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[Parliament 14260]

How will they intercept the drones?  Fly up behind and give them a couple of rounds from the main gun?

[InkaUtexas 25981]

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

How will they intercept the drones?  Fly up behind and give them a couple of rounds from the main gun?

We could be like the russians and drop fuel on them.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-pentagon-video-shows-russian-fighter-jet-dumping-fuel-on-u-s-surveillance-drone

[Macanudo 12989]

14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

We sure they didn't have help from the French or Ukrainians?

Also, I can't help picturing this every time a story about the Tuaregs pops up, and man, they aren't taking anybody out (except maybe to McDonald's or the kids' soccer game)

Just wait until the Scirocco blows in.

[AUS-97HORN 11808]

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

How will they intercept the drones?  Fly up behind and give them a couple of rounds from the main gun?

if someone hasnt invented a very, very small WW2 hedgehog-style ball-bearing-ringlet  to drop over a  rotor drone, they probably should have, yesterday in fact.

 

fly above it, release based on radar estimates of speed, etc, let loose a small ring salvo, and hope for a contact hit.

and as we know, those things are fragile,  damaging just a single blade is probably enough to unbalance the drone enough to make it either malfuntion and land, or centripital/centrifical force itself to pieces.  

and using ball bearings instead of little bomblets means you dont have random small firecracker sized explosves all over the countryside waiting to blow someones hand off.

[Scheiss Meister 8408]

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

How will they intercept the drones?  Fly up behind and give them a couple of rounds from the main gun?

I've thought before that a squadron of P-51s or Corsairs would be right handy to intercept drones.  Better yet, a squadron of A-1 Skyraiders.  Those things had loiter times measured in days, not hours.  (Ok, slight exaggeration.  Still...)

[Brisketexan 105154]

I've thought before that a squadron of P-51s or Corsairs would be right handy to intercept drones.  Better yet, a squadron of A-1 Skyraiders.  Those things had loiter times measured in days, not hours.  (Ok, slight exaggeration.  Still...)

Embraer Tocano FTW:



Inka and the boy were just talking about that ideal choice the other night. Their time has come.

[Gatorubet 30246]

3 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

[Braff Zacklin 13618]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Embraer Tocano FTW:



Inka and the boy were just talking about that ideal choice the other night. Their time has come.

The militarized version of the ubiquitous Air Tractor, the OA-1K Sky Warden, has a loiter time of about six hours. And that's with a full combat load, supposedly. 

Looks like the byproduct of a Pilatus having sex with a Stuka.

[Bevo 13579]

4 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Are we still trying to manage Ukraine's war with Russia or is this Ukraine's decision?

 

 

 

[Gatorubet 30246]

15 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Are we still trying to manage Ukraine's war with Russia or is this Ukraine's decision?

 

 

 

Now that they have them, I don’t think they wanna lose them to Russian man-pad type weapons.   Preventing missile strikes on civilian centers - and perhaps more importantly, energy producing facilities as we lurch toward winter in four or five months - is perhaps more important than dropping bombs on Russian troops. 

[KYHorn 17076]

Only six Ukrainian pilots trained to fly new F-16 fighter jets

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/28/only-six-ukrainian-pilots-trained-to-fly-new-f-16-jet/

Spoiler

Only six Ukrainian pilots have reportedly been trained by European Nato members to fly F-16 fighter jets due to be delivered to Kyiv next month.

Ukraine has been urging its allies for months to send them the jets, claiming they would help defend against long-range strikes and bring about a swift end to the war.

Citing Ukrainian and Western officials, the Washington Post reported that not only are there far too few trained pilots to give Ukraine an edge but the jets can not immediately be used on the front line due to improving Russian air defences.

 

Several European countries have been involved in the programme to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s, which includes language training in Britain. But the project had limited spots and was marred by delays, the unnamed officials told the Post.

The officials said that Ukraine would only receive one squadron of F-16s this year, roughly 20 fighter jets, far fewer than it had been hoping for.

Russian military bloggers were quick to mock the situation, particularly for all the hype over F-16s and the hope they could change the course of the war.

Fighterbomber, a Telegram channel that specialises in aviation, said that six pilots meant Ukraine would only be able to deploy two fighter jets at the same time because “a pilot can’t work around the clock”.

“Two pilots are at most 10 combat sorties per day in total,” Fighterbomber said. “For the whole of Ukraine, 10 F-16 sorties is nothing.”

