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46 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

You guys take it to the classic military blunders thread. 

Moscovia delendum est! 
 

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1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

That's a thought as well, or you just fake it.  Either way could cause mass panic and chaos.  

A year ago, Russian comms failed. This time, my hope is that Ukraine does fake Comms on the Russian system- misinformation, redirection, conflicting with true reports. Basically, make every Russian unit feel like it’s a chicken with its head cut off. 

Edited June 5, 2023 by statsman

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36 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I'm here for the dead Russian tank porn.  

Might get some live Leopards

 

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They captured a Lt. Colonel, LOL.  But it makes you wonder how they got to the HQ of a brigade.

 

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We had discussion a while back about Russia’s missile production. I recently read an article about them hitting Ukrainian cities with S-300s. That confused me, as I thought the S-300 was a SAM. I checked, and, … it is. 
 
Russia using AD missiles as offensive weapons doesn’t seem like a sign of robust missile production. The contrary, actually. 

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1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Might get some live Leopards

 

When it gets dark, every Scooby van becomes a Leopard. Hell, that generator cranking up is a Leopard.

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Ukraine could trick the Russians into attacking themselves. So then we'd have Russians fighting Russians while being attacked by other Russians. 

Meanwhile Ukraine:

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5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Might get some live Leopards

 

And we appreciate them confirming the weak points. 

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They captured a Lt. Colonel, LOL.  But it makes you wonder how they got to the HQ of a brigade.

 

I'm getting a Pancho Villa vibe from these various Russian factions.

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^Looks like they bowed down to the Saudis who were complaining a month or two ago that they were overproduicing

 

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4 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

When it gets dark, every Scooby van becomes a Leopard. Hell, that generator cranking up is a Leopard.

My dad used to laugh and recount how every German tank an infantryman saw was a Tiger.  They weren’t. 

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3 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^Looks like they bowed down to the Saudis who were complaining a month or two ago that they were overproduicing

 

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11 minutes ago, statsman said:

We had discussion a while back about Russia’s missile production. I recently read an article about them hitting Ukrainian cities with S-300s. That confused me, as I thought the S-300 was a SAM. I checked, and, … it is. 
 
Russia using AD missiles as offensive weapons doesn’t seem like a sign of robust missile production. The contrary, actually. 

During WW II, the German 88 mm gun was originally an anti aircraft weapon.  It was then found to be a fantastic indirect fire artillery piece and the best anti tank gun of the war.  But you are correct, here.  Russia may find that they need air defense more than they need destroyed apartments in Kiev or Kharkiv.

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8 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I'm getting a Pancho Villa vibe from these various Russian factions.

The MOD just let them go so wrong, out of kindness, I suppose. 

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13 minutes ago, statsman said:

We had discussion a while back about Russia’s missile production. I recently read an article about them hitting Ukrainian cities with S-300s. That confused me, as I thought the S-300 was a SAM. I checked, and, … it is. 
 
Russia using AD missiles as offensive weapons doesn’t seem like a sign of robust missile production. The contrary, actually. 

They're also difficult for air defenses to intercept. The issue is they're not very accurate on ground based targets. But if the intent is to sow general fear and unrest, and you don't care all that much about what target is actually hit, they're an expensive partial solution to the problem of Ukraine air defenses. It's a horrible use of them, though. As you're alluding, it's certainly a sign of weakness in capabilities. 

But yes, there's also issues with any kind of ammo production keeping up with consumption on both sides. Plenty of posts on this thread citing Russian serial numbers of missiles used indicating they're fresh off the production lines. Basically as soon as they're produced they're rushed off to the battlefield and used pretty much immediately.

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21 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They captured a Lt. Colonel, LOL.  But it makes you wonder how they got to the HQ of a brigade.

 

I think you misread the post. Wagner captured their Lt. Colonel, not the other way around. 

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14 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^Looks like they bowed down to the Saudis who were complaining a month or two ago that they were overproduicing

 

I don’t know, I maybe don’t have to be part of Russia anymore AND I get dumplings? Win-win scenario. 

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12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I think you misread the post. Wagner captured their Lt. Colonel, not the other way around. 

This was the Russian Lt. Colonel that Wagner captured and tortured, that I mentioned yesterday: (the assumption is that the Liberty of Russia Legion or whatever is now trying to act as a go-between between Wagner and the Russian Army or they want the Lt. Colonel for their own bargaining). I thought Wagner got another one from a different brigade, but this is the same Lt. Col/same brigade.

