Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[InkaUtexas 27068]

Video from inside. It sure as shit was hit by something. Panels knocked loose, airbags deployed.

 

[InkaUtexas 27068]

 

[KYHorn 17683]

Shout it from the rooftops

You allow Russia to invade one country, you invite Russia to invade the next country.

You allow Russia to shoot down one passenger plane, you invite Russia to shoot down the next passenger plane.

You allow Russia to cut one undersea cable, you invite Russia to cut more undersea cables.

Summarized: if you don’t make Russia regret one thing and by staying ignorant effectively even reward that malicious behavior, you just postpone for a bigger disaster. No negotiations are going to remedy this situation. This is objective experience backed by facts.

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[InkaUtexas 27068]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

I watch a lot of flight radar. It is an odd hobby from old days.

That is not a flight path. What is also odd is there are other Russian airports in the area and up north of there. Just seems odd an airplane in trouble would choose to cross over a large body of water.

Any pilots have any thoughts?

[KYHorn 17683]

Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.

The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield in more acts of Russian terrorism.

 

[KYHorn 17683]

Minutes before the crash and the crash itself

 

[InkaUtexas 27068]

One big question will be were there casualties while still in the air.

 

 

[atomheartbevo 90708]

58 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

One big question will be were there casualties while still in the air.

There's photos/film floating around of pooled blood in the cabin, with puncture holes through the cabin, but it's on social media so...hard to say.

[InkaUtexas 27068]

47 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

There's photos/film floating around of pooled blood in the cabin, with puncture holes through the cabin, but it's on social media so...hard to say.

Yeah, saw some of that but did not post. Fucked up situation. 

[Parliament 14642]

2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.

The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield in more acts of Russian terrorism.

And Chinese

[Trey3216 15458]

13 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Minutes before the crash and the crash itself

 

Looks like the pilots did a magnificent job of trying to controlled crash a very mechanically damaged airplane.  The up and down is allowing the plane to pickup speed so it can stay airborne for as long as possible.  

[Bevo 13940]

I wonder if it is safer to attempt landing on water or trying to land in a field with a damaged plane. 

[Macanudo 13360]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

I wonder if it is safer to attempt landing on water or trying to land in a field with a damaged plane. 

I'm not a pilot but I think water landings are almost always avoided at any cost.

[Brisketexan 107071]

3 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Looks like the pilots did a magnificent job of trying to controlled crash a very mechanically damaged airplane.  The up and down is allowing the plane to pickup speed so it can stay airborne for as long as possible.  

Yep, a lot like the United crash in Iowa, where they'd lost all hydraulics and thus use of control surfaces, so adjusted EVERYTHING using the engines.  They almost pulled off the landing, and still saved half the people on the plane, a lot like this flight.

[InkaUtexas 27068]

26 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep, a lot like the United crash in Iowa, where they'd lost all hydraulics and thus use of control surfaces, so adjusted EVERYTHING using the engines.  They almost pulled off the landing, and still saved half the people on the plane, a lot like this flight.

Except that one in Iowa was not full of russian shrapnel.

I give these guys the gold medal.

One thing I have not see is if the pilots survived. Does not make any change to the loss of life, still killed by russians, but they will have a lot of information. If they did get them to Holland yesterday.

[Ghost of LL 15733]

15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Except that one in Iowa was not full of russian shrapnel.

I give these guys the gold medal.

One thing I have not see is if the pilots survived. Does not make any change to the loss of life, still killed by russians, but they will have a lot of information. If they did get them to Holland yesterday.

Pilots were killed.

And the flight in Iowa was filled with good old American General Electric shrapnel when Engine No. 2 blew apart mid-flight.

[Schulz2.0 29316]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-was-downed-by-russian-air-defence-system-four-sources-2024-12-26/

[kevwun 16460]

That's not an area of the world I would be on an airplane in.

[taco 21]

I'm not a pilot but I think water landings are almost always avoided at any cost.

I believe this is probably true, but any reasons why?

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 had 50 survivors. Sully saved all of his passengers.

[ConferenceRoom 6215]

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

[InkaUtexas 27068]

58 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Pilots were killed.

And the flight in Iowa was filled with good old American General Electric shrapnel when Engine No. 2 blew apart mid-flight.

