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[Felix 599]

19 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

During the early part of the invasion, there was a lot of talk from analysts and others who were familiar with Russian training and logistics, who said  many of the Russian T-72 crews were only allowed to shoot a couple of rounds a year, because the corruption was so bad and maintenance so poor, that the budget and supplies just weren't there for the training.

A couple of rounds a year.  That seems really bad.

We each got to fire 5 rounds in AIT before we ever hit our units.  Each man.  Now these are training rounds, which is also what we shot in gunnery qualification and training.  Training ammo is slightly tuned down from war shots.  I don't remember the exact numbers but muzzle velocity for war shot Sabot was like 1400 meters per second, while training sabot was closer to 1200 mps but the projectiles were also aluminum instead of DU so the ballistics were very similar.  When we fired war shots, which was far less often you could tell the difference.  The training ammo is easier on the tanks.

[MillerEP 30339]

^Windows or "lead" poisioning?

The fire started on the territory of the Sindika market near Moscow. The fire occurred in a two-story building materials warehouse at the 65-kilometer MKAD. Previously, paint and varnish products are stored in the room. The fire area is 2,100 square meters.

[Felix 599]

9 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Mother of God

Best gunner I ever saw, bar none.  Do you have any idea how hard it is to win a Battalion Gunnery Cup if you aren't the Battalion Commander?  Those dudes are usually crewing a tank with the battalion master gunner on the gun, an E-6 driving and an E-5 loading.

[Neonmoon 38127]

3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

 

 

Dear Solovyov, the reason Russian hasn’t attacked any of those NATO cities is because if the did, Moscow would be rubble in under a week you dumb cunt. 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

Hmm 

 

[Brisketexan 104612]

1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

They'll be like a giant North Korea, rattling the nuke saber every time they're hungry or they need something from the West. 

Ummm....that's ALREADY their only play.  Get butthurt, talk about turning NYC into rubble, lather, rinse, repeat.  

But they don't.  Because...

22 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Dear Solovyov, the reason Russian hasn’t attacked any of those NATO cities is because if the did, Moscow would be rubble in under a week you dumb cunt. 

Russia has nothing.  They have no fucking cards to play.  Push their shit in, then pull out the plunger and make them lick it clean.  Russia has chosen to win the new century's FAFO Trophy for Maximum Achievement.  They are winning it running away.

[cactusflinthead 27594]

 

[Viper 12030]

26 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Hmm 

 

[Brisketexan 104612]

Also, the Germans may be dithering twats who are way too cozy with the rooskies.....but gotdamn, their language and company names are so fucking metal.

Of course this is an arms manufacturer:

 

Fucking literally metal as hell.  They should do a dual bill with Rammstein.  Du hast.....TANKS.

Edited January 27, 2023 by Brisketexan

[Dahobbs 17447]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

Dear Solovyov, the reason Russian hasn’t attacked any of those NATO cities is because if the did, Moscow would be rubble in under a week you dumb cunt. 

A week? It would be under 30 minutes. 

[BearSchlong 8077]

I very much look forward to their pain the next 50 years as their whole world is dramatically reduced. No jobs, no healthcare, rising crime, their already shitty infrastructure crumbling, decreased ability to travel, and everywhere they go if they can go they are treated like the psychotic lepers they are.

At Moscow University, in 1993, I sat across the table discussing “student affairs” with their equivalent of their student congress. What are your biggest pressing issues, we asked?

Their reply: “we want heat, bread, necessities.”

They asked for our answer. “Well, uh, sometimes HEB runs out of our favorite beer, and the food at Georges kind of sucks but given the price of Big O’s we can live with it. I'm studying environmental studies and everything else until daddy says it's time to graduate, and Austin isn't as cool as it once was.”

Then I went to Vilnius and lived with a family for 6 weeks in one of those shitty soviet apartments, and they told me of family members who were killed in the USSR’s death throes.

They remember all too well. Russia sucks.

[Gatorubet 30104]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

During the early part of the invasion, there was a lot of talk from analysts and others who were familiar with Russian training and logistics, who said  many of the Russian T-72 crews were only allowed to shoot a couple of rounds a year, because the corruption was so bad and maintenance so poor, that the budget and supplies just weren't there for the training.

A couple of rounds a year.  That seems really bad.

They also took the trained tankers and artillerymen and threw them into the meat grinder as infantry - because they were short on meat.   The guest on Solovyov’s show last night was complaining that all the trained artillery and tank specialists had been killed - and while there used to be 11 training centers, now there is only one.

