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2 hours ago, AUS-97HORN said:

its too fucking bad Russia doesnt have a Third Amendment.

 

advantage:

Quoted for more Merica!

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More air defense resources for Ukraine announced at Rammstein. They talked about jets, too….but I think that those announcements will be withheld until the training has an end in sight. 
 

 

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4 hours ago, MissingInAction said:

It's worth mentioning the confidence being instilled by the Bradley's in action.

The soldiers know they are safe inside them no matter what the orcs throw at them. That's fucking huge from a morale standpoint. 

I'd like to come back to this thought, not just to jerk myself off, but to expound.

The effectiveness of any organization is the belief that all you have to do is complete your own mission, and the confidence that everyone else is doing the same. From a functioning printer to an IFV that protects its occupants.

Ukraine will win!

Slava Ukraine!

Edited June 15, 2023 by MissingInAction

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6 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I'd like to come back to this thought, not just to jerk myself off, but to expound.

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oh hi there, my lovely future ex wife

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

So now, with the benefit of hindsight, what positive impact has “tiering” our support for UKR had?

Either we decide to support them fully or we don’t, but refusing their request only to fulfill them later serves no purpose IMO.

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200 Merkava will definitely have an impact on the battlefield.

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13 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

So now, with the benefit of hindsight, what positive impact has “tiering” our support for UKR had?

Either we decide to support them fully or we don’t, but refusing their request only to fulfill them later serves no purpose IMO.

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14 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

So now, with the benefit of hindsight, what positive impact has “tiering” our support for UKR had?

Either we decide to support them fully or we don’t, but refusing their request only to fulfill them later serves no purpose IMO.

I disagree.

 

You always run the risk of escalating this conflict to a catastrophic degree.

The 'take a step forward and wait', take a step forward and wait', take a step forward and wait' seems to be working and we haven't seen nuclear weapons being used yet or a kinetic war break out in another part of Europe.

Edited June 15, 2023 by Dnaguy

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^Questionable

 

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15 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

That will make folks want to invest in Russia post-war!  Good economic strategy long-term. 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Gatorubet

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1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

That will make folks want to invest in Russia post-war!  Good economic strategy long-term. 

Gotta oligarch while the oligarching is good.  I'm not sure he's worried about much more than a few years down the road.  They'll blow up that bridge when they get to it.

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4 minutes ago, locodos said:

Gotta oligarch while the oligarching is good.  I'm not sure he's worried about much more than a few years down the road.  They'll blow up that bridge when they get to it.

Yup.  Given how much $$ oligarchs have lost in wealth because of the special military operation, and given the “voluntary” recent tax on their profits to bail him out of war expenses eating up the budget, he has to throw the oligarchs a few bones to keep them less unhappy.  

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12 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

Seems like the videos I've watched, where the BMPs have really gone boom, they're hitting them in the back doors or right under the turret.  If I remember correctly, their spare gas tanks are in the back door, right?  Perhaps they've loaded these up with some sort of armor piercing/directional charge.  Either way, you wouldn't think a small flying drone would be capable of doing this kind of damage.

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50 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

The Merkava is a unique tank.  Does it offer unique advantages in Ukraine? Does it have weaknesses that hafta be accounted for?  Does it use NATO ammo?

Edited June 15, 2023 by Parliament

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8 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Seems like the videos I've watched, where the BMPs have really gone boom, they're hitting them in the back doors or right under the turret.  If I remember correctly, their spare gas tanks are in the back door, right?  Perhaps they've loaded these up with some sort of armor piercing/directional charge.  Either way, you wouldn't think a small flying drone would be capable of doing this kind of damage.

Could've been an ammo explosion, too. I'm with you, though. Whenever I see explosions that big on these videos, I assume it hit fuel or ammo. Even with artillery strikes, there's a big difference when the target of opportunity has ordnance or fuel supplies. You see it. 

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46 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

I disagree.

 

You always run the risk of escalating this conflict to a catastrophic degree.

The 'take a step forward and wait', take a step forward and wait', take a step forward and wait' seems to be working and we haven't seen nuclear weapons being used yet or a kinetic war break out in another part of Europe.

What have been the catastrophic consequences of offering additional support (that has previously been withheld due to fear of escalation)?

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3 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

 

If I was an aid worker I'd be marked up like a motherfucker. A huge red cross makes a nice target but it's hard to explain targeting.

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Really can’t recommend this interview about the roots and ongoing reasons for India’s reliance on Russia.  This is a big one that I expect to change—slowly— as a result of inefficiencies and sanctions and domestic demand associated with Russia’s defense industry. 
 

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/15/more-sentimental-than-pragmatic

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If India were not dependent for 70 percent of its military on Russia, if [that number were only] 30 percent, it would be different. I’ll give you an example. Three years ago, in 2020, remember when China and India had a clash at the border, the first thing the Indian defense minister did was to go to Moscow because he wanted to make sure that the Russians would provide spare parts. Now today, the problem is that Russia may not be able to supply all those spare parts, and Russia will not be able to supply the equipment. If India had started a decade ago or even five years ago to move away [from Russian supplies], it would have been better. But India’s current position is: if you’re so dependent on somebody, you cannot stand up and say something. It creates a problem [with] India’s policy of strategic autonomy, which means that India should be able to disagree with somebody [on one issue] and agree [on another]. Right now, India isn’t able to disagree with Russia simply because 70 percent of India’s military equipment is Russian-made.

 

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That will make folks want to invest in Russia post-war!  Good economic strategy long-term. 

This is among the many utter poison pills that Putin has shoved down Russia’s throat.

