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[Bevo 13525]

59 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

It absolutely benefits us the longer the war goes on.

We are watching one of our enemies implode before our very eyes. The entire world, especially Gyna, is witnessing our decades old equipment wiping the map with russian blood.

This conflict has and still is setting the tone for the next 50 years of global stability and power.

When it's all over the US will be sitting at the top once again. Like we ever left, but there won't be any questions about who is king cock of the block.

Yeah, right. Peace for 50 years. What planet do you live on?

[Bevo 13525]

31 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

Compare that to how Obama handled the annexation of Crimea and the installation of thugs in Donbas (no Cloak Room - he was under a mandate to get us out of conflicts - not get us into new ones) or Trump’s narrative around the conflict specifically and NATO in general. 

Obama’s mandate was his own making Afghanistan not Iraq was his message during the campaign. His mandate was never to get us out of all conflicts. 

[MissingInAction 24811]

7 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Yeah, right. Peace for 50 years. What planet do you live on?

Lolwut

 

[Bevo 13525]

4 hours ago, Rimbo said:

 

 

Just to correct a big mistake in that tweet: In Belarus, Hungary, Russia, and Ukraine an odd number of flowers are presented to living people and an even number of flowers are brought to commemorate people who passed away. 

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43 minutes ago, butthurt said:

Warning orcs get blowed up.

And by the way, I don't think that term has ever been more accurate in this thread than that post.  His hang-time wasn't that impressive but he was blown up(ward).

Edited June 30, 2023 by atomheartbevo

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2 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Biden seems to be still, more or less, on the "help but don't help too much because nukes are scary."

I get it. Imagine a guy like Prigozhin with nukes.  Lest we forget, he still thought he could win Ukraine if he was in charge.

I don't necessarily agree with it, but I get that a guy like Prigozhin with nukes could be as bad as Putin.

[Bevo 13525]

16 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Lolwut

 

I’m at sea so it isn’t easy to read. Sorry if I misinterpreted what you were saying. After this war any power shift will be temporary. No one and everyone wants a single super power. It invites mistrust and will never create stability, no matter how benevolent that super power’s motives. 
 

The better outcome is the strengthening of NATO. That should help with Europe and Africa. OTOH, NATO will weaken again when China or Iraq come to the forefront. There will always be ebbs and flows in power so don’t expect things to be any better, safer, or different than they have been. The only constant in civilization is that human nature runs counter to civility.

[Ten Bears 2479]

1 hour ago, butthurt said:

 

Warning orcs get blowed up.

What were all those secondary explosions?

[MillerEP 30339]

Grenades, if you watch at 0:48-0:51, you'll see Ukrainian troops are actually there throwing them.

 

[Brisketexan 104559]

4 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Grenades, if you watch at 0:48-0:51, you'll see Ukrainian troops are actually there throwing them.

 

You know what really bothers me about these videos of Russians getting blown all to hell?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a single goddamned thing.

 

Wait, check that -- what bothers me is that there aren't nearly enough of these videos.

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4 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Grenades, if you watch at 0:48-0:51, you'll see Ukrainian troops are actually there throwing them.

I've been fishing before and doing quite well at some spot I found along a bank and then a boatload of assholes comes up and either runs the fish off or wants to fish there even though they have the rest of the river/lake to fish from, so I can sympathize.

[butthurt 1520]

9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You know what really bothers me about these videos of Russians getting blown all to hell?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not a single goddamned thing.

 

Wait, check that -- what bothers me is that there aren't nearly enough of these videos.

Here you go

 

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1725]

8 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

So? What does that have to do with his terrible ties? Most gay guys I know are pretty fashion conscious, as well. Not looking like they raided the closet of someone who died in the 80s.

 

And some dress like a bow-tied Captain Kangaroo on acid. Regardless, your allyship has been noted. Seriously though, I think Zeihan is extremely competent and I celebrate the man's entire catalogue in spite of his terrible hair and questionable sartorial styling.

Edited June 30, 2023 by MagicSoccerSpray

[BrickHorn 18186]

2 hours ago, Bevo said:

I’m at sea so it isn’t easy to read.

 

Why? Because of the eye patch? Or is it hard to flip pages with a hook for a hand?

[dimyh 1874]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

I've been fishing before and doing quite well at some spot I found along a bank and then a boatload of assholes comes up and either runs the fish off or wants to fish there even though they have the rest of the river/lake to fish from, so I can sympathize.

