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Russian state media beginning to speculate that these were Russia Volunteer Corps fighters in fake beards. Suuuurrrrreee.

“Who committed this attack, the result of which according to incomplete information from the FSB over 60 people died and 140 were injured, and why is still unknown. (The figures will grow, of course.) Some sources have proposed that the terrorists could have been members of the banned in Russia organization “Russian Volunteer Corps.” Its members periodically attack populated outposts in Russian oblasts bordering Ukraine. On the eve of the terror attack the FSB arrested a group of supporters planning to fight in Ukraine and in the meantime planning minor diversion in Russia. 
 

Tonight security forces began receiving orienting information from the operational HQ to carry out the search for the attackers. In them, according to source “B,” it was written that the terrorists are young people, taller than average, up to 180 cm, possibly wearing fake beards and mustaches.”

 

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6592262

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Кто именно и зачем совершил нападение, в результате которого, по неполным данным ФСБ, Больше 60 человек погибли и 140 получили ранения (цифры, очевидно, увеличатся), пока неизвестно. Некоторые источники “Ъ” предполагали, что террористы могли быть членами запрещенной в России организации «Русский добровольческий корпус». Ее участники периодически совершают нападения на населенные пункты в приграничных с Украиной областях России. Как раз накануне теракта сотрудники ФСБ задержали в Москве целую группу их сторонников, собиравшихся отправиться воевать на Украину, а пока совершавших мелкие диверсии в России.

Уже ночью силовики начали получать ориентировки из оперативного штаба, в соответствии с которыми велся розыск нападавших. В них, по данным источников “Ъ”, говорилось, что террористы — молодые люди, выше среднего роста, до 180 см, возможно, использовали накладные бороды и усы.

 

 

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3 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

My 'BS' meter started beeping with the video above showing the cops arresting an un-hurt man.  No fucking way.  If they had claimed one gunman was captured but has significant gun shot wounds, and is on the way to the hospitable, it would seem plausible. 

No way they’d be taken alive.

[Foggy Notion 1202]

Another Russian refinery hit…

 

Edited March 23 by Foggy Notion
Added a link

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2 hours ago, F250 said:

Twitter bots in action.

 

 

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This is another video going around and there’s some misinformation present (but not much, one generation off).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_City_Hall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aras_Agalarov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emin_(singer)

I won’t quote the Wikipedia article about the elder Aras because there’s a shit-ton of stuff about the ties between Aras and Donald Trump and the Trump family and little about the Hall, but it should be noted that the Wikipedia articles  mentions it was Emin, the son of the Elder Aras, who is the former  son-in-law of the President of Azerbaijan, as of nine years ago.  It was not the theater owner who was the son-in-law of the President of Azerbaijan.  However, his son and the Azerbaijani President’s daughter had kids, so he and the President share grandkids.

 I find the choice of targets to be interesting.  If it was a false flag, I wonder if they’d pick a venue like this, given who owns it.

A Dagestani refresher:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagestan#Post-Soviet_era

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On 7 August 1999, the Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade (IIPB), an Islamist group from Chechnya led by warlords Shamil Basayev, Ibn Al-Khattab and Ramzan Akhmadov, launched a military invasion of Dagestan, in support of the Shura separatist rebels with the aim of creating an "independent Islamic State of Dagestan".

The invaders were supported by part of the local population but were driven back by the Russian military and local paramilitary groups.^[29] In response to the invasion, Russian forces subsequently reinvaded Chechnya later that year.^[30]

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Dagestani soldiers participated in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, many of whom were killed in action.^[32][33][34] In September, Dagestan became a center of the 2022 North Caucasian protests against mobilization

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63028586 (September 2022)
 

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People in Russia's Dagestan region have clashed with police in the latest protests against Moscow's call-up of 300,000 military reservists. Over 100 people were arrested during protests in the regional capital Makhachkala, OVD-Info, an independent Russian human rights monitor said.

It said it was concerned by reports of the province's "very tough detentions". Dagestan is a mainly Muslim region of Russia with a higher death toll than any other province in the war. Recent analysis by the BBC's Russian service showed that at least 301 soldiers from Dagestan have died, 10 times more than in Moscow. The true figure is likely to be far higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_North_Caucasian_protests

So if they were shouting that Dagestan belongs to Azerbaijan (instead of Russia), then the venue may have been random and the shooting could tie into people in Dagestan being pissed off that they were pulled into Ukraine, especially at disproportionate numbers compared to Moscow residents.  Probably wouldn’t be hard to find some folks pissed off over relatives dying.  And ISIS may very well have cells in Dagestan that are recruiting people, or it could just be ISIS trying to start shit.

