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[bolverk 30376]

19 minutes ago, The Dog said:

what are those two dudes doing on top of the dome when the drone strikes?

 

 

Good question. If you look carefully at the remnants just after the explosion, it looks like a glider made of balsa wood or something similarly flimsy catching fire and almost floating down while burning.

Edited May 3, 2023 by bolverk

[Schulz2.0 29304]

Long ass thread. I won't post all of it, but basically an argument that it's a legit hit by Ukraine meant to embarrass Putin/Russia and potentially force them to pull air defense away from strategic targets to defend symbolic targets.

 

[SquishMitten 10497]

So they want everyone to believe Ukraine launched multiple slow-moving drones that flew >500 miles, into the most heavily defended air space in the country, didn't go straight for the target but rather swung around and attacked from the east, and only bothered to put a few M80s on them? I don't see how that does anything good for them. If true, it should be seen as an epic failure by Russia. I wonder if it's somehow tied in with the reports that Russian troops had recently received a bunch of Ukrainian military uniforms for a likely staged "terrorist" attack. 

[The Dog 44870]

 

[atomheartbevo 90683]

25 minutes ago, The Dog said:

or it could piss them off in the wrong way. 

Yeah, Putin's out there saying they are winning, rah rah rah, and how Ukraine is weak, etc., and then all of the sudden Ukraine brings the war home to Moscow residents who were told that they were protected by the Russian military. Sure, some will be pissed at Ukraine, but plenty will be wondering how the fuck it happened.  It's bad enough that all the young men are worried like hell they'll be conscripted, and now this shit of Putin's 3-Day Special Military Occupation.

But then you see the two guys on the roof and it just kind of makes you wonder how random of an event it was that two guys just so happen to be on the roof.

[Macanudo 13342]

8 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

So they want everyone to believe Ukraine launched multiple slow-moving drones that flew >500 miles, into the most heavily defended air space in the country, didn't go straight for the target but rather swung around and attacked from the east, and only bothered to put a few M80s on them? I don't see how that does anything good for them. If true, it should be seen as an epic failure by Russia. I wonder if it's somehow tied in with the reports that Russian troops had recently received a bunch of Ukrainian military uniforms for a likely staged "terrorist" attack. 

They don't need "everyone" to believe that.  Just Russians.

[Schulz2.0 29304]

 

[Deej 77894]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

But then you see the two guys on the roof and it just kind of makes you wonder how random of an event it was that two guys just so happen to be on the roof

Seems like that's the least questionable part. Don't we have guys on the roof of the White House at all times? 

[Schulz2.0 29304]

8 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

So they want everyone to believe Ukraine launched multiple slow-moving drones that flew >500 miles, into the most heavily defended air space in the country, didn't go straight for the target but rather swung around and attacked from the east, and only bothered to put a few M80s on them? I don't see how that does anything good for them. If true, it should be seen as an epic failure by Russia. I wonder if it's somehow tied in with the reports that Russian troops had recently received a bunch of Ukrainian military uniforms for a likely staged "terrorist" attack. 

Remember the reports that they wanted to do this on the anniversary of the war, but we stopped them? I think it's more plausible than people here want to admit.

[kevwun 16449]

I don't care if they did try it.  I can guarantee you Russia has tried to take out Zelenskyy multiple times.

[statsman 5704]

Mathias Rust meets Jimmy Doolittle. 

[SydneyCarton 49537]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, Putin's out there saying they are winning, rah rah rah, and how Ukraine is weak, etc., and then all of the sudden Ukraine brings the war home to Moscow residents who were told that they were protected by the Russian military. Sure, some will be pissed at Ukraine, but plenty will be wondering how the fuck it happened.  It's bad enough that all the young men are worried like hell they'll be conscripted, and now this shit of Putin's 3-Day Special Military Occupation.

But then you see the two guys on the roof and it just kind of makes you wonder how random of an event it was that two guys just so happen to be on the roof.

No they won't. They're Russians. 

7 minutes ago, Deej said:

Seems like that's the least questionable part. Don't we have guys on the roof of the White House at all times? 

Only willie when he's getting high.

[956 Worldwide 35602]

If it had really been Ukrainian operators successfully getting that close to the Kremlin, it would be extremely embarrassing for Russian security services.  They’d have another story ready in a heartbeat.  That alone is the best reason to doubt it. 
 

And, this will be a very good excuse to have serious repression and a reduced footprint at the May 9 parade, which was likely gonna happen anyway. 

