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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, NOVEMBER 29, 2023

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The Ukrainian General Staff reported on November 29 that elements of the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (Black Sea Fleet) operating near Krynky (30km northeast of Kherson City and 2km from the Dnipro River) are refusing to conduct assaults on Ukrainian positions due to a lack of artillery coordination, tactical intelligence transmission, and proper communication about the location of Russian minefields.[1] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that maps of the Russian minefields are classified and that Russian commanders have not properly coordinated with assault units about the locations of these minefields, leading to 50 casualties among elements of the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade in the last month.[2] Elements of the 810th Naval Infantry brigade arrived in the Krynky area in early October 2023 and appear to have taken over responsibility for the immediate Krynky area from elements of the newly created 18th Combined Arms Army (CAA) following the start of Ukrainian ground operations on the east bank of the Dnipro in mid-October 2023.[3] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that the 18th CAA’s 28th Motorized Rifle Regiment is currently operating in Pishchanivka (14km east of Kherson City and 3km from the Dnipro River).[4] Additional elements of the 18th CAA and the 7th Airborne (VDV) Division reportedly hold positions in near rear areas on the east bank, and the joint command of these formations is likely overseeing much of the current Russian response to the Ukrainian ground operations on the east bank.[5] The reported minefield incident suggests that the command of the 18th CAA did not share relevant tactical details with the 810th Naval Infantry Brigade’s command, suggesting that higher-level Russian commanders responsible for the defense of the east bank have yet to remedy this failure in coordination.

They don’t need to be told where the minefields are. They will surely find them themselves in good time. 

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Russian Telegram channels report that on November 30, saboteurs blew up a freight train in Buryatia at the Itykit-Okusikan crossing, which consisted of 50 train cars, including 41 tank cars with diesel and 3 tank cars with aviation fuel.

Further transportation of the cars is still impossible - the explosion seriously damaged the tunnel rails, and the leaked fuel flooded them (one of the train's tank cars burned out, the other two had holes). A criminal case under the article "terrorist act" was initiated on this fact.

Later, another train was blown up in the same area: 4 tanks were burned out, two more were damaged by fire. According to preliminary data, the fuel spilled over an area of 150 square meters.

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7 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Great news, but maybe we should shut the fuck up. 

Wonder if this is a situation where they are putting some info out there, but it's wrong, similar to everybody being surprised when ATACMS was used.

But yeah, that's a lot of info.  Speaking of, Ukrainian forces are being somewhat silent in a few areas, which is interesting.  Half expecting to see Abrams pop up.

There's still tons of footage of Russians being hit/killed, but official channels seem to be quiet about a few areas.

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12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

So that's in Siberia.  On the one hand, I don't see how Ukraine would have assets that deep, just to wreck trains (while in the tunnel) going between Russia and China.

On the other, because they claimed they did it, Russia is going to have to constantly check every important train.

Nice.

They're not going to check every train. They'll just tell Putin they're checking every train 

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Worth reading the full report:

They actually seem slightly concerned that it won't be easy to rig the election

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The Kremlin is likely concerned about how changing Russian perceptions of the Russian war in Ukraine will affect the outcome of the March 2024 Russian presidential election and is implementing measures to ensure that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s actual electoral support does not rest on Russian battlefield successes. Russian President Vladimir Putin will reportedly center his presidential campaign on Russia’s alleged domestic stability and increased criticism of the West instead of focusing on the war.[10] Putin and other Russian government officials have already signaled their intention to intensify censorship efforts by claiming that some Russian citizens who left Russia and others still in Russia have begun efforts to discredit the upcoming Russian presidential elections and that Russia will do “everything necessary” to prevent election meddling.[11]Russian authorities have also attempted to consolidate control over the Russian information space and have intensified measures encouraging self-censorship.[12] Russian milbloggers suggested that Russian political officials financing Telegram channels ordered milbloggers to cease debates and criticisms about the Russian military prior to the Russian presidential elections.[13] The Kremlin has likely attempted to shore up popular support for Putin throughout Russia by establishing a network of “proxies” to campaign on Putin’s behalf.[14]

 

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12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

So that's in Siberia.  On the one hand, I don't see how Ukraine would have assets that deep, just to wreck trains (while in the tunnel) going between Russia and China.