Volodymyr Zelensky have complained that the weapon pledges have come a little too late - MADS CLAUS RASMUSSEN/AFP

For two years, Ukraine has been asking for F-16 fighter jets to counter Russia’s domination of the skies. In total, 80 F-16 fighter jets have been promised to Ukraine by Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway and Belgium.

But Volodymyr Zelensky and Ukrainian commanders have complained that like with other weapons pledges, it is too little, too late. The officials said that when the much-vaunted F-16s do finally arrive in Ukraine, they won’t be the game-changers as hoped.

One reason is that Ukrainian commanders have said they will be deployed in a defensive capacity because Russia still controls the skies and has set up air defence systems across the front line, making it too risky to send out F-16s.

“We will not use it too close to the Russians” due to the threat of air defences, a Ukrainian official told the Washington Post.

Mr Zelensky with Ludivine Dedonder (L), Belgium's defence minister, and Alexander De Croo (R), Belgium's prime minister at an inspection visit - SIMON WOHLFAHRT/AFP

Basing the F-16s in Ukraine has also become a problem. F-16s need a long, clean runway, free of stones or debris. Over the past few weeks, Russia has been bombing the only suitable bases.

Ukrainian frustrations over the limited impact of the F-16s come as relations between Kyiv and Washington fray. US media reported that earlier this month, the Kremlin phoned Washington to warn that Ukraine was planning a covert operation that would trigger a bigger war. Furious and alarmed, the US reportedly ordered Kyiv to call off the attack.

On the battlefield, the Russian Ministry of Defence said that it had captured another village in Donbas.

Its forces have been making slow but steady progress over the past nine months but Russian military bloggers said that Ukraine’s robust defences, aided by its superior drones, meant they were struggling to break through.

“The incomplete (to put it mildly) technical readiness of our troops to confront hundreds of enemy first-person view drones significantly slows the advance of the Russian Army,” said Two Majors, the Russian military blogging channel.

 

[InkaUtexas 25981]

Its cool. Only need 1 if he looks like this guy.

[Chad Fuck 17684]

How will they intercept the drones?  Fly up behind and give them a couple of rounds from the main gun?

It’s been done.

(That’s a Spitfire doing a wing wiggle under a V-1)

[atomheartbevo 89727]

3 hours ago, Bevo said:

Are we still trying to manage Ukraine's war with Russia or is this Ukraine's decision?

2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Now that they have them, I don’t think they wanna lose them to Russian man-pad type weapons.   Preventing missile strikes on civilian centers - and perhaps more importantly, energy producing facilities as we lurch toward winter in four or five months - is perhaps more important than dropping bombs on Russian troops. 

As mentioned, not enough pilots, plus just the threat of them in the theater are going to force Russian aircraft deeper into Russian territory - that alone buys Ukraine a lot more time when missiles are launched. Their air-to-air capabilities can be used to intercept larger missiles and drones/UAVs - the US used F/A-18s to take down a lot of drones/missiles headed for Israel a while back.

Now fast-forward a few months, and if there are more pilots, and if Ukraine has continued to devastate Russian air defenses, who knows.

[bolverk 29684]

About that kerfluffle over in Mali.

 

The first 3 minutes are Russians bragging about all their latest advances in jerry-rigging shit to the tank, including rock-and-roll music to make it seem badass. The last 30 seconds show it gettin' blowed up.

 

[Deej 76830]

5 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I've thought before that a squadron of P-51s or Corsairs would be right handy to intercept drones.  Better yet, a squadron of A-1 Skyraiders.  Those things had loiter times measured in days, not hours.  (Ok, slight exaggeration.  Still...)

I think jet pack guy could handle it, and if he got shot down, who would care?

[Bevo 13579]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

As mentioned, not enough pilots, plus just the threat of them in the theater are going to force Russian aircraft deeper into Russian territory - that alone buys Ukraine a lot more time when missiles are launched. Their air-to-air capabilities can be used to intercept larger missiles and drones/UAVs - the US used F/A-18s to take down a lot of drones/missiles headed for Israel a while back.

Now fast-forward a few months, and if there are more pilots, and if Ukraine has continued to devastate Russian air defenses, who knows.

 

Sounds promising but KYHorn's article has a more somber note.

