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Don't get too excited, though. It appears it was purchased from Ace Aeronautics, a manufacturer with a license to purchase US Army Blackhawks and repurpose them for civilian use. Based out of DFW out of the old Apache Enterprises operation. Still interesting.

If they are purchased from the Army, they could be original UH-60A's, made from the late 70s through 1989, or UH-60L's, produced (or upgraded A models) from 1989 through the mid-2000s, which had improved engines, gearboxes, electronics, etc.  The Army also upgraded most? existing A models to L back in the 90s and early 2000s, so I doubt they would be straight-up A models that had been in storage.  The UH-60M went into production around 15 years ago and is actually replacing the older ones (lots of upgrades, and some of the older airframes would have a helluva lot of hours on them).

 

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It is sunset, isn't it?  As I watch it (virtually), I am starting to think Putin is not the genius I was assured he was.  Ukraine victory, albeit slow and with more unfortunate suffering, is imminent.  The big question mark is how does Putin exit the stage?  Assassination?  Exile?  Suicide?  "Act of Terror"?  Is it too soon to start a Presidential Library Fund for him

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

As we hit the one year anniversary, imagine an alternate timeline...

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That is fucking hilarious. 

The entire scenario points to a bigger truth. Before the war, we heard from tankies and fascists “imagine how the U.S. would react if Mexico and Canada invited Russian or a Chinese forces to be stationed there.” 
 

And that’s a stupid counter-factual and a better question is “why don’t Canada or Mexico feel the need to seek security guarantees? Why do Mexico and Canada have such tiny military budgets given their position next to a massive superpower?”

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WaPo on Putin in the Hague

 

Opinion Putin belongs in The Hague. Can the world send him there?

 
Russian President Vladimir Putin gives his annual state of the nation address in Moscow on Feb. 21. (Maxim Blinov/AP) 

 

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A year ago, it would have been a fantasy to imagine Russian President Vladimir Putin facing a reckoning for his crimes in Ukraine. But now there’s at least reason to hope an international court case could become a reality.

On Tuesday, in his speech in Warsaw, President Biden promised “to seek justice for the war crimes and crimes against humanity continuing to be committed by the Russians” in Ukraine. A few days earlier in Munich, Vice President Harris had used similar language about Russian atrocities, adding that “superiors who are complicit in those crimes” would be “held to account.”

Earlier this month, Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, announced the creation of an international center for the prosecution of “the crime of aggression in Ukraine,” which is being set up in The Hague, home of the International Criminal Court and the scene of several past high-profile war crimes trials.

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This could lead to the creation of a special tribunal aimed at top Russian officials who engineered the war in Ukraine — Putin first and foremost. A variety of organizations are already investigating, and in some cases prosecuting, Russian soldiers and military commanders for atrocities in the conflict. But because the ICC lacks the jurisdiction to prosecute those who made the decision to go to war in the first place, there is a need for the new high-level court.

Opinions on the war in Ukraine after one year

Why is this important? Geoffrey Nice, a British lawyer who led the prosecution of ex-Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic during his trial for war crimes early in the century, put it to me starkly: The primary point of any accountability process is deterrence. We need to dissuade future leaders from thinking they can get away with this. And if that’s the case, he said, the sooner we start, the better. He also noted that Putin doesn’t have to be in custody for a trial to go ahead; he can be tried in absentia.

A prosecution also signals to victims that the world cares — and ensures that all crimes committed are documented in detail.

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Yes, there are obstacles to speedy justice. Russia is a member of the United Nations Security Council, a position that gives it considerable sway. And China, India, Turkey, South Africa and other countries have shown that they are unwilling to condemn Russian aggression, especially when they are profiting from cooperation with Moscow. Many around the world would decry any trial of Kremlin leaders as unfair.

Yet, Moscow might not be able to rely on its friends forever. Images of Russia’s astonishing savagery in Ukraine continue to circulate around the world — which helps to explain why resolutions condemning the war have passed by overwhelming margins in the U.N. General Assembly. Even some of Putin’s closest allies might shy away from being associated too publicly with the man who wanted to change international borders by force.

There are those who argue for holding back on talk of a reckoning for Putin as long as the war continues. After all, the West negotiated with Milosevic to end the first phase of the 1990s wars in former Yugoslavia. It was only later, after NATO intervention ended the Kosovo Conflict and a change of government in Belgrade toppled Milosevic from power, that the international community moved to prosecute him.

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Today, the argument goes, stopping the war should again take priority. Threatening Putin with legal jeopardy would only give him one more reason to continue his aggression.

It’s a valid point, but it’s also possible to argue the opposite: that moving ahead with a tribunal might hasten the war’s end — by signaling that Putin’s regime has lost legitimacy, and the only way Russia can hope to regain its status in the world is by getting rid of him.

