Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[InkaUtexas 27083]

Video from inside. It sure as shit was hit by something. Panels knocked loose, airbags deployed.

 

[InkaUtexas 27083]

 

[KYHorn 17698]

Shout it from the rooftops

You allow Russia to invade one country, you invite Russia to invade the next country.

You allow Russia to shoot down one passenger plane, you invite Russia to shoot down the next passenger plane.

You allow Russia to cut one undersea cable, you invite Russia to cut more undersea cables.

Summarized: if you don’t make Russia regret one thing and by staying ignorant effectively even reward that malicious behavior, you just postpone for a bigger disaster. No negotiations are going to remedy this situation. This is objective experience backed by facts.

[atomheartbevo 90757]

 

[InkaUtexas 27083]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

I watch a lot of flight radar. It is an odd hobby from old days.

That is not a flight path. What is also odd is there are other Russian airports in the area and up north of there. Just seems odd an airplane in trouble would choose to cross over a large body of water.

Any pilots have any thoughts?

[KYHorn 17698]

Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.

The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield in more acts of Russian terrorism.

 

[KYHorn 17698]

Minutes before the crash and the crash itself

 

[InkaUtexas 27083]

One big question will be were there casualties while still in the air.

 

 

[atomheartbevo 90757]

58 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

One big question will be were there casualties while still in the air.

There's photos/film floating around of pooled blood in the cabin, with puncture holes through the cabin, but it's on social media so...hard to say.

[InkaUtexas 27083]

47 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

There's photos/film floating around of pooled blood in the cabin, with puncture holes through the cabin, but it's on social media so...hard to say.

Yeah, saw some of that but did not post. Fucked up situation. 

[Parliament 14644]

2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Here we go again with more undersea cables destroyed.

The damage of the two undersea cables Eastlink 1 and 2, which are connecting Estonia and Finland, are only the latest examples what happens if you don't put high prices on acts of sabotage like this. Impunity will only yield in more acts of Russian terrorism.

And Chinese

[Trey3216 15458]

13 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Minutes before the crash and the crash itself

 

Looks like the pilots did a magnificent job of trying to controlled crash a very mechanically damaged airplane.  The up and down is allowing the plane to pickup speed so it can stay airborne for as long as possible.  

[Bevo 13957]

I wonder if it is safer to attempt landing on water or trying to land in a field with a damaged plane. 

[Macanudo 13360]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

I wonder if it is safer to attempt landing on water or trying to land in a field with a damaged plane. 

I'm not a pilot but I think water landings are almost always avoided at any cost.

[Brisketexan 107102]

3 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Looks like the pilots did a magnificent job of trying to controlled crash a very mechanically damaged airplane.  The up and down is allowing the plane to pickup speed so it can stay airborne for as long as possible.  

Yep, a lot like the United crash in Iowa, where they'd lost all hydraulics and thus use of control surfaces, so adjusted EVERYTHING using the engines.  They almost pulled off the landing, and still saved half the people on the plane, a lot like this flight.

[InkaUtexas 27083]

26 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yep, a lot like the United crash in Iowa, where they'd lost all hydraulics and thus use of control surfaces, so adjusted EVERYTHING using the engines.  They almost pulled off the landing, and still saved half the people on the plane, a lot like this flight.

Except that one in Iowa was not full of russian shrapnel.

I give these guys the gold medal.

One thing I have not see is if the pilots survived. Does not make any change to the loss of life, still killed by russians, but they will have a lot of information. If they did get them to Holland yesterday.

[Ghost of LL 15739]

15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Except that one in Iowa was not full of russian shrapnel.

I give these guys the gold medal.

One thing I have not see is if the pilots survived. Does not make any change to the loss of life, still killed by russians, but they will have a lot of information. If they did get them to Holland yesterday.

Pilots were killed.

And the flight in Iowa was filled with good old American General Electric shrapnel when Engine No. 2 blew apart mid-flight.

[Schulz2.0 29318]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/azerbaijan-airlines-flight-was-downed-by-russian-air-defence-system-four-sources-2024-12-26/

[kevwun 16461]

That's not an area of the world I would be on an airplane in.

