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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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List of Black Sea Fleet Commanders going back to the 1780s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_Fleet#Commanders

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# Rank Name Year
1 VADM Aleksey Fedotovich Klokachev 1783
2 VADM Yakov Filippovich Sukhotin 1784 – 1785
3 RADM Nikolay Semenovich Mordvinov 1785 – 1789

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75 VADM Aleksandr Alekseevich Moiseev[145] June 2018 – May 2019
76 ADM Igor Vladimirovich Osipov[146] May 2019 – August 2022
77 ADM Viktor Nikolayevich Sokolov[147] August 2022 – 22 September 2023
78   Vacant 22 September 2023 – present

 

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From over a week ago, but interesting.

In Moscow, over the past couple of weeks, various high-rise buildings and specially constructed inclined new hills have had additional Pantsir SA-22 air defense units installed.

According to defense experts, the placement of these additional units can indeed help in more effectively detecting and downing Ukrainian drones. At the same time, experts also believe that the visible placement of these extra units is intended to reassure the population and help them understand that Russia is at war. What originally began as a 3-day "special operation" to de-nazify Ukraine has now clearly moved beyond that stage, given the increasingly conspicuous placement of additional air defense.

In my opinion, Russia fails to realize that with the precise placement of additional anti-aircraft artillery, they are also revealing highly sensitive and confidential information. If you closely examine the map of the new Pantsir installations (and if you know which underground locations are important), you can now precisely determine which underground command centers in Moscow are active and which are not. Not a wise move. Not wise at all.

PS: I quietly assume that Western intelligence agencies have likely also seen this on their 'Google Earth' images by now and drawn their own conclusions, updating their maps of active military installations in Moscow, both above ground and underground. @CKABUSK and I have certainly updated our maps based on the new findings!

 

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They are saying three missiles based on explosions/ivideo footage.

Given how valuable those missiles are, Ukraine must have a helluva lot of confidence that they would get through.  On the one hand, it's not exactly a swarm of missiles (Although there were strikes all over Crimea, and drones were in play), but on the other hand, they felt they could get at least one or two missiles through and that it was a worthwhile target.

If they were targeting flag officers, and not just the symbolism of the building, then A) they must have had intelligence about who would be present, and B) they must have felt they had degraded their air defenses enough that there would be little to no warning.   If they killed the fleet commander, it wasn't a coincidence, they had him pegged.

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10 hours ago, dimyh said:

Yep, from what I've been hearing is that the current Polish leadership party is very conservative and right-wing which is great for anti-Russian sentiment but it is not immune from needing to posture for its constituents. Their party gets a lot of support from their agricultural industries which is upset about their local grain prices sinking due to Ukrainian grain flooding in due to all of the troubles with normal shipping lanes. So the Poles are just trying to score some political points before the upcoming election.

Also the one Polish minister's comments about no longer sending military gear was taken out of context. That comment was in the context that it was factually true that the Poles were no longer sending military aid but that was because they had already sent over all the aid that they had pledged. They had already cleared out all of their old Soviet stock.  It had nothing to do with grain price grumbles. Remember this when reading headlines: the Russia media and their Ruzzbots are going to look at any slight chance of infighting and make sure to amplify it as part of their disinformation campaigns. 

As somebody who works in politics: pandering to farmers and the agricultural community is literally a load bearing pillar of the electoral politicking. This will pass post election. 

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They are saying three missiles based on explosions/ivideo footage.

Given how valuable those missiles are, Ukraine must have a helluva lot of confidence that they would get through.  On the one hand, it's not exactly a swarm of missiles (Although there were strikes all over Crimea, and drones were in play), but on the other hand, they felt they could get at least one or two missiles through and that it was a worthwhile target.

If they were targeting flag officers, and not just the symbolism of the building, then A) they must have had intelligence about who would be present, and B) they must have felt they had degraded their air defenses enough that there would be little to no warning.   If they killed the fleet commander, it wasn't a coincidence, they had him pegged.

I believe they’re using cheap drones to exhaust the air defenses… then they send the storm shadows. 

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From a few days ago, Forbes

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/09/18/a-ukrainian-cruise-missile-with-a-special-warhead-blew-up-that-russian-submarine-from-the-inside/?sh=275de49d5efd

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The Ukrainian Storm Shadow cruise missile that knocked out the Russian Black Sea Fleet’s submarine Rostov-on-Don in a nighttime raid on the fleet’s anchorage in Sevastopol, in occupied Crimea on Sept. 13, didn’t just damage the Kilo-class boat in its drydock—it blew it up from the inside.

Photos depicting the submarine’s wreckage that appeared online on Monday tell a clear story. The outward-curling metal at the Storm Shadow’s impact point, amidships on the 240-foot, 3,100-ton Rostov-on-Don, indicates the missile punched through the nine-year-old vessel’s hull before exploding.

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This was by design. British firm BAE Systems specifically developed the Storm Shadow’s 880-pound Bomb Royal Ordnance Augmented Charge warhead for destroying hardened targets such as underground bunkers. But the two-warhead, “tandem” fit obviously works equally well against ships.

The Ukrainian air force and navy have other deep-strike weapons with the range—just under 200 miles—to hit Sevastopol from inside Ukrainian lines. The navy’s Harpoon and Neptune ground-launched anti-ship missiles in their land-attack modes, for example. Or the air force’s huge S-200 air-defense missiles, which the Ukrainians now deploy in a surface-strike mode.

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But planners in Kyiv wanted to destroy warships. Specifically, warships resting inside the drydock belonging to the 13th Ship Repair Plant in Sevastopol. The layers of concrete and steel the Ukrainian munitions would have to contend with practically begged for a tandem warhead.

