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30 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

A lot of people who bitch about us sending aid, even our retired shit that's sitting around in storage, have conveniently forgotten what was promised in the 90s for them giving up our nukes.

I think most of them never knew what was promised in the 90s.  I think until Feb 22, they didn't even know Ukraine existed.  

 

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I get everyone is all pissed off lately with some of the change in how Ukraine is being handed by the US - there's a thread for that in CR. Lets keep this one to major updates related to the active conflict. 

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https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  Difference here is the trade is public.

 

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KYIV—Ukraine has agreed to a mineral-rights deal with the U.S. that could be finalized as soon as Friday at a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

People close to the negotiations said the text had now been agreed, and the U.S. had dropped its previous demand for the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from the development of Ukraine’s mineral resources.

“It’s a very big deal. It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and Russia fighting a war that should have never ever happened.”

The signing ceremony would be a personal victory for Zelensky, who has been pushing for a face-to-face meeting with Trump but has instead had to watch as the U.S. opened discussions with Moscow about how to end the war—excluding Ukraine. The Ukrainian president had refused to sign the mineral-rights deal presented by a lower-level official, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. 

Zelensky’s refusal to sign set off a rapid deterioration in the relationship between Washington and Kyiv. 

The Ukrainian president had said for months that Ukraine’s allies in the war against Russia could have access to the country’s mineral resources. However, he said he couldn’t sign an agreement that didn’t include security guarantees for Ukraine. Officials across Europe also expressed shock at some of the demands the U.S. had made in the offer, including the right to up to $500 billion in revenue from mineral development, which is far more than the U.S. has contributed to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began. 
President Trump told reporters that he would meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a mineral rights deal with the U.S. “It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
“I don’t want something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to pay back,” he said at a news conference on Sunday.

After Zelensky refused the initial offer, Trump called him a dictator and falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war. Top U.S. officials met with their Russian counterparts to discuss how to end the conflict, without Ukraine, and the U.S. voted against a United Nations resolution condemning Russia’s invasion. 

Though the new text doesn’t include security guarantees, Ukrainian officials hope it can help reset the country’s relationship with Trump.

Trump said that there would be peacekeepers in Ukraine, but didn’t say if the U.S. would provide any support or troops to the deterrence mission. Despite Russia’s opposition to European forces in Ukraine, Trump assured reporters Tuesday the agreement would include “a form of peacekeeping that’s acceptable to everybody.”

The agreement on the final text of a deal was earlier reported by the Financial Times. 

Under the terms of the agreement, Ukraine would pay some proceeds from future mineral resource development into a fund that would invest in projects in Ukraine. Resources that already make money for the Ukrainian government—such as existing oil and gas production—will be exempt from the deal.

The size of the U.S.’s stake in the fund and joint ownership deals will be hashed out in future agreements. 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Parliament said:

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  Difference here is the trade is public.

 

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KYIV—Ukraine has agreed to a mineral-rights deal with the U.S. that could be finalized as soon as Friday at a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

People close to the negotiations said the text had now been agreed, and the U.S. had dropped its previous demand for the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from the development of Ukraine’s mineral resources.

“It’s a very big deal. It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and Russia fighting a war that should have never ever happened.”

The signing ceremony would be a personal victory for Zelensky, who has been pushing for a face-to-face meeting with Trump but has instead had to watch as the U.S. opened discussions with Moscow about how to end the war—excluding Ukraine. The Ukrainian president had refused to sign the mineral-rights deal presented by a lower-level official, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. 

Zelensky’s refusal to sign set off a rapid deterioration in the relationship between Washington and Kyiv. 

The Ukrainian president had said for months that Ukraine’s allies in the war against Russia could have access to the country’s mineral resources. However, he said he couldn’t sign an agreement that didn’t include security guarantees for Ukraine. Officials across Europe also expressed shock at some of the demands the U.S. had made in the offer, including the right to up to $500 billion in revenue from mineral development, which is far more than the U.S. has contributed to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began. 
President Trump told reporters that he would meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a mineral rights deal with the U.S. “It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
“I don’t want something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to pay back,” he said at a news conference on Sunday.

