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11 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

You literally said they weren’t even hitting military targets. It’s just dumb.  
 

I think it’s somewhere in the middle. You don’t. That’s fine. We had people here repping a post where someone claimed they couldn’t even hit military targets. Then the ultimate pro Ukrainian account admitted that was false. Makes you wonder. 
 

Just reporting Ukrainian accounts has y’all all mad. It’s silly. 
 

My point is that this thread is largely dependent on the mainstream narrative which has often been discredited over the last few years on a variety of topics.
 

You’re easily whipped up in a frenzy. I was the same the first week or so after the invasion. You could search back and see my posts sharing about the Ghost of Kiev and shit. Then I realized that was bullshit and It made me take a step back and look at things more critically. 
 

I don’t know what’s going to happen in this war. I just know nothing good will come of it. 

My brother in Christ, Reuters reported on the couple of latest rounds of missile breakthroughs and even cited Ukrainian officials. How much more gotdamn mainstream do you want?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/kyiv-mayor-says-explosions-rock-city-air-defence-systems-working-2023-05-29/

I am really sorry that Ukraine doesn’t announce a precise list of everything that gets hit to share it with college football board assholes. They usually announce the few missiles that are not successfully intercepted and most of us with two brain cells to rub together can deduce that they are getting military or infrastructure targets whenever they don’t blow up a hospital or apartment block. 
 

You really give yourself away with your bullshit whinging about “mainstream media.” Only idiots and clowns and the people trying to fool them use that term. My deep suspicion is that you’ve let yourself fall so deeply in love with the smell of your own smart farts that you crawled all the way up in your own butthole. Your nostrils are so full of shit that you can’t smell that these alternative outlets you follow hoping to gain insight are just serving you straight dogshit. You’re whining about getting a hair in your soup from the mainstream while you’re licking a shit-filled ice cream cone down at the disinformation parlor and you’re proud of yourself for seeking out balance. 

 

 

[statsman 5693]

The Williamson article got me to read more about Bucha. It was unspeakably awful. The Russian troops and Chechen troops together were a bad mix, each trying to outdo the other in savagery. They were in a bad mood, already, as the Kyiv offensive was thwarted, and they took it out on the Ukrainian civilians. Frankly, it was akin to actions of the Imperial Japanese army in China (instead of getting their chuckles from forcing civilians to kneel so they could cut their heads off with a sword, they would tie the civilians hands and shoot them in the head for fun).

Edited May 30, 2023 by statsman

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[Orange&White 5573]

I found a picture of young Prigozhin:

[Parliament 14598]

6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Did any of these drones hit their targets?  I presume those targets were military/government targets? 

[BamaATL 16593]

Another possibility

 

[Nivek 17415]

Hit the Lukashenko hospital.  Hit the Kremlin.   Hit that Russia today bitch's house.   Hit the studio.  

 

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12 hours ago, Parliament said:

Just got done using up some pos rep on the last 3 pages of this thread.  You aholes are pretty cool.  Feels like home over here.

 

@Parliament  here's a simple pro tip to stop you from running out of positive rep. 

 

stop fucking POS repping the god damned troll.  you are literally the only positive rep on every single mother fucking one of Mullet's posts the last 24 hours.

every. single. one.   stop feeding the fucking troll man

 

19 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

Really man? Talk about an information bubble.
 

Counterpoint:

 

 

But yeah they shot down 69 of the 65 drones sent.  There’s propaganda everywhere, from all sides. 

 

18 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

At what?

Quoting Ukrainian accounts that directly contradict regarded DT thread narratives? 

 

15 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

You literally said they weren’t even hitting military targets. It’s just dumb.  
 

I think it’s somewhere in the middle. You don’t. That’s fine. We had people here repping a post where someone claimed they couldn’t even hit military targets. Then the ultimate pro Ukrainian account admitted that was false. Makes you wonder. 
 

Just reporting Ukrainian accounts has y’all all mad. It’s silly. 
 