Not taking anything away from them at all, don't get me wrong.

 

[InkaUtexas 27068]

16 minutes ago, kevwun said:

That's not an area of the world I would be on an airplane in.

There is a wide swath around Ukraine and Russia with no overflight. But aircraft go into Grozny and Sochi all the time.

[kevwun 16460]

If there's active air defense systems in the area because of drone strikes, I'm not flying there.  Especially when it's a drunk Chechen or Russian manning it.

Edited 18 hours ago by kevwun

[Chad Fuck 18178]

I believe this is probably true, but any reasons why?

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 had 50 survivors. Sully saved all of his passengers.

Because airplanes make bad boats? I’m only half joking.

Slamming into water at whatever the landing speed of that thing was may as well be slamming into a brick wall. Then once that’s done, chances are you sink. Sure they have the ditching protocol - but let’s be realistic - even if you have a “successful” ditch then there’s a whole series of things that have to go just right for anyone to survive. Look at the shape of that airplane in the vids we’ve all seen where people are getting out and staggering away after it was Swiss cheesed by the Russians. Those people likely drown in a ditching, if they don’t wind up going down with the plane.

[NeverMarryAStripper 22346]

2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

Even with no waves, a water landing has to be made perfectly level and at just the right nose up angle.  

[atomheartbevo 90708]

23 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Because airplanes make bad boats? I’m only half joking.

Slamming into water at whatever the landing speed of that thing was may as well be slamming into a brick wall. Then once that’s done, chances are you sink. Sure they have the ditching protocol - but let’s be realistic - even if you have a “successful” ditch then there’s a whole series of things that have to go just right for anyone to survive. Look at the shape of that airplane in the vids we’ve all seen where people are getting out and staggering away after it was Swiss cheesed by the Russians. Those people likely drown in a ditching, if they don’t wind up going down with the plane.

Yep, unstrapping yourself under water, potentially sideways or upside down, is no joke.  I had to do some water training with a helicopter rig that was submerged and flipped upside down.  Even knowing it was in a swimming pool, and that there were divers 10 feet away, and having been walked through it beforehand, it was still tough.

[Macanudo 13360]

2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

Sullenberger caught a lot of shit initially for landing on the Hudson in 2009.  The FAA was kind of hellbent on proving that he could have made Newark or Teterboro.    Proof was in the pudding that there was no way to do so.

 

[Armybrat 41504]

8 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Even with no waves, a water landing has to be made perfectly level and at just the right nose up angle.  

My brother witnessed this Pan Am airliner ditching just outside San Juan Bay, Puerto Rico in 1952. 
We were stationed at Fort Brooke which was located within the walls of El Morro at the time.

Brother was out on his bike delivering the Miami Herald newspaper at the time.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-record-1952-ny-flight-returnin/35018873/

[Nivek 17445]

Compressibility of water is very low. There is a reason the Brits designed a damn buster to sink like a depth charge rather than just bomb the dam from the dry side.

[SL Xpress 7613]

3 hours ago, kevwun said:

If there's active air defense systems in the area because of drone strikes, I'm not flying there.  Especially when it's a drunk Chechen or Russian manning it.

 

Or a Navy destroyer with a phalanx system accidentally left on. 

[Parliament 14642]

Too soon.

[b_p 456]

3D flight path from FR24.  Likely loss of hydraulics for the control surfaces and damage to the horizontal stabilizer - they were probably trying to fly using only thrust to control pitch.  That must have been an absolutely terrifying stretch for everyone on board.

 

[Parliament 14642]

1 hour ago, b_p said:

3D flight path from FR24.  Likely loss of hydraulics for the control surfaces and damage to the horizontal stabilizer - they were probably trying to fly using only thrust to control pitch.  That must have been an absolutely terrifying stretch for everyone on board.

 

Better than Six Flags!

[Telegraph_it 3393]

I can believe this. 
 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13759]

Has Russia ever agreed that their missiles and crew shot down the MH17 flight over Ukraine in 2014? They will deny this new incident as fake news and it’s possible that the small countries will quietly accept it. Maybe there will be some payoff to the country leadership to let it drop.

[KYHorn 17683]

 

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