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[atomheartbevo 89514]

4 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Talk me out of this because it has been creeping into my head for the past couple of months. Setting aside all other CR considerations:

An election that results in more of the same policies is more likely to mean Ukraine continues to lose slowly while Russia's economy and military continue to be substantially depleted. Put another way, will a Harris admin approach this differently and with much greater resolve and courage than the current admin? I haven't seen much to suggest otherwise. This increases the likelihood of a meaningful Russian breakthrough at some point, but even without that, Russia is able to take more territory and Ukraine loses more bargaining power than it already has for when the time comes to settle this.

Russia still hasn't kicked the Ukrainians out of Kursk, and Russia is now relying on thousands of North Korean troops to backfill various places along their border or in occupied areas (to free up Russian troops to go elsewhere). Russia is not in as good of a place as they may seem and Europe is pushing more and more modern hardware into Ukraine while Russia is getting 60 year-old tanks out of storage. Yes, we've said that before, but Russia is literally bringing in over 10,000 Norks, and they aren't hiding it.

And North Korea has a fairly small population of 25 million. While every man and woman of a certain age has to serve in the military, Lil Kim is a paranoid fucker and may not give up too many of his soldiers to Russia.

One other situation you didn't mention on the election front - a Harris win, if the R's retain control of a chamber, could see the R's automatically opposing anything she pushes, which could mean an end to a lot of Ukrainian aid. With that said, Texas's very own John Cornyn is publicly complaining that Biden/Harris haven't done enough to support Ukraine, and Cornyn could be the Republican Senate leader.

And who knows how they Norks fair on the open battlefield - they've literally had it drilled into their brains that they are the superior force, and they are about to find themselves getting hunted down by cheap drones. 

[InkaUtexas 25641]

Yes, there are a lot of NORK troops, but I don't think all are created equal. I mean, you need food and nourishment to be able to jump through fire rings. That only takes the best of the best of the best SIR.

Hopefully when Harris wins a lot of GOP won't feel like they are betraying the party by sticking with the current line against Ukraine aid.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

8 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Talk me out of this because it has been creeping into my head for the past couple of months. Setting aside all other CR considerations:

An election that results in more of the same policies is more likely to mean Ukraine continues to lose slowly while Russia's economy and military continue to be substantially depleted. Put another way, will a Harris admin approach this differently and with much greater resolve and courage than the current admin? I haven't seen much to suggest otherwise. This increases the likelihood of a meaningful Russian breakthrough at some point, but even without that, Russia is able to take more territory and Ukraine loses more bargaining power than it already has for when the time comes to settle this.

An election that results in a new admin where they are determined to end it now could result in significant and terrible concessions for Ukraine, but given the person in charge is unpredictable and highly sensitive to how he is perceived, the risk that it is seen as a "weak deal" would be an effective deterrent to giving up much to Russia and could actually end up strengthening the USA's resolve vis-à-vis the president and, therefore, Ukraine's bargaining power.  Again, this is highly dependent on capriciousness, so it's more likely to result in extremes. But, if it is appearing increasingly likely that the alternative admin would continue down the path of slow decline, then the chance of the more favorable result for Ukraine might actually lie with the counter-intuitive admin. 

Milking the clock is the play. Pressure the Russian people to take Putin down which kills a big piece of the cancer in their society.  Russia will fracture into smaller countries, China will take their chunk, Japan will take their islands.  Post election with Harris campaign gives us the best shot to squash the Russia problem as it's been for 50+ years. 

[MillerEP 30378]

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⚡️Sanctioned LNG ships gather off Russian coast as buyers withdraw, Bloomberg reports.
Tankers bearing sanctioned Russian liquefied natural gas (LNG) have clustered off Russia's eastern coast following suspension of operations at the Arctic LNG 2 plant, indicating that Moscow is unable to find buyers for its product amid sanctions.

 

https://www.threads.net/@reuters/post/DByTsAtuGOU?xmt=AQGz2mSrMOARIydHipTJE3whj1DT2XCJJtUnw3nxtOuDLA

US cracks down on Russia sanctions evasion in fresh action

[B00M 6359]

 

[kevwun 15716]

Why in the fuck are they using Chinese parts in something a western military uses?

[InkaUtexas 25641]

12 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Why in the fuck are they using Chinese parts in something a western military uses?

Lots do. Who else makes them? Shit, take a look at the Gravy Seals. They love that cheap chinese crap.