[taco 21]

I'm not a pilot but I think water landings are almost always avoided at any cost.

I believe this is probably true, but any reasons why?

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 had 50 survivors. Sully saved all of his passengers.

[ConferenceRoom 6215]

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

[InkaUtexas 27083]

58 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Pilots were killed.

And the flight in Iowa was filled with good old American General Electric shrapnel when Engine No. 2 blew apart mid-flight.

Not taking anything away from them at all, don't get me wrong.

 

[InkaUtexas 27083]

16 minutes ago, kevwun said:

That's not an area of the world I would be on an airplane in.

There is a wide swath around Ukraine and Russia with no overflight. But aircraft go into Grozny and Sochi all the time.

[kevwun 16461]

If there's active air defense systems in the area because of drone strikes, I'm not flying there.  Especially when it's a drunk Chechen or Russian manning it.

Edited Thursday at 10:18 PM by kevwun

[Chad Fuck 18180]

I believe this is probably true, but any reasons why?

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961 had 50 survivors. Sully saved all of his passengers.

Because airplanes make bad boats? I’m only half joking.

Slamming into water at whatever the landing speed of that thing was may as well be slamming into a brick wall. Then once that’s done, chances are you sink. Sure they have the ditching protocol - but let’s be realistic - even if you have a “successful” ditch then there’s a whole series of things that have to go just right for anyone to survive. Look at the shape of that airplane in the vids we’ve all seen where people are getting out and staggering away after it was Swiss cheesed by the Russians. Those people likely drown in a ditching, if they don’t wind up going down with the plane.

[NeverMarryAStripper 22371]

2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

Even with no waves, a water landing has to be made perfectly level and at just the right nose up angle.  

[atomheartbevo 90757]

23 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Because airplanes make bad boats? I’m only half joking.

Slamming into water at whatever the landing speed of that thing was may as well be slamming into a brick wall. Then once that’s done, chances are you sink. Sure they have the ditching protocol - but let’s be realistic - even if you have a “successful” ditch then there’s a whole series of things that have to go just right for anyone to survive. Look at the shape of that airplane in the vids we’ve all seen where people are getting out and staggering away after it was Swiss cheesed by the Russians. Those people likely drown in a ditching, if they don’t wind up going down with the plane.

Yep, unstrapping yourself under water, potentially sideways or upside down, is no joke.  I had to do some water training with a helicopter rig that was submerged and flipped upside down.  Even knowing it was in a swimming pool, and that there were divers 10 feet away, and having been walked through it beforehand, it was still tough.

[Macanudo 13360]

2 hours ago, ConferenceRoom said:

A lot of it depends on the severity of waves. A river or the lee side of an island are good candidates for water landings. 

Sullenberger caught a lot of shit initially for landing on the Hudson in 2009.  The FAA was kind of hellbent on proving that he could have made Newark or Teterboro.    Proof was in the pudding that there was no way to do so.

 

[Armybrat 41523]

8 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Even with no waves, a water landing has to be made perfectly level and at just the right nose up angle.  

My brother witnessed this Pan Am airliner ditching just outside San Juan Bay, Puerto Rico in 1952. 
We were stationed at Fort Brooke which was located within the walls of El Morro at the time.

Brother was out on his bike delivering the Miami Herald newspaper at the time.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-times-record-1952-ny-flight-returnin/35018873/

[Nivek 17464]

Compressibility of water is very low. There is a reason the Brits designed a damn buster to sink like a depth charge rather than just bomb the dam from the dry side.

[SL Xpress 7618]

3 hours ago, kevwun said:

If there's active air defense systems in the area because of drone strikes, I'm not flying there.  Especially when it's a drunk Chechen or Russian manning it.

 

Or a Navy destroyer with a phalanx system accidentally left on. 

[Parliament 14644]

Too soon.