On the other, because they claimed they did it, Russia is going to have to constantly check every important train.

Nice.

I'm guessing that will create a nice bottleneck of rail shipments between Russia and China so it was worth the effort.  If the tunnel itself was compromised by the explosion, it will be closed for a long time.

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I'm guessing that will create a nice bottleneck of rail shipments between Russia and China so it was worth the effort.  If the tunnel itself was compromised by the explosion, it will be closed for a long time.

The BAM is a real interesting piece of late-Soviet era planning.  The purpose was to create a line parallel to the Trans-Siberian further away from the border with China for obvious strategic reasons.  For much of its length, the Trans-Siberian runs just a few miles from the Chinese border, which is a real problem given the tension of Sino-Soviet relations.

The entire thing was a shitshow from the beginning.  The Soviets sent a bunch of workers out to new towns that didn't have electricity or running water (many of which are now abandoned).  And the permafrost on which the line is built is now thawing, which is going to destroy the entire line in the next decade.

The tunnel that was attacked took nearly 30 years to complete.  So if it was structurally compromised, that's not going to be an easy fix.  It runs a mile underground and is 10 miles long.  But here's the thing--there is an old bypass line that they used on the BAM during construction of that tunnel.  I don't know what kind of shape it's in, but it'd obviously be a lot quicker to bring that into operation.  And, of course, there's always the Trans-Siberian.

So on balance, I don't think it's that big of a catastrophe.

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On 11/29/2023 at 1:07 PM, BamaATL said:

In life, sometimes you are the stick, and sometimes there is a flying death robot headed towards you.  

 

Both amazing and terrifying.  This is the future of warfare and it should scare the crap out of everyone.  Imagine swarms of thousands of independent, autonomous drones.  No exposed personnel would be safe.  Countermeasures?  Jamming?  Directed EMP?  

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Think you can hide inside?  Think of the Minority report robots, but packed with an explosive

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22 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

The BAM is a real interesting piece of late-Soviet era planning.  The purpose was to create a line parallel to the Trans-Siberian further away from the border with China for obvious strategic reasons.  For much of its length, the Trans-Siberian runs just a few miles from the Chinese border, which is a real problem given the tension of Sino-Soviet relations.

The entire thing was a shitshow from the beginning.  The Soviets sent a bunch of workers out to new towns that didn't have electricity or running water (many of which are now abandoned).  And the permafrost on which the line is built is now thawing, which is going to destroy the entire line in the next decade.

The tunnel that was attacked took nearly 30 years to complete.  So if it was structurally compromised, that's not going to be an easy fix.  It runs a mile underground and is 10 miles long.  But here's the thing--there is an old bypass line that they used on the BAM during construction of that tunnel.  I don't know what kind of shape it's in, but it'd obviously be a lot quicker to bring that into operation.  And, of course, there's always the Trans-Siberian.

So on balance, I don't think it's that big of a catastrophe.

How do you know so much about Russian railroads, Oleg?

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The BAM is a real interesting piece of late-Soviet era planning.  The purpose was to create a line parallel to the Trans-Siberian further away from the border with China for obvious strategic reasons.  For much of its length, the Trans-Siberian runs just a few miles from the Chinese border, which is a real problem given the tension of Sino-Soviet relations.

The entire thing was a shitshow from the beginning.  The Soviets sent a bunch of workers out to new towns that didn't have electricity or running water (many of which are now abandoned).  And the permafrost on which the line is built is now thawing, which is going to destroy the entire line in the next decade.

The tunnel that was attacked took nearly 30 years to complete.  So if it was structurally compromised, that's not going to be an easy fix.  It runs a mile underground and is 10 miles long.  But here's the thing--there is an old bypass line that they used on the BAM during construction of that tunnel.  I don't know what kind of shape it's in, but it'd obviously be a lot quicker to bring that into operation.  And, of course, there's always the Trans-Siberian.

So on balance, I don't think it's that big of a catastrophe.

About that bypass...