[kevwun 15716]

All good until the Chinese don't want you using them and remotely disable them because they all have a backdoor.

[Chad Fuck 17594]

Man, seems like a pretty good job program would be to start manufacturing that shit here?

[InkaUtexas 25641]

2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, seems like a pretty good job program would be to start manufacturing that shit here?

Dudes laid off from Tesla would be a start.

[jdhorn92 1544]

22 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

 

Hopefully when Harris wins a lot of GOP won't feel like they are betraying the party by sticking with the current line against Ukraine aid.

I believe this is the way.  At the risk of going CR, i agree wholeheartedly that if she wins, the R's wont have to kiss the ring anymore or be beholden to you know who.

[MillerEP 30378]

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Odesa being struck with cluster munitions....

 

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⚡️Ukraine could join Union by late 2029, EU official says.
Ukraine could join the European Union by 2029 if it completes the necessary reforms, EU Commissioner for Enlargement Oliver Varhelyi said on Oct. 29.
The European Commission has recently praised Ukraine’s progress on critical reforms, including those related to the rule of law, judicial system, and anti-corruption measures, though it emphasizes that further reforms are still required.

[NorthLoop 14143]

2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, seems like a pretty good job program would be to start manufacturing that shit here?

That was my immediate thought. 

[pops 6976]

3 hours ago, NorthLoop said:

That was my immediate thought. 

I don't know man... McDonald's up here is starting at 20 bucks an hour. Not sure who is going to build drones for 25 cents a day like the Chinese are willing to.  

[Viper 12053]

Is this for real? I only doubt because it's just fits too perfectly with all of our expectations 

 

The first video with a North Korean soldier who survived an attack by the armed forces on enemy positions has reached us - he says: "There were 40 North Koreans, they all died, I was left alone"

 

The surviving soldier complains about putin and calls on his compatriots to come to their senses and stay at home.

 

According to him, the russians promised that the soldiers of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea would build fortifications, but they forced them into battle in Kurshchyna.

[elfenix 34207]

19 hours ago, kevwun said:

Why in the fuck are they using Chinese parts in something a western military uses?

 

18 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, seems like a pretty good job program would be to start manufacturing that shit here?

 

CHIPS act does a lot of that, but it takes a while to build the plants (the giant samsung plant being built out front of taylor shoulda told ya)

[Viper 12053]

I wonder if this includes the Suwalki Gap

 

Poland has started construction of the Eastern Shield on the border with Belarus and Russia, – Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

 

The Eastern Shield involves the construction of fortifications, barriers and military facilities on NATO's eastern borders.

 

The shield will be 700 kilometers long, will cost nearly $2.5 billion, and is scheduled to be completed by 2028.

 

"The government intends to create a comprehensive defense infrastructure on NATO's eastern flank to counter threats from Belarus and Russia," Donald Tusk's office said.

[utee94 15752]

2 minutes ago, elfenix said:

 

 

CHIPS act does a lot of that, but it takes a while to build the plants (the giant samsung plant being built out front of taylor shoulda told ya)

Yeah it took us the better part of the last 30 years to move so much of that critical manufacturing overseas.  It's going to take a similarly long time to move it back, or at least out of enemy territory.

[B00M 6359]

18 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Man, seems like a pretty good job program would be to start manufacturing that shit here?

I think the time to do that might have been when DJI was eating Skydio’s market share? I mean hell, when I bought a cheap DJI several years ago, I assumed it was an American product because it was so good and well advertised. When I realized it was Chinese and looked for an American option, skydio’s drone was already wait listed. And getting bad reviews compared to the Chinese subsidized DJI equivalent. Eventually skydio just cancelled the wait list and stopped selling a consumer drone at all.

its unsettling how far we seem to be from true mass production of cost effective drones (and counter measures).

[AnTiM 1659]

9 minutes ago, Viper said:

I wonder if this includes the Suwalki Gap

 

Poland has started construction of the Eastern Shield on the border with Belarus and Russia, – Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

 

The Eastern Shield involves the construction of fortifications, barriers and military facilities on NATO's eastern borders.

 

The shield will be 700 kilometers long, will cost nearly $2.5 billion, and is scheduled to be completed by 2028.

 

"The government intends to create a comprehensive defense infrastructure on NATO's eastern flank to counter threats from Belarus and Russia," Donald Tusk's office said.