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I’m not sure how this ties in, but a-ha played there in November of 2019, and they started with “Take on Me” and ended with “The Living Daylights”

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/aha/2019/crocus-city-hall-moscow-russia-3b9ae460.html

Whitesnake was there a few months before a-ha and stared with “Bad Boys” and ended with “Always Look on the Bright Side of Life”

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/whitesnake/2019/crocus-city-hall-moscow-russia-739ed21d.html

I’m sure somebody on Reddit has a few thousand words on how these concerts led to the shooting today (in terms of target selection).

Edit: I’m going to look at other places that a-ha has performed at.

Edited March 23 by atomheartbevo

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6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I am sure some would like to, but most of those guys are back, they were never flung into frontline action as Putin and Kadyrov would not leave that door open.  

I missed that.  I thought they were still being used as blocking troops preventing conscripts from retreating or deserting.

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How the fuck does this scale of an attack happen in Russia so much? Moscow symphony, Beslan School attack, this. We have scores of mass shootings every year and still haven’t had a (shooting based) terrorist attack result in that many casualties once, ever. Yet.

 

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Oh for fuck sake. Take a lap you idiot

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In a Statement tonight by U.S. National Security Council Spokesman Adrienne Watson, she Confirms that as soon as Intelligence was received earlier this Month regarding the Imminent Threat of an ISIS Terrorist Attack against Civilian Gatherings in the Russian Capital of Moscow, the Information was provided to Russian Officials under Intelligence Community Directive 191 (ICD-191) “Duty to Warn” at the same time that the State Department Travel Warning was released on March 7th.

A lot of people seem to be mad that we provided Russia with the threat information. There’s the criteria that has the be met for ICD-191 to holdup. The criteria must have been met if notice and transfer of information took place. Meaning no methods, frameworks, or sensitive information was jeopardized.

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Given that the US government is out there saying they warned Russia a few weeks ago, kind of interesting that it still happened and that Putin fucked that up.

Inside Russia guy on YouTube is asking why, in Red Square, if you take out a blank piece of paper and stand there, the police will be on your ass within a minute or two, but it took over an hour before police forces entered the building.  That last part is easy, they probably trained at the same place that the Uvalde PD and Texas DPS trained..

Edit: Inside Russia guy is claiming the metal detectors at the concert hall were turned off and the guards were letting people inside.

Edited March 23 by atomheartbevo

[KYHorn 17076]

Death toll up to 115 and the Kremlin has confirmed it was ISIS.

Just kidding, they detained 4 people who were just about to sneak into Ukraine... Of course

https://apnews.com/article/russia-moscow-krasnogorsk-gunmen-concert-hall-fire-97e321c3c477ece36d4fb32f50fa0e8a 

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OSCOW (AP) - Russian authorities detained 11 people, state media reported Saturday, after gunmen stormed a concert hall in Moscow in a grisly attack that left at least 115 people dead.

Russia's Investigative Committee said four of those detained were directly involved in the attack that left the sprawling shopping mall and music venue smoldering with a collapsed roof.

Russian agencies appeared to suggest the attack was linked to Ukraine even though the Islamic State group claimed responsibility in a statement. A U.S. intelligence official told The Associated Press that U.S. agencies had confirmed that that group was responsible for the attack.

The four suspects were stopped in the Bryansk region of western Russia, "not far from the border with Ukraine," Russia's Investigative Committee said. They planned to cross the border into Ukraine and "had contacts" there, state news agency Tass said, citing Russia's FSB. The head of the FSB briefed President Vladimir Putin on the arrests on Saturday, according to Tass.

The attack came just days after Putin cemented his grip on power in a highly orchestrated electoral landslide. The attack was the deadliest in Russia in years and came as the country's fight in Ukraine dragged into a third year.

Shortly after the attack, some Russian lawmakers pointed the finger at Ukraine. Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, denied any involvement.

"Ukraine has never resorted to the use of terrorist methods," he posted on X, formerly Twitter. "Everything in this war will be decided only on the battlefield."

Images shared by Russian state media Saturday showed a fleet of emergency vehicles still gathered outside the ruins of Crocus City Hall, which had a capacity of more than 6,000 people in Krasnogorsk, on Moscow's western edge.

