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 BREAKING: The first units of the DPR military have already arrived in the combat zone This was reported by The Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine's Defense Ministry. In particular, on October 23, the appearance of North Korean soldiers was recorded in Kursk Region of the Russian Federation. The Main Directorate of Intelligence of Ukraine estimates that a total of about 12 thousand DPRK military personnel have been transferred to Russia. Of them - 500 officers, including three generals

Most of them won't ever see a Ukrainian. Behold, your future: 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I am curious who is going to be more racist: the Koreans (who I am sure has been fed a superiority narrative since birth) or the Russians (who are Russians.) 

They would probably be actually impressed by russian grocery stores 

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25 minutes ago, Tuco said:

I am curious who is going to be more racist: the Koreans (who I am sure has been fed a superiority narrative since birth) or the Russians (who are Russians.) 

They are taught that they are the "Cleanest Race."  I'm sure this will be confirmed by the Russians.

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the US and the British thought similarly when they thought that by taking out all the German  industrial base needed product manufacturers' buildings via "precision" bombing in WW2.
turned out that what the Germans did after a factory got taken out, was to take the salvagable equipment, put it in a basement,  and instead of 200 machines all being in 1 building it was now 150 machines in 150 basements scattered around a city, and the net result was ze Germans were even more efficient at making ball bearings, gears, hydraulic punch press parts, etc.
post-war analysis showed the Germans were at peak production in the war as late as March.... reminding everyone that they fucking gave up officially on May 7.
 
point of my post is... never underestimate the Russians absolute need for the wodka.  and instead of large distilleries,  10,000 babushka led stills are just going to be put into production instead.
 

Can you cite your source?

Just asking because its counterintuitive and runs counter to a quick google search - https://www.worldhistory.org/article/2430/allied-bombing-of-germany/#:~:text=So%20many%20factories%20were%20hit,raids%20on%20cities%20were%20catastrophic.
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11 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

They are taught that they are the "Cleanest Race."  I'm sure this will be confirmed by the Russians.

In Kursk, the Nork General has a telescope.

In his pocket an ancient map of the whole scene.
He likes to keep his starving soldiers mean.
But It's a clean regime…

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On 10/24/2024 at 10:25 AM, AUS-97HORN said:

I am taking the Ricky Bobby approach

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with all due respect, you are completely misunderstanding the point.  you are clearly associating mfg of parts with mfg of COMPLETED war machines, like armored vehicles, planes, etc.  

I never said the Germans were building entire war machines up through March 45 I said they were able to overcome their primary mfg sites destructions by spreading out the fucking  parts to smaller shops spread all over. the basement part was a euphemism.

Reddit link showing Mfg only dropped by 5% as late as Nov of 44.

 

and there have been a lot of TV shows pointing out that it wasnt the lack of German Mfg that ended the war, it was their lack of a supply of real or synthetic oil that eventually doomed them.    Prime example when the ME-262 plants were captured, there were a literal fuckton of completed, partially completed, and new parts for the planes all over the damn place.   The Germans basically only stopped making the parts for the planes when they couldnt transfer them to the assembly plants anymore. and you can google that yourself, its well known. 

Same goes for rifles, handguns and the like. The allies captured a shitton of new-in-box rifles that had production dates in '45 stamped into the barrels,  a lot were melted down, but American soldiers were allowed to collect war trophies and a LOT of those guns- especially the brand new ones, ended up being captured and brought back to the US, which is why with a simple google search right now, you can find FFL dealers selling legit K98 Mauser's and Luger's for less than 2k

 

My point was simple- just because the main plant was destroyed didnt mean the mfg stopped.  and since we are fucking talking about vodka here, the only fucking thing holding Babuska Distilling Co. back and making more is a lack of bottles to put the completed product into for easy distribution.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, bolverk said:

How the hell is Russia going to scrape together 400 interpreters and 1,200 senior officers to babysit the 12,000 North Koreans?

Are those 12,000 going to live long enough to need interpreters and babysitters?

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2 hours ago, bolverk said:

How the hell is Russia going to scrape together 400 interpreters and 1,200 senior officers to babysit the 12,000 North Koreans?

‘What the f**k to do with them?’ Russian soldiers heard condemning North Korean recruits in intercepted audio
Russian soldiers have been heard raising concerns about how North Korean soldiers will be commanded and provided with ammunition and military kit, leaked intercepts obtained by the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine and released on Friday show.