[Nivek 16945]

if someone hasnt invented a very, very small WW2 hedgehog-style ball-bearing-ringlet  to drop over a  rotor drone, they probably should have, yesterday in fact.
 
fly above it, release based on radar estimates of speed, etc, let loose a small ring salvo, and hope for a contact hit.
and as we know, those things are fragile,  damaging just a single blade is probably enough to unbalance the drone enough to make it either malfuntion and land, or centripital/centrifical force itself to pieces.  
and using ball bearings instead of little bomblets means you dont have random small firecracker sized explosves all over the countryside waiting to blow someones hand off.

Ball bearings might rely lucky contact too much. Something designed to linger more would likely be better, chaff, those little parachutes they use on firecrackers, might be a better option.

[atomheartbevo 89727]

33 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Sounds promising but KYHorn's article has a more somber note.

And that was always going to be a problem with F-16s and why people wanted F-18s or the Swedish aircraft, for the runways, but F-16s are plentiful and single engine = easier maintenance.

I still think we'll see them in air defense (and I do think they have some places in Western Ukraine figured out for them to base out of) for the time being.

But if they can clear anti-air in a path through Crimea, or control the sea enough, I wonder if we'd see them make a run at the bridge or any ships in harbor (even if it's using stand-off glide bombs or cruise missiles).

 

[Bevo 13579]

5 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Ukrainian frustrations over the limited impact of the F-16s come as relations between Kyiv and Washington fray. US media reported that earlier this month, the Kremlin phoned Washington to warn that Ukraine was planning a covert operation that would trigger a bigger war. Furious and alarmed, the US reportedly ordered Kyiv to call off the attack.

 

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

But if they can clear anti-air in a path through Crimea, or control the sea enough, I wonder if we'd see them make a run at the bridge or any ships in harbor (even if it's using stand-off glide bombs or cruise missiles).

 

Maybe, I'm not holding my breath, though. We have been waiting a few years it seems to train 6 pilots.

[atomheartbevo 89727]

46 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Maybe, I'm not holding my breath, though. We have been waiting a few years it seems to train 6 pilots.

I'm having a hard time believing that between us and the Europeans, we've only trained 6 pilots.  There's no way the USAF was doing a bunch of stuff at Luke AFB for 2-3 pilots, and the Europeans put together a group to train 2-3 pilots.

[BurntEyes 6001]

25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I'm having a hard time believing that between us and the Europeans, we've only trained 6 pilots.  There's no way the USAF was doing a bunch of stuff at Luke AFB for 2-3 pilots, and the Europeans put together a group to train 2-3 pilots.

I'm not questioning the knowledge of other posters in this thread, but I do know that sometimes false information is spread to alter the enemies perception of potential threat. No clue if that's the case here, but it sure as shit wouldn't surprise me.

[Nivek 16945]

I'm having a hard time believing that between us and the Europeans, we've only trained 6 pilots.  There's no way the USAF was doing a bunch of stuff at Luke AFB for 2-3 pilots, and the Europeans put together a group to train 2-3 pilots.

Probably messed up on a decimal.

[Pato del Muerto 52522]

Mikael:  why should I change name?  He is one who sucks!

[KYHorn 17076]

Warning: pretty brutal

So you don't have to click through:

 

Edited July 29 by KYHorn

[Zonahorn 8079]

Russian economy: 🚽

[NorthLoop 14215]

I wanna know who made that boat. It held up like a champ. 

[Captainant 27680]

2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Warning: pretty brutal

So you don't have to click through:

What's so fuckin crazy is that they're starting to make goddamn videogames about doing this to orks

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2300160/Death_From_Above/

[Bevo 13579]

2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Warning: pretty brutal

So you don't have to click through:

 

 

 

Nice job correcting for the wind - a little like hitting the green on a windy day in Scotland.

[Parliament 14260]

6 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Russian economy: 🚽

And that toilet was stolen from Ukraine.

Its’s another reminder that this war is one of attrition.  It’s the West’s willingness to help, combined with Ukraine’s literal ability to fight vs the Russian people’s willingness to live is deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper shit.  And in that perspective I don’t like our chances.  We need to kill Russians faster.  

[Schulz2.0 28960]

 

[Schulz2.0 28960]

 

[Parliament 14260]

God dammit, Germany.

[RPM 26322]

 

[Chopper 17238]

Here's hoping the Ukrainians have a full stack of sub drones at the ready.

Per the Ukrainian Navy spokesman: "Sometimes Russia's Black Sea Fleet is called a submarine fleet. Now it is true."