Maybe they were just fishing...with grenades. Same as my grandad in WW2. He was in Burma working as an ambulance driver, mainly because he could fix things if it broke down. Don't think he saw much action but apparently he did show some valor at one of the fishing ponds. Typical grabass GIs decided to start chucking some grenades in there to see if they could catch any fish but he was too close and caught a little bit of shrapnel. Nothing serious but his CO liked him and wrote him up for a purple heart anyways. So that's my grandad's CSB.

[Bevo 13525]

14 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

 

Why? Because of the eye patch? Or is it hard to flip pages with a hook for a hand?

Both were a problem but since an unfortunate accident in the restroom, it’s just the eye patch. I don’t really need it. It just makes me look a little debonair, especially when I wear a long jacket.

 

- and the waves - and needing to see at a distance - so no reading glasses - and glare from the sun and water. It is a little easier now because we are moored for the night.

[safe sex 11678]

9 hours ago, Captainant said:

[nerd]In old Star Wars paperbacks, they called these sorts of hacked-together-from-scrap things "uglies"[/nerd] I think it's still pretty apropos 

Yooooo, I, Jedi, is such a great story.

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[Gatorubet 30083]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And by the way, I don't think that term has ever been more accurate in this thread than that post.  His hang-time wasn't that impressive but he was blown up(ward).

Everyone has a nickname as a child. It’s just nice that little “Tank Turret” met his end in a way that made his loved ones smile.

[PTINS 3442]

5 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

That dude fucking ragdolled through the air.

[Disco Strangler 1865]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Skeptical.  Who builds (or can build) shit this fast?   
Motivated builders / excavators in our USA don’t get shit like this done in less than a week, but these chuckleheads are working round the clock to get er dun?

 

[Rimbo 25773]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

Everyone has a nickname as a child. It’s just nice that little “Tank Turret” met his end in a way that made his loved ones smile.

[Telegraph_it 3354]

3 hours ago, MillerEP said:

 

Maybe the APU caught on fire. Or the captain is retiring in Russia. 

[Ten Bears 2479]

4 hours ago, MillerEP said:

Grenades, if you watch at 0:48-0:51, you'll see Ukrainian troops are actually there throwing them.

 

OK I see that now. So now to the orc that had a great vault but failed to stick landing... I think he was already dead before launch but question is what blew him 30 ft in the air?  Had to be something a little stronger than a grenade right?

 

Of all the crazy footage that one ranks up there. 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Ten Bears

[Ten Bears 2479]

4 hours ago, butthurt said:

Here you goztch

 

That was a little harder to watch than most Russian soldier death porn.

 

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by Ten Bears

[Brisketexan 104559]

That was a little harder to watch than most Russian soldier death porn.

Nahh. Gimme more.

[Podrick's Magic Cock 191]

12 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

That was a little harder to watch than most Russian soldier death porn.

[Kel Varnsen 8430]

I'm torn. On one hand I do enjoy seeing invaders being blown to bits, but on the other I still feel sad for humanity. I have to think not all of the men getting wasted want to be there but have the only choice to either be shot from the front or from the back. 

[Brisketexan 104559]

I'm torn. On one hand I do enjoy seeing invaders being blown to bits, but on the other I still feel sad for humanity. I have to think not all of the men getting wasted want to be there but have the only choice to either be shot from the front or from the back. 

Meh. They and their families cheer it on. They want to exterminate Ukraine and Ukrainians. Seriously, the support for the goal of the war is solid in Russia.

They’re just getting what’s coming to them.

[Gengs1 2583]

6 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I'm torn. On one hand I do enjoy seeing invaders being blown to bits, but on the other I still feel sad for humanity. I have to think not all of the men getting wasted want to be there but have the only choice to either be shot from the front or from the back. 

[atomheartbevo 89409]

1 hour ago, Disco Strangler said:

Skeptical.  Who builds (or can build) shit this fast?   
Motivated builders / excavators in our USA don’t get shit like this done in less than a week, but these chuckleheads are working round the clock to get er dun?

 If it's a tent (think canvas) city or containers or prefabs, it can be done fast - US military does it all the time.

But then again, that's the US military and the logistics folks are fucking wizards.  I'm surprised that the Belarusians can scrounge together such infrastructure, I figure it would have all been shipped to Russia.

[atomheartbevo 89409]

56 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

That was a little harder to watch than most Russian soldier death porn.