[b_p 458]

3D flight path from FR24.  Likely loss of hydraulics for the control surfaces and damage to the horizontal stabilizer - they were probably trying to fly using only thrust to control pitch.  That must have been an absolutely terrifying stretch for everyone on board.

 

[Parliament 14644]

1 hour ago, b_p said:

3D flight path from FR24.  Likely loss of hydraulics for the control surfaces and damage to the horizontal stabilizer - they were probably trying to fly using only thrust to control pitch.  That must have been an absolutely terrifying stretch for everyone on board.

 

Better than Six Flags!

[Telegraph_it 3397]

I can believe this. 
 

 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13766]

Has Russia ever agreed that their missiles and crew shot down the MH17 flight over Ukraine in 2014? They will deny this new incident as fake news and it’s possible that the small countries will quietly accept it. Maybe there will be some payoff to the country leadership to let it drop.

[KYHorn 17698]

 

[Schulz2.0 29318]

 

[atomheartbevo 90757]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Has Russia ever agreed that their missiles and crew shot down the MH17 flight over Ukraine in 2014? They will deny this new incident as fake news and it’s possible that the small countries will quietly accept it. Maybe there will be some payoff to the country leadership to let it drop.

Igor Girkin kind of admitted to it.

[Bevo 13957]

42 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

 

Well, that most definitely sucks.

[KYHorn 17698]

The case around oil tankers Eagle-S, which is most certainly responsible for damaging the Estlink-2 undersea cable, is getting even more interesting. It appears that ship was not only involved in sabotage but in espionage, as well.

„The Eagle-S had transmitting and receiving devices installed that effectively allowed it to become a spy ship for Russia, Lloyd‘s List has learnt.“

„The hi-tech equipment on board was abnormal for a merchant ship and consumed more power from the ship’s generator, leading to repeated blackouts, a source familiar with the vessel who provided commercial maritime services to it as recently as seven months ago.“

I think the Finnish police has caught a major fish. This is a devastating strike against Russian spy agencies and another great embarrassment for Moscow.

 

Edited 14 hours ago by KYHorn

[KYHorn 17698]

 

[Ted Lange 16526]

4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

They will deny this new incident as fake news and it’s possible that the small countries will quietly accept it.

40% of the US population would gleefully accept it.   

Edited 13 hours ago by Ted Lange

[SL Xpress 7618]

7 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

40% of the US population would gleefully accept it.   

Until Pearl Harbor World War II was a European war. Roosevelt won reelection in 1940 in part campaigning on the idea he kept us out of it. 

90% of the population doesn't give a shit. Probably more. 

It's funny talking to people from other countries and trying to explain how overwhelmingly indifferent Americans are to foreign involvement. They sputter and infuriatingly point out all the activities the US has engaged in, how much the US uses its influence in foreign affairs, militarily, economically, and otherwise. The elites of this country have been responsible for all that. In my opinion, mostly for the good, and certainly for the benefit of Americans.

But in the vast majority of Americans' minds, we're better off undoing all the international linkages. As a populist message it's going to sell well. As an actual foreign policy, it's a nightmare that can't be undone. 

The general population honestly just doesn't give a shit about Russian atrocities. That's the blunt truth. 

[NeverMarryAStripper 22371]

11 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Until Pearl Harbor World War II was a European war. Roosevelt won reelection in 1940 in part campaigning on the idea he kept us out of it. 

This is exactly why he allowed the attack to occur unopposed

[atomheartbevo 90757]

1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

But in the vast majority of Americans' minds, we're better off undoing all the international linkages. As a populist message it's going to sell well. As an actual foreign policy, it's a nightmare that can't be undone. 

They have no idea that a part of our economic might is tied to the fact that we are The Superpower in the world. Some of the dumbasses might even think it was a good thing if the USD stopped being the defacto world currency.

1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

The general population honestly just doesn't give a shit about Russian atrocities. That's the blunt truth. 

Yep. Russians shoot down an airliner, few care.  Russians lob missiles at children's hospitals or schools, few care.

This war is weird as hell - way too many people are trying to pretend that Russia is straight-up trying to reclaim an empire by force.