Videos posted online showed gunmen in the venue shooting civilians at point-blank range. The roof of the theater, where crowds had gathered Friday for a performance by the Russian rock band Picnic, collapsed in the early hours of Saturday morning as firefighters spent hours fighting a fire that erupted during the attack.

In a statement posted by its Aamaq news agency, the Islamic State's affiliate in Afghanistan said it had attacked a large gathering of "Christians" in Krasnogorsk. It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the claim.

A U.S. intelligence official told the AP that U.S. intelligence agencies had gathered information in recent weeks that the IS branch was planning an attack in Moscow, and that U.S. officials had privately shared the intelligence earlier this month with Russian officials.

The official was briefed on the matter but was not authorized to publicly discuss the intelligence information and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.

Messages of outrage, shock and support for those affected have since streamed in from around the world.

On Friday, the U.N. Security Council condemned "the heinous and cowardly terrorist attack" and underlined the need for the perpetrators to be held accountable. U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres also condemned the terrorist attack "in the strongest possible terms," his spokesman said.

Meanwhile, in Moscow itself, hundreds of people stood in line Saturday morning to donate blood and plasma, Russia's health ministry said.

Putin, who extended his grip on Russia for another six years in this week's presidential vote after a sweeping crackdown on dissent, had publicly denounced the Western warnings of a potential terrorist attack as an attempt to intimidate Russians. "All that resembles open blackmail and an attempt to frighten and destabilize our society," he said earlier this week.

In October 2015, a bomb planted by the Islamic State downed a Russian passenger plane over Sinai, killing all 224 people on board, most of them Russian vacation-goers returning from Egypt. The group, which operates mainly in Syria and Iraq but also in Afghanistan and Africa, also has claimed several attacks in Russia's volatile Caucasus and other regions in the past years. It recruited fighters from Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union

 

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There are news stories from 2 weeks ago saying we warned Russia of imminent attack. I don’t think that part can be questioned

[956 Worldwide 34715]

5 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

There are news stories from 2 weeks ago saying we warned Russia of imminent attack. I don’t think that part can be questioned

Our warning to Americans is still queued up on the website and under U.S. law we told the Russians at least that much.  Counter-terror intel sharing never really stopped.

If the car was stopped near Bryansk, just as accurate to say they were going to Belarus as Ukraine. 

[Scheiss Meister 8408]

Putin's not saying that Ukraine is to blame; he's saying that he's blaming Ukraine.

[956 Worldwide 34715]

The who of this attack is far less important than how it will be used. Reichstag fire type moment. I expect speeded up mobilization. 
 

Reports are also coming out that the suspects are Tajiks (so, not Northern Caucuses).  Central Asians working in tandem with Ukraine is a narrative that allows the Kremlin to avoid any meaningful internal actions. 

 

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8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

In a Statement tonight by U.S. National Security Council Spokesman Adrienne Watson, she Confirms that as soon as Intelligence was received earlier this Month regarding the Imminent Threat of an ISIS Terrorist Attack against Civilian Gatherings in the Russian Capital of Moscow, the Information was provided to Russian Officials under Intelligence Community Directive 191 (ICD-191) “Duty to Warn” at the same time that the State Department Travel Warning was released on March 7th.

A lot of people seem to be mad that we provided Russia with the threat information. There’s the criteria that has the be met for ICD-191 to holdup. The criteria must have been met if notice and transfer of information took place. Meaning no methods, frameworks, or sensitive information was jeopardized.

Ok so I was wrong not a false flag. My bad. But we warned them and shit still went down? Good job orcs

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[DaggerHorns 3085]

Interesting dynamic. The guy behind the mic has killed hundreds of thousands of people but the terrorists have only killed over 100.

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1 hour ago, achooloco said:

Ok so I was wrong not a false flag. My bad. But we warned them and shit still went down? Good job orcs

Yeah, we publicly issued a warning through the embassy on the 7th, while at the same time privately warned the Russian government ISIS was up to something, and then it happens and ISIS publicly claims it, so of course Putin wants to link it to Ukraine.

It’s telling that Russia even tried to blame the Russians in the Russian Freedom Legion or whatever, and that the stories the Russian bots on Twitter were pushing were so laughable. Any Ukrainian special forces in Russia proper are spotting for drones or going to focus on high-ranking military leaders, not civilians in a concert hall.

