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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/us-ukraine-munitions-patriot-missiles/index.html 

US to send precision bomb kits and Patriot missiles in next Ukraine aid package, officials say

 
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In this February 20, 2020 file photo, a member of the US Air Force stands near a Patriot missile battery at the Prince Sultan Air Base in al-Kharj, Saudi Arabia.

The US is expected to send Ukraine precision bomb kits that will turn existing unguided munitions, or “dumb” bombs, into precision-guided “smart” bombs known as Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAMs, according to multiple US officials.

The kits add fins and a precision guidance system to the “dumb” munitions. They are expected to be included in the next security aid package to Ukraine as soon as this week, the sources said, though officials did not say how many JDAMs would be provided, or what specific type.

The precision bombs could help Ukraine attack fixed Russian defensive lines or other large targets. But they need to be dropped from fighter jets, which remains a significant challenge because of Russia’s own air defenses.

 

The Ukrainian military would also need to find a way to target and launch JDAMs from Soviet-era aircraft, much as they did with US-made HARM anti-radar missiles earlier this year. The Ukrainian Air Force adapted MiG-29 fighter jets to be able to fire the HARM missile. They will have to do the same for JDAMs.

The kits can be connected to bombs of different weights and sizes, ranging from a 500-pound bomb to one that is 2,000 pounds. The munitions then use a combination of GPS and an inertial guidance system to strike a target with precision. An additional system can also give the bomb laser guidance to strike a moving target.

The US used JDAMs extensively in Iraq and Afghanistan. The kits have been exported to more than two dozen other countries, according to Boeing, the manufacturer of the kits. To date, more than 400,000 kits have been produced at a cost of approximately $22,000 per kit.

The kits, first reported by The Washington Post, give the bombs a range of approximately 15 miles, according to Boeing.

The next aid package to Ukraine is also expected to include Patriot air defense systems, as CNN first reported last week.

The US has provided billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine since the beginning of Russia’s invasion in February, and sees it as effective in helping the Ukrainians fight back. While Ukraine has asked for certain weapon systems, like the Patriot missile defense system, the Biden administration has had a careful approach to what is provided to Ukraine and when.

The JDAMs do not carry a serious risk of escalation, one official said, because of their relatively short range, similar to other weapons the US has provided. The kits would not allow Ukraine to strike deep into Russian territory. The precision Excalibur rounds fired from Ukrainian artillery have approximately the same range, while the Guided Multiple Rocket Launch System missiles launched from High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) have a significantly longer range than JDAMs.

 
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So the Ukraine is now targeting stuff over the border near Belgorod with artillery… Surprise surprise, you push forces down within Belarus towards the Ukrainian border, the UKA pushes toward Belgorod. 

This is just a subtle message that any invasion push towards Kyiv will then see an equal push into Russian territory (which is a critical supply and repair depot for what is left of that front) and the RU has to decide how futile their potential advance would be vs what would happen if the UKA then invade Russian soil as a retaliation.

I suspect that the next thing we will see is a public declaration from the Ukraine that any joint attacks with Belarus would constitute that this is not a police action or local matter and as such invasion over the Russian border is considered justified under international law.

Everything the Ukrainians seem to do in terms of long-range strikes, seems to have a very clear purpose relating to military maneuvers - they aren't wrecking shit just to wreck shit, like the Russians do (even the seemingly one-off strikes that use drones deep into Russia force Russia to make operational changes or deploy hardware like AA that they would otherwise use in Ukraine).  My gut says that either they are telling the Russians that if they continue to send men and equipment to Belarus, that they won't be able to use Belgorod as a major transit hub as they'll wreck stuff trying to go through there.  

That would force the Russians to have to go well around Begorod, and maybe even all the way out to Kursk and Stary Oskol (stuff from those cities transits through Belgorod on the way to Ukraine).  That would be a huge slowdown of Russian forces, and make it extremely hard for reinforcements.  It would also tie up railcars that spend longer transit times getting troops or equipment around, who would then not be able to make as many supply runs.