As I said, I can't see how they were able to get into a Russian HQ area - from what I've read, Wagner and the regular Russian Army have been....not friendly and butting heads, and the idea that Russian mercs could kidnap a Russian Lt. Colonel and torture him is fucking insane and a breakdown in Russian command and control.

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PMC Wagner detained and interrogated no other but the commander of the 72nd Brigade, Roman Venevitin. Wagner and the 72nd Brigade shared positions in Bakhmut. They detained the man, beat him, broke his nose, and forced to record a video admitting to firing at a car of PMC Wagner due to "personal animosity" towards them. They accuse him of being drunk while doing so, speaking to him as if he is a subordinate. This is a complete demoralisation of the Russian Armed Forces who should not be any close to tolerating such behaviour of a PMC.

 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2023 by atomheartbevo

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15 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^Looks like they bowed down to the Saudis who were complaining a month or two ago that they were overproducing

The history of OPEC is replete with members producing far beyond their quota. Now you have someone who has to ship their oil through undocumented means to avoid sanctions. It's still important that Russia makes this announcement as opposed to just telling the Saudis to fuck off. There is some small market signal value, at least in the short term. But it's laughable to think Russia is going to abide by this. The Saudis know this, too. They weren't born yesterday. 

The thing is, if the Saudis want to really fuck over Russia they can simply turn on the spigots and send the price of oil crashing, so there are consequences to poor behavior. I just don't know if Russia is in a position to be all that considerate of their future self. They need every bit of currency they can bring in right now. And it's not likely the Saudis are going to send the price of oil crashing except as some kind of last resort.

Bottom line is I don't believe this for one second except in the sense of being diplomatic. 

What the Saudis really need to crack down on to whatever extent they can - which seems to me very little - is the reselling of Russian oil by places like India for profit taking. I don't think it's realistic for anyone to stop countries from buying cheap Russian crude for their own consumption, especially when it's all done under the table. But when it's laundered and then resold into the market, it basically sends a signal to Russia to keep pumping out as much as possible, because someone is going to buy it, even at tremendously discounted prices. 

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In theory, the idea that Russian mercs could kidnap and torture a Russian Lt. Colonel is the kind of thing that should cause the Russian Army to fucking lay waste to Wagner. I still cannot believe this is being tolerated and that Prigozhin is still alive after this.  This is how Putin loses the support of the Russian military.

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33 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I'm getting a Pancho Villa vibe from these various Russian factions.

And all the federales say
They could have had him any day
They only let him hang around
Out of kindness, I suppose

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1 minute ago, SL Xpress said:

And all the federales say
They could have had him any day
They only let him hang around
Out of kindness, I suppose

If I close my eyes I can hear Joe Vega singing this at Bling Pig.

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3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

In theory, the idea that Russian mercs could kidnap and torture a Russian Lt. Colonel is the kind of thing that should cause the Russian Army to fucking lay waste to Wagner. I still cannot believe this is being tolerated and that Prigozhin is still alive after this.  This is how Putin loses the support of the Russian military.

Well, so far the guy is made of teflon. 

All the videos making a direct appeal to Putin to change their circumstances, whether it's military members, Wagner, mobilization units, people in the DPR, villagers asking about their husbands or promised pensions/compensation - they baffle me. 

None of this is his fault. It's the fault of incompetent subordinates. If only Putin can learn of this, he'll fix it. 

It's a cultural thing. It's also why whatever replaces Putin will also be Putin-nesque, just like the czars, just like the head of the Politburo. These fuckheads are hopeless.

It's also why this war is so important. Ukraine finally has a chance to get away from this culture of retardedness. They're paying a steep price for it, but my gosh. You have centuries of being dominated by these freakazoids, and now you finally have a chance to break free once and for all, how much of a price is that worth paying?

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I want to believe.

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13 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I want to believe.

So, part of the reason I have sincere doubt about a lot of these videos (and the intercepted phone calls we've heard) is how matter of fact all of them are delivered. There doesn't appear to by any real emotion or anything in them. Be great of some of them were real, but I think a heavy dose of skepticism is in order. 

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6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

So, part of the reason I have sincere doubt about a lot of these videos (and the intercepted phone calls we've heard) is how matter of fact all of them are delivered. There doesn't appear to by any real emotion or anything in them. Be great of some of them were real, but I think a heavy dose of skepticism is in order. 

Yup.  It just feels like a lot of disinformation - more than usual say - is being slung about.  I get why it's happening, but my bullshit antennas are really perking up right now. 