40 minutes ago, Kel Varnsen said:

I'm torn. On one hand I do enjoy seeing invaders being blown to bits, but on the other I still feel sad for humanity. I have to think not all of the men getting wasted want to be there but have the only choice to either be shot from the front or from the back. 

It's clear the dude was in agony, and there is nothing pleasant about that, but they are invaders and they have the option to turn their weapons on their commanders and/or figure out how to surrender.

I will say it's fucking crazy that this thread (and the various subreddits and other forums) has access to more death and destruction than LiveLeak and Ogrish had at their peaks, and unlike LiveLeak and Ogrish, a lot of the stuff we are watching is in HD. 

It's desensitizing the shit out of a lot of us, for better or for worse.  On the flip side - I think a lot of people should see the death and destruction that the Russians have brought to Ukraine, and be forced to at the very least acknowledge it, or at the worst defend it if they don't support Ukraine.  I'm not talking about some kind of Clockwork Orange "eyes forced wide open" kind of thing, mind you.

[bolverk 29397]

1 hour ago, Ten Bears said:

OK I see that now. So now to the orc that had a great vault but failed to stick landing... I think he was already dead before launch but question is what blew him 30 ft in the air?  Had to be something a little stronger than a grenade right?

 

Of all the crazy footage that one ranks up there. 

 

My best guess is that it was some sort of underwater mine. Remember how there were warnings that a bunch of them were getting sloshed around with the flooding a couple of weeks ago? That area he was trying to take cover in looks like a spot where a washed-up mine could have settled, especially given the flow of the river which you can detect by seeing their boat start to float away once they'd bailed.

Edit: And you can easily tell that area had been flooded because of the upside down, aquamarine pontoon boat on shore and the smaller brush pushed over.

Edited July 1, 2023 by bolverk

[troph 24562]

7 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

Well, I’ve always had issues with how Democratic administrations tend to prosecute war ever since the end of WWII. 

Having said that, Biden’s administration has been Bush-like in the way elder Bush rallied the world to kick Iraq out of Kuwait. They’re not analogous except for how Biden has helped galvanize support. I’ve been impressed. Compare that to how Obama handled the annexation of Crimea and the installation of thugs in Donbas (no Cloak Room - he was under a mandate to get us out of conflicts - not get us into new ones) or Trump’s narrative around the conflict specifically and NATO in general. 

Its okay to be disappointed until you compare the Biden administration to any other. This has been the most active administration in supporting Ukraine we could hope for, and I for one choose to remain grateful regardless of any differences I have. 

Not to say I think you’re wrong, because I don’t. I just have a different perspective on it. 

I think both points are valid but with nearly 18 months into this, we can see some outcomes and others that haven’t materialized and we can potentially infer intended goals.  This is not a straight forward war. US men and women are not at risk so motivations other than a linear win can be primary to a straight out win. I think strengthening NATO and bleeding out Russia are more important than an outright win. I think maintaining nuclear stabilization is higher than an outright win.  I think messaging to China generally and with respect to Taiwan is an important goal. I think proving our equipment - multiple  generations older is superior is an important message. I think Russian stability might be a factor I don’t know. And then eventually Ukraine winning out right is a factor. But sadly I think an outright win is pretty far down the list of priorities. I find that morally repugnant but politics especially international wartime politics are hardly morally pure. I just hope we’ve proven enough and gained enough that we can move to the last priority it appears and win the damn war.

Edited July 1, 2023 by troph

[BamaATL 16592]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Nahh. Gimme more.

This, if you get to feeling badly, just remember: 

1.  The amount of children the Russians have killed - at least 400 (at thats probably sandbagging it a bit)

2.  The number of civilians targeted and killed by the Russians

3.  The amount of rapes and sexual assaults committed by Russians

4.  The deliberately placed murderers and all sorts of mentally unstable in combat

5.  The ecologic terrorism committed such as blowing up the dam

6.  They've attempted to freeze and starve the elderly via attacks on infrastructure

7.  They've destroyed over 3,000 school, hundreds of medical facilities, looted museums, stolen from farmers, mined fields

And the list goes on.  All the while, remember the vast majority of the Russian population is cheering all this on and even happy they are doing it.  

Did that one guy do it, maybe not?  But did his death prevent anymore of this from happening, probably even if in some small regard (and potentially a large one).  

If you bear all that in mind, you may find your sympathy eroding, and that's ok.

[Born to Run 6565]

 
Warning orcs get blowed up.