Or the alternative is that the Ukrainians may think Belarus is a feint meant to tie down Ukrainian troops that would otherwise be used in a counter-offensive against Donetsk/Crimea areas (the Russians appear terrified that the Ukrainians are about to do something big).  If they start hammering away at Belgorod, not only does it make the Russians reconsider it as a transportation hub, but the Russians maybe worried the Ukrainians may enter Russia proper. If that happens, the Russians must drop everything they are doing in Belarus and elsewhere and rush forces to Belgorod.

I'm thinking this is more about forcing the Russians to detour around Belgorod.  It would slow down military equipment coming out of Belarus (Russia has some major tank repair depots there, plus Belarusian ammo stocks being used in Ukraine), and it would slow down the buildup up of forces in Belarus (or redeployment of forces from The Donbas to Belarus).

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President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky are planning to meet at the White House on Wednesday, according to two sources familiar with the planning underway, in what would be a surprise visit that could change based on security concerns.

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Biden and Zelensky planning to meet in Washington for Ukrainian president’s first foreign trip since war began

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Biden and Zelensky planning to meet in Washington for Ukrainian president’s first foreign trip since war began
By Phil Mattingly, Kevin Liptak and Manu Raju, CNN
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky holds a press conference with the heads of state of France, Germany and Romania, at Mariinsky Palace in Kyiv, on June 16, 2022.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky holds a press conference with the heads of state of France, Germany and Romania, at Mariinsky Palace in Kyiv, on June 16, 2022.
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President Joe Biden and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky are planning to meet at the White House on Wednesday, according to two sources familiar with the planning underway, in what would be a surprise visit that could change based on security concerns.

The visit, which hasn’t been finalized and has remained tightly held due to security concerns, will coincide with the administration’s intent to send the country a new defense assistance package that will include Patriot missile systems. It would mark Zelensky’s first trip outside Ukraine since the Russian invasion began in February of this year. His potential visit to Washington could also include an address to Congress.


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The White House declined to comment on a potential visit or Biden announcement or new security assistance announcements. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi wouldn’t confirm reports Zelensky would be coming to the Capitol on Wednesday, saying, “I don’t know that that’s going to happen.”

“We don’t know yet. We just don’t know,” she said.

When asked by CNN if the invitation had been made to him, she said: “No. Not until we know if he can come.”

A visit by the Ukrainian leader to Washington would amount to a significant moment 10 months since Russia’s war in Ukraine began. Zelensky has emerged as an international personification of Ukrainian resistance to the invasion and has spent much of the year asking nations for support.

He’s delivered those appeals virtually, beaming into international summits and global legislatures to make his case for more weapons and funding. He has remained inside his country for the duration of the war, a reflection both of his desire to rally his besieged country and the precarious security situation he would face outside Ukraine.


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At the start of the war, Zelensky remained bunkered down in the capital Kyiv, often addressing the nation from undisclosed locations. More recently, he’s traveled to some of the war’s fronts, including on Tuesday when he visited the frontline city of Bakhmut, in the Donetsk region of eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian and Russian forces have been locked in brutal battle there for months.

Zelensky met with soldiers and handed out awards, according to his office. Video posted by state TV showed the president clad in fatigues and a flak vest presenting awards to troops. Bakhmut has seen some of the most ferocious fighting in the whole of the country since Russian forces launched their siege on the city in earnest in May, turning it into ruins.

Pelosi has been making calls to members urging them to show up to the Capitol on Wednesday over fears the chamber would be empty ahead of the holiday recess, one member said. Pelosi asked for members to be in attendance Wednesday night “for a very special focus on Democracy.”


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The expectation from members, per several sources, is Zelensky will address Congress on Wednesday. But the sources caution that this may not be final yet over security concerns.

Ukraine has been calling for the US to send the advanced long-range air defense system that is highly effective at intercepting ballistic and cruise missiles as it comes under a barrage of Russian missile and drone attacks that have destroyed key infrastructure across the country.

