Russia's emergence as a significant player on the world stage, underscored by its military interventions in Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), and Syria (2015), it has been re-establishing old Soviet channels of influence in Africa as part of a strategy for vertical geopolitical expansion spanning the Arctic, Eurasia, the South Caucasus, the Middle East, and increasingly Africa.
Russia has signed military cooperation agreements with several Sahel countries, including Chad, Niger, and Nigeria in August 2017; Guinea in April 2018; Burkina Faso in August 2018; and Mali in June 2019.
Niger's strategic importance has grown exponentially for several reasons. Firstly, the country boasts vast uranium reserves. Secondly, France, the US, and Russia are actively involved in counterterrorism efforts in the region. Thirdly, Turkey and the UAE view Niger as a crucial player in their ongoing rivalry in Libya.
In 2021, Russia worked to promote anti-French narratives in Africa and boost its soft power in Mali, the CAR, and Niger at France's expense. With Mali and Chad under military rule, Niger has become an increasingly crucial part of the US and France's Sahel strategies. Niger has experienced a coup attempt in late March 2022, refugee influxes, and a rise in terrorist attacks, enhancing its geo-strategic importance.
The military junta in Mali's alliance with Russia and its strained relations with France have turned Niger into the central hub of European counterterrorism efforts in the Sahel. Burkina Faso and Guinea, despite their military regimes, have avoided the sanctions that Mali received from the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), as they have been granted extra time to negotiate.
The Wagner Group's activities in Mali, which Chad and Niger oppose, may have influenced this disparate treatment. However, as we moved into the end of 2022, Russian media highlighted the potential for Wagner Group private military contractors to be deployed in Niger.
Russia's long-term goal is to prevent Niger's uranium mines from falling into French hands. The coup in Niger has been a topic at the Russia-Africa Summit. Mohamed Bazoum's absence from the summit was interpreted on Russian media as indicative of Western pressure on Africa, a point made by Nikolay Patrushev. 
Intriguingly, the coup appears to have been driven more by local dynamics, such as the allocation of resources to the military and disagreements between Bazoum and the military over counter-terrorism tactics, rather than external influences. The Wagner Group's experience in Burkina Faso suggests that they face a challenging road ahead in Niger.
In the aftermath of the coup, Niger finds itself under a new regime. The pro-French president Bazouma has been overthrown, with Colonel Amadou Abdraman announcing the coup on behalf of the army and security forces. The military now holds power, controlling key administrative buildings in Niger's capital.
Amid these events, in a calculated gesture, Putin offered free grain to African countries, especially after blocking Ukrainian exports and targeting Danube and Black Sea ports and grain facilities. 
In this evolving scenario, Russia seeks to leverage food dependencies in Africa to build political capital, potentially influencing votes in vital organizations. Putin can also indirectly pressure the West, which needs to make more concessions to prevent a severe food crisis. Furthermore, Putin has leveraged the situation to blame Western sanctions for the precarious food supply situation. With Niger being part of the vestiges of the French sphere of influence in Africa, the stakes are high. Given its uranium reserves & strategic position in the region, a potential intervention by Wagner could have far-reaching implications.

 

Yep, I am tracking. Watch Sudan and DRC be the next two that he openly supports. He already has Wagner in Sudan, but not in huge numbers. He cannot afford to piss off China and their push for Oil.  Do not want to distract on Ukraine, but this is going to get fun. I can post somethings I am seeing in the Global Spring thread. 

But remember, the only thing that held these "armies" together was US Logistical Support and EUCOM (Mainly French) troops. And it was still rough going for them. 

Now they are bringing in Wagner? The Legion with US Air support would fuck them up. Add to that the US (SF) has been training Nigeria and Ghanaian troops for peacekeeping missions. Like the Rwandans they are pretty damn good. Most of Nigeria's problems come from these areas. I am sure they would love to fuck up the Jihadi's and the nations that house them.

This region is going to be fucked up for a bit. And Putin fucking with the grain deal will cause a lot of deaths. These leaders won't care, will be buying watches in Zurich once they learn Russia's weapons are not that good for COIN operations.  

Sorry for the rant, will be monitoring and post in the other thread. Sahel and Haiti are going to become headaches for the US and the UN real quick. 

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

So Putin watches those 3 ships float straight to Ukraine and he does exactly nothing?  This guy might be a pussy.

He doesn’t have the balls to sink Israeli, Turkish, and Greek civilian cargo ships, or any other such ships owned by other nations.  That invites armed escorts into the area (if not UN, then definitely NATO or EU), it invites Turkey to completely close the Straits to all Russian ships, not just Russian military ships, and it means open season for Turkey and Israel to really start some shit in Syria.

Sinking foreign-flagged third-party ships full of grain is another line that Putin won’t cross.   He’s been around long enough to remember what happened in the Persian Gulf when foreign-flagged civilian oil tankers started being sunk during the Iran/Iraq war.  Shit got really serious for everybody involved after that.  Whatever support he still has in Africa will start drying up.

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4 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I wonder how long it would take us to train Ukrainians to use AC-130s

first it will take us 10 years to debate it, then 10 years to bring up production, 3 years to smell farts, and 1 year to train people on it.

