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They’d clearly been saving up. 110 “go off radar” … is that a nice way of saying they landed in Ukraine, probably near their targets? 

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1 minute ago, B00M said:

They’d clearly been saving up. 110 “go off radar” … is that a nice way of saying they landed in Ukraine, probably near their targets? 

Some of it is drones going off course because of EW jamming.

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10 hours ago, Anastasis said:

You are wasting your time here. Dealing with the same energy and firing synapses that bought hook line and sinker nigerian yellow cake propaganda two decades ago. 

Oh, look! ^Crackhead Bob's here with his hot take!

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Posted
16 hours ago, B00M said:

You mean the largest country on the planet didn’t invade Ukraine PURELY for more territory? They did it for many other reasons, none of which actually justify their actions at all? Fuck RFK

But surely you don't believe them, right? That the Ukrainian territories in question actually want to be part of Russia but the "Neo Nazis" within their government are conspiring with us to prevent it? Ukraine wanting to be a member of NATO is way more believable than what the Russian government is saying publicly. 

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8 hours ago, staboner said:

I can put some value on those arguments ^ and still disagree with Russia's actions on this war. The idea that influence and security threats gives Russia a get out of jail free card is BS. they are acting as the aggressor in this situation, whether they feel justified or not doesn't matter. We take the side of the country at least trying to have a democracy and which is being invaded. well, at least we used to side with the democracies of the world. sigh what a time to be alive. 

At the same time the military industrial complex can still be out of control, can still have a hand in this mess, and can still have too much power in foreign policy decisions. All these things can coexist, yellow cake and all. 

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This is kinda where I am at. As was discussed earlier, the whole loss of life has been very tragic for both sides. I’m very anti-Russian from having nuclear attack drills, in school as a kid. 
 

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4 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

This is kinda where I am at. As was discussed earlier, the whole loss of life has been very tragic for both sides. I’m very anti-Russian from having nuclear attack drills, in school as a kid. 
 

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What is interesting is none of those deaths would have happened if Putin did not want to be a dick and rebuild the Czarist empire. he thought it would be a walk in the park. Most agreed. Some who studied Ukraine knew they would never lay down.

I expected Russia to be able to do more. But never win.

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46 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I finally learned last night to not discuss anything with him. Just not worth it.

 

I thought it was entertaining. “Bitch I can still hurl a 70mph fastball” was select. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I thought it was entertaining. “Bitch I can still hurl a 70mph fastball” was select. 

But it does not get anywhere. So why?

Something something MIC.

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2 hours ago, Parliament said:

When you’ve lost Switzerland, you’ve lost everyone.  When’s the last time they sent troops somewhere?

They won't be as smartly attired as these Swiss though.

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4 minutes ago, 27-25 said:

They won't be as smartly attired as these Swiss though.

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Dated a girl in Locarno. First night I crashed at her place her rifle was in the corner. She had drill the next day. Damn she looked good in fatigues.

But the swiss have never projected outside of their valleys. 200 ain't gonna do shit. Plus what will happen to the chocolate/swiss watch/ stacking firewood industries?

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1 hour ago, CHIEF said:

This is kinda where I am at. As was discussed earlier, the whole loss of life has been very tragic for both sides. I’m very anti-Russian from having nuclear attack drills, in school as a kid. 
 

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There would have been a lot less loss of life had we stayed out of WW2. Do you think that makes a compelling argument that we should have?

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2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

What is interesting is none of those deaths would have happened if Putin did not want to be a dick and rebuild the Czarist empire. he thought it would be a walk in the park. Most agreed. Some who studied Ukraine knew they would never lay down.

I expected Russia to be able to do more. But never win.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with Inka on this.  I thought Russia would create a puppet government who had to contend with years of gorilla attacks and civil disobedience that made Afghanistan look like an easy time and an economic bargain.

The bright light in this darkness is Trump‘s going all in with Putin in such a non-sophisticated way insulting way.  I’m sure it is in Europe’s normal best interest to defer/along with the US.    Had Trump half heartedly pretended to support Ukraine while fucking up every chance to help Ukraine over the long-term, Trump could’ve prevented the Baltic and Nordic states joining with Poland to go their own way and protect their countries from a Russian takeover of Ukraine.

Now that they know they are on their own they will likely wind up being a bigger threat to Russia than if they were agreeing to be on the sidelines letting America take the lead. 

It is terrible for America that we lose our international influence and respect, but it may coalesce Ukraine’s neighbors and the France, Britain Germany triad to fill the power vacuum and help them more over the long run.

Or I could be smoking a bowl of Copium.

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3 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

I would argue that the loss of life would probably my have been greater

Agree. Japan would have continued its shit across Asia down into Austrailia. India was next.

Germany would have continued across Russia.

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17 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

There would have been a lot less loss of life had we stayed out of WW2. Do you think that makes a compelling argument that we should have?

Staying out of WWII was our foreign policy stance until Dec. 7, 1941. Sure, we had a lend/lease deal with Great Britain. But I'm not sure what our stance would have been had we not been attacked by the Japanese. Our Declaration of War on the Japanese meant that Germany and Italy declared war on the US, being their allies. We didn't start it, but we damned sure finished it. Our wartime defense manufacturing complex was the only one left standing, and it pulled the US out of The Great Depression.