 

[Gatorubet 30246]

“ missing a couple million workers is not a problem and we are getting by just fine…”

[Gatorubet 30246]

41 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Here's hoping the Ukrainians have a full stack of sub drones at the ready.

Per the Ukrainian Navy spokesman: "Sometimes Russia's Black Sea Fleet is called a submarine fleet. Now it is true."

 

What if we pack some washing machines with explosives - and then float them out to the black sea and wait for them to be stolen by the subs?

[Laxtonto 12090]

40 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Here's hoping the Ukrainians have a full stack of sub drones at the ready.

Per the Ukrainian Navy spokesman: "Sometimes Russia's Black Sea Fleet is called a submarine fleet. Now it is true."

 

So they are now looking to use sub-based cruise missiles to attack Ukraine? This is a sign that they are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel regarding cruise missile production and instead are looking to use the much more expensive sub based systems... That is absolutely wild that they are insinuating that this is a good idea or a show of force. These are deterrent-based offensive weapons whose primary value is from surprise.  This is a sign of desperation and it they use them as just localized missile platforms, the Ukrainians will find a way to sink one of these. The Black Sea is tiny and I am fairly sure we know exactly where these subs are at all times... 

 

[Chad Fuck 17684]

What's so fuckin crazy is that they're starting to make goddamn videogames about doing this to orks
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2300160/Death_From_Above/

Training programs you mean?

[InkaUtexas 25981]

3 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So they are now looking to use sub-based cruise missiles to attack Ukraine? This is a sign that they are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel regarding cruise missile production and instead are looking to use the much more expensive sub based systems... That is absolutely wild that they are insinuating that this is a good idea or a show of force. These are deterrent-based offensive weapons whose primary value is from surprise.  This is a sign of desperation and it they use them as just localized missile platforms, the Ukrainians will find a way to sink one of these. The Black Sea is tiny and I am fairly sure we know exactly where these subs are at all times... 

 

Yeah, does not seem the best thing to do. Stand by for infrastructure hits in 1,2,3...

One thing this war has shown the world is all of Russia's equipment in actual combat and it is not that good. The navy was probably the last one to be tarnished.

We should loan Ukraine this dude.

 

[Zonahorn 8079]

22 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

What if we pack some washing machines with explosives - and then float them out to the black sea and wait for them to be stolen by the subs?

That’s basically what USV are

[Parliament 14260]

23 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So they are now looking to use sub-based cruise missiles to attack Ukraine? This is a sign that they are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel regarding cruise missile production and instead are looking to use the much more expensive sub based systems... That is absolutely wild that they are insinuating that this is a good idea or a show of force. These are deterrent-based offensive weapons whose primary value is from surprise.  This is a sign of desperation and it they use them as just localized missile platforms, the Ukrainians will find a way to sink one of these. The Black Sea is tiny and I am fairly sure we know exactly where these subs are at all times... 

 

What kinda weapons can we hang on a kickass American F16 to target these fucks?

[atomheartbevo 89727]

22 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

So they are now looking to use sub-based cruise missiles to attack Ukraine? This is a sign that they are pretty much scraping the bottom of the barrel regarding cruise missile production and instead are looking to use the much more expensive sub based systems... That is absolutely wild that they are insinuating that this is a good idea or a show of force. These are deterrent-based offensive weapons whose primary value is from surprise.  This is a sign of desperation and it they use them as just localized missile platforms, the Ukrainians will find a way to sink one of these. The Black Sea is tiny and I am fairly sure we know exactly where these subs are at all times... 

Would have to ask @blacklab but it seems like those things are extremely slow to be reloaded versus their surface ships and/or are very vulnerable when being reloaded. Seems like a really shitty localized missile platform for an ongoing war.

If they fire their load pretty much every day, they also give the Ukrainians and NATO satellites a look at what routes they are traveling and where they are being reloaded, etc. and that doesn’t seem like it would be good for them.

Could also be a sign they are worried about F-16s sneaking in and hitting some bombers or the air defenses have been pushed back so far because of Ukrainian drones/UAVs that the missiles they have available are out of range over land. Black Sea gives them a chance to get closer if these are shorter range missiles.   We will have to see the range on what they fire.

[Parliament 14260]

20 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

We should loan Ukraine this dude.