Nice said he’d like to see Putin on trial within the year. He noted that while prosecuting individual atrocities can take years, determining ultimate responsibility for the war is “straightforward” and therefore faster. “Putin,” he said, “has committed an attack on a civilian population, which is one of the requirements for crimes against humanity.”

A scenario in which a devastating Russian loss — like Milosevic’s catastrophic failure to impose his will on the Balkans — prompts Putin’s downfall and subsequent prosecution remains a long shot. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t start putting together the case against him.

War in Ukraine: What you need to know

The latest: President Biden made a dramatic, unannounced visit to Kyiv on Monday, in a display of robust American support for Ukraine just four days before the anniversary of Russia’s full-scale invasion. The high-risk visit to the historic Ukrainian capital signaled continued commitment from the United States, Ukraine’s largest financial and military backer. Biden is set to visit Poland next, to discuss Western efforts to help Ukraine resist Russia’s invasion. Read the latest here.

The fight: Russia has been targeting Ukrainian civilian infrastructure with missile and drone strikes since October, often knocking out electricity, heating and water in the country. Despite heavy fighting, no side has made significant gains for months. Western allies agreed to a new wave of elaborate weapons, including Leopard tanks, hoping it may change the balance on the battlefield.

A year of war: Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war has set off a historic exodus of his own people, with data showing that at least 500,000, and perhaps nearly 1 million, have left Russia since the start of the conflict in Ukraine. Despite that and extensive sanctions, the Russian economy has remained more resilient than many expected. There are signs, however, that Putin’s luck may be starting to run out.

Photos: Washington Post photographers have been on the ground from the beginning of the war — here’s some of their most powerful work.

How you can help: Here are ways those in the United States can support the Ukrainian people as well as what people around the world have been donating.

Read our full coverage of the Russia-Ukraine war. Are you on Telegram? Subscribe to our channel for updates and exclusive video.

 

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6 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

That is fucking hilarious. 

And that’s a stupid counter-factual and a better question is “why don’t Canada or Mexico feel the need to seek security guarantees? Why do Mexico and Canada have such tiny military budgets given their position next to a massive superpower?”

Exactly my response every time I hear some dumb chucklefuck attempt to raise that hypothetical.

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37 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Exactly my response every time I hear some dumb chucklefuck attempt to raise that hypothetical.

Mexico used to have a bunch of American nuclear weapons on its soil. Then the United Stated signed a treaty that said we promise to guarantee Mexico's security in exchange for the return of those weapons. Then, 20 years later, the United States annexed Baja California by force and propped up separatists who created defacto breakaway states in Chihuahua and Coahuila. American politicians and media started talking a lot about how Mexico isn't a real country and that anyone who intervenes in US-Mexico affairs should get a nuke thrown at them. Needless to say, this all made Mexico a little nervous and the Mexican people and government started feeling like they might be better off being friends with China instead of the US.

Clearly this is all Mexico and China's fault.

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WaPo on Putin in the Hague

 

Opinion Putin belongs in The Hague. Can the world send him there?

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin gives his annual state of the nation address in Moscow on Feb. 21. (Maxim Blinov/AP) 

 

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A year ago, it would have been a fantasy to imagine Russian President Vladimir Putin facing a reckoning for his crimes in Ukraine. But now there’s at least reason to hope an international court case could become a reality.

On Tuesday, in his speech in Warsaw, President Biden promised “to seek justice for the war crimes and crimes against humanity continuing to be committed by the Russians” in Ukraine. A few days earlier in Munich, Vice President Harris had used similar language about Russian atrocities, adding that “superiors who are complicit in those crimes” would be “held to account.”

Earlier this month, Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, announced the creation of an international center for the prosecution of “the crime of aggression in Ukraine,” which is being set up in The Hague, home of the International Criminal Court and the scene of several past high-profile war crimes trials.

Story continues below advertisement

 

This could lead to the creation of a special tribunal aimed at top Russian officials who engineered the war in Ukraine — Putin first and foremost. A variety of organizations are already investigating, and in some cases prosecuting, Russian soldiers and military commanders for atrocities in the conflict. But because the ICC lacks the jurisdiction to prosecute those who made the decision to go to war in the first place, there is a need for the new high-level court.

Opinions on the war in Ukraine after one year

Why is this important? Geoffrey Nice, a British lawyer who led the prosecution of ex-Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic during his trial for war crimes early in the century, put it to me starkly: The primary point of any accountability process is deterrence. We need to dissuade future leaders from thinking they can get away with this. And if that’s the case, he said, the sooner we start, the better. He also noted that Putin doesn’t have to be in custody for a trial to go ahead; he can be tried in absentia.

A prosecution also signals to victims that the world cares — and ensures that all crimes committed are documented in detail.