[Schulz2.0 29304]

12 minutes ago, Deej said:

Seems like that's the least questionable part. Don't we have guys on the roof of the White House at all times? 

If there was a 15 minute delay in between the drone hits, it would make sense if that was the second drone.

[956 Worldwide 35602]

14 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

No they won't. They're Russians. 

Only willie when he's getting high.

The Moscow Kremlin is huge. It’s over 50 acres enclosed inside the wall.  It’s got churches and building and museums. The fire is on the dome of the Senate building and VVP would be working in the Grand Kremlin Palace if he was there. 
 

EDIT: He has offices in the Sensre as well, but the palace is the official residence. 
 

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by 956 Worldwide

[SydneyCarton 49537]

2 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Moscow Kremlin is huge. It’s over 50 acres enclosed inside the wall.  It’s got churches and building and museums. The fire is on the dome of the Senate building and VVP would be working in the Grand Kremlin Palace if he was there. 
 

 

This is what I was clumsily getting at earlier. Ukraine did all this, successfully flew a drone to the Kremlin...however many Kilometers whether it was from Ukraine, or some operatives in Russia...precision work, avoiding air defense...and then hit the wrong building. Uh, ok. It's like barry sanders juking the other 11 guys 3 times apiece on one play, breaking free, and then taking a hard left out of bounds a yard before the end zone with no defenders on his tail. It's absurd. 

[SquishMitten 10497]

3 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

If there was a 15 minute delay in between the drone hits, it would make sense if that was the second drone.

Nah, the second drone looks like it actually hit the base of the flag pole and caused a small fire. The first one appears to have exploded in the air causing little to no damage, Those guys were walking up during the first one. Possibly to put out the expected fire, maybe to plant a small explosive if both drones failed, maybe security on a regular patrol...doubt we ever get an answer on that unless more videos come out.

[The Dog 44870]

[SquishMitten 10497]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

This is what I was clumsily getting at earlier. Ukraine did all this, successfully flew a drone to the Kremlin...however many Kilometers whether it was from Ukraine, or some operatives in Russia...precision work, avoiding air defense...and then hit the wrong building. Uh, ok. It's like barry sanders juking the other 11 guys 3 times apiece on one play, breaking free, and then taking a hard left out of bounds a yard before the end zone with no defenders on his tail. It's absurd. 

Yeah. The senate building, overlooking the center of Red Square, was clearly the target. You don't have two misses hit in the same wrong spot. Also, on rewatching the two videos, the second drone actually does look like it came in from the West, unlike the first which came in from the East. So, likely two different launch points, which makes it even more unlikely they both missed their intended target. Unless it comes out that Putin was in the Senate building, in which case, he must be shitting himself knowing that somebody has the means to track his exact location AND put explosives on that location.

[dimyh 1890]

Personally I think Putin is tired of that commute to the Kremlin. He staged this false flag so he'd have a credible reason to do WFH and not piss off his HR dept. Now he can safely stay in his bunker, play with his toy soldiers, maybe set a new high score on Tetris, without raising any suspicions.

[956 Worldwide 35602]

He’s not in the Kremlin that often, he prefers to do his work from his dacha. They’ve got a helipad in the Kremlin when he flies in because Muscovites got tired of motorcade traffic, so it’s no secret when he’s there. He does have the Senate Building daytime office but crashing drones into the dome wouldn’t be the way to get him. 

[956 Worldwide 35602]

But— the Senate has powerful emotional resonance to Russians. Lenin and Stalin maintained their main offices there and Stalin famously created the cult of him working late into the night in that building. See propaganda poster below with a red star on a Kremlin tower burning away. “Stalin is caring/working for each one of us in the Kremlin.” 
 

The image of the dome burning late at night would immediately bring these associations to mind. But VVP was almost for sure at his dacha. 
 

[The Dog 44870]

 

[Rimbo 27092]

 

[Rimbo 27092]

 

[The Dog 44870]

Russians asking "how could this happen?" isn't the response Mad Vlad was looking for...

[Schulz2.0 29304]

 

[The Dog 44870]

*except Belogrod fuck them hoes.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

I’d bet Russian partisans. This is embarrassing for Putin. If you’re going to do a false flag, you blow up a big building and kill a lot of Russians (like he’s done before). This was amateur hour, but the effect is embarrassing for Russia.

