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30 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

A lot of people who bitch about us sending aid, even our retired shit that's sitting around in storage, have conveniently forgotten what was promised in the 90s for them giving up our nukes.

I think most of them never knew what was promised in the 90s.  I think until Feb 22, they didn't even know Ukraine existed.  

 

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I get everyone is all pissed off lately with some of the change in how Ukraine is being handed by the US - there's a thread for that in CR. Lets keep this one to major updates related to the active conflict. 

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https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  Difference here is the trade is public.

 

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KYIV—Ukraine has agreed to a mineral-rights deal with the U.S. that could be finalized as soon as Friday at a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

People close to the negotiations said the text had now been agreed, and the U.S. had dropped its previous demand for the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from the development of Ukraine’s mineral resources.

“It’s a very big deal. It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and Russia fighting a war that should have never ever happened.”

The signing ceremony would be a personal victory for Zelensky, who has been pushing for a face-to-face meeting with Trump but has instead had to watch as the U.S. opened discussions with Moscow about how to end the war—excluding Ukraine. The Ukrainian president had refused to sign the mineral-rights deal presented by a lower-level official, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. 

Zelensky’s refusal to sign set off a rapid deterioration in the relationship between Washington and Kyiv. 

The Ukrainian president had said for months that Ukraine’s allies in the war against Russia could have access to the country’s mineral resources. However, he said he couldn’t sign an agreement that didn’t include security guarantees for Ukraine. Officials across Europe also expressed shock at some of the demands the U.S. had made in the offer, including the right to up to $500 billion in revenue from mineral development, which is far more than the U.S. has contributed to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began. 
President Trump told reporters that he would meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a mineral rights deal with the U.S. “It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
“I don’t want something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to pay back,” he said at a news conference on Sunday.

After Zelensky refused the initial offer, Trump called him a dictator and falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war. Top U.S. officials met with their Russian counterparts to discuss how to end the conflict, without Ukraine, and the U.S. voted against a United Nations resolution condemning Russia’s invasion. 

Though the new text doesn’t include security guarantees, Ukrainian officials hope it can help reset the country’s relationship with Trump.

Trump said that there would be peacekeepers in Ukraine, but didn’t say if the U.S. would provide any support or troops to the deterrence mission. Despite Russia’s opposition to European forces in Ukraine, Trump assured reporters Tuesday the agreement would include “a form of peacekeeping that’s acceptable to everybody.”

The agreement on the final text of a deal was earlier reported by the Financial Times. 

Under the terms of the agreement, Ukraine would pay some proceeds from future mineral resource development into a fund that would invest in projects in Ukraine. Resources that already make money for the Ukrainian government—such as existing oil and gas production—will be exempt from the deal.

The size of the U.S.’s stake in the fund and joint ownership deals will be hashed out in future agreements. 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Parliament said:

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  Difference here is the trade is public.

 

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KYIV—Ukraine has agreed to a mineral-rights deal with the U.S. that could be finalized as soon as Friday at a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

People close to the negotiations said the text had now been agreed, and the U.S. had dropped its previous demand for the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from the development of Ukraine’s mineral resources.

“It’s a very big deal. It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and Russia fighting a war that should have never ever happened.”

The signing ceremony would be a personal victory for Zelensky, who has been pushing for a face-to-face meeting with Trump but has instead had to watch as the U.S. opened discussions with Moscow about how to end the war—excluding Ukraine. The Ukrainian president had refused to sign the mineral-rights deal presented by a lower-level official, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. 

Zelensky’s refusal to sign set off a rapid deterioration in the relationship between Washington and Kyiv. 

The Ukrainian president had said for months that Ukraine’s allies in the war against Russia could have access to the country’s mineral resources. However, he said he couldn’t sign an agreement that didn’t include security guarantees for Ukraine. Officials across Europe also expressed shock at some of the demands the U.S. had made in the offer, including the right to up to $500 billion in revenue from mineral development, which is far more than the U.S. has contributed to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began. 
President Trump told reporters that he would meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a mineral rights deal with the U.S. “It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
“I don’t want something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to pay back,” he said at a news conference on Sunday.

After Zelensky refused the initial offer, Trump called him a dictator and falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war. Top U.S. officials met with their Russian counterparts to discuss how to end the conflict, without Ukraine, and the U.S. voted against a United Nations resolution condemning Russia’s invasion. 

Though the new text doesn’t include security guarantees, Ukrainian officials hope it can help reset the country’s relationship with Trump.

Trump said that there would be peacekeepers in Ukraine, but didn’t say if the U.S. would provide any support or troops to the deterrence mission. Despite Russia’s opposition to European forces in Ukraine, Trump assured reporters Tuesday the agreement would include “a form of peacekeeping that’s acceptable to everybody.”

The agreement on the final text of a deal was earlier reported by the Financial Times. 