My point is that this thread is largely dependent on the mainstream narrative which has often been discredited over the last few years on a variety of topics.
 

You’re easily whipped up in a frenzy. I was the same the first week or so after the invasion. You could search back and see my posts sharing about the Ghost of Kiev and shit. Then I realized that was bullshit and It made me take a step back and look at things more critically. 
 

I don’t know what’s going to happen in this war. I just know nothing good will come of it. 

 

13 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

Even if Ukraine expels Russia, hundreds of thousands have died. 
 

Imagine in 2023 trusting what the media tells you 

 

I have no sympathy for the Russians.  Im just looking for realistic assessment of what’s going on in a very hostile environment.

 

13 hours ago, Mullet Free said:

As often happens this whole exchange started with me pointing out how one of the main posters on this thread was 100% wrong. That upset people and here we are.  The truth is upsetting to some. 

as for you @Mullet Free  go fuck yourself.   

Who gives a fuck if 4 of 69 Russian missiles managed to hit Kyiv.  You go congratulate yourself on the back for poining out that not all the missiles were shot down (just 94% of them were instead),  They werent aimed at anything "militarily" important.  which was the fucking point of the original post you jumped into yesterday.   They were aimed at civilians, especially housing blocks and hospitals. which is pure fucking terror. 

 

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Mullet won't be posting for a while so lets move on and quit engaging him

[statsman 5693]

Drones hitting civilian housing in Moscow is not good. What’s going on? It could be:

1. Ukrainian tit for tat. 
2. Ukrainian drones meant for military targets going off course

3. Partisans of Ukraine going rogue

4. Russian false flag

Given the distance to Moscow,from Ukraine, and the (crude) drone tech, my guess is #3 or #4. If it’s #3, they need to get those guys under control. 

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4 minutes ago, blacklab said:

Mullet won't be posting for a while so lets move on and quit engaging him

Will reply in the appropriate thread

Edited May 30, 2023 by cactusflinthead

[blacklab 12064]

a week, permanently if he goes off topic/trolls this thread

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2 minutes ago, statsman said:

Drones hitting civilian housing in Moscow is not good. What’s going on? It could be:

1. Ukrainian tit for tat. 
2. Ukrainian drones meant for military targets going off course

3. Partisans of Ukraine going rogue

4. Russian false flag

Given the distance to Moscow,from Ukraine, and the (crude) drone tech, my guess is #3 or #4. If it’s #3, they need to get those guys under control. 

It's certainly not a good look if the Ukrainians suddenly started hitting civilian targets.  I'd understand the impulse, but given that they are dependent on western opinion and aid for this, I don't think they'd do it, at least on purpose.  Putin, on the other hand, has a history attacking his own people to serve his own needs and foster public sentiment.  My guess would be 4, for the purposes of full mobilization would be the most likely scenario.  It's interesting he withdrew from an arm's treaty yesterday, and today this happens.  

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13 hours ago, Parliament said:

Just got done using up some pos rep on the last 3 pages of this thread.  You aholes are pretty cool.  Feels like home over here.

Home like when the wife wants another baby or home when the kids get in trouble at school, the wife is upset about finances, and the HOA is bitching about you needing to cut the lawn?

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1 hour ago, statsman said:

Drones hitting civilian housing in Moscow is not good. What’s going on? It could be:

1. Ukrainian tit for tat. 
2. Ukrainian drones meant for military targets going off course

3. Partisans of Ukraine going rogue

4. Russian false flag

Given the distance to Moscow,from Ukraine, and the (crude) drone tech, my guess is #3 or #4. If it’s #3, they need to get those guys under control. 

Could be air defenses jamming signals - we know the Russians jam GPS and radio signals in certain areas.  Could also be that the Ukrainians assume it’ll be jammed so they put them on a somewhat automated course (fly this direction for this many miles).

The timing is good for Putin - if Bakhmut is stalled completely and even in danger of collapsing in areas, and the counteroffensive has not properly started, he needs fresh meat to throw in to the grinder.