Am I glad the US stepped in, absolutely. If the war had dragged on a few years longer, Germany would not have only had the best operational jet fighters, and the V2, it would also have had the atomic bomb, and thus would have been the first and only nuclear super power. If that would have happened, I would argue that there wouldn't have been less loss of life but more. Instead it ended up being the US, as that lone super power, and what we wanted was for the war to end. Luckily, our German engineers were better than the Russian's engineers until 1949.

 

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1 hour ago, CHIEF said:

Staying out of WWII was our foreign policy stance until Dec. 7, 1941. Sure, we had a lend/lease deal with Great Britain. But I'm not sure what our stance would have been had we not been attacked by the Japanese. Our Declaration of War on the Japanese meant that Germany and Italy declared war on the US, being their allies. We didn't start it, but we damned sure finished it. Our wartime defense manufacturing complex was the only one left standing, and it pulled the US out of The Great Depression.

Am I glad the US stepped in, absolutely. If the war had dragged on a few years longer, Germany would not have only had the best operational jet fighters, and the V2, it would also have had the atomic bomb, and thus would have been the first and only nuclear super power. If that would have happened, I would argue that there wouldn't have been less loss of life but more. Instead it ended up being the US, as that lone super power, and what we wanted was for the war to end. Luckily, our German engineers were better than the Russian's engineers until 1949.

 

Your history is pretty different from my reading of history. The US was very much not staying "neutral" while acting as "the arsenal of democracy" prior to the US formally joining the war as a belligerent. The only reason the US was not actively involved in the fighting was the incorrect popular belief that whatever happened in Europe would stay in Europe. German U-boats were sinking merchant marine tonnage starting in the late 1930s.

Further, Germany declared war on America on its own. The tripartite pact did not require or demand mutual defense. 

Your science is way off too. Germany was a LONG way from the Bomb. We know this for a fact. They had a wrong model of the atom and were nowhere close to a self sustaining reaction, much less a prompt supercritical mass required for a nuclear detonation. Ironically, much of their scientific failure was due to rejection of "Jewish" science. 

I do wonder how many advancements we will lose out on as Americans due to cutting off "Woke" sciences.

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24 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

Staying out of WWII was our foreign policy stance until Dec. 7, 1941. Sure, we had a lend/lease deal with Great Britain. But I'm not sure what our stance would have been had we not been attacked by the Japanese. Our Declaration of War on the Japanese meant that Germany and Italy declared war on the US, being their allies. We didn't start it, but we damned sure finished it. Our wartime defense manufacturing complex was the only one left standing, and it pulled the US out of The Great Depression.

Am I glad the US stepped in, absolutely. If the war had dragged on a few years longer, Germany would not have only had the best operational jet fighters, and the V2, it would also have had the atomic bomb, and thus would have been the first and only nuclear super power. If that would have happened, I would argue that there wouldn't have been less loss of life but more. Instead it ended up being the US, as that lone super power, and what we wanted was for the war to end. Luckily, our German engineers were better than the Russian's engineers until 1949.

 

I recently saw an interesting documentary about the battle of Britain and the chain home radar network that allowed Britain to barely eke out a win in the battle with Goering.  

It seems that the top German radar scientist flew over Britain’s newly erected radar towers in the Graf Zeppelin right before war started.   Because of the urgency for radar and the lack of prior research, Britain chose some of the simplest tech imaginable, powering the radar system with the countries power grid and synchronizing the radar system.

When the Luftwaffe Zeppelin experts and their then-sophisticated radar detection instruments looked at it, they concluded that the sounds they picked up were sparks from the country’s grid - and far too primitive to be a radar network.  It seems their own work on radar was so far advanced than Britain’s that they worked on entirely different frequencies, giving entirely different sounds to look for.  Germany completely discounted Britain having a working radar detection system that allowed fighter command to stay at their bases instead of flying patrols - allowing them to converge on incoming bombers when they received the hundred miles away warning from radar.  Without winning the Battle of Britain, Germany’s invasion of Britain under operation Sea Lion might have been a thing once Germany’s Luftwaffe gained air superiority over the channel.  Without great Britain as a staging area, there would’ve been no D-Day landings in June 44

Germany left to its own devices and no American intervention would have very likely wound up controlling the world.   Thank God for Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war on us. Both of those assholes being foes made sleepy pacifist America invent the atomic bomb.   

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Posted (edited)
14 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Germany left to its own devices and no American intervention would have very likely wound up controlling the world.   Thank God for Pearl Harbor and Germany declaring war on us. Both of those assholes being fors made sleepy pacifist America invent the atomic bomb.   

Truly - if Germany had not declared war on America it's a high likelihood the Normandy landings or any sort of united front would not have formed against the fascists in Europe and Africa.

They are at their strongest when the powers that be would rather look away and make deals with the bully rather than confront their evil. Once there is no more pretext of ignoring the bully and hoping they'll move on to leave you alone, only then, do they start to lose power.

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2 hours ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

I would argue that the loss of life would probably my have been greater

Less loss of life with everyone speaking German

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