Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[BamaATL 16593]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So they are creating the barrel around the fish. 

I hope they just surround it and cut supplies a la a Vicksburg siege.  Starvation is a powerful motivator to surrender, and it would mean less Ukrainian casualties.  

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

Fewer gif 

[BamaATL 16593]

Nothing like an older gent dragging balls on Putin's face

[Post Oak 20208]

Goddamn Joe

 

[Captainant 27637]

It really is the height of irony that russia invaded to "denazify" Ukraine, and now they're getting dragged into a Stalingrad type situation, only they're the invading force about to get reverse encircled. 

Not to mention the strategic impact Bahkmut has had to pin down larger force concentrations from russia that have enabled Ukraine to better shape the battlefield 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Captainant

[Ghost of LL 15531]

13 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It really is the height of irony that russia invaded to "denazify" Ukraine, and now they're getting dragged into a Stalingrad type situation, on they're the invading force about to get reverse encircled. 

Not to mention the strategic impact Bahkmut has had to pin down larger force concentrations from russia that have enabled Ukraine to better shape the battlefield 

Yep. The Germans got to occupy the whole of Stalingrad. For a while.

[956 Worldwide 34702]

45 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It really is the height of irony that russia invaded to "denazify" Ukraine, and now they're getting dragged into a Stalingrad type situation, only they're the invading force about to get reverse encircled. 

Not to mention the strategic impact Bahkmut has had to pin down larger force concentrations from russia that have enabled Ukraine to better shape the battlefield 

Day 450 of 3-day Special Military Operation to de-nazify and de-militarize Ukraine. We have successfully demilitarized the loading dock of the west Bakhmut supermarket. 

Edited May 21, 2023 by 956 Worldwide

[Armybrat 40822]

11 hours ago, Saint Tacky said:

Knew a guy that flew a Warthog in Iraq during the first Gulf War  Actually flew over the “Highway of Death” strafing Iraqis and their equipment retreating from Kuwait. He described it as a turkey shoot. No ground fire to worry about and just cherry picking targets, trying to inflict as much death and damage as he could. 

This old American-made flak vest was picked up on the “Highway of Death” after the war by my son’s friend who was a US Army transport truck driver. Straps were gone, but fortunately no bloodstains are evident.

 

[Armybrat 40822]

2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

For most of you A-10 stans: there are people on this page who know they are obsolete in SAM contested air space and are only doing it to gin you up with your “brrrrrrrp” posts. 
 

Stahp

 

 

[Bateshorn 9927]

They are very cool planes that modern MANPADS have made obsolete.

[Rimbo 25911]

8 hours ago, Orange&White said:

WTF? Why?

 

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

 

Almost.

 

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Nothing like an older gent dragging balls on Putin's face

 

1 hour ago, Post Oak said:

Goddamn Joe

 

 

Telling it like it is.

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Part of the $375m package announced yesterday.

 

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13 hours ago, Deej said:

 

My wife has heard worse.  

[BamaATL 16593]

Oof, it's almost like the people should rise as one and demand change, but oh fucking well

 

[Bevo 13566]

The Ukrainian army received a new AFV- Czechoslovakian BPzV Svatava.

 

Can someone explain this to me? Is it a twitter mistake? Was it developed before '93? Was it a joint project between the two countries?

[InkaUtexas 25862]

1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

They are very cool planes that modern MANPADS have made obsolete.

I agree to a point. They would still be solid if working behind a tiered system. Isolate pockets, ensure air coverage, hammer the pocket. 

 

[Rimbo 25911]

hearing Joe say it hits differently from reading it

 

 

meanwhile, back to Bakhmut

 

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59 minutes ago, Bevo said:

The Ukrainian army received a new AFV- Czechoslovakian BPzV Svatava.

 

Can someone explain this to me? Is it a twitter mistake? Was it developed before '93? Was it a joint project between the two countries?

Made between 1988-90 in Czechoslovakia.

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[MillerEP 30447]

^Thought Surly might like this

 

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

9 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

 

The cynic in me wonders if team Biden is trying to time the big victory to happen around next summer/fall right before the election. 

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[Bevo 13566]

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The Third Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced that it cleared the enemy of 1,730 m in length and another 700 m in depth near Bakhmut.

1,730 m in length and another 700 m in depth - South Austin's mom would be proud.

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1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Oof, it's almost like the people should rise as one and demand change, but oh fucking well

 

I will say that mothers and wives of Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan exerted a tremendous pressure on the Soviet leadership.

With that said, I don't know if the same could be said now - Putin doesn't have a Politburo to keep him in check.  He can fire/replace/kill anybody that dares tell him "no".

[atomheartbevo 89628]

4 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

So they are creating the barrel around the fish.

but, of course, why would you announce that?  Maybe it’s a feint. Or maybe it’s fait accompli at this point. 

Surrounding thousands of Russian troops in Bakhmut after they claimed to take it would be a helluva mindfuck for all of those Russian units that have been involved in Bakhmut, particularly the recently-mobilized.  As a whole, they spend nearly 10 months trying to take this small town 145 miles from the Russian border, only to find themselves surrounded and cut off, just as the Ukrainians launch counter-offensives elsewhere.

33 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The cynic in me wonders if team Biden is trying to time the big victory to happen around next summer/fall right before the election. 