[Schulz2.0 29304]

 

[CHIEF 5235]

I've watched so many videos of drunk Russian soldiers, that it would make sense if the Ukrainians made Fentanyl vodka with labels in Russian. Drop them at the front, fall back, and wait till the fatal dose of Fentanyl to kick in. Or better yet, use something that takes a week or two for a fatality so the Russian troops have time to distribute it to all of their fellow assholes.

CHIEF

[Gatorubet 30792]

Two different takes. 

[Chad Fuck 18167]

14 minutes ago, CHIEF said:

I've watched so many videos of drunk Russian soldiers, that it would make sense if the Ukrainians made Fentanyl vodka with labels in Russian. Drop them at the front, fall back, and wait till the fatal dose of Fentanyl to kick in. Or better yet, use something that takes a week or two for a fatality so the Russian troops have time to distribute it to all of their fellow assholes.

CHIEF

Smallpox infested blankets?

[Rimbo 27092]

 

[The Dog 44870]

 

[tx 3 putt 78779]

Putin needs to be removed from office 

[Armybrat 41454]

Hope I’m wrong, but it looks like nobody in the Kremlin has the balls to do it.

[Pato del Muerto 53604]

Suddenly I have this in my head except it’s the kremlin he goes into

 

[Schulz2.0 29304]

[Deej 77894]

24 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Hope I’m wrong, but it looks like nobody in the Kremlin has the balls to do it.

Not with all those open windows.

[Viper 12221]

2 hours ago, CHIEF said:

I've watched so many videos of drunk Russian soldiers, that it would make sense if the Ukrainians made Fentanyl vodka with labels in Russian. Drop them at the front, fall back, and wait till the fatal dose of Fentanyl to kick in. Or better yet, use something that takes a week or two for a fatality so the Russian troops have time to distribute it to all of their fellow assholes.

CHIEF

Vodka mixed with blood thinner? It's similar how they kill nests of rats. 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 5005]

3 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I’d bet Russian partisans. This is embarrassing for Putin. If you’re going to do a false flag, you blow up a big building and kill a lot of Russians (like he’s done before). This was amateur hour, but the effect is embarrassing for Russia.

I'd like to imagine that Ukraine has contact with resistance groups in Russia and helps them obtain supplies and stuff, but doesn't really have complete control of what they do. Also, plausible deniability.

[SydneyCarton 49537]

39 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

Putin needs to be removed from office 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 5005]

Also, remember the dude that was supposed to get blown up in a car bomb, but it got his daughter instead? Didn't it later come out that Ukraine was behind that attack and Washington wasn't very happy about it? Well, if you are helping out a rogue Russian partisan group, sometimes they may do things you don't "agree" with and there is "nothing" you can do about it.

[956 Worldwide 35602]

3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Two different takes. 

Russian leadership does stupid shit all the time, like launch wars they can’t win or even tie and leave on their own terms. Mil bloggers are a pressure release valve that have no real audience among the most important Russians. The narrative of hostile and perfidious Ukraine backed by NATO that ultimately failed is more useful to the masses than the mil blogged who can think ahead and realize how embarrassing even a failed drone attack is. The average RU voter is extremely low info and low sophistication. 

[statsman 5704]

The Doolittle raid accomplished very little materially, but absolutely embarrassed the Imperial Japanese military. Doolittle hit Tokyo while the emperor was there! 
So, the Hapanese responded by killing 100,000 Chinese civilians (because China helped the raid team after their “landings”). Chiang Kai Shek wrote to FDR, “Please don’t do that again”. 

[Ten Bears 2500]

3 hours ago, CHIEF said:

I've watched so many videos of drunk Russian soldiers, that it would make sense if the Ukrainians made Fentanyl vodka with labels in Russian. Drop them at the front, fall back, and wait till the fatal dose of Fentanyl to kick in. Or better yet, use something that takes a week or two for a fatality so the Russian troops have time to distribute it to all of their fellow assholes.

CHIEF

 

Sounds a little war-crimey.

[Slacks 7078]

9 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

That woman just looks evil. 

Say I won't...

[JesusSweatDuck 18170]

5 hours ago, dimyh said:

Personally I think Putin is tired of that commute to the Kremlin. He staged this false flag so he'd have a credible reason to do WFH and not piss off his HR dept. Now he can safely stay in his bunker, play with his toy soldiers, maybe set a new high score on Tetris, without raising any suspicions.

So this is how I avoid RTO.  Noted

[JesusSweatDuck 18170]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

Putin needs to be removed from office this planet

FIFY