Under the terms of the agreement, Ukraine would pay some proceeds from future mineral resource development into a fund that would invest in projects in Ukraine. Resources that already make money for the Ukrainian government—such as existing oil and gas production—will be exempt from the deal.

The size of the U.S.’s stake in the fund and joint ownership deals will be hashed out in future agreements. 

 

 

 

I mentioned a couple days ago some similarities to pre-WWII actions by axis powers, and how our current path mirrors them. This is a prime example of the sort of exploitative and unequal treaty that imperialist nations would impose on weaker states.

We are on a dark timeline 

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17 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I mentioned a couple days ago some similarities to pre-WWII actions by axis powers, and how our current path mirrors them. This is a prime example of the sort of exploitative and unequal treaty that imperialist nations would impose on weaker states.

We are on a dark timeline 

Perhaps this timeline just has a twisted sense of humor. Have some faith in the Ukrainian people. They weren’t supposed to last 2 weeks. These are clever mother fuckers with their backs against a wall. 

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10 minutes ago, B00M said:

Fuck putin

 

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This chart, more than shells, explains why it’s now a 2:1 artillery advantage for Russia. Ukraine has destroyed as many artillery pieces (23,626) as Russia started the war with and had in reserve (23,780). Holy shit.

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  Difference here is the trade is public.

 

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KYIV—Ukraine has agreed to a mineral-rights deal with the U.S. that could be finalized as soon as Friday at a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

People close to the negotiations said the text had now been agreed, and the U.S. had dropped its previous demand for the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from the development of Ukraine’s mineral resources.

“It’s a very big deal. It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and Russia fighting a war that should have never ever happened.”

The signing ceremony would be a personal victory for Zelensky, who has been pushing for a face-to-face meeting with Trump but has instead had to watch as the U.S. opened discussions with Moscow about how to end the war—excluding Ukraine. The Ukrainian president had refused to sign the mineral-rights deal presented by a lower-level official, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. 

Zelensky’s refusal to sign set off a rapid deterioration in the relationship between Washington and Kyiv. 

The Ukrainian president had said for months that Ukraine’s allies in the war against Russia could have access to the country’s mineral resources. However, he said he couldn’t sign an agreement that didn’t include security guarantees for Ukraine. Officials across Europe also expressed shock at some of the demands the U.S. had made in the offer, including the right to up to $500 billion in revenue from mineral development, which is far more than the U.S. has contributed to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began. 
President Trump told reporters that he would meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a mineral rights deal with the U.S. “It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
“I don’t want something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to pay back,” he said at a news conference on Sunday.

After Zelensky refused the initial offer, Trump called him a dictator and falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war. Top U.S. officials met with their Russian counterparts to discuss how to end the conflict, without Ukraine, and the U.S. voted against a United Nations resolution condemning Russia’s invasion. 

Though the new text doesn’t include security guarantees, Ukrainian officials hope it can help reset the country’s relationship with Trump.

Trump said that there would be peacekeepers in Ukraine, but didn’t say if the U.S. would provide any support or troops to the deterrence mission. Despite Russia’s opposition to European forces in Ukraine, Trump assured reporters Tuesday the agreement would include “a form of peacekeeping that’s acceptable to everybody.”

The agreement on the final text of a deal was earlier reported by the Financial Times. 

Under the terms of the agreement, Ukraine would pay some proceeds from future mineral resource development into a fund that would invest in projects in Ukraine. Resources that already make money for the Ukrainian government—such as existing oil and gas production—will be exempt from the deal.

The size of the U.S.’s stake in the fund and joint ownership deals will be hashed out in future agreements. 

 

 

 

It is a deal to make a deal. Whatever works. 

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  

as soon as they beat Russia, they better fucking renege on the deal.

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as soon as they beat Russia, they better fucking renege on the deal.

Anyone who sticks to a deal they made with Donald Trump is an epic fool. Donald Trump deals are meant to be broken.
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4 hours ago, Captainant said:

I mentioned a couple days ago some similarities to pre-WWII actions by axis powers, and how our current path mirrors them. This is a prime example of the sort of exploitative and unequal treaty that imperialist nations would impose on weaker states.

We are on a dark timeline 

From a purely historical perspective at 35,000 feet looking down, ironically since we are talking about empires, it feels like we risk a diminished role as a superpower (similar to England post-WWII) but the war in Ukraine itself feels like it’s right out of World War I, which saw empires upended (or put them on the path to be upended).

I don’t think a lot of people realize how much it resembles WWI at times, but we have a helluva lot of static fronts/trench lines thanks to technical innovations in drones, vs WWI with gas, accurate artillery fire, and machine guns ready to cut down advancing troops. And the wonder weapons here in 2025, drones and extremely accurate artillery, that could clear the way for troops coming out of trenches, is also the weapons that can keep them in trenches.  And we are somewhat back to square one with armored suffering heavily at the hands of Javelins and other weapons at the local level.  

Your typical Russian soldier coming out of their trench or crossing an open field looks something like this

Run Away Nuclear Bomb GIF by Identity

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