The Russian soldiers talk disdainfully about the incoming North Korean soldiers, codenamed the “K Battalion,” at one point referring to them as “the f**king Chinese.”

In the same extract, a serviceman describes another who has been tasked to “meet people.”

“And he’s like standing there with his eyes out, like… f**k,” the soldier says. “He came here and says what the f**k to do with them.”

The audio was intercepted from encrypted Russian transmission channels on the night of October 23, according to Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence.

Ukraine’s analysis of the intercepts revealed that North Korean troop movements were planned for the morning of October 24, in the area of Postoyalye Dvory field camp in Russia’s Kursk region, where Ukraine launched a surprise incursion earlier this year.

The intercepts also reveal plans to have one interpreter and three senior officers for every 30 North Korean men, which the Russian soldiers are heard in the audio condemning.

“The only thing I don’t understand is that there [should be] three senior officers for 30 people. Where do we get them? We’ll have to pull them out,” one Russian serviceman says.

“I’m f***ing telling you, there are 77 battalion commanders coming in tomorrow, there are commanders, deputy commanders and so on,” a serviceman says in another extract.

The interepted audio follows a Thursday announcement from Ukraine’s military intelligence service that a group of North Korean soldiers have been spotted in Russia’s Kursk region, an area that borders Ukraine and has seen ongoing military operations.

In a post on its official Telegram account, the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine said some North Korean troops, who had received training in Russia’s far east, have made their way to the western Russian region, where Ukraine has maintained a foothold since launching an incursion in August.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that he received a report on the deployment of North Korean military personnel from Ukraine’s commander-in-chief.

“According to intelligence, on October 27-28, Russia will deploy its first North Korean troops in combat zones. This is a clear step in Russia’s escalation that matters, unlike all the disinformation circulating in Kazan these days,” Zelensky said, criticizing the BRICS summit staged by Russian President Vladimir Putin this week in the southwestern Russian city of Kazan.

The Kremlin had initially dismissed allegations of North Korean troop deployments, but on Thursday at the BRICS summit, Putin did not deny that Pyongyang had sent soldiers to the country.

North Korea said on Friday that any troop deployment to Russia to aid the war in Ukraine would conform with international law, state media reported, without explicitly confirming such presence. North Korea had previously dismissed such reports.

“The actual involvement of North Korea in combat should be met not with a blind eye and confused comments, but with tangible pressure on both Moscow and Pyongyang to comply with the UN Charter and to punish escalation,” Zelensky added.

Vladivlastok. There has been use of Nork labor in the past up in the Tundra. Logging, etc. I am sure they can get 1 or 2. And if not they will lie to the Red Army. Plus how many words do you need to tell someone go forward and die?

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3 hours ago, bolverk said:

How the hell is Russia going to scrape together 400 interpreters and 1,200 senior officers to babysit the 12,000 North Koreans?

‘What the f**k to do with them?’ Russian soldiers heard condemning North Korean recruits in intercepted audio
Russian soldiers have been heard raising concerns about how North Korean soldiers will be commanded and provided with ammunition and military kit, leaked intercepts obtained by the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine and released on Friday show.

The Russian soldiers talk disdainfully about the incoming North Korean soldiers, codenamed the “K Battalion,” at one point referring to them as “the f**king Chinese.”

In the same extract, a serviceman describes another who has been tasked to “meet people.”

“And he’s like standing there with his eyes out, like… f**k,” the soldier says. “He came here and says what the f**k to do with them.”

The audio was intercepted from encrypted Russian transmission channels on the night of October 23, according to Ukraine’s Defense Intelligence.

Ukraine’s analysis of the intercepts revealed that North Korean troop movements were planned for the morning of October 24, in the area of Postoyalye Dvory field camp in Russia’s Kursk region, where Ukraine launched a surprise incursion earlier this year.

The intercepts also reveal plans to have one interpreter and three senior officers for every 30 North Korean men, which the Russian soldiers are heard in the audio condemning.

“The only thing I don’t understand is that there [should be] three senior officers for 30 people. Where do we get them? We’ll have to pull them out,” one Russian serviceman says.