This is what Putin was saying (from CNN)

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The Russian president said the city's air defenses worked normally.

"The Moscow air defense system worked satisfactorily. However, there is still work to be done to make it better," Putin said in brief remarks carried by Russian state media TASS.

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Putin suggested that the drone attacks had been in response to recent Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure.

"The Russian Armed Forces strike exclusively with long-range high-precision weapons and only at military infrastructure facilities. Of course, some portion of these strikes is aimed at the military headquarters as well as headquarters of the Ukrainian military intelligence, which was hit two to three days ago," he said.

 

Because we in the West see all of the results of the Russian strikes, we know better, but many in Russia don’t have such internet or social media access, especially the olds, so they may believe Putin.

Still, this is huge for Muscovites, who may even get in on the mobilization efforts in the coming weeks.

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2 hours ago, statsman said:

Drones hitting civilian housing in Moscow is not good. What’s going on? It could be:

1. Ukrainian tit for tat. 
2. Ukrainian drones meant for military targets going off course

3. Partisans of Ukraine going rogue

4. Russian false flag

Given the distance to Moscow,from Ukraine, and the (crude) drone tech, my guess is #3 or #4. If it’s #3, they need to get those guys under control. 

Why?  The more pain/discomfort for Russia, the better, imo. 

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On 5/29/2023 at 8:41 AM, BamaATL said:

I've read estimates that they can produce 70ish missiles a month, while they still we estimated to have a few hundred previously stockpiled.  This tracks but also doesn't consider that some of these strikes are from the KH family for tactical warheads with ballast installed instead of warheads, which we know they are also using.  

What is remarkable, is even with their dwindling supply and limited ability to produce more, they still don't target military targets.  This is incredibly stupid considering that somewhere the Ukrainians are mashing formations and these could be used to target them in lieu of civilians.  This says a couple of important things, 1 The Russian intel systems must be utter shit, I mean way worse than anyone thought to include satellite surveillance.  The Ukrainian work to hide their movements I"m sure are good, but what it really indicates is just how shitty the Russian abilities are and that they are generations upon generations behind in our satellite technology.  2.  It shows that a politician of a singular mentality is in control and not a seasoned military professional.  Putin knows only one way to try to get his way when things go to shit, and that's terrorism.  A real strategic thinker wouldn't waste resources in this way.  

Lastly, and most importantly, these continued strikes prove the need for the extermination of the existing system of government in Russia.  Patton was an asshole 75 years ago, but it didn't mean he wasn't right, and he still is.  

You're probably right, but there is one legitimate reason they could be doing it. Firing 67 rockets/drones at Kyiv guarantees that UK expends at least 67 of its own air defense missiles. If they were to fire those 67 rockets at a potential military target, UK may not need to defend those positions so thoroughly, particularly if Russian accuracy is lacking. I think that's a terribly bad calculation, but it is nevertheless a possible one.  

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1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

 

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6 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

You're probably right, but there is one legitimate reason they could be doing it. Firing 67 rockets/drones at Kyiv guarantees that UK expends at least 67 of its own air defense missiles. If they were to fire those 67 rockets at a potential military target, UK may not need to defend those positions so thoroughly, particularly if Russian accuracy is lacking. I think that's a terribly bad calculation, but it is nevertheless a possible one.  

I think this hypothesis is the best one -- well, combined with Putin's caveman thinking.

I think there's a good bit of "the German strategy of V-1 and V-2 terror bombing" -- a power that is being denied its primary goals lashing out and using terror as a weapon is definitely in play.  But on a tactical and strategic level, I think there's something to Russia thinking "we have more strike weapons than they have capable AA -- if we force them to deplete their AA, then they'll be left vulnerable to our remaining strike weapons."  I don't think that's a super-smart play....but it at least has some semblance of tactical thinking to it.