For at least the next generation, if you were involved in risk management for a multinational, would you advice ANY material investment in Russia? They’ve made it plain that their very nature is that of a massive kleptocracy.
For that matter, would you advise doing business with a Russian firm for ANYTHING that you really need, and can’t do without? Russia will use your neediness as a weapon later. They are not and never will be a trading partner you can trust even 1%.
Fuck em. Let em sell potatoes and oil to China, at a marked down price.

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27 minutes ago, Parliament said:

The Merkava is a unique tank.  Does it offer unique advantages in Ukraine? Does it have weaknesses that hafta be accounted for?  Does it use NATO ammo?

Merkava II has a 105mm gun. The Merkava III has a 120mm gun. Both of them use standard NATO ammunition.

The overall design philosophy of the Merkava was to make it easily able to be repaired under battlefield conditions. The turret is placed towards the rear of the tank, with the engine forward, to help protect the crew from shots to the front. 

One of the interesting things about the Merkava I and II (the tweet only mentions Merkava II and III being sent) is that the Israelis used it as an IFV when the M113 APC was performing horribly. They took out the ammunition pallets in the rear, and allegedly it could fit 10 people. This was possible because of the clamshell entry/exit doors to the rear. 

The best tank for Ukraine are any Leopard 2s they can get ahold of, especially the 2A4 and 2A6 variants. But those are limited. They're getting the 31 Abrams in a few months. I'd say beyond those two, the Merkava will be the best tanks in their service. Frankly, the Merkava III is a really good tank. Especially the later versions. It adds another supply chain in terms of repairs, but a tank is a tank. Especially ones that can fire NATO 105mm and 120mm ammo. You listen to the people fighting in the front lines, and that's the message they keep repeating, "more tanks."

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15 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

When did the economist become clickbait trash?

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58 minutes ago, RPM said:

If I was an aid worker I'd be marked up like a motherfucker. A huge red cross makes a nice target but it's hard to explain targeting.

They don’t care. They’ll lie. They’ll say the aid workers were actually soldiers, planting mines, and trolls across social media will parrot the claim as fact. 
 
Russia shot down a 777 and never had a single repercussion. 

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^Baracuda!

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A red cross makes them even more likely to target you. 

 

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13 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^Baracuda!

 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Rimbo
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1 hour ago, RPM said:

If I was an aid worker I'd be marked up like a motherfucker. A huge red cross makes a nice target but it's hard to explain targeting.

Maybe. I've noticed Ukrainian field ambulances don't have markings on them any more because Russian military was specifically targeting them. 

You say it's hard to explain targeting. It's hard to explain a lot of things, but they do them anyway. You just have to know if you're going to help people in a war zone where Russia is involved, there's a good chance they're going to try to kill you. Not accidentally. Purposefully. 

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24 minutes ago, statsman said:

They don’t care. They’ll lie. They’ll say the aid workers were actually soldiers, planting mines, and trolls across social media will parrot the claim as fact. 
 
Russia shot down a 777 and never had a single repercussion. 

I mean, they just blew up a major dam. They stole or destroyed every flotation device and then fired upon people trying to evacuate after news of the dam's destruction got around. They fired on evacuation centers. 

Honestly, if you're showing compassion towards others and trying to help the less fortunate, you're a bane to their existence and must die. 

This is a culture sick at its very core. It's not new. This is business as usual. 

 

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27 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^Baracuda!

Those Swede IFVs will fuck up some BMPs with that 40 mm cannon and sabot rounds.   Might fuck up some T-62 and 64s as well. 

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Nv.

Edited June 15, 2023 by MissingInAction
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13 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Those Swede IFVs will fuck up some BMPs with that 40 mm cannon and sabot rounds.   Might fuck up some T-62 and 64s as well. 

[Brisketexan 107028]

They don’t care. They’ll lie. They’ll say the aid workers were actually soldiers, planting mines, and trolls across social media will parrot the claim as fact. 
 
Russia shot down a 777 and never had a single repercussion. 

Well…they killed a bunch of Dutch citizens. I’d just suggest that the repercussions are delayed. The Netherlands likely very much wanted to promptly launch retaliatory strikes with F-18s. Now, not many years later…the Dutch are at the front of the pack training Ukrainians to…use F-16s and F-18s (from Australia) to kill Russians.
Don’t fuck with the Dutch. They remember.

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1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

 

noodle defense

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Russian state TV talking about Lukashenko's successor.  He must be dying/dead.

This will please @Brisketexan and others (me included) - Western nations need to start keeping an eye on Russian citizens living abroad. Yes, plenty fled trying to avoid mobilization, but plenty did not, and were either there because of wealth/wealthy parents, or are there fucking around and spying.

 

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Prigozhin is fucking with Shoigu again....

Russia can't stop being Russia, and threatening other countries.

 

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These Ukrainians look...kinda like Western soldiers...well equipped/fit.  Interesting at what arms are being used on the front lines.

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Russian state TV talking about Lukashenko's successor.  He must be dying/dead.
[/url] This will please [mention=593]Brisketexan[/mention] and others (me included) - Western nations need to start keeping an eye on Russian citizens living abroad. Yes, plenty fled trying to avoid mobilization, but plenty did not, and were either there because of wealth/wealthy parents, or are there fucking around and spying.
 

Fuck yes it pleases me. If you are an actual Russian (holding a Russian passport and citizenship, as opposed to an ethnic Russian who is a citizen of another country) you should be under brutal scrutiny in a foreign country.
That’s just common fucking sense - and no, it doesn’t mean Korematsu at all. Again, actual Russian nationals, not everyone named Ivan or Boris.