After Zelensky refused the initial offer, Trump called him a dictator and falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war. Top U.S. officials met with their Russian counterparts to discuss how to end the conflict, without Ukraine, and the U.S. voted against a United Nations resolution condemning Russia’s invasion. 

Though the new text doesn’t include security guarantees, Ukrainian officials hope it can help reset the country’s relationship with Trump.

Trump said that there would be peacekeepers in Ukraine, but didn’t say if the U.S. would provide any support or troops to the deterrence mission. Despite Russia’s opposition to European forces in Ukraine, Trump assured reporters Tuesday the agreement would include “a form of peacekeeping that’s acceptable to everybody.”

The agreement on the final text of a deal was earlier reported by the Financial Times. 

Under the terms of the agreement, Ukraine would pay some proceeds from future mineral resource development into a fund that would invest in projects in Ukraine. Resources that already make money for the Ukrainian government—such as existing oil and gas production—will be exempt from the deal.

The size of the U.S.’s stake in the fund and joint ownership deals will be hashed out in future agreements. 

 

 

 

I mentioned a couple days ago some similarities to pre-WWII actions by axis powers, and how our current path mirrors them. This is a prime example of the sort of exploitative and unequal treaty that imperialist nations would impose on weaker states.

We are on a dark timeline 

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17 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I mentioned a couple days ago some similarities to pre-WWII actions by axis powers, and how our current path mirrors them. This is a prime example of the sort of exploitative and unequal treaty that imperialist nations would impose on weaker states.

We are on a dark timeline 

Perhaps this timeline just has a twisted sense of humor. Have some faith in the Ukrainian people. They weren’t supposed to last 2 weeks. These are clever mother fuckers with their backs against a wall. 

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10 minutes ago, B00M said:

Fuck putin

 

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This chart, more than shells, explains why it’s now a 2:1 artillery advantage for Russia. Ukraine has destroyed as many artillery pieces (23,626) as Russia started the war with and had in reserve (23,780). Holy shit.

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1 hour ago, Parliament said:

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  Difference here is the trade is public.

 

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KYIV—Ukraine has agreed to a mineral-rights deal with the U.S. that could be finalized as soon as Friday at a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

People close to the negotiations said the text had now been agreed, and the U.S. had dropped its previous demand for the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from the development of Ukraine’s mineral resources.

“It’s a very big deal. It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and Russia fighting a war that should have never ever happened.”

The signing ceremony would be a personal victory for Zelensky, who has been pushing for a face-to-face meeting with Trump but has instead had to watch as the U.S. opened discussions with Moscow about how to end the war—excluding Ukraine. The Ukrainian president had refused to sign the mineral-rights deal presented by a lower-level official, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. 

Zelensky’s refusal to sign set off a rapid deterioration in the relationship between Washington and Kyiv. 

The Ukrainian president had said for months that Ukraine’s allies in the war against Russia could have access to the country’s mineral resources. However, he said he couldn’t sign an agreement that didn’t include security guarantees for Ukraine. Officials across Europe also expressed shock at some of the demands the U.S. had made in the offer, including the right to up to $500 billion in revenue from mineral development, which is far more than the U.S. has contributed to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began. 
President Trump told reporters that he would meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a mineral rights deal with the U.S. “It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
“I don’t want something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to pay back,” he said at a news conference on Sunday.

After Zelensky refused the initial offer, Trump called him a dictator and falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war. Top U.S. officials met with their Russian counterparts to discuss how to end the conflict, without Ukraine, and the U.S. voted against a United Nations resolution condemning Russia’s invasion. 

Though the new text doesn’t include security guarantees, Ukrainian officials hope it can help reset the country’s relationship with Trump.

Trump said that there would be peacekeepers in Ukraine, but didn’t say if the U.S. would provide any support or troops to the deterrence mission. Despite Russia’s opposition to European forces in Ukraine, Trump assured reporters Tuesday the agreement would include “a form of peacekeeping that’s acceptable to everybody.”

The agreement on the final text of a deal was earlier reported by the Financial Times. 

Under the terms of the agreement, Ukraine would pay some proceeds from future mineral resource development into a fund that would invest in projects in Ukraine. Resources that already make money for the Ukrainian government—such as existing oil and gas production—will be exempt from the deal.