Please let us know when they build a wall high enough to stop ICBMs.

[Viper 12053]

8 minutes ago, AnTiM said:

Please let us know when they build a wall high enough to stop ICBMs.

Is this supposed to be a good point or something?

[Chad Fuck 17594]

1 hour ago, Viper said:

Is this for real? I only doubt because it's just fits too perfectly with all of our expectations 

 

The first video with a North Korean soldier who survived an attack by the armed forces on enemy positions has reached us - he says: "There were 40 North Koreans, they all died, I was left alone"

 

The surviving soldier complains about putin and calls on his compatriots to come to their senses and stay at home.

 

According to him, the russians promised that the soldiers of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea would build fortifications, but they forced them into battle in Kurshchyna.

This seems like a made for propaganda video for sure.  Who is taking the video?  One assumes it comes from the Ukrainian side because certainly it wouldn't have come from the Russian side.  Yet he talks about Russian commanders berating him after the assault, which presumes he wound up back in Russian hands?  Lots of questions here.

[B00M 6359]

1 hour ago, AnTiM said:

Please let us know when they build a wall high enough to stop ICBMs.

Your moms gaping vag stops ICBMs

[MillerEP 30378]

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Wohooooo 🔥💥🔥💥🔥💥
Multiple Russian aviation channels are reporting the loss of a Russian Su-34 fighterbomber this morning.

 

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North Korea Says Will Stand by Russia Until 'Victory' in Ukraine

 

^sigh

[Nivek 16887]

Is this supposed to be a good point or something?

Armchair military expert analysis. Like the majority of us but with more hubris. After all, I know a little about Ancient Greek history so that means I am qualified to talk about aircraft maneuvers in dogfights post Vietnam. What do you mean the Phantom is retired? It’s is basically the same as the F22!

[NorthLoop 14143]

7 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

 

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North Korea Says Will Stand by Russia Until 'Victory' in Ukraine

 

^sigh

We'll see how long that lasts as their army shrinks and shrinks. 

[RPM 26268]

2 hours ago, Viper said:

According to him, the russians promised that the soldiers of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea would build fortifications, but they forced them into battle in Kurshchyna.

They left out 1 tiny bit of info, it was a meat wall.

[Steel Shank 9417]

Your moms gaping vag stops ICBMs

Gonna need pics.

[B00M 6359]

48 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

We'll see how long that lasts as their army shrinks and shrinks. 

It’s a financial and technological decision for NK. Their fat fucking idiot leader gets to pocket all the sign on and monthly money Russia pays these NK soldier slaves. They also get a spy satellite and a submarine if I recall. 

[RPM 26268]

2 hours ago, B00M said:

It’s a financial and technological decision for NK. Their fat fucking idiot leader gets to pocket all the sign on and monthly money Russia pays these NK soldier slaves. They also get a spy satellite and a submarine if I recall. 

Plus, fewer mouths to feed. 

[Bevo 13535]

22 minutes ago, RPM said:

Plus, fewer mouths to feed. 

 

Yeah, it is an easy decision for a dictator. They don't give a shit about their people unless the people give them money or power. If the people cost money or jeopardize power, then they are a nuisance at best. 

[MillerEP 30378]

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Booooooom 💥💥💥💥💥💥
An oil depot in Russia's Stavropol region was attacked by a drone

 

https://www.threads.net/@24hoursofukraine/post/DB1kZidN9lj?xmt=AQGzn05v_QMeZROLvNjRGqwGUXn8g68z3XkbrjgOPzGWzg

THANK YOU USA 🇺🇸♥️🇺🇦
The US announces a new $425 million security assistance package for Ukraine that includes air-defense interceptors, air-to-ground munitions, artillery shells, missiles, armored vehicles, and more.

[Gatorubet 30167]

6 hours ago, AnTiM said:

Please let us know when they build a wall high enough to stop ICBMs.

Another couple years of sanctions and brain drain and they won’t have anything but T-64s to attack with anyway.  I think most of the Polish military dreams of Russia launching an ICBM at them.  

it does hit me that the Russian response to this could produce the need for Russia to beef up its own territorial defenses.  I mean, this is a NATO country defensive line. Granted, this is not the same financial drain as the Soviet Union faced at the end of the Cold War when they tried to keep up with us, but Russia is now a broke ass country, with Putin knee-capping the economy for decades in the future.  Which may mean that simply forcing them to increase spending on conventional weapons and border defenses - AFTER the SMO ends - will further bankrupt their asses in a serious way. 