I think it’s a pretty good sign that the Russian intelligence services or the intelligence components of their security services (KGB, FSB, etc.) are pretty tapped out and spread thin with Ukraine, and unable to focus elsewhere.  Either this came out of the anger with Putin sending minorities (including lots of Muslims) to Ukraine in disproportionate numbers (versus say Muscovites) or this came out of Syria and anger over the Russians and Assad slaughtering/cleansing or displacing Sunnis.

I don’t know the makeup of Muslims in the outlying regions of Russia who are pissed at Moscow, but ISIS is mostly Wahhabi, and there are plenty of candidates in Syria that they could draw from.  And there’s always the specter of Chechnya starting shit if they think Putin is weak and couldn’t respond (with or without Kadyrov at the helm).  

If the comments about Dagestan being Azerbaijan are correct, that adds another facet to this - Putin will have to use valuable resources to tighten up security in the outer regions,

[956 Worldwide 34715]

Nearly all of Russia’s Muslims are Sunni and so are nearly all the Central Asians. Plenty of them have fought in Afghanistan and Syria for extremist groups. 

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There are some videos of these guys being interrogated and one of them had his ear cut off and they tried to feed it to him. Then threatened to cut the other off.

ISIS and the Kremlin honestly deserve each other. 

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11 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Nearly all of Russia’s Muslims are Sunni and so are nearly all the Central Asians. Plenty of them have fought in Afghanistan and Syria for extremist groups. 

Throwing a wrench in things, and showcasing their incompetence and/or that it probably wasn’t a false flag, at least two of the passports from Tajikistan that were shown off by the Russians as proof they were from Tajikistan, were for men who have been in Tajikistan for months and have alibis, according to the Tajikistan’s government.  

Russia has done this kind of stupid shit before - identifying somebody who turns out to be in another country - such as the Ukrainian POWs that they claimed died in a plane crash, who were alive in Ukraine.  If it were a false flag, I think they’d do a better job of having identities prepared in advance.  One of the men they “captured” said he was paid $8,600 by internet people to kill people in a concert hall. I get that Russia is poor, but it wasn’t some random gun-for-hire that killed those people - it was somebody who had some training and serious motivation.

edit: I can believe that fake/stolen passports from another country would be used by terrorists, which is why Russia shouldn’t have put that out there so quickly and risked making themselves look even more foolish, and ramping up tensions with Tajikistan (who is already pissed at the lack of CIS support).

Edited March 23 by atomheartbevo

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Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Throwing a wrench in things, and showcasing their incompetence and/or that it probably wasn’t a false flag, at least two of the passports from Tajikistan that were shown off by the Russians as proof they were from Tajikistan, were for men who have been in Tajikistan for months and have alibis, according to the Tajikistan’s government.  

Russia has done this kind of stupid shit before - identifying somebody who turns out to be in another country - such as the Ukrainian POWs that they claimed died in a plane crash, who were alive in Ukraine.  If it were a false flag, I think they’d do a better job of having identities prepared in advance.  One of the men they “captured” said he was paid $8,600 by internet people to kill people in a concert hall. I get that Russia is poor, but it wasn’t some random gun-for-hire that killed those people - it was somebody who had some training and serious motivation.

There is also the very real possibility that these guys just got some Tajik government mope to print some passports for them using the data from genuine people. Always better than simple fake IDs. 

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Throwing a wrench in things, and showcasing their incompetence and/or that it probably wasn’t a false flag, at least two of the passports from Tajikistan that were shown off by the Russians as proof they were from Tajikistan, were for men who have been in Tajikistan for months and have alibis, according to the Tajikistan’s government.  

Russia has done this kind of stupid shit before - identifying somebody who turns out to be in another country - such as the Ukrainian POWs that they claimed died in a plane crash, who were alive in Ukraine.  If it were a false flag, I think they’d do a better job of having identities prepared in advance.  One of the men they “captured” said he was paid $8,600 by internet people to kill people in a concert hall. I get that Russia is poor, but it wasn’t some random gun-for-hire that killed those people - it was somebody who had some training and serious motivation.

edit: I can believe that fake/stolen passports from another country would be used by terrorists, which is why Russia shouldn’t have put that out there so quickly and risked making themselves look even more foolish, and ramping up tensions with Tajikistan (who is already pissed at the lack of CIS support).

Yeah, the official story is bullshit although I can also imagine some numb-nuts Tajik jihadi spitting it out after his ear has been cut off.  These are not intelligent and sophisticated people and they don’t have a good idea about what “a lot of money” means.  This guy hasn’t had 500k rubles pass through his hands in his lifetime. 