[Scheiss Meister 8399]

1 hour ago, cactusflinthead said:

Hmm 

 

Cue Pee Wee Herman: "I meant to do that."

[InkaUtexas 25518]

39 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Also, the Germans may be dithering twats who are way too cozy with the rooskies.....but gotdamn, their language and company names are so fucking metal.

Of course this is an arms manufacturer:

 

Fucking literally metal as hell.  They should do a dual bill with Rammstein.  Du hast.....TANKS.

German. 

Word 1 + Word 2 = New Word 

[Gatorubet 30104]

16 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Then I went to Vilnius and lived with a family for 6 weeks in one of those shitty soviet apartments, and they told me of family members who were killed in the USSR’s death throes.

Vilnius?  I know this post. Your conclusions are all wrong.

[SL Xpress 7505]

So here's a load of shit I'm passing on, because while completely unverifiable and I don't believe it for a second, it was interesting to me.

I went to a funeral at the Houston Veteran's Memorial Cemetery today. A couple I've known for about 30 years died one day apart. I'd never been there before. I have mixed feelings about the place, but I'm glad it's there. They have a respect for the people buried there, and that's what's important, regardless of the amount of bureaucracy involved. 

The wife, whom I knew the best of the two, was a native German. Her first husband was there. He met her in Berlin working as an Air Force Intelligence officer. His deployment there was during the 6 Days War, so 1967. Later retired as a colonel. I'd met him a few times before, but hadn't really talked much to him. He's a bit of a blowhard, but harmless really. 

I asked him about his thoughts on Ukraine, because...well...I ask everyone for their thoughts on Ukraine. Normally I get a glassy eyed look, but this guy dived right in. We'll call him Bill, because that's his real name. 

He says he's a part of a group that talks online about what's "really" happening. Proceeded to tell me Russia has lost more troops than were lost in World War I. I tried to get him to clarify that statement, but he was off to the races and I couldn't get him to backtrack. Not sure it really matters what clarification he made, because there's pretty much no way that's true any way you want to slice it. Especially when you add in Russia was in a really big fucking civil war before WWI was over. 

He talked about how it's not the Russian people we're fighting against. The Russian people are fine. It's Putin we're fighting against, and he's dying of cancer so it won't matter for much longer. 

That seems less like a fantasy than the amount of war deaths. I've seen a broad amount of speculation on it. I've even seen people positing that part of the motivation for the invasion in the first place was Putin's passion for righting what he considers a historical wrong before he croaks. But the level of certainty Bill was expressing appeared manic to me. What I can tell you is that as far as I'm concerned a large portion of the Russian population can go get fucked right along with Putin. 

He tried to educate me about the 300,000 Russian mobilized, which I pretended was new top secret information only he had access to.

Here's the interesting part. He insisted that the US was already training Ukrainians on US fighter jets. He claimed they were training on the F-15s. I asked him, not the F-14s or the F-16s, but the F-15s? He insisted. He says they're waiting until they're trained on them before they make an announcement. Proceeded to tell me how it's not that hard once you're a fighter jet to become accustomed to another fighter jet suite. 

I challenged him hard on a lot of this, because, well, I'm an asshole. Remember, we're at a funeral service for his first wife. He's always had a reputation as a flaky sort, which is why his wife divorced him and married her husband she was buried with today. His kids didn't talk to him during the entire service. I don't believe a word of it, but I'll tell you this much. If the US announces they're sending US fighter jets to Ukraine during the next few months, I'm going to remember this conversation. 

Mostly, though, I think he was absolutely full of shit. Now that I've wasted you guys' time with this stuff, I feel a lot better. Good talk. 

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[The Dog 43804]

20 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

So here's a load of shit I'm passing on, because while completely unverifiable and I don't believe it for a second, it was interesting to me.

I went to a funeral at the Houston Veteran's Memorial Cemetery today. A couple I've known for about 30 years died one day apart. I'd never been there before. I have mixed feelings about the place, but I'm glad it's there. They have a respect for the people buried there, and that's what's important, regardless of the amount of bureaucracy involved. 

The wife, whom I knew the best of the two, was a native German. Her first husband was there. He met her in Berlin working as an Air Force Intelligence officer. His deployment there was during the 6 Days War, so 1967. Later retired as a colonel. I'd met him a few times before, but hadn't really talked much to him. He's a bit of a blowhard, but harmless really. 

I asked him about his thoughts on Ukraine, because...well...I ask everyone for their thoughts on Ukraine. Normally I get a glassy eyed look, but this guy dived right in. We'll call him Bill, because that's his real name. 