[statsman 5693]

Per the WSJ, Ukraine says they didn’t fire the drones (they could be lying and they could be wrong- Ukraine special ops might have sent them on their own, or Russia could be lying). Russia says they’re Ukraine made UJ-22, small turboprops with the necessary range to get to Moscow from Ukraine. 
 
One way to settle it would be to inspect the intercepted drone wreckage. There are probably serial numbers on the engine. Russia is unlikely to cooperate. 
 
Russia’s best chance to win is to convince the west to drop support. There is no benefit from this attack that outweighs the need for Ukraine to stay in the west’s good graces. This needs to be handled. 

Edited May 30, 2023 by statsman

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16 minutes ago, statsman said:

Per the WSJ, Ukraine says they didn’t fire the drones (they could be lying and they could be wrong- Ukraine special ops might have sent them on their own, or Russia could be lying). Russia says they’re Ukraine made UJ-22, small turboprops with the necessary range to get to Moscow from Ukraine. 
 
One way to settle it would be to inspect the intercepted drone wreckage. There are probably serial numbers on the engine. Russia is unlikely to cooperate. 
 
Russia’s best chance to win is to convince the west to drop support. There is no benefit from this attack that outweighs the need for Ukraine to stay in the west’s good graces. This needs to be handled. 

I don't disagree....at least to the extent that these may be aimed at Russian civilian targets.  That said....

Just now, The Dog said:

 

...Ukraine is showing the Russian public how undefended the country truly is.  What air defense doing indeed?  But these should be used to target military targets, logistical points, etc.  Every Russian air base should have burning planes and fuel bunkers, for example.

[SmokeyTheBear 5569]

It's your drones, you use it how you want to. 

[GreenspointTexas 9969]

So the new Doolittle raid, no?

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4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I don't disagree....at least to the extent that these may be aimed at Russian civilian targets.  That said....

...Ukraine is showing the Russian public how undefended the country truly is.  What air defense doing indeed?  But these should be used to target military targets, logistical points, etc.  Every Russian air base should have burning planes and fuel bunkers, for example.

Highly unlikely they were targeting civilians - these fell on civilian areas because Russia shot most of them down. 

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2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 

Are there any windows in South Africa?  Just askin...

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2 hours ago, BamaATL said:

It's certainly not a good look if the Ukrainians suddenly started hitting civilian targets.  I'd understand the impulse, but given that they are dependent on western opinion and aid for this, I don't think they'd do it, at least on purpose.  Putin, on the other hand, has a history attacking his own people to serve his own needs and foster public sentiment.  My guess would be 4, for the purposes of full mobilization would be the most likely scenario.  It's interesting he withdrew from an arm's treaty yesterday, and today this happens.  

Highly doubt any civilian infrastructure was targeted by Ukraine. Those drones look slow af. First, I don't believe those things could make it all the way to Moscow without getting shot down much sooner. Second, they look pretty darn big. If Russian AD is shooting them down, that's still a big hunk of metal falling. Doesn't look like there was an explosion on that apartment building, so I'm guessing that was probably a downed drone. That video of one blowing up in a field shows they have a significant payload. If the drone had hit the apartment building while it was still armed, there'd be a shit load more damage.

[bolverk 30323]

It sounds like Russian countermeasures forced the Ukrainian drones off course.

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Explosions were reported in Moscow early on Tuesday morning, with Russia’s Defense Ministry saying that at least eight drones had targeted the capital city and the surrounding region.

All of the drones were intercepted, the ministry said in a statement, saying that electronic jamming measures forced some to deviate from intended targets and that others had been shot down outside the city limits by air defenses. It did not specify what the targets may have been.

Three residential buildings in Moscow were damaged by drones after they were intercepted, according to the office of the Russian prosecutor general. Some residents were briefly evacuated early Tuesday, said Sergei Sobyanin, the city’s mayor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/30/world/europe/moscow-drone-attack.html

 

 

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39 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Highly unlikely they were targeting civilians - these fell on civilian areas because Russia shot most of them down. 