”Farrukh, we want you to walk into a concert hall in Moscow during war time and shoot it up then set it on fire. We’ll pay you more than enough for a high-mileage 2013 Hyundai Elantra.” 

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No matter what is the truth, Putin will do whatever he wants.

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If Russian security is THIS bad, how does it bode for Ukrainian SF actions deeper into Russia?  Sneak explosives into refineries outside drone range and such.

Or am I dreaming?

[Macanudo 12989]

Russian intelligence makes the A&M Athletic department look competent.

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[Pato del Muerto 52524]

We sure that’s footage claiming to be from the shooting?  And not some training video that someone has available?

[NeverMarryAStripper 21907]

We've seen some smoking Russian corpses before in this thread

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18 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

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13 hours ago, Helobious said:

How the fuck does this scale of an attack happen in Russia so much? Moscow symphony, Beslan School attack, this. We have scores of mass shootings every year and still haven’t had a (shooting based) terrorist attack result in that many casualties once, ever. Yet.

 

So much for American exceptionalism 

 

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Death toll at 133 now

 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

So much for American exceptionalism 

 

also

 

 

Ok, that’s a little dark. 

[General Specific 3262]

This new group won’t match the caliber of the conscripts from two years ago. 

But they will match the caliber of bullets used by Ukraine!

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26 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

 

How do we square these sanctions with asking Ukraine not to target Russian refineries? Is our hope that they stop exporting and their economy stops or not?! this half measure bullshit where western countries dont increase production of equipment but we allow Russia’s economy to carry on and transition to war time production is probably not going to end well.

[EastHorn 281]

17 minutes ago, B00M said:

How do we square these sanctions with asking Ukraine not to target Russian refineries? Is our hope that they stop exporting and their economy stops or not?! this half measure bullshit where western countries dont increase production of equipment but we allow Russia’s economy to carry on and transition to war time production is probably not going to end well.

I agree.  I think the fear is that if Ukraine started blowing up all oil production then Putin would use a nuclear weapon.  But now that the war has dragged on and Putin is just waiting out our election and American public sentiment, I think we need to let Ukraine go all in.  Otherwise what was the point.  

[General Specific 3262]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1771263382290588136?s=20
 
 

It’s Krokus you Russian twits! /s

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41 minutes ago, B00M said:

How do we square these sanctions with asking Ukraine not to target Russian refineries? Is our hope that they stop exporting and their economy stops or not?! this half measure bullshit where western countries dont increase production of equipment but we allow Russia’s economy to carry on and transition to war time production is probably not going to end well.

It's not a hard concept. Russian oil being taken completely out of the system means the price oil of jumps to $120ish a barrel. Helping the Russian-aligned far right in Europe and the US doesn't help Ukraine's interests. The goal was to force Russia to sell oil and refined products at a steep discount.

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5 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

It's not a hard concept. Russian oil being taken completely out of the system means the price oil of jumps to $120ish a barrel. Helping the Russian-aligned far right in Europe and the US doesn't help Ukraine's interests. The goal was to force Russia to sell oil and refined products at a steep discount.

If fighting Russia by Ukraine attacking refineries and the world imposing sanctions on Russian oil is enough to drive all countries to the far right, the world has a lot bigger problems than Russia. And that is ignoring that Italy is far right yet has been pretty strong in the fight against Russia.

Edited March 23 by Bevo

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9 minutes ago, Bevo said:

And that is ignoring that Italy is far right yet has been pretty strong in the fight against Russia.

Orban. Fico. AfD. Most of the Republican party.

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And have we even confirmed the US request to spare refineries wasn't BS?  I haven't seen it posted in any legitimate places.

 

[Pato del Muerto 52524]

Who is buying their oil?  India and China?  Why does all oil have to go up if their production is cut?  Weren’t we recently mad that they were buying Russian oil very cheap?  Why didn’t cheap Russian oil move the price of worldwide oil down to match?

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23 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Orban. Fico. AfD. Most of the Republican party.

Orban has been there since 2010 and Fico and Slovakia are frankly irrelevant to the world. Slovakia wouldn't even be a country if it weren't for politicians seeking to move power away from the Czech Republic so its whole identity is we aren't Czech. And Germany has been pretty terrible in the war so a move away from its currently leadership has kind of an unknown feel.

The concern you raise has more a feel of elected official self-preservation than any true concern for Ukraine.

Edited March 23 by Bevo