I think it's more about personalities/factions within the State Department/DOD/White House who had different views on what could be given to Ukraine, and the F-16 faction ultimately won out (helped by Russian constantly drawing red lines that mean nothing) - this debate has been raging for months now, but it really came to a head with Europe saying "we'll train the pilots and we'll provide the F-16s".  If some of the European countries, particularly the Brits, had not stepped up and started publicly pushing them in recent weeks, I don't know that it happens.

It's kind of like how the Leopard/Abrams thing happened - there were those who wanted to train/supply the Ukrainians, and those who didn't either out of fear or other reasons, and things reached a point where a consensus was reached, and somebody was going to supply non-Russian tanks, and either the US could be involved or not.

If you want to be cynical, I'd also wager that some defense contractors in the US were afraid of being left out.

[Rimbo 25911]

47 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

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I think she’s really downplaying the significance of LRASMs. I have a feeling they will have a devastating effect on every Russian warship in the Black Sea.

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48 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I will say that mothers and wives of Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan exerted a tremendous pressure on the Soviet leadership.

With that said, I don't know if the same could be said now - Putin doesn't have a Politburo to keep him in check.  He can fire/replace/kill anybody that dares tell him "no".

Another Missing platoon?

They’re Dead ladies…

 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Gatorubet

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4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

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Really good read Rimbo. I am slightly less ignorant.  Thanks for the find. 

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2 hours ago, Rimbo said:

hearing Joe say it hits differently from reading it

 

 

meanwhile, back to Bakhmut

 

He shouldn't have said it, and I'm sure his detractors are gonna flake out.  So what. Glad he did.

[Rimbo 25911]

11 minutes ago, Parliament said:

He shouldn't have said it, and I'm sure his detractors are gonna flake out.  So what. Glad he did.

I can't think of a reason why he shouldn't have. But then... I have the same problem Joe does with forgetting to filter my speech.

 

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[BamaATL 16593]

9 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

I can't think of a reason why he shouldn't have. But then... I have the same problem Joe does with forgetting to filter my speech.

 

I think he was right to say it, pussy footing around the Russians has landed us here.  Fuck them, quit deferring to niceties and send a message.  Call the bluff and let them know, and perhaps more importantly the Russian people, that they are a third rate country with a fourth rate military and that their threats mean nothing.  The United States doesn't threaten, when we decide to act you will know it.  

[BamaATL 16593]

Unconfirmed, but lets hope

 

[Bevo 13566]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think it's more about personalities/factions within the State Department/DOD/White House who had different views on what could be given to Ukraine, and the F-16 faction ultimately won out (helped by Russian constantly drawing red lines that mean nothing) - this debate has been raging for months now, but it really came to a head with Europe saying "we'll train the pilots and we'll provide the F-16s".  If some of the European countries, particularly the Brits, had not stepped up and started publicly pushing them in recent weeks, I don't know that it happens.

Did a lot of Biden people come from the Obama Administration? I've been a lot happier with the Biden's war efforts as president compared to how things were handled when he was VP. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Obama's people who were holding back supplying offensive weapons. I'm glad that things have finally changed for the better.

[Bevo 13566]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

 

That number is incredibly small. The Netherlands, Holland, Denmark, and Belgium have 125 F16s between them. I assume the problem is that the US cannot supply replacements immediately or those countries cannot afford replacing more.

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4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

That number is incredibly small. The Netherlands, Holland, Denmark, and Belgium have 125 F16s between them. I assume the problem is that the US cannot supply replacements immediately or those countries cannot afford replacing more.

Ukraine was asking for 40-50. Seems to be about that number.

[Pato del Muerto 52485]

Pilot limited?

[Dahobbs 17526]

11 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

That number is incredibly small. The Netherlands, Holland, Denmark, and Belgium have 125 F16s between them. I assume the problem is that the US cannot supply replacements immediately or those countries cannot afford replacing more.

Ukraine only had a few dozen SU-27s before the war. This would be enough to replace every single one of them. They had slightly more mig-29s. 30+ f-16s is pretty damn good. 

[Bevo 13566]

14 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Ukraine was asking for 40-50. Seems to be about that number.

From the twitter above, the spokesman of the Ukrainian Air Force, Yuriy Ignat, says that Ukraine will receive several dozen F-16s.

[Bevo 13566]

Poland has 48 F-16s but probably will only agree to transfer those jets once it receives F-35s and puts them into service in their place.

Greece has a fleet three times as big, 83 of which are currently being upgraded to the latest Block 72 standard. Athens will unlikely prove willing to transfer any so long as it perceives there to be a military threat from Turkey in its region.

Israel has an estimated 362 F-16s. Israel was willing to sell Croatia 12 of its used F-16s for $500 million in the late 2010s, but the U.S. objected to the transfer since Israel has substantially upgraded those jets since acquiring them three decades earlier. Upgrades included sophisticated electronics and radar systems.

Turkey has approximately 270 F-16s. Since October 2021, Turkey has sought 40 new modernized Block 70 F-16s from the U.S. along with 79 modernization kits for keeping its existing fleet operational and up-to-date.  The United States banned Turkey from buying F-35s after it bought an advanced Russian air defense system.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Pilot limited?

I would imagine there would be quite a few non-Ukrainian volunteer former F-16 pilots if more planes were available.