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[MillerEP 30454]

^WARNING: It shows a death, but what a bizarre video. The water is like knee-deep, and he makes some inexplicable decisions. Maybe just sheer panic? Just odd, oh well.

^Another odd video. what are they chopping?

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3 hours ago, BamaATL said:

In all honesty, I've sort of resided myself to the thought that he will launch at some point (certainly at Ukraine, but don't rule out Poland, Lativa, Lithuania, or Estonia).  If he reaches this stage and actually launches at NATO, it will be out of spite, knowing he's a dead man anyway.  Our best hope is that if he does give the order one in his inner circle will then finally pop him.  

Russia is losing to NATO's surplus, and our 30-40 year-old main battle tanks and 40 year-old fighters have not even entered the chat yet.

Putin sits at long tables, 10 feet away (and longer) from a lot of people because he's scared of covid or assassination.  When he does staged photo ops, he uses the same actors and security personnel in different outfits/uniforms because he's scared of assassination.  He doesn't hang out in Moscow because he's scared of assassination.  He has his opponents and potential enemies killed or relegated to the boonies or jailed because he's scared.

The man is a coward.  He has thrown around the idea of using nukes since almost the first month when the West started helping Ukraine and sanctioning Russia, but if you are serious about nukes, you don't fucking keep threatening and never do it over the course of 10-11 months, you just fucking do it, and if he was going to do it, the time to do it would have been when they got their shit pushed back from Kyiv, because that was the moment that it was clear that Russia was not going to get what it wanted.

If he launched even a small nuke at Ukraine, he knows that India and China will completely cut him off, because that's a bridge too far for both of them (both of them have said as much publicly and China has told him directly, in-person). Even if they hadn't said that,  while the West may not necessarily respond with military action against Russia, the West has publicly said they will completely cut off any nation still trading in some capacity with Russia, and that would kill India's and China's economies within a couple of months (they rely far more on export/import than Russia).  100s of millions of Indians and Chinese all of the sudden out of work, with food imports potentially being affected, is not something either of those governments wants, nor is either government able to handle that militarily if shit goes south and they riot.

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20 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

[Homesickhorn 2202]

I’m going to hell.

[Rimbo 25920]

2 minutes ago, Homesickhorn said:

I’m going to hell.

I'll be there with you, laughing at this.

On the other hand, you can see the blood floating downstream. The russkie is dying either way.

[Gatorubet 30211]

2 hours ago, MagicSoccerSpray said:

 

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30 minutes ago, Homesickhorn said:

I’m going to hell.

80s kids will get that.

[MillerEP 30454]

Avdiivka direction: pilots of UAV-bombers are scary people

 

[Gatorubet 30211]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

The battlefield is anywhere the enemy is found.  There is no "rear area."  Only targets that are farther away.

And yes, I favor commando operations and drone strikes.  No Russian who supports this war should sleep easily, anywhere.  You should have to be afraid of your car blowing up after you go buy your sack of potatoes.  You should fear a drone whirring down onto you as you sleep.  A bullet to the back of the head as you walk to the park.  Death should be a constant specter, walking behind you, laying next to you.  You, Russia, chose the way of death.  Now you get to travel it.

This is a war of extermination: Russia has declared it as such.  Ukraine should fight it as such.  We should help them however we can.

Totally unrelated question: How many beers did you have out on your porch while you were waiting for your room to heat up?

[Pato del Muerto 52489]

@Brisketexan is this thread’s version of this guy on Austin tv:

[MillerEP 30454]

A native of Ryazan, a graduate of KVAKU, a former division commander #98vdd Major General (retired) Ulyanov Dmitry Alexandrovich, born in 1978. from Anapa he went to command the Tatar motorized rifles, on 04-05/02/23 he met the DRG (according to rumors) and died

^Another dead General?

 

[The Dog 44020]

 

[mooseoutfront 3643]

16 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

@Brisketexan is this thread’s version of this guy on Austin tv:

@Brisketexan reminds me of the H.L. Mencken quote:

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

And in this regard, I can't say I disagree with him.