The size of the U.S.’s stake in the fund and joint ownership deals will be hashed out in future agreements. 

 

 

 

It is a deal to make a deal. Whatever works. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, Captainant said:

I mentioned a couple days ago some similarities to pre-WWII actions by axis powers, and how our current path mirrors them. This is a prime example of the sort of exploitative and unequal treaty that imperialist nations would impose on weaker states.

We are on a dark timeline 

From a purely historical perspective at 35,000 feet looking down, ironically since we are talking about empires, it feels like we risk a diminished role as a superpower (similar to England post-WWII) but the war in Ukraine itself feels like it’s right out of World War I, which saw empires upended (or put them on the path to be upended).

I don’t think a lot of people realize how much it resembles WWI at times, but we have a helluva lot of static fronts/trench lines thanks to technical innovations in drones, vs WWI with gas, accurate artillery fire, and machine guns ready to cut down advancing troops. And the wonder weapons here in 2025, drones and extremely accurate artillery, that could clear the way for troops coming out of trenches, is also the weapons that can keep them in trenches.  And we are somewhat back to square one with armored suffering heavily at the hands of Javelins and other weapons at the local level.  

Your typical Russian soldier coming out of their trench or crossing an open field looks something like this

Run Away Nuclear Bomb GIF by Identity

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15 hours ago, Parliament said:

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-agrees-to-mineral-rights-deal-with-u-s-3bbd871f?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I mean, I guess, sure.  If this opens up the floodgates of kickass American weapons that kill Russians...

It's incredibly Machiavellian, but much of our foreign policy always has been.  Difference here is the trade is public.

 

  Hide contents

KYIV—Ukraine has agreed to a mineral-rights deal with the U.S. that could be finalized as soon as Friday at a White House meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

People close to the negotiations said the text had now been agreed, and the U.S. had dropped its previous demand for the right to $500 billion in potential revenue from the development of Ukraine’s mineral resources.

“It’s a very big deal. It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters Tuesday. “We’re spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Ukraine and Russia fighting a war that should have never ever happened.”

The signing ceremony would be a personal victory for Zelensky, who has been pushing for a face-to-face meeting with Trump but has instead had to watch as the U.S. opened discussions with Moscow about how to end the war—excluding Ukraine. The Ukrainian president had refused to sign the mineral-rights deal presented by a lower-level official, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent. 

Zelensky’s refusal to sign set off a rapid deterioration in the relationship between Washington and Kyiv. 

The Ukrainian president had said for months that Ukraine’s allies in the war against Russia could have access to the country’s mineral resources. However, he said he couldn’t sign an agreement that didn’t include security guarantees for Ukraine. Officials across Europe also expressed shock at some of the demands the U.S. had made in the offer, including the right to up to $500 billion in revenue from mineral development, which is far more than the U.S. has contributed to Ukraine since Russia’s invasion began. 
President Trump told reporters that he would meet with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to sign a mineral rights deal with the U.S. “It could be a trillion-dollar deal,” Trump told reporters. Photo: Alex Wong/Getty Images
“I don’t want something that 10 generations of Ukrainians will have to pay back,” he said at a news conference on Sunday.

After Zelensky refused the initial offer, Trump called him a dictator and falsely accused Ukraine of starting the war. Top U.S. officials met with their Russian counterparts to discuss how to end the conflict, without Ukraine, and the U.S. voted against a United Nations resolution condemning Russia’s invasion. 

Though the new text doesn’t include security guarantees, Ukrainian officials hope it can help reset the country’s relationship with Trump.

Trump said that there would be peacekeepers in Ukraine, but didn’t say if the U.S. would provide any support or troops to the deterrence mission. Despite Russia’s opposition to European forces in Ukraine, Trump assured reporters Tuesday the agreement would include “a form of peacekeeping that’s acceptable to everybody.”

The agreement on the final text of a deal was earlier reported by the Financial Times. 

Under the terms of the agreement, Ukraine would pay some proceeds from future mineral resource development into a fund that would invest in projects in Ukraine. Resources that already make money for the Ukrainian government—such as existing oil and gas production—will be exempt from the deal.