Story continues below advertisement

 

Yes, there are obstacles to speedy justice. Russia is a member of the United Nations Security Council, a position that gives it considerable sway. And China, India, Turkey, South Africa and other countries have shown that they are unwilling to condemn Russian aggression, especially when they are profiting from cooperation with Moscow. Many around the world would decry any trial of Kremlin leaders as unfair.

Yet, Moscow might not be able to rely on its friends forever. Images of Russia’s astonishing savagery in Ukraine continue to circulate around the world — which helps to explain why resolutions condemning the war have passed by overwhelming margins in the U.N. General Assembly. Even some of Putin’s closest allies might shy away from being associated too publicly with the man who wanted to change international borders by force.

There are those who argue for holding back on talk of a reckoning for Putin as long as the war continues. After all, the West negotiated with Milosevic to end the first phase of the 1990s wars in former Yugoslavia. It was only later, after NATO intervention ended the Kosovo Conflict and a change of government in Belgrade toppled Milosevic from power, that the international community moved to prosecute him.

Story continues below advertisement

 

Today, the argument goes, stopping the war should again take priority. Threatening Putin with legal jeopardy would only give him one more reason to continue his aggression.

It’s a valid point, but it’s also possible to argue the opposite: that moving ahead with a tribunal might hasten the war’s end — by signaling that Putin’s regime has lost legitimacy, and the only way Russia can hope to regain its status in the world is by getting rid of him.

Nice said he’d like to see Putin on trial within the year. He noted that while prosecuting individual atrocities can take years, determining ultimate responsibility for the war is “straightforward” and therefore faster. “Putin,” he said, “has committed an attack on a civilian population, which is one of the requirements for crimes against humanity.”

A scenario in which a devastating Russian loss — like Milosevic’s catastrophic failure to impose his will on the Balkans — prompts Putin’s downfall and subsequent prosecution remains a long shot. But that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t start putting together the case against him.

War in Ukraine: What you need to know

The latest: President Biden made a dramatic, unannounced visit to Kyiv on Monday, in a display of robust American support for Ukraine just four days before the anniversary of Russia’s full-scale invasion. The high-risk visit to the historic Ukrainian capital signaled continued commitment from the United States, Ukraine’s largest financial and military backer. Biden is set to visit Poland next, to discuss Western efforts to help Ukraine resist Russia’s invasion. Read the latest here.

The fight: Russia has been targeting Ukrainian civilian infrastructure with missile and drone strikes since October, often knocking out electricity, heating and water in the country. Despite heavy fighting, no side has made significant gains for months. Western allies agreed to a new wave of elaborate weapons, including Leopard tanks, hoping it may change the balance on the battlefield.

A year of war: Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war has set off a historic exodus of his own people, with data showing that at least 500,000, and perhaps nearly 1 million, have left Russia since the start of the conflict in Ukraine. Despite that and extensive sanctions, the Russian economy has remained more resilient than many expected. There are signs, however, that Putin’s luck may be starting to run out.

Photos: Washington Post photographers have been on the ground from the beginning of the war — here’s some of their most powerful work.

How you can help: Here are ways those in the United States can support the Ukrainian people as well as what people around the world have been donating.

Read our full coverage of the Russia-Ukraine war. Are you on Telegram? Subscribe to our channel for updates and exclusive video.

 

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33 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Gen Hertling posted this one year ago.

Every point he made turned out correct.

Worth a click through to see every prediction he made.

Except the part where he said the Russian equipment was good, but not great.

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29 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Maybe we should start sending anyone who still doesn't know how to paste as plain text to the Hague.

Except the part where he said the Russian equipment was good, but not great.

the Russia equipment is "good, not great"  the fucksticks driving and using the shit are incompetent boobs.

for the most part, until all the Javelins and other MANPADS really started showing up in the first months, Ukraine was using the same fucking equipment against Russia, and kept winning the 1 on 1 or even 2 on 1 battles... its when they were 5 or 10v1 that the Ukrainians were beaten and/or had to retreat.

yes, almost every western battle tank, and Tier 1 APC are better than the Russian version, but Mark said "good, not great". 

 

The only thing he got really wrong as pointed out already above was the lack of air superiority... and THAT was evident within the 3 days of the war.   Ukraine had (and still has) a lot of planes and Helo's still in active use and production, and with the few exceptions of the original attack group flying into Kyiv and getting shot down the first 2 days, and the localized attacks along the Southern Russian advances,  a Russian plane or helo hasnt entered more than 15 miles into Ukrainian held land area.  

Meanwhile, Ukraine has done several covert attacks on the military bases near Belgorod, and behind Russian lines, that were successful.

Russia's only attacking using missiles or drones in the areas they dont control.  thats the shock.   Ukraine can still attack IN Russia with aircraft, while Russia cant attack without non-manned devices.

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Guys like this dick with his shiny medals as the problem... get rid of Putin and this mindset is still around.  These old Soviet blowhards need to be deposed, too.