 

31 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

Highly doubt any civilian infrastructure was targeted by Ukraine. Those drones look slow af. First, I don't believe those things could make it all the way to Moscow without getting shot down much sooner. Second, they look pretty darn big. If Russian AD is shooting them down, that's still a big hunk of metal falling. Doesn't look like there was an explosion on that apartment building, so I'm guessing that was probably a downed drone. That video of one blowing up in a field shows they have a significant payload. If the drone had hit the apartment building while it was still armed, there'd be a shit load more damage.

It has been Ukraine's MOA to not go after civilians and I hope that's the case here.  For one, it lets them keep the high ground, and two, killing civilians doesn't work.

A reply to one of those tweets taked about "volley fire" on Tula and similar military targets. That makes sense to me.  A buncha cheap drones that overwhelm whatever air defense there is, and blows up factories, rail yards, etc.

[bolverk 30323]

Some food for thought on Ukraine's own indigenous capabilities to develop weapons and strike inside Russia without direct assistance.

 

[tx 3 putt 78679]

Putin fired those drones at Moscow 

[Scheiss Meister 8470]

Ukraine should be sending those drones after the Kerch bridge, the Russian Black Sea naval installations, oil refineries and storage depots near Ukraine, and strategic rail and road bridges within 100 miles of the battle area.  Use them for deep strikes needed to shape the battle area.  Psyops have value, but Ukraine needs to do real damage to the army that they are facing more than they need psyops.  In my opinion.

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Just now, Scheiss Meister said:

Ukraine should be sending those drones after the Kerch bridge, the Russian Black Sea naval installations, oil refineries and storage depots near Ukraine, and strategic rail and road bridges within 100 miles of the battle area.  Use them for deep strikes needed to shape the battle area.  Psyops have value, but Ukraine needs to do real damage to the army that they are facing more than they need psyops.  In my opinion.

take out as many refineries as possible. This should have been the plans since day 1 

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I agree, those are slow moving drones and Moscow is a long way off. Why weren’t they picked up on radar sooner and intercepted ? 

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28 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I agree, those are slow moving drones and Moscow is a long way off. Why weren’t they picked up on radar sooner and intercepted ? 

hard for stuff to work when all the parts are sold for vodka.

also:

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by The Dog
WHAT AIRDEFENCE DOING?

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[statsman 5693]

16 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Ukraine should be sending those drones after the Kerch bridge, the Russian Black Sea naval installations, oil refineries and storage depots near Ukraine, and strategic rail and road bridges within 100 miles of the battle area.  Use them for deep strikes needed to shape the battle area.  Psyops have value, but Ukraine needs to do real damage to the army that they are facing more than they need psyops.  In my opinion.

I suspect that, per the Williamson article, Ukraine’s defense has a couple of branches (regular army, special ops) that are relatively independent. Zelensky can deny that Ukraine had anything to do with it, and he can be truthful, as far as he knows. He’s just not “read into” every operation. 
 
Also, even though civilian housing was hit, I don’t know that it was targeted. I notice that a Ukrainian civilian was killed last night by falling debris in Kyiv, and no Russians died in Moscow. 

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14 minutes ago, statsman said:

Also, even though civilian housing was hit, I don’t know that it was targeted. I notice that a Ukrainian civilian was killed last night by falling debris in Kyiv, and no Russians died in Moscow. 

it wasn't the stupid Russians hit it with their own anti-aircraft missile (see my edited post above)

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31 minutes ago, The Dog said:

hard for stuff to work when all the parts are sold for vodka.

also:

 

How can you tell what hit the other side of the building? I don't see how this video, by itself, shows anything. Seems to me that it could easily have been a drone that the building and not a missile. But maybe I'm missing something. 

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the drones were launched with full expectation they’d be intercepted. knockin’ on putin’s door was the intention here, mission accomplished. penetrating deep into russia surely sows seeds of doubt and questions of wtf?! internally. so it’s a very bad look for the iron-fisted idiot but it’s also clear that a harder, more hateful fucking is coming. not a good time to be in the kremlin.

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