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According to sources, this detonation was the second stage of the SBU's special operation to disable this important railway line. The Russians use it for military logistics including movements of ammunition and weapons from the DPRK.

The first freight train exploded yesterday inside of the Severomuy tunnel. In order to continue the movement, the Russians began to use the detour that passes over the Chortov Most ("Devil's Bridge") near Tonnelnyi, Buryatia, Russia. This is exactly what the SBU was counting on: when the train was passing over this 35-meter high bridge, the explosive devices embedded in it went off.

Geolocation: 56.271604, 113.360442

According to Russian Telegram channels, 6 tanker cars caught fire from the explosion and a fire train was dispatched to put out the fire.

"Russian special services should get used to the fact that our people are everywhere. Even in distant Buryatia." -- Ukrainian security forces say

 

 

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OpenStreetMaps shows it pretty well on their Transport Map layer https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/56.2430/113.4901&layers=T

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Both amazing and terrifying.  This is the future of warfare and it should scare the crap out of everyone.  Imagine swarms of thousands of independent, autonomous drones.  No exposed personnel would be safe.  Countermeasures?  Jamming?  Directed EMP?  

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Think you can hide inside?  Think of the Minority report robots, but packed with an explosive

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I will be taking up falconry.

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How do you know so much about Russian railroads, Oleg?

I kind of weirdly like trains, as some of you have noticed from my occasional spats with @Spankytoes on various European travel treads in which he advocates for flying between European cities and I favor taking the train (including overnight trains, which are seeing a major resurgence across Europe).  And one train-centric trip I have toyed with taking from time to time is the Trans-Siberian.

Tangentially, there is a very peculiar subset of train nerds out there who have taken the BAM.  There are a number of videos on YouTube.  And on that line, the primary tourist attractions are the stops at largely deserted Soviet-era towns that were originally built and settled for the workers that built the BAM.  The Soviet expectation was that those towns would be further populated by people coming to work in nearby coal mines and other industries that would pop up along the BAM.  But with the fall of the Soviet Union, those enterprises never materialized.  And the workers who were there to build the railway left.  So you have these deserted Soviet towns that are kind of similar to what you will see in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone.  So you can go and see that without getting all radioactive.

By the way--one of those videos is from that delightful Englishman whose videos about Donbas were posted on this thread about a thousand pages ago.  It's really an interesting watch.

 

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1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

I kind of weirdly like trains, as some of you have noticed from my occasional spats with @Spankytoes on various European travel.

Have you seen the movie Railway Man?  Thoroughly enjoyed it, though given your depth of knowledge on the subject matter, it may have been too dramatized. 

 

 

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About that bypass...

Tweet text:

According to sources, this detonation was the second stage of the SBU's special operation to disable this important railway line. The Russians use it for military logistics including movements of ammunition and weapons from the DPRK.

The first freight train exploded yesterday inside of the Severomuy tunnel. In order to continue the movement, the Russians began to use the detour that passes over the Chortov Most ("Devil's Bridge") near Tonnelnyi, Buryatia, Russia. This is exactly what the SBU was counting on: when the train was passing over this 35-meter high bridge, the explosive devices embedded in it went off.

Geolocation: 56.271604, 113.360442

According to Russian Telegram channels, 6 tanker cars caught fire from the explosion and a fire train was dispatched to put out the fire.

"Russian special services should get used to the fact that our people are everywhere. Even in distant Buryatia." -- Ukrainian security forces say

 

 

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OpenStreetMaps shows it pretty well on their Transport Map layer https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=10/56.2430/113.4901&layers=T

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Security Service of Ukraine has organized the second explosion at Russian Baikal-Amur railroad - DW, citing a source in the law enforcement structures. "The Russians were twice trapped by the SSU - another fuel train exploded on the Baikal-Amur railway line", the source said. According to them, this explosion became the second stage of the SSU's special operation to disrupt an important Russian railroad that is used for military logistics, as well. "The first freight train exploded directly in the Severomuy tunnel. To continue the movement, the Russians began to use the detour that passes through the 'Devil's Bridge.' This is exactly what the SSU was counting on: when the train was passing over this 35-meter high bridge, the explosive devices embedded in it went off," the source said.

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