 

[TeeDubya 3361]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

Another couple years of sanctions and brain drain and they won’t have anything but T-64s to attack with anyway.  I think most of the Polish military dreams of Russia launching an ICBM at them.  

it does hit me that the Russian response to this could produce the need for Russia to beef up its own territorial defenses.  I mean, this is a NATO country defensive line. Granted, this is not the same financial drain as the Soviet Union faced at the end of the Cold War when they tried to keep up with us, but Russia is now a broke ass country, with Putin knee-capping the economy for decades in the future.  Which may mean that simply forcing them to increase spending on conventional weapons and border defenses - AFTER the SMO ends - will further bankrupt their asses in a serious way. 

 

Ruskies are using T-34s at some training bases apparently.  T-34s.  

Edited November 1 by TeeDubya

[AnTiM 1659]

8 hours ago, B00M said:

Your moms gaping vag stops ICBMs

My mother was far too classy to call you a sorry piece of shit for that unwarranted comment but I am not.

[Eskimohorn 5625]

Ruskies are using T-34s at some training bases apparently.  T-34s.  

T-34’s, T-35’s - whatever it takes

[B00M 6359]

[atomheartbevo 89514]

3 hours ago, TeeDubya said:

Ruskies are using T-34s at some training bases apparently.  T-34s.  

 

When asked, the T-34s responded

 

 

 

[Armybrat 40768]

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

T-34’s, T-35’s - whatever it takes

They’ll take it and have to like it….

 

[SL Xpress 7505]

On 11/1/2024 at 8:55 AM, B00M said:

I think the time to do that might have been when DJI was eating Skydio’s market share? I mean hell, when I bought a cheap DJI several years ago, I assumed it was an American product because it was so good and well advertised. When I realized it was Chinese and looked for an American option, skydio’s drone was already wait listed. And getting bad reviews compared to the Chinese subsidized DJI equivalent. Eventually skydio just cancelled the wait list and stopped selling a consumer drone at all.

its unsettling how far we seem to be from true mass production of cost effective drones (and counter measures).

Well, mass production of almost anything. We don't make things, relatively speaking. It's an existential problem over the long term regarding our security, both militarily and economic. We don't even have the supply chain infrastructure to do so in many instances. 

[Armybrat 40768]

We have our bean counters to thank for that - persuading the corporate leadership to offshore most of our manufacturing, starting in the 1970s on a large scale.

[KYHorn 16910]

 

US-made jam-resistant drones helped Ukrainians cut through Russia EW - Defense One

The company's V-BAT drones "were launched 40 km from the front line, they flew 100 km, detected 11 Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, aimed at them and triggered HIMARS missile strikes," - Brandon Tseng, who founded Shield AI

Ukraine ordered more than 200 vehicles from Shield AI after it demonstrated its capabilities in combat conditions in August according to another article in WSJ.

 

Edited November 2 by KYHorn

[dimyh 1874]

Damn, I severely underestimated the Russian manufacturing capacity. If they can build a wooden chair to support that Seagal fatass then they could easily refurbish some T-34s into withstanding direct HIMARS hits.

 

 

[Gatorubet 30167]

He is clearly bucking for general.

[Macanudo 12953]

1 hour ago, dimyh said:

Damn, I severely underestimated the Russian manufacturing capacity. If they can build a wooden chair to support that Seagal fatass then they could easily refurbish some T-34s into withstanding direct HIMARS hits.

 

 

Jokes on you.   The chair is from IKEA.  

[Shaddie 1650]

54 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Jokes on you.   The chair is from IKEA.  

Like anybody left in Russian military could assemble something from IKEA. 

[Bevo 13535]

7 hours ago, Armybrat said:

We have our bean counters to thank for that - persuading the corporate leadership to offshore most of our manufacturing, starting in the 1970s on a large scale.

Only partly true - also tax laws, wage rates, unions (anti-robotics)... Manufacturing and R&D isn't very profitable but marketing and sales are. Lots of reasons behind the move.

[Armybrat 40768]

Bean counters summed up the points you made and used that to sway the corporate leaders.

[Schulz2.0 28881]

[Bevo 13535]

S. Korea is a very, very big weapons supplier.

 

And I think I could kick Steven Seagal's ass.