 

Or this dude:

 

[Chopper 17238]

Hopefully some of this is messaging to the West

this is the auto-translated version

 

Quote

 

Russia has practically completed preparations for a new massive strike. The enemy will likely focus on energy and transport infrastructure, in particular airfields, LB sources in the Defense Forces reported. It should be noted that the readiness for the task of strikes in the enemy is observed every week, and energy and transport infrastructure have long been its goals.

The previous week, the enemy carried out training departures of Tu-160 aircraft in a format close to the operation of strikes on Ukraine. This indicates the possible preparation of Russians to attract such aircraft for strikes.

At the previous level, there is a risk of damage to land facilities in Ukraine, in particular for Kyiv and regional centers of northern and western regions.

In general, the enemy is actively increasing the land potential of his army and transfers troops, weapons and equipment to the occupied territory. Conducts maneuvers between operating directions and increases defensive capabilities in the captured territory. Within a week, the enemy carried out an average of up to 90 combat missions of tactical/Army aviation and fired at up to 1,300 settlements (some repeatedly).

There is also evidence of changes in the enemy group. From the Dnieper direction, the enemy transferred 810 separate brigade of Marines to Donetsk region - it was included in the operational reserve of the Center group.

Also, 325 regiment of the Moscow Military District was transferred from the operational reserve to Kupyansky direction.

Given the changes in the ground grouping of the Russian armed forces, according to Ukraine, is up to 524,000. In addition, up to 35.8 thousand are the national enemy's army.

• Last week, interlocutors in the Defense Forces reported that the enemy was actively looking for new tactics for massive strikes. He does this to bypass the air defense.

 

•  

[B00M 6416]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Here's hoping the Ukrainians have a full stack of sub drones at the ready.

Per the Ukrainian Navy spokesman: "Sometimes Russia's Black Sea Fleet is called a submarine fleet. Now it is true."

 

What’s visibility like in the Black Sea? Will the one way UUVs need sonar to find the subs or will cameras be sufficient? Does Ukraine have access to western sonar systems? 

[atomheartbevo 89727]

5 minutes ago, Chopper said:

the enemy transferred 810 separate brigade of Marines to Donetsk region - it was included in the operational reserve of the Center group.

Also, 325 regiment of the Moscow Military District was transferred from the operational reserve to Kupyansky direction.

At this point, their brigades and regiments have got to be more like reinforced battalions.

5 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Given the changes in the ground grouping of the Russian armed forces, according to Ukraine, is up to 524,000. In addition, up to 35.8 thousand are the national enemy's army.

If they had 524,000 in Ukraine, it feels like we’d see a lot more action.  Of course, they could have a million and if all they have is golf carts and motorcycles to take them into battle, they are useless. 

[blacklab 11941]

15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Would have to ask @blacklab but it seems like those things are extremely slow to be reloaded versus their surface ships and/or are very vulnerable when being reloaded. Seems like a really shitty localized missile platform for an ongoing war.

If they fire their load pretty much every day, they also give the Ukrainians and NATO satellites a look at what routes they are traveling and where they are being reloaded, etc. and that doesn’t seem like it would be good for them.

Could also be a sign they are worried about F-16s sneaking in and hitting some bombers or the air defenses have been pushed back so far because of Ukrainian drones/UAVs that the missiles they have available are out of range over land. Black Sea gives them a chance to get closer if these are shorter range missiles.   We will have to see the range on what they fire.

Loading times are similar to surface ships, there's nothing complicated about them. That would be the best time to hit them.

If they have missiles that can only be launched from these subs they may as well use them.

I'm sure we got some sonar arrays somewhere in the black sea. If they are nuke boats we can track them pretty easily, if they are diesel we can track them easily when they are running the diesel, not so much when they go to battery.

In the mid 80's when we were fucking with Libya they sent out a couple of old old russian diesel subs towards a carrier. The subs that were nearby had orders to sink them if they switched to battery power. 

[RPM 26322]

When will they learn? Smoking kills!

https://x.com/WarMonitorClips/status/1817958314917187763

[atomheartbevo 89727]

18 minutes ago, RPM said:

When will they learn? Smoking kills!

https://x.com/WarMonitorClips/status/1817958314917187763

Between this and the boat video, this has got be creating a shitload of Russians who might get back to Mother Russia and then go bonkers when some kid plays with their little drone in the park. 

Seems like a few dozen unarmed drones could stop a Russian offensive just by popping up and chasing the Russians in the front who can’t take a chance that they are unarmed.