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2 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Yup.  It just feels like a lot of disinformation - more than usual say - is being slung about.  I get why it's happening, but my bullshit antennas are really perking up right now. 

This.  I'm thinking that most things we hear/read for the next 30 days should be ingested with a much-larger-than-usual dose of skepticism salt.  There's lots of reasons for stepped up disinfo by both sides in this phase, so wait-and-see is the best approach.....which sucks for us impatient bastards.

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Somebody's been watching Batman Begins.

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1 hour ago, SL Xpress said:

And all the federales say
They could have had him any day
They only let him hang around
Out of kindness, I suppose

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6 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Am I to glean from this post that putin is now doing his own research?

There's this great YouTube channel he recommends that everyone should be watching for the REAL truth

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27 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  I'm thinking that most things we hear/read for the next 30 days should be ingested with a much-larger-than-usual dose of skepticism salt.  There's lots of reasons for stepped up disinfo by both sides in this phase, so wait-and-see is the best approach.....which sucks for us impatient bastards.

Fuck that. I’m drinking up all the koolaid. We’re squarely in the SHOW ME A LOSS zone, embrace it.

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4 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

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26 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Fuck that. I’m drinking up all the koolaid. We’re squarely in the SHOW ME A LOSS zone, embrace it.

And I'm digging the idea that the Russians are going to lose their footprint in Moldova very soon.

Edited June 5, 2023 by atomheartbevo

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Can we start calling putin "El Guaposki" yet?

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On a side note, I got sucked into Greatest Events of WWII in Color on Netflix last night, was watching the Battle of Midway episode, and low and behold, there's Phillips Payson O'Brien doing commentary, did not realize it was the same guy who has written a lot about Russia.

Ukraine is pumping out a lot of info about movements

 

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Many people have a fair question: what exactly is happening in the #Belgorod oblast now? It's simple. A classic boomerang. In fact, today it is... "disputed territories", a "gray zone", for which there is a confrontation between #Putin's army and the Russian Volunteer Corps – active Russian citizens who do not agree with #Moscow's genocidal policy and enjoy the support of the local population. That is, the battle of the Russian Goliath and the Russian David. #Ukraine is not involved in this conflict. We are watching the course of hostilities and once again call on the Moscow regime to cease fire in the Belgorod oblast, immediately sit down at the negotiating table with the #RVC, and stop the senseless bloodshed. Otherwise, the number of "disputed territories" will grow rapidly...

 

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3 hours ago, pantone159 said:

 I don't count becoming a Queen as being massacred.

You've clearly never been to Mauritania. 

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I was watching the news on Sunday morning and there are still politicians running for president who want to trade land for peace. That is going to look like a crappy position to have taken next month. I'm surprised that they haven't all already pivoted. I guess they are thinking that if Russia is in turmoil that they can say that if a deal was made then there wouldn't be chaos and the possibility of nuclear weapons getting in the hands of terrorists.

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7 minutes ago, texasdago said:

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Defender Serhii rescued Bim the dog on the frontlines when Bim was just a puppy. They quickly became friends and went through some of the hottest spots together. Then Serhii was heavily wounded and was evacuated to a hospital. Bim missed him on the frontlines and refused to eat. Serhii kept asking for Bim, too. Volunteers and a village mayor arranged for the two of them to meet by the hospital.

 

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This is roughly the prevailing current mood among Russian "bloggers" and "war correspondents": "I’m sitting in f**king shock, the situation in the country is fucked up, they’re only destabilizing it further, the situation in Belgorod region is getting worse, the Ministry of Defense almost entered into an open confrontation with Wagner, Wagner had a confrontation with Akhmat [Kadyrov's forces], they don’t let us work at full strength on the waiting lists, drones fly over Moscow, they fly into Krasnodar, systematically visit Crimea, everyone fights with each other, even Telegram channels. How are we going to win like that? Nothing distinguishes Russia from other countries as much as competition and hostility of various structures to each other. The problem is deeper and deeper; people argue with each other in grocery shops, military argue in their locations, there is arguing between the types of military forces, arguing between structures, everyone f**king argues"

 

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1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

So, part of the reason I have sincere doubt about a lot of these videos (and the intercepted phone calls we've heard) is how matter of fact all of them are delivered. There doesn't appear to by any real emotion or anything in them. Be great of some of them were real, but I think a heavy dose of skepticism is in order. 

I spent five years in Kazakhstan. That lack of emotion is very Russian in nature.