Thats looks like a scene from my duck blind when the boys clip a bunch of Red Heads or Bluebills and are ready to do something else. Just smoked em off the water with everything just in case.

[Born to Run 6565]

I've been fishing before and doing quite well at some spot I found along a bank and then a boatload of assholes comes up and either runs the fish off or wants to fish there even though they have the rest of the river/lake to fish from, so I can sympathize.

That too. I may have done donuts around a potlicker a time or too when I was younger. Now I fish weekdays.

[Born to Run 6565]

 
Why? Because of the eye patch? Or is it hard to flip pages with a hook for a hand?

It's the implication.

[Born to Run 6565]

 If it's a tent (think canvas) city or containers or prefabs, it can be done fast - US military does it all the time.
But then again, that's the US military and the logistics folks are fucking wizards.  I'm surprised that the Belarusians can scrounge together such infrastructure, I figure it would have all been shipped to Russia.

I think the point was to speculate on the veracity of this being an unplanned surprise action and cast doubt on that Russian narrative. On the other hand if it was planned it probably would have went worse based on Russian logistics. So ?

Drunk, corrupt enemy with a shit load of semi operational weapons is hard to read.

[atomheartbevo 89409]

40 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

I think the point was to speculate on the veracity of this being an unplanned surprise action and cast doubt on that Russian narrative. On the other hand if it was planned it probably would have went worse based on Russian logistics. So ?

Drunk, corrupt enemy with a shit load of semi operational weapons is hard to read.

Could be that they had the stuff lying around in case of an emergency - most governments have something they can throw together for people in an emergency/natural disaster/whatever.

Just imagine if they are moving Wagner into Belarus in order to form the core of secret police in order to either keep Lukashenko in power, of if he's truly sick, to be ready to put down any opposition to Putin's hand-picked successor to Lukashenko.  Wagner had no problem brutally killing/raping/etc. Ukrainians, who they were told were just brothers from another mother, so I'd imagine the same would hold true to Belorussians who would oppose Lukashenko's successor.

[Rimbo 25773]

 

[Rimbo 25773]

In the Zaporozhye direction, the ZSU continues its counter-offensive operation and is having success... On the Staromlyniv section of the front on the Rivnopil-Volodyne line, our soldiers managed to break through the orc defenses and advance quite a lot. Now the armed forces are clearing the territory and securing new positions. ..

 

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7 hours ago, Born to Run said:

15 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I've been fishing before and doing quite well at some spot I found along a bank and then a boatload of assholes comes up and either runs the fish off or wants to fish there even though they have the rest of the river/lake to fish from, so I can sympathize.

That too. I may have done donuts around a potlicker a time or too when I was younger. Now I fish weekdays.

you’ve started to arrive once you start fishing week days.

[Brisketexan 104559]

Huh. Memory popped up. 6 years ago today, we were passing through Kyiv. Noted that the Ukrainians had a definite opinion about where Crimea belonged:

[Schulz2.0 28764]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/06/30/valery-zaluzhny-ukraine-general-interview/

[Nivek 16852]

12 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Meh. They and their families cheer it on. They want to exterminate Ukraine and Ukrainians. Seriously, the support for the goal of the war is solid in Russia.

They’re just getting what’s coming to them.

This.  They have shown what they are willing to do to Ukraine cities and civilians.  The kidnappings, rape, murder, torture, destruction of homes, schools, buildings, and hospitals, shelling of civilians and evacuation routes, treatment of POWs, mining a nuke plant, and blowing up a dam.  Putting in so many landmines in habited locations will be threats to generations to come, in addition to the UXOs that are littering the cities.    So while watching an individual suffer is a little much,  he made his choice.  He 'joined' this.  He didn't turn that rifle on his commander, he didn't surrender.  He participated in this war machine.    So while he might not have raped a mom and forced the son to watch, he helped, he stood guard, he was an obstacle, and he diverted resources to deal with him. 

So if he dies, he dies.  

[Nivek 16852]

6 hours ago, Rimbo said:

In the Zaporozhye direction, the ZSU continues its counter-offensive operation and is having success... On the Staromlyniv section of the front on the Rivnopil-Volodyne line, our soldiers managed to break through the orc defenses and advance quite a lot. Now the armed forces are clearing the territory and securing new positions. ..

 

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/01/putin-claim-that-russia-funds-wagner-group-may-make-it-easier-to-try-him-for-war-crimes