A Patriot missile battery would be the most effective long-range defensive weapons system sent to the country and officials say it will help secure airspace for NATO nations in eastern Europe. CNN first reported last week that the US is planning to send Patriot systems to Ukraine.

It is not clear how many missile launchers will be sent but a typical Patriot battery includes a radar set that detects and tracks targets, computers, power generating equipment, an engagement control station and up to eight launchers, each holding four ready-to-fire missiles.

Once the plans are finalized, the Patriots are expected to ship quickly in the coming days and Ukrainians will be trained to use them at a US Army base in Grafenwoehr, Germany, officials said.

Ukraine has been asking for the system for months but the logistical challenges of delivering it and operating it are immense. Despite those obstacles, “the reality of what is going on the ground” led the administration to make the decision, the senior administration official told CNN, noting the continuing intense Russian missile barrages.

Unlike smaller air defense systems, Patriot missile batteries need much larger crews, requiring dozens of personnel to properly operate them. The training for Patriot missile batteries normally takes multiple months, a process the United States will now carry out under the pressure of near-daily aerial attacks from Russia.

The system is widely considered one of the most capable long-range weapons to defend airspace against incoming ballistic and cruise missiles as well as some aircraft. Because of its long-range and high-altitude capability, it can potentially shoot down Russian missiles and aircraft far from their intended targets inside Ukraine.

This story has been updated with additional reporting.

 

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That's a Richard Mille watch. Hard to tell exactly which model it is, but yes, they go into the millions. 

Does it tell the time simultaneously in Monte Carlo, Beverly Hills, London, Paris, Rome, and Gstaad?

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My thoughts on the Patriot now that it’s been confirmed. 
 

The White House carefully said “a battery.” As in, one. If that’s accurate, this is as much symbolic and proof of concept as it is a battlefield game changer.  I will expect it to be positioned either in Kyiv to show that the capital is protected, or near a high-value target in the west where it will also intercept anything that may stray into NATO airspace.  This is by far the most sophisticated and expensive capability they’ve been handed and we will be watching carefully to see how they use it and how survivable it is since Russia has announced it will be a priority target. 
 

Diplomatically, it’s a major step in what we are doing. Patriots are absolutely a key system for all of NATO, they’re jealously guarded, they aren’t something out of storage. I have no doubt the plans to acquire Iranian ballistic missiles helped nudge us in this direction. 
 

On the battlefield, remember that Patriots are super expensive and are not that great against drones and ground-skimming cruise missiles. More deliveries of NASAMS and German Gepards will be far more critical in the fight against a lot of the junk Russia is slinging at Ukraine.  The Patriot provides an important capability against some of their bigger, more deadly stuff that isn’t used as often. 

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Yeah, for those Iranian Drones, gun AA is probably much more effective.  It’s mobile and much easier to train up.
 

Which is ironic, since gun AA was being phased out for land use in favor of missile based systems, and we could now see its return.  (Cue “Loud cheering heard coming from BAE (Bofors) board room”)

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Yeah, for those Iranian Drones, gun AA is probably much more effective.  It’s mobile and much easier to train up.
 

Which is ironic, since gun AA was being phased out for land use in favor of missile based systems, and we could now see its return.  (Cue “Loud cheering heard coming from BAE (Bofors) board room”)

You forgot the most important bit: cheaper. It isn't economical to use a $1,000,000 Patriot missile or an AMRAAM to shoot down a $20k drone. 

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Yeah, for those Iranian Drones, gun AA is probably much more effective.  It’s mobile and much easier to train up.
 

Which is ironic, since gun AA was being phased out for land use in favor of missile based systems, and we could now see its return.  (Cue “Loud cheering heard coming from BAE (Bofors) board room”)

6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

You forgot the most important bit: cheaper. It isn't economical to use a $1,000,000 Patriot missile or a $100k AMRAAM to shoot down a $20k drone. 

The Sergeant York designers/builders/contractors watching all of this play out

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(and yes those are Bofors mounted on it)

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Meanwhile, hundreds of our Vulcans are still in service up to this very day, mostly in the Middle East (including the fighting in Yemen).

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