He says he's a part of a group that talks online about what's "really" happening. Proceeded to tell me Russia has lost more troops than were lost in World War I. I tried to get him to clarify that statement, but he was off to the races and I couldn't get him to backtrack. Not sure it really matters what clarification he made, because there's pretty much no way that's true any way you want to slice it. Especially when you add in Russia was in a really big fucking civil war before WWI was over. 

He talked about how it's not the Russian people we're fighting against. The Russian people are fine. It's Putin we're fighting against, and he's dying of cancer so it won't matter for much longer. 

That seems less like a fantasy than the amount of war deaths. I've seen a broad amount of speculation on it. I've even seen people positing that part of the motivation for the invasion in the first place was Putin's passion for righting what he considers a historical wrong before he croaks. But the level of certainty Bill was expressing appeared manic to me. What I can tell you is that as far as I'm concerned a large portion of the Russian population can go get fucked right along with Putin. 

He tried to educate me about the 300,000 Russian mobilized, which I pretended was new top secret information only he had access to.

Here's the interesting part. He insisted that the US was already training Ukrainians on US fighter jets. He claimed they were training on the F-15s. I asked him, not the F-14s or the F-16s, but the F-15s? He insisted. He says they're waiting until they're trained on them before they make an announcement. Proceeded to tell me how it's not that hard once you're a fighter jet to become accustomed to another fighter jet suite. 

I challenged him hard on a lot of this, because, well, I'm an asshole. Remember, we're at a funeral service for his first wife. He's always had a reputation as a flaky sort, which is why his wife divorced him and married her husband she was buried with today. His kids didn't talk to him during the entire service. I don't believe a word of it, but I'll tell you this much. If the US announces they're sending US fighter jets to Ukraine during the next few months, I'm going to remember this conversation. 

Mostly, though, I think he was absolutely full of shit. Now that I've wasted you guys' time with this stuff, I feel a lot better. Good talk. 

I don’t know about the other stuff but the F-15/16 training was approved last summer:

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2022/07/15/house-authorizes-training-for-ukrainian-pilots-to-use-us-aircraft/

[SL Xpress 7505]

3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I don’t know about the other stuff but the F-15/16 training was approved last summer:

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2022/07/15/house-authorizes-training-for-ukrainian-pilots-to-use-us-aircraft/

So do you think we're training the Ukrainians right now? That article is about authorizing the money for it. 

All I know is that I want to believe. 

[The Dog 43804]

1 minute ago, SL Xpress said:

So do you think we're training the Ukrainians right now? That article is about authorizing the money for it. 

All I know is that I want to believe. 

It’s possible - Ukraine identified English speaking pilots in October to receive the training.

but other articles say that it won’t begin until they know what they will be trained on.

still, I wouldn’t completely dismiss what he said. There have been rumors of Putins failing health for months.

[SL Xpress 7505]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

It’s possible - Ukraine identified English speaking pilots in October to receive the training.

but other articles say that it won’t begin until they know what they will be trained on.

still, I wouldn’t completely dismiss what he said. There have been rumors of Putins failing health for months.

Oh, yeah. For sure on Putin's health. 

Comparing the casualties to WWI and talking about the common Russian as complete innocents were a little tough to swallow, I'll say that much. But the Putin having cancer is very believable. And like I said, I want to believe we're training the Ukrainians on the F-15. 

People talk about the A-10 all the time. What I'd really love to hear about is possibly sending Longbows. My cousin retired from the Army as an instructor on the Apache. Those are some serious serious death machines. He was frustrated during his tours in Afghanistan because the local commander never wanted to risk losing one. Too expensive. But the few times he was able to unleash they created hell on earth for the enemy. Boy are they apparently tricky to fly, though. It's a pipedream, though. I don't see us ever sending over Apaches to Ukraine. A man can dream.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

2 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

German. 

Word 1 + Word 2 + Word 3 + Word 4 + Word 5 + etc = New Word 

Fify 

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

2 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

So do you think we're training the Ukrainians right now? That article is about authorizing the money for it. 

All I know is that I want to believe. 

We  (the US) have a lot of things going on in Poland and Romania.  I’m sure there are probably training opportunities.  

[Grimas 660]

Cross-posting here but if you want to see an intense movie of urban warfare between the Russians (Wagner is White) and the Ukrainians (Bucha is yellow), check out my post in the Movies & TV thread called "Best in Hell". The link to the YouTube video there. Just finished it and it's intense as hell and puts some perspective on some of the news we hear out of Ukraine... Probably the best/most intense 2 hours of combat movie scenes I've seen...  (Its  movie and not real combat footage and is in Russian (and Ukranian?) with English subtitles...)

[TKthunder2 4980]

22 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Is dollars, or any currency, the best way to account for support via military equipment?  Things cost varied amounts. 
 

and yeah we also aren’t dealing with the levels of Russian long term tourists and refugees that Europe is.  That also needs accounting on the big ledger. 

True but (not discounting the cost of supporting them) you guys do realize that these countries demographics desperately need immigrants right?

Most would rather take Ukrainian and Russian refugees than those from Africa/Middle East. Right or wrong, Muslim immigrants have been problematic for most of Europe.

[InkaUtexas 25518]

27 minutes ago, Grimas said:

Cross-posting here but if you want to see an intense movie of urban warfare between the Russians (Wagner is White) and the Ukrainians (Bucha is yellow), check out my post in the Movies & TV thread called "Best in Hell". The link to the YouTube video there. Just finished it and it's intense as hell and puts some perspective on some of the news we hear out of Ukraine... Probably the best/most intense 2 hours of combat movie scenes I've seen...  (Its  movie and not real combat footage and is in Russian (and Ukranian?) with English subtitles...)

Thanks, I will go find it and place it on this thread as well. Link added, will watch tonight. 

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by InkaUtexas

[atomheartbevo 89439]

It's hard to rep @MillerEP's post, because half of a post is awesome, half is infuriating.  I don't know whether to laugh or be pissed.

[Sawbonz 27434]

1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Fify 

Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz 

[InkaUtexas 25518]

14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's hard to rep @MillerEP's post, because half of a post is awesome, half is infuriating.  I don't know whether to laugh or be pissed.

I run into the same problem so just give him a hook em. But glad the man is doing what he is doing. Gives me more time to bonk vatniks on twitter. 

 

[KYHorn 16864]

 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by KYHorn

[KYHorn 16864]

 

 

[Gatorubet 30104]

9 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

 

You get a Lada…you get a Lada….and you get a Lada!!

[InkaUtexas 25518]

Russian talking heads about what is their best future Economic Model. Cuba, North Korea or Iran...... 

Yeah, they are fucked. Yay! 

 

[InkaUtexas 25518]

Turn up the sound. 

 

[956 Worldwide 34443]

13 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Just a shout out to 956 worldwide and his always insightful posts.  In the days before the actual invasion he certainly nailed it.

I think it’s clear that Putin was after a fairly high-end version of the moderate scenario and that’s still his desired end state. Two things prevented this from potentially working and that’s the defeat of Russian airborne forces at the Battle of Hostomel Airport and the Russian failure to integrate strategic aviation and precision strikes into the initial invasion push. 
 

This is going to be a fascinating look into how persistent initial war aims are even after the chance to achieve them is long gone. 
 

 

[InkaUtexas 25518]

I would add Ukraine did not lie down. 

[956 Worldwide 34443]

6 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Thanks, I will go find it and place it on this thread as well. Link added, will watch tonight. 

 

 

 

My dude this thing was literally produced by Evgeny Prigozhin 

[InkaUtexas 25518]

Yeah, learned that while watching. You can see this is a WW2 version of a soviet film. Of course building #3 is going to be taken. 

Still good to study and watch their trade craft. And for the record, I just posted the link. 

[InkaUtexas 25518]

That film is a Wagner propaganda piece. Sorry for reposting it on this thread. 

Mea Maxima Culpa. 

 

[RollLeft 5040]

18 hours ago, Gravy Train said:

 

Death, due to old age/natural causes, can't get here fast enough for that last guy.  

[Bevo 13527]

2 hours ago, RollLeft said:

Death, due to old age/natural causes, can't get here fast enough for that last guy.  

Ehh, that woman with the hat was the most despicable.

[Post Oak 20184]

7 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Turn up the sound. 

 

40 plus years later and that song still bangs.

[KYHorn 16864]

 

 

 

[KYHorn 16864]

 

 

 

 

[KYHorn 16864]

 

 

[KYHorn 16864]

I'd pay to attend a Surl member's yoga class. I might die laughing.

 

 

[KYHorn 16864]

"Every man left behind"

 

 

[KYHorn 16864]

I've heard mention the possibility of a Kharkiv offensive. They didn't even attempt it last time (just went around). Seems like it'd be devastating to both sides. Could also be a bluff to distract, economically disrupt, and further harass the civilians.

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by KYHorn