And while the 2,900-pound Storm Shadow—which the Ukrainian air force has integrated with its Sukhoi Su-24M bombers—isn’t the only missile in the Ukrainian inventory with a tandem warhead, it might be the best.

More at the link, but yeah, that's pretty awesome.

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16 hours ago, Foggy Notion said:

Edit: A couple versions of this tweet is going around. Budanov supposedly also said he couldn’t confirm the death of Sokolov. I want to believe this recent strike knocked out multiple Russian military leaders, but I’m a bit skeptical as VOANews, which is supposedly the source, has not reported Budanov’s comments. Or if they have, I haven’t seen it. 

The latest I could find is from 10 hours ago. No confirmation or denial about the fate of the Admiral. But at least 2 generals were seriously wounded. https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/sep/23/russia-ukraine-war-live-strike-on-russian-black-sea-fleet-hq-killed-nine-and-injured-senior-officers-ukraine-claims

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Nine people were killed and 16 injured, among them two generals, in a Ukrainian airstrike on Russia’s Black Sea naval headquarters in Crimea, according to the head of Ukrainian military intelligence. Kyrylo Budanov, the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, told the Voice of America that “among the wounded is the commander of the group, Col Gen [Alexander] Romanchuk, in a very serious condition. The chief of staff, Lt Gen [Oleg] Tsekov, is unconscious.”

A Ukrainian missile strike hit the headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea fleet in Sevastopol on Friday. Footage posted on social media showed clouds of white smoke billowing from the rooftop of the building. Soon after the strike Russia’s defence ministry said that one military serviceman was missing as a result of the assault.

Budanov did not confirm reports about the alleged death of the commander of Russia’s Black Sea fleet, Adm Viktor Sokolov.

“The number of casual military servicemen who are not employees of the headquarters is still being determined. These are military personnel who are on duty, security, and so on — they are not included in the list that I announced to you,” Budanov was quoted as saying by Voice of America.

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14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

What originally began as a 3-day "special operation" to de-nazify Ukraine

I wish people wouldn't repeat this official line nonsense. Even if it's to point out it's false.

This is, and always has been, an invasion of a sovereign nation in order to expand territory and destroy a people and its culture. They attempted to take over the territory quickly, and failed due to years of kleptocracy and incompetence in their military and elsewhere, and due to the careful and clever preparations and indomitable spirit of the Ukrainian people.

We need to shorten that to soundbite size and it's perfect.

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11 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I wish people wouldn't repeat this official line nonsense. Even if it's to point out it's false.

This is, and always has been, an invasion of a sovereign nation in order to expand territory and destroy a people and its culture. They attempted to take over the territory quickly, and failed due to years of kleptocracy and incompetence in their military and elsewhere, and due to the careful and clever preparations and indomitable spirit of the Ukrainian people.

We need to shorten that to soundbite size and it's perfect.

Agree that it's about expansion/genocide/etc.

But I see a lot of people, including a few Ukrainians, using it very sarcastically.  There's just something about Day 570 of the 3-Day Special Military Operation.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Agree that it's about expansion/genocide/etc.

But I see a lot of people, including a few Ukrainians, using it very sarcastically.  There's just something about Day 570 of the 3-Day Special Military Operation.

See, there's a real danger there, though. Studies show that the more often a statement is repeated, even its negation, the more likely people are to believe it.

So if you say either: "Russia's de-nazification of Ukraine," or even "Russia was NEVER de-nazifying Ukraine," it increases people's belief that the invasion wasn't expansionist or genocidal.

In fact, if we can get people to say "the invasion isn't expansionist nor genocidal," it actually increases people's belief that it was!

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19 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

See, there's a real danger there, though. Studies show that the more often a statement is repeated, even its negation, the more likely people are to believe it.

So if you say either: "Russia's de-nazification of Ukraine," or even "Russia was NEVER de-nazifying Ukraine," it increases people's belief that the invasion wasn't expansionist or genocidal.

In fact, if we can get people to say "the invasion isn't expansionist nor genocidal," it actually increases people's belief that it was!

Oh, the Nazi stuff, yeah, that needs to be nipped in the bud.

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11 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Peter Weller's career has tailed off, perhaps he still does?

He went off and got his masters and started teaching, and then he went and got his PhD at UCLA.

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/0dm859tj

Kind of like Brian May, only instead of astrophysics, he got his PhD in Italian Renaissance Art History.

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He went off and got his masters and started teaching, and then he went and got his PhD at UCLA.

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/0dm859tj

Kind of like Brian May, only instead of astrophysics, he got his PhD in Italian Renaissance Art History.

Teaching art sort goes hand in hand with an older model Taurus though.  

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19 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Bomb those fuckers too

A few cruise missiles into the Kremlin would be amazing, but that’s where their air defense is concentrated (instead of Crimea) and I’m not sure if the Ukrainians have anything with the range like that.  

That does show some self-awareness on the part of the Kremlin though - they boosted the air defenses around Moscow over the past 10 days or so, knowing they’d pay elsewhere.  They are spooked.

Normally I’d say that Putin would almost welcome a cruise missile into Moscow.  That would help his mobilization efforts if the Russian people actually supported this, he could point to it and say “see, we have to conquer these people or they will keep striking us, they are what I said they were.”

Instead, the Kremlin is serious about preventing stuff getting through, at the cost of Crimea losing air defense, which means they think a serious hit in Moscow would get the people mad at Putin and the Kremlin, instead of behind them.

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