These guys remind me of scouts with a bunch of badges.  I bet his medals are for cooking and calisthenics.

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25 minutes ago, texasdago said:

Guys like this dick with his shiny medals as the problem... get rid of Putin and this mindset is still around.  These old Soviet blowhards need to be deposed, too.

These guys remind me of scouts with a bunch of badges.  I bet his medals are for cooking and calisthenics.

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Is he the top bell hop at a Radisson?

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Good find Schultz. 

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The reason I’ve talked about this war already being a long war — it’s already too late to have a short war; it’s just a debate of how long it will be — is so folks don’t suffer from short-termism, don’t become overly comfortable with Ukrainian success in the fall, understand that the war is far from won, and have a sober-minded assessment of what it will take to support Ukraine over the course of this year and the next, rather than jumping from month to month and looking for silver bullets.

Some folks think this is defeatism. To me, it’s a better and more clear-eyed way to think about the war than the undue optimism you encounter in some circles

This will be a slog.

Certainly one of the problems interpreting what rhetoric is true in a nation of pathological liars - is what emphasis to take from which of their many lies.  But when I see state TV and other Putin mouthpieces saying that if Russia does not win it will cease to exist and fragment, I see that as, at least, possibly a true indication of their mindset.  Which might mean that Putin will not stop until the last conscript is killed - or Putin is killed - trying to take  the “incorporated” Donbas land. 

At this point I’m inclined to think that the single most important factor is not the upcoming Bradleys, etc., for spring offensives, but in a longer view, stopping China from supplying military resources that Russia does not have to continue a successful war. 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Remember 10 or 15 years ago, all of those videos of Russians getting drunk and fighting each other?

"Never in my life did I see any sober people there," he said, as Solovyev smirked, "It's the truth— that's how it's always been in our country. It's always been this way and always will be.”

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2 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Other than saying Russia had air superiority, he pretty much nailed it. 

To be fair, they should’ve had air superiority. Hurtling never imagined they would fuck it up as bad as they did.  Remember the stories how Ukrainian pilots managed to get their jets airborne and most landed at a more remote base - where they sat around for a few days totally subject to being destroyed by Russian attacks - finally dispersing before Russia could   destroy the sitting ducks? 

All of that happened a few days after Hertling’s comments.  There was never a reason that Russia should not have had air superiority.  Well, except for the always correct maxim: “we’re very lucky they’re so fucking stupid.”

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https://www.ft.com/content/80002564-33e8-48fb-b734-44810afb7a49?s=09

This is fucking bullshit and it smells to me like an info-op from some people inside the Kremlin or close to it who are thinking how to get of sanctions. 
 

The U.S. for MONTHS made noise about the build-up, you had OSINT tracking military movement. I mean, you had Kremlin official outlets going to Twitter to accuse the U.S. of warmongering, insisting it was all just an exercise, and swearing no invasion was coming.  
 

I won’t deny that it was a tiny circle to draw up the ops plans, but this is bullshit to say that no one could have known what’s up until the announcement. The gotdamn President of the United States told them all it was coming. 

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2 hours ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Maybe we should start sending anyone who still doesn't know how to paste as plain text to the Hague.

Except the part where he said the Russian equipment was good, but not great.

 

2 hours ago, SquishMitten said:

Other than saying Russia had air superiority, he pretty much nailed it. 

These things were both true at the time he said them. Remember, the Ukrainians fight the Russians back with largely the same equipment.

Things got worse.

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I won’t deny that it was a tiny circle to draw up the ops plans, but this is bullshit to say that no one could have known what’s up until the announcement. The gotdamn President of the United States told them all it was coming. 

Yup.  I’m inclined to think that many of the oligarchs in the room who were all invited to share sanctions-fest 22 may not have known what was coming down.    But thank you Putin for not letting logistics people in on the greater details.  Running out of gas and food a couple hundred miles from your own border was a hard feat to accomplish.

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15 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

To be fair, they should’ve had air superiority. Hurtling never imagined they would fuck it up as bad as they did.  Remember the stories how Ukrainian pilots managed to get their jets airborne and most landed at a more remote base - where they sat around for a few days totally subject to being destroyed by Russian attacks - finally dispersing before Russia could   destroy the sitting ducks? 

All of that happened a few days after Hertling’s comments.  There was never a reason that Russia should not have had air superiority.  Well, except for the always correct maxim: “we’re very lucky they’re so fucking stupid.”

according to the FT article it's because they shot down their own aircraft and now nobody wants to fly over there. 

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These things were both true at the time he said them. Remember, the Ukrainians fight the Russians back with largely the same equipment.

Things got worse.

No, their equipment is shit and always has been. Just because Ukraine fought them with the same stuff initially doesn't mean it wasn't shit. 

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