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43 minutes ago, Deej said:

Shutting down all the Russian OnlyFans models with be the death blow. 

I’m sure you know by now that I’m extremely supportive of Ukraine.   But let’s be very careful lest we wind up supporting something that is very likely an international war crime.

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1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

I’m sure you know by now that I’m extremely supportive of Ukraine.   But let’s be very careful lest we wind up supporting something that is very likely an international war crime.

Fuck that, plenty of hot chicks from countries that are not trying to exterminate their neighbor. If I have to not look at russian snatch for the greater good, so be it. Probably smells like shitty vodka anyways.

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If the “slowly at first then all at once” theory is still to apply to the Russian economy collapse, do we need the all at once to happen in the next 3 weeks, or is it past the point of rescue by changes in American foreign policy?

it’d piss me off if the collapse happens and the new admin gets/takes credit for it but that’s still better than the new admin rescuing them with policy change. 
 

eta: this is a post that belongs on the cr Ukraine thread probably, and I don’t like to read that one. Ignore the bulk- is the Russian economy over the precipice of the falls?

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3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If the “slowly at first then all at once” theory is still to apply to the Russian economy collapse, do we need the all at once to happen in the next 3 weeks, or is it past the point of rescue by changes in American foreign policy?

it’d piss me off if the collapse happens and the new admin gets/takes credit for it but that’s still better than the new admin rescuing them with policy change. 
 

eta: this is a post that belongs on the cr Ukraine thread probably, and I don’t like to read that one. Ignore the bulk- is the Russian economy over the precipice of the falls?

Without going CR I’ll say the average Russian is an order of magnitude tougher and more tolerant than humans.  What would drive America to collapse would be a…Tuesday in Russia.

What I’m saying is rock bottom is way lower than what it looks like to us here.  Russia will get MUCH worse before it collapses.  I don’t think we’re close to that.

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6 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Without going CR I’ll say the average Russian is an order of magnitude tougher and more tolerant than humans.  What would drive America to collapse would be a…Tuesday in Russia.

What I’m saying is rock bottom is way lower than what it looks like to us here.  Russia will get MUCH worse before it collapses.  I don’t think we’re close to that.

Also, what does "collapse" mean?  When people are in breadlines or pushing thier cars to the gas station?  Or when Putin gets Mussolinied?

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3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

My definition is this, when the Russian population says that’s enough and does something about it.  I don’t know if their history shows popular revolutions, military/political coups, or some of each. 

The Russian people are entirely insignificant and always have been, save in one respect: as a source of meat to be used by their masters.  Even in their brief moment of purportedly "popular" revolt 100+ years ago....they were already cultivating their next iteration of oligarchical masters.

All that matters is what the oligarchy does.  That has always been the case in Russia, and always will be.  

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There are a few levels of Pain levels in Russia I have looked at. Yeah, you got the poor fucks out in the Urals, Siberia who suck ass and can take a lot of shit. Then you have the "urban" pop in those areas. Yeah, they can take a lot compared to the west, but in some areas, like Siberia, they are dependent on a functioning some sort of government for basic needs, like heat. These can quick, but they are fucked either way. Gov falls, no services. Gov does not fall, well doesn't care, and never really did.

Then you have the old timers in the Urban areas. Moscow, etc. I think they can handle the breadlines since they did before. But the newer generations? I think they break quick. Grew up being told Russia is great, but now they might have to eat shit.

 

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4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Ok. Do we have an idea of their pain level?

The oligarchs?  Not really.  And, Putin did a masterful job of owning/undermining every single one of them.  They really aren't much of a threat.  It remains to be seen how well Putin plays geopolitics, but he OWNS internal Russian politics.  He has no rivals, and no prospects for rivals or threats.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The oligarchs?  Not really.  And, Putin did a masterful job of owning/undermining every single one of them.  They really aren't much of a threat.  It remains to be seen how well Putin plays geopolitics, but he OWNS internal Russian politics.  He has no rivals, and no prospects for rivals or threats.

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