[TexasEd 8066]

1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

 

^Another odd video. what are they chopping?

 

Edited February 7, 2023 by TexasEd

[Gatorubet 30211]

5 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

I’m sad because I just realized we are one letter away from being able to call him Patriarch Whale Shit

[statsman 5457]

5 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

Lots of Russians ARE dying.  The 188k number thrown around most recently is staggering.  

 

Isn’t that the recent DoD number? I thought it was KIA and wounded. And the problem is- Russia doesn’t give a shit at all how many of their penal soldiers are killed. 
 
They are fine with running a meat grinder as long as they get to feed the meat in. We need to give Ukraine the weapons to kill the troops they might actually care about. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by statsman

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1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

A native of Ryazan, a graduate of KVAKU, a former division commander #98vdd Major General (retired) Ulyanov Dmitry Alexandrovich, born in 1978. from Anapa he went to command the Tatar motorized rifles, on 04-05/02/23 he met the DRG (according to rumors) and died

^Another dead General?

Rob Lee has a little more context.

 

[Gatorubet 30211]

2 hours ago, mooseoutfront said:

@Brisketexan reminds me of the H.L. Mencken quote:

"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."

And in this regard, I can't say I disagree with him.

[YGIFS 19450]

All this time, Peter Sarsgaard was a Russian spy?  

[AUS-97HORN 11757]

A retired general doesn't count in the official stats of dead generals

 

Proof:  the retired air force  General flying for Wagner who was shot down and died  wasn't counted as a general kill

 

I think the last general to die in combat was the one who died at the same headquarters Gerasimov was visiting when the UKs fired missiles into (while the US was shamefully hiding that headquarters info from Ukr) but they found it anyway and lightly wounded Gerasimov  and killed at least 1 general

 

And that was back in April I believe

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6 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

Proof:  the retired air force  General flying for Wagner who was shot down and died  wasn't counted as a general kill

Would you say it was at least a major kill?

[YGIFS 19450]

would it count in Lieu on a General?  

[cactusflinthead 27598]

 

[Brisketexan 105095]

Totally unrelated question: How many beers did you have out on your porch while you were waiting for your room to heat up?

“Just a coupla beers, officer.”

[mention=593]Brisketexan[/mention] reminds me of the H.L. Mencken quote:
"Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
And in this regard, I can't say I disagree with him.

That one has definitely been running through my head, hard.
It’s a war. The primary direct goals are “kill people and break shit.” The more you do of those, the better you’re doing. Russians need to die. As many as possible.

[Rimbo 25920]

3 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Further in that thread:

 

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

80s kids will get that.

I'm not that *strong* a swimmer.

[statsman 5457]

I hear you, Brisket. I get you. 
 
It would still be better to have a lightning strike that encircles their command center and requires a mass surrender of Russian forces that could lead to ending this damned war. 

Edited February 7, 2023 by statsman

[Brisketexan 105095]

I hear you, Brisket. I get you. 
 
It would still be better to have a lightning strike that encircles their command center and requires a mass surrender of Russian forces that could lead to ending this damned war. 

Meh. Then after the war, they’ll just go back to Russia, create a false narrative that they won, and raise a new generation of murderous sociopaths. Better to kill them. Every Russian who remains should know the brutal, terrifying, crushing, and undeniable feel of utter defeat. It must become an undeniable cultural identity. “We were bad. We did and supported bad things. We must never do them again.”
You know, the German and Japanese model. That’s how you end up with a nation suitable for being part of the global community. Anything short of that, and you end up with another version of this Russia.

[The Dog 44020]

 

[Brisketexan 105095]

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Summary: the UKA is killing lots of Russians. They should kill more, and faster.

[Gravy Train 974]

This almost looks like CGI, and yet, they hunker down over an inbound grenade

 

[The Dog 44020]

13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Summary: the UKA is killing lots of Russians. They should kill more, and faster.

LOL knew you'd like that one.