“I’m f***ing telling you, there are 77 battalion commanders coming in tomorrow, there are commanders, deputy commanders and so on,” a serviceman says in another extract.

The interepted audio follows a Thursday announcement from Ukraine’s military intelligence service that a group of North Korean soldiers have been spotted in Russia’s Kursk region, an area that borders Ukraine and has seen ongoing military operations.

In a post on its official Telegram account, the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine said some North Korean troops, who had received training in Russia’s far east, have made their way to the western Russian region, where Ukraine has maintained a foothold since launching an incursion in August.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that he received a report on the deployment of North Korean military personnel from Ukraine’s commander-in-chief.

“According to intelligence, on October 27-28, Russia will deploy its first North Korean troops in combat zones. This is a clear step in Russia’s escalation that matters, unlike all the disinformation circulating in Kazan these days,” Zelensky said, criticizing the BRICS summit staged by Russian President Vladimir Putin this week in the southwestern Russian city of Kazan.

The Kremlin had initially dismissed allegations of North Korean troop deployments, but on Thursday at the BRICS summit, Putin did not deny that Pyongyang had sent soldiers to the country.

North Korea said on Friday that any troop deployment to Russia to aid the war in Ukraine would conform with international law, state media reported, without explicitly confirming such presence. North Korea had previously dismissed such reports.

“The actual involvement of North Korea in combat should be met not with a blind eye and confused comments, but with tangible pressure on both Moscow and Pyongyang to comply with the UN Charter and to punish escalation,” Zelensky added.

Do you have a link for this?  I have a friend who served up on the DMZ and this would tickle him to no end. 

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Just now, Scheiss Meister said:

I saw a JS-2, a T-34/85, and an SU-122, all of which are WW II vintage.  If they're training on them, they're planning to use them.  They really are getting close to the bottom of the barrel.

Hello, fellow war thunder player. I couldn't tell if the SU's were 85s or 122s. I didn't spot the IS-2 though. Fuckin nuts that they're getting wheeled out. 

And also from war thunder, they're gonna have a real bad time against modern equipment and Bradley's. Russian WWII equipment was built with the expectation of having a service life measured in miles, I can't imagine it will integrate well into a modern force or have a lasting useful presence

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Hello, fellow war thunder player. I couldn't tell if the SU's were 85s or 122s. I didn't spot the IS-2 though. Fuckin nuts that they're getting wheeled out. 

And also from war thunder, they're gonna have a real bad time against modern equipment and Bradley's. Russian WWII equipment was built with the expectation of having a service life measured in miles, I can't imagine it will integrate well into a modern force or have a lasting useful presence

Not a war thunder player, but an old model tank builder and WW II buff.  I was also in the Marine Corps in the late 70s early 80s, and these were vehicles that were still in service in some Middle Eastern and Asian armies, so we might have seen them in action.  It's my understanding that the Russians still have a shitload of the 76mm anti-tank guns in storage from WW II.  They really are prepared to fight a very long war of attrition.

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33 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I saw a JS-2, a T-34/85, and an SU-122, all of which are WW II vintage.  If they're training on them, they're planning to use them.  They really are getting close to the bottom of the barrel.

And some of the guys training on them might have  used them the first time.  

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Hello, fellow war thunder player. I couldn't tell if the SU's were 85s or 122s. I didn't spot the IS-2 though. Fuckin nuts that they're getting wheeled out. 
And also from war thunder, they're gonna have a real bad time against modern equipment and Bradley's. Russian WWII equipment was built with the expectation of having a service life measured in miles, I can't imagine it will integrate well into a modern force or have a lasting useful presence

Certainly this is just some sort of rah rah patriotic check out our old remember when thing?

No way they’re sending those to the line, right?
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33 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

Some sobering reality here. The lack of an articulate and convincing plan from the current administration, who should know better, while they watch Ukraine lose more and more land and thus bargaining chips, is endlessly frustrating. 

 

 The rest of the thread is informative.

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"Dither and pither, piddle and puddle."  That's the US's approach to this.

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Israel did the Ukrainians and themselves a favor - they hit Iran’s ballistic missile production hard, and it may take a few years to come back. Apparently that was the big-ass explosions seen on social media. A while back, one of the OSINT guys had posted photos of Iranian stuff that had hit Ukraine and it had been produced fairly close to when it was used by the Russians. At this point, I wold think whatever Iran has, they are going to keep for themselves and not send to Russia.

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12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Israel did the Ukrainians and themselves a favor - they hit Iran’s ballistic missile production hard, and it may take a few years to come back. Apparently that was the big-ass explosions seen on social media. A while back, one of the OSINT guys had posted photos of Iranian stuff that had hit Ukraine and it had been produced fairly close to when it was used by the Russians. At this point, I wold think whatever Iran has, they are going to keep for themselves and not send to Russia.

Specifically I read the solid fuel mixers were hit and those have to be custom built in China. 

I do wonder if Iran and Russia's relationship will be a bit more strained going forward as they each have an enemy they have to fear striking them. Russia owes Iran some SU-35's from years ago. Instead it looks like Russia is going to tell them to just make their own:

https://armyrecognition.com/news/aerospace-news/2024/iran-to-produce-su-30-and-su-35-fighter-jets-following-russias-agreement

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5 hours ago, Viper said:

Specifically I read the solid fuel mixers were hit and those have to be custom built in China. 

I do wonder if Iran and Russia's relationship will be a bit more strained going forward as they each have an enemy they have to fear striking them. Russia owes Iran some SU-35's from years ago. Instead it looks like Russia is going to tell them to just make their own:

https://armyrecognition.com/news/aerospace-news/2024/iran-to-produce-su-30-and-su-35-fighter-jets-following-russias-agreement

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Iran’s Air Force currently operates a diverse fleet of fighter jets, including American-made F-14 Tomcats and F-4 Phantoms, as well as Russian-made MiG-29 and Su-24 aircraft. The fleet also includes domestically produced jets like the HESA Saeqeh and Kowsar.

The more diverse their air-fleet, the greater the maintenance and repair logistics problems.  

Ukraine needs every platform - no matter what is delivered - if an alliance partner can help get it flying. That is an entirely different template than for a nation like Iran seeking to gain air superiority in a region when surrounded by other nations who don’t want them to have it.

I would love to know the timeline of when a single SU-35 will be produced domestically.    Years, at minimum.   I assume Israel will let them keep spending money and defense resources on building them until they have enough of them made for Israel to destroy.

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18 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I would love to know the timeline of when a single SU-35 will be produced domestically.    Years, at minimum.   I assume Israel will let them keep spending money and defense resources on building them until they have enough of them made for Israel to destroy.

Russia has a pretty damn hard time making them, I can't imagine a significantly smaller nation like Iran having the capacity to build while Israel is dangling a sword of Damocles over their heads

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https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DBpKgN3tETl?xmt=AQGz4NbTtMpCn_kHnkp_86_esfuuhYyCWP_pe1LWXA4m0g

The Ethanol-Spirt distillery in Novokhopersk is burning.

 

https://www.threads.net/@24hoursofukraine/post/DBpMFqttM5m?xmt=AQGz4NbTtMpCn_kHnkp_86_esfuuhYyCWP_pe1LWXA4m0g

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Chemical production facility in the Novokhoper district of the Voronezh region, russia was hit tonight by UAVs. The distillery is used as part of the military rocket fuel supply chain.

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9 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DBpKgN3tETl?xmt=AQGz4NbTtMpCn_kHnkp_86_esfuuhYyCWP_pe1LWXA4m0g

The Ethanol-Spirt distillery in Novokhopersk is burning.

 

https://www.threads.net/@24hoursofukraine/post/DBpMFqttM5m?xmt=AQGz4NbTtMpCn_kHnkp_86_esfuuhYyCWP_pe1LWXA4m0g

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Chemical production facility in the Novokhoper district of the Voronezh region, russia was hit tonight by UAVs. The distillery is used as part of the military rocket fuel supply chain.

I'd bet they contribute to their aviation supply as well. Most of the russian air fleet uses ethanol as coolant in evaporative cooling systems for aircrew and for equipment and systems

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2 hours ago, Captainant said:

I'd bet they contribute to their aviation supply as well. Most of the russian air fleet uses ethanol as coolant in evaporative cooling systems for aircrew and for equipment and systems

Wasn’t ethanol used as propellant in torpedoes early in WWII?  Torpedo juice, IIRC.  I think the Navy had to mix denatured alcohol in to prevent consumption.  

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