The size of the U.S.’s stake in the fund and joint ownership deals will be hashed out in future agreements. 

 

 

 

Maybe I'm just dense, but if not security guarantees, what exactly is in this deal for Ukraine??

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Nah, looks more like the London conference. Guaranteed Greek independence, did not really set borders, and Ottomans got paid.

Oh yeah, and Greeks were not at that conference either.

 

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Maybe I'm just dense, but if not security guarantees, what exactly is in this deal for Ukraine??

If they think they are signing a deal with Trump to earn trust they are quite mistaken.
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19 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:


If they think they are signing a deal with Trump to earn trust they are quite mistaken.

The Ukrainians are anything but naive.  Signing a deal that can be easily repudiated as under duress later is no loss where the alternative is nothing.  They very well may get nothing - which is what they have already.  Signing at least keeps them in the fight to get something.

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9 minutes ago, ryskey said:

The route to get here was obnoxious and ham fisted, but Trump gets to say the US is getting paid for an easy political win, without any binding agreement from either side.  Looks like status quo after a lot of hysterical yelling and fictional numbers thrown around.

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Wait....Donald Trump got out-negotiated because all you need to deliver to him is just something that he can wave around and CLAIM victory on?

Gosh....that's just shocking.  I mean, that has NEVER happened before.  Like, EVER.

ART OF THE DEAL!

THE ARISTROCRATS!

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Posted
11 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

I wonder if this explains  how Ukraine has seemingly turned the tide around pokrovsk, a city that looked doomed 6 months ago. They’re suddenly starting to push Russia back

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I wonder if this explains  how Ukraine has seemingly turned the tide around pokrovsk, a city that looked doomed 6 months ago. They’re suddenly starting to push Russia back

That and killing 1500 Russians riding glorified go-karts a day.
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10 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

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Stalin looks like a Mexican guy named Lorenzo that ran a barbershop in downtown San Antonio back in the 30s.

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35 minutes ago, F250 said:

Stalin looks like a Mexican guy named Lorenzo that ran a barbershop in downtown San Antonio back in the 30s.

Ha,

Put grey hair on that guy and he's my uncle who ran a barbershop in Brackettville in the 60s. (Had a kitten in a jar of formaldihide on the counter.)  Rolled his own unfiltered cigarettes.  Part time jailer.  Terrifier of children.  When we visited he'd throw a baby goat in the bbq pit out back and just hang out there until we were gone. 

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:


That and killing 1500 Russians riding glorified go-karts a day.

Go-karts are so December and January. Donkeys are February.

Edited by Chopper
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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

<aggie> That ass <aggie>

<russian> holy shit comrades, this food just walked 20km straight to us, while carrying our supplies, looks like meat is on the table tonight! <russian>

Still can't believe that young me worried about these idiots.  Are they even the 2nd best army in Russia?  We sure the Norks aren't better?

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4 hours ago, B00M said:

I wonder if this explains  how Ukraine has seemingly turned the tide around pokrovsk, a city that looked doomed 6 months ago. They’re suddenly starting to push Russia back

Or we are truly on the backside of Russian military culmination, and the fuel shortages are hitting, and the vehicle shortages (witness the introduction of donkeys) and manpower are as well.

And there's a chance that some Russians were pulled back to deal with Kursk. Putin probably needs Kursk to be clear of Ukrainians if any lines are frozen.

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https://www.threads.net/@meanwhile_in_ua/post/DGkL61lqdUw?xmt=AQGzsANd2L8xnyhKwZb1vydYki5IESuS56g3vhuU2dDOuw

Ukrainian intelligence has confirmed that the strike on the 107th GRAU arsenal in Toropets destroyed 160,000 metric tons of Russian ammunition, including approximately half of all 122mm shells in Russia's inventory.

https://www.threads.net/@kyivindependent_official/post/DGkI591u3LB?xmt=AQGzJTvcyR1gi5LIT7IzGSV5udjZeoaz52I-8Q6B3vbzzg

️North Korea deploys additional troops to Russia's Kursk Oblast, South Korean intelligence says.

North Korea has deployed additional troops to Russia, an official for South Korea's National Intelligence Agency claimed on Feb. 27.

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