[InkaUtexas 25907]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Meh. Then after the war, they’ll just go back to Russia, create a false narrative that they won, and raise a new generation of murderous sociopaths. Better to kill them. Every Russian who remains should know the brutal, terrifying, crushing, and undeniable feel of utter defeat. It must become an undeniable cultural identity. “We were bad. We did and supported bad things. We must never do them again.”
You know, the German and Japanese model. That’s how you end up with a nation suitable for being part of the global community. Anything short of that, and you end up with another version of this Russia.

See, but will Russia ever be able to meet the modern concept of a nation? They can control their colonies, or so they think. It is not Russia, it is Moscow. Just like it is not longer the British Empire, it is England. 

 

[Gatorubet 30211]

I was thinking tonight about how Russia cannot even tell the truth about its own military history in World War II, the victory over Germany being the most treasured seminal event in Russian history.   Because Russians are incapable of introspection and acknowledging their errors and failure, they will NEVER be able to correct all that is wrong in their society.

The Russian TV talking head claims that the collective west backed Germany. This was certainly news to France, Belgium, Norway, England, etc…. It is true that after being invaded by the Soviet Union, Finland and Poland we’re happy Germany attacked the Soviet Union. 

I just want to comment on the claim that Germany attacked with superior troops and arms. The very first day of Barbarosa, the Germans were the farthest thing from a true mechanized force. They attacked using 625,000 horses to pull their shit. 

The Soviet union had 15,000 tanks to 3300 on the Wehrmacht ‘s side (when Germany attacked there were almost no panther or tiger tanks as they were produced later in response to the Soviet T 34 tank). The Soviets had a 7 to 1 advantage in war planes 15,000 against 2,250 in the Luftwaffe. Predictably, the Soviets had 37,000 artillery pieces (with 110,000 cannons in mortars in reserve) versus Germany’s 7,146.

The massive Soviet army was a result of decades of Stalin’s military buildup. The how and why Germany kicked the red army’s ass at the start of the war is just as much due to multiple levels of Russian incompetence - and a culture with the same basic failings we see today - as it is Germany having “more men arms and equipment”.  Germany did not.  Yeah, Germany had good stuff, but Russia uses that to explain their utter failure to prepare for the war and to hide Stalin’s incompetence.   The Krauts had experienced battle hardened troops, and a professional General Staff.   Stalin had post-purge sycophant officers and your average rape-y, steal-y, Ivan soldier. 

Today Russia again has no experienced troops, lots of dead officers, seemingly no command structure to brag about, and  no good reason to fight like - I don’t know - your country being invaded by SS genocidal criminals?

Ukraine has the motivation, as Russia is now WWII evil Germany. 

 

tl; dr     Russia cannot NOT lie about everything.  Which is why they will lose. 

 

[Rimbo 25920]

meanwhile, the NYTimes continues to prophesy doom and gloom for Ukraine

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4 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Meh. Then after the war, they’ll just go back to Russia, create a false narrative that they won, and raise a new generation of murderous sociopaths. 

After this is over, we need to try and figure out how to once again flood Russia's internet with our social media, YouTube, etc.

Yeah, we'll get Qanon idiots repeating the propaganda here in the US, and idiots like Elon Musk who also can't differentiate between Russian propaganda and the actual facts, but we'll continue to chip away at their youth and the upbringing they are getting, and how shitty much of their country is while the oligarchs are building yachts worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

I may very well be wrong, but my gut says that of the 700,000 or so that fled Russia, social media helped show them the way. There's a reason why all of the major (rational) Russian YouTubers fled, and many of them documented how they did it and why they did it.

Thanks to social media, YouTube, etc., they caught a glimpse of how green it was on the other side, and sure it's just a few steps taken forwards, while some are sleepwalking back again, as if they're dragged by the force of some inner tide, but the alternative is a life consumed by slow decay.

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Edited February 7, 2023 by KYHorn

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[KYHorn 17029]

Tangentially related but worth noting:

 

 

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13 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

What a magnificent machine, it’s odd now losing things like this hammer home the cost of the war. I’ve been close to a “baby” brother and the scale is hard to understand. 
 