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1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

A helpful summary of the geopolitical dynamics in Niger with an emphasis on Russia and the West.

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Very long post on Niger, Africa-Russia summit, and the unfolding events. The unfolding situation in Niger and the Africa-Russia summit need to be examined in a more comprehensive geopolitical context. Ever since Russia's emergence as a significant player on the world stage, underscored by its military interventions in Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), and Syria (2015), it has been re-establishing old Soviet channels of influence in Africa as part of a strategy for vertical geopolitical expansion spanning the Arctic, Eurasia, the South Caucasus, the Middle East, and increasingly Africa.
Russia has signed military cooperation agreements with several Sahel countries, including Chad, Niger, and Nigeria in August 2017; Guinea in April 2018; Burkina Faso in August 2018; and Mali in June 2019.
Niger's strategic importance has grown exponentially for several reasons. Firstly, the country boasts vast uranium reserves. Secondly, France, the US, and Russia are actively involved in counterterrorism efforts in the region. Thirdly, Turkey and the UAE view Niger as a crucial player in their ongoing rivalry in Libya.
In 2021, Russia worked to promote anti-French narratives in Africa and boost its soft power in Mali, the CAR, and Niger at France's expense. With Mali and Chad under military rule, Niger has become an increasingly crucial part of the US and France's Sahel strategies. Niger has experienced a coup attempt in late March 2022, refugee influxes, and a rise in terrorist attacks, enhancing its geo-strategic importance.
The military junta in Mali's alliance with Russia and its strained relations with France have turned Niger into the central hub of European counterterrorism efforts in the Sahel. Burkina Faso and Guinea, despite their military regimes, have avoided the sanctions that Mali received from the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), as they have been granted extra time to negotiate.
The Wagner Group's activities in Mali, which Chad and Niger oppose, may have influenced this disparate treatment. However, as we moved into the end of 2022, Russian media highlighted the potential for Wagner Group private military contractors to be deployed in Niger.
Russia's long-term goal is to prevent Niger's uranium mines from falling into French hands. The coup in Niger has been a topic at the Russia-Africa Summit. Mohamed Bazoum's absence from the summit was interpreted on Russian media as indicative of Western pressure on Africa, a point made by Nikolay Patrushev. 
Intriguingly, the coup appears to have been driven more by local dynamics, such as the allocation of resources to the military and disagreements between Bazoum and the military over counter-terrorism tactics, rather than external influences. The Wagner Group's experience in Burkina Faso suggests that they face a challenging road ahead in Niger.
In the aftermath of the coup, Niger finds itself under a new regime. The pro-French president Bazouma has been overthrown, with Colonel Amadou Abdraman announcing the coup on behalf of the army and security forces. The military now holds power, controlling key administrative buildings in Niger's capital.
Amid these events, in a calculated gesture, Putin offered free grain to African countries, especially after blocking Ukrainian exports and targeting Danube and Black Sea ports and grain facilities. 
In this evolving scenario, Russia seeks to leverage food dependencies in Africa to build political capital, potentially influencing votes in vital organizations. Putin can also indirectly pressure the West, which needs to make more concessions to prevent a severe food crisis. Furthermore, Putin has leveraged the situation to blame Western sanctions for the precarious food supply situation. With Niger being part of the vestiges of the French sphere of influence in Africa, the stakes are high. Given its uranium reserves & strategic position in the region, a potential intervention by Wagner could have far-reaching implications.

 

TL;DR

Russia tries to pull the rest of the World down into the shit they've lived in for 1500 years, all while stealing their resources.

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15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Russia blows up Ukrainian apartments and homes at night. 

Ukraine blows up office buildings at night. 

Which one has civilians at the time? 

Russia can kiss my ass. 

Ukraine fucked up.  They should be hitting government buildings during the day when it is full of people.  Fuck Russia.  

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6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

This report: “Militarnyi reports that yesterday, three civilian ships (Israeli, Greek and Turkish/Georgian origin) were able to bypass the Russian blockade of the Black Sea and headed for Ukraine. It is reported that the passage was secured by a US P8 anti-ship aircraft.”

Was just curious how formidable one of those P8’s were, and it’s not clear whether it was simple the US Navy saying “hey we are in the area” or “ hey we are tracking these civilian ships, hopefully nothing happens to them.”

Of course, Russia attacking any non-Ukrainian ships would be a huge shitstorm and I think even they know it.  That’s the kind of stuff that invites armed escorts. Plus Turkey would probably completely close the Straits off to Russian shipping, and not just Russian military vessels.

The P-8 has some great sensors on board and I believe they can fire the LRASM now (contract to do so was awarded a couple of years ago).  That is a pretty formidable weapon.  It should have been the Naval Strike Missile but that is another story.   

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30 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

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Alright. This is the second time this thing's been posted, and I'm going to need some clarification on what exactly is happening here.

Are the Russians using the same defensive tactics me and my friends used in elementary school by using trash can lids as shields?

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6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Alright. This is the second time this thing's been posted, and I'm going to need some clarification on what exactly is happening here.

Are the Russians using the same defensive tactics me and my friends used in elementary school by using trash can lids as shields?

Yes, but Russia logic, it will deflect Starlink with lies and bullshit. 

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