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I may very well be wrong, but my gut says that of the 700,000 or so that fled Russia, social media helped show them the way.

So a tik toc on how to make cardboard containers into a jewelry box and another making someone keep rinsing their hair in a public shower is the way to get Russians to want to come here. And we want them, why? So China can take Siberia? Those chinamen are clever.

[statsman 5457]

Russia trying to push

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-pushes-on-several-fronts-in-ukraine-11675770451?mod=world_lead_pos1#comments_sector
 

Quote

DNIPRO, Ukraine—Russian forces launched multiple attacks in eastern Ukraine, pushing for a breakthrough on the battlefield ahead of the delivery of new Western weapons, although the U.K. cast doubt on the prospects for a major Russian offensive.  

The General Staff of Ukraine’s armed forces said Russia was regrouping and attacking on five fronts in the eastern Donetsk and Luhansk regions, as part of a wider offensive anticipated by Kyiv and its Western allies. 

 

[Orange&White 5522]

7 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I was thinking tonight about how Russia cannot even tell the truth about its own military history in World War II, the victory over Germany being the most treasured seminal event in Russian history.   Because Russians are incapable of introspection and acknowledging their errors and failure, they will NEVER be able to correct all that is wrong in their society.

 

 

This sounds so familiar... I can't quite put my finger on it...like another institution we are familiar with..

[cactusflinthead 27598]

Old granny waves her black flag and makes ghillie suits.

"Some 90 years on, she refuses to accept the latest aggression. Her hatred for Russia is visible as she mimics a slitting of the throat. “We need to exterminate them so that not a single one is left. Only then can there be any peace,” Yarosh says of the Russians."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/06/europe/ukraine-famine-survivor-intl/index.html

[Chad Fuck 17670]

12 hours ago, statsman said:

Isn’t that the recent DoD number? I thought it was KIA and wounded. And the problem is- Russia doesn’t give a shit at all how many of their penal soldiers are killed. 
 
They are fine with running a meat grinder as long as they get to feed the meat in. We need to give Ukraine the weapons to kill the troops they might actually care about. 

You're probably right re killed AND injured.  Still, it's an eye watering number.  

And I think I've said it here before, but it's worth repeating:  We need to give the Ukrainians everything short of nukes.  Whatever they ask for, as much as they want, as fast as we can (so long as we have enough to cover our own asses).  First, it's the right thing to do.  But second, it is in our long term strategic interests for many reasons which have been stated more eloquently here already.  If the Russians want to grind meat against a Ukrainian sausage maker, we should do our best to indulge them.  Finally, it's the only thing that will end this war quickly and favorably.  

I think we're just debating on the manner of doing so.  

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3 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Tangentially related but worth noting:

Tied into that, India just landed and launched the first Indian-manufactured fighter off of the first Indian-manufactured aircraft carrier

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/first-fighters-land-aboard-indias-first-homegrown-aircraft-carrier

Big deal for their defense industry, and they’ve increased/updated their plans to move to another homegrown fighter that’s more advanced.  Russia is going to continue losing a lot of defense business.

[The Dog 44020]

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2 hours ago, statsman said:

Russia trying to push

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-pushes-on-several-fronts-in-ukraine-11675770451?mod=world_lead_pos1#comments_sector
 

Feels like we are seeing more and more social media posts showing Russians being killed/wounded in groups.

On a side note, have a friend who was a combat medic and I showed him the video of the Russian dying in the ditch water.

He thinks the guy probably had a chest wound of sorts and his lungs were filling up with blood.  He said in that kind of situation, you are in 100% panic mode and the guy was literally drowning on his own blood anyways.  He said if the guy got hit in the legs, arms, or even stomach, there would have been some awareness of the water and keeping your head up would have been a natural instinct.  Choking on his own blood though…nightmare fuel.

[The Dog 44020]

13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Feels like we are seeing more and more social media posts showing Russians being killed/wounded in groups.

 

this might be why: