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[InkaUtexas 25425]

38 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Zelenskyy visits Snake Island. I’m sure Putin is carefully watching from his dacha bunker. 
 

 

Ballsy. And a powerful place for him to go. But thought he was in Turkey. 

Either way damn good PR. 

[956 Worldwide 34313]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Ballsy. And a powerful place for him to go. But thought he was in Turkey. 

Either way damn good PR. 

He went to Turkey, and he extracted from Erdogan a statement that Ukraine deserves to be in NATO (careful words as that isn’t a promise to support their bid now). But, a great start.

Also the Nazi who is also a Christian hating Jew destroying the Orthodox Church went to a prayer service with the Ecumenical Patriarch. 
 

 Zelenskyy needed to be back for the 500 day mark. I need to say that his entire turn from smacking Bulgeria’s pro-Russian president to praise for Czech and Slovaks to flattery and prayer in Istanbul then to Snake Island is a master class in diplomacy and public communications and influence. 

[Viper 12011]

 

We welcome the decision of the US to provide Ukraine with the new liberation weapons that will significantly help us to de-occupy our territories while saving the lives of the Ukrainian soldiers.

 

Under Article 51 of the UN Charter Ukraine has a universal internationally recognised right to self-defence and thus we have been officially requesting these types of munitions for a long time.

I would like to stress that in exercising our inalienable right to self-defence we will continue to strictly comply with all the international humanitarian conventions signed and ratified by Ukraine.

 

It is important to note that the russian federation has been indiscriminately using cluster munitions from day 1 of the unprovoked large-scale aggression. In February-March 2022 Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-largest city with over a million population, was relentlessly bombarded by russians cluster munitions.  

 

Our position is simple - we need to liberate our temporarily occupied territories and save the lives of our people. For this we need to inflict losses on the enemy - war criminals, rapists and looters - who are occupying our territories. The more losses we inflict on them the more lives of Ukrainian people we will be able to save. 

 

It is in our interest to save the lives of our soldiers. This is why we will continue to do this using all lethal weapons available to us. 

 

Regarding the cluster munitions, we have 5 key principles which we will abide by and which we have clearly communicated to all our partners, including the US. I have personally informed our US partners about these five principles in writing a long time ago. 

 

1. Ukraine will use these munitions only for the de-occupation of our internationally recognised territories. These munitions will not be used on the officially recognized territory of russia.

 

2. We will not be using cluster munitions in urban areas (cities) to avoid the risks for the civilian populations - these are our people, they are Ukrainians we have a duty to protect. 

Cluster munitions will be used only in the fields where there is a concentration of russian military. They will be used to break through the enemy defence lines with minimum risk for the lives of our soldiers. Saving the lives of our troops, even during extremely difficult offensive operations, remains our top priority.  

 

3. Ukraine will keep a strict record of the use of these weapons and the local zones where they will be used.

 

4. Based on these records, after the de-occupation of our territories and our victory these territories will be prioritised for the purposes of de-mining. This will enable us to eradicate the risk from the unexploded elements of cluster munitions. 

The Minister of Defence of Ukraine is by law acting as the Head of the national de-mining agency. In this capacity I will ensure the implementation of the relevant legal framework for the de-mining process after our victory. 

 

5. We will report to our partners about the use of these munitions, and about their efficiency to ensure the appropriate standard of transparent reporting and control.

 

https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3451570/biden-administration-announces-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/

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Over 500 days of war, Russia has conducted thousands of missile strikes across Ukraine. A June attack on a pizzeria in Kramatorsk stood out for the diversity of its victims.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-victims-of-a-russian-strike-on-a-pizzeria-ukrainian-author-teenage-twins-ex-u-s-marine-94334447?st=wahp9g0a81qiu8d&reflink=share_mobilewebshare

[KYHorn 16808]

Some important points by Kofman here. I believe Jake Sullivan also pointed this out in defending the US's decision: this opens up a large stockpile of artillery ammunition that would otherwise be unavailable and goes a long way in helping bridge the gap between now and when Ukrainian allies are able to fully ramp up production as the year progresses. This is all in addition to the unique benefits cluster munitions provide.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by KYHorn

[KYHorn 16808]

After heavy losses at Klishchiivka, south of Bakhmut, a Russian elite airborne brigade notorious for atrocities at Bucha was forced to make a chaotic retreat under fire, suffering more casualties, and some survivors were detained for refusing orders to immediately return to combat, Russian open-source site CIT says citing Russian reports

A powerful Ukrainian assault forced Russia's 83rd Airborne Assault Brigade to retreat on foot without an evacuation plan, only to be given "illegally issued orders" to go right back to the front, the Russian troops complained in a video appeal

Russian draftees in another unit at Klishchiivka - the 1442nd Regiment - also refused to fight after suffering heavy losses under Ukrainian fire while being sent into combat without ammunition, their relatives said in an appeal. Some of the refuseniks were reportedly being held in a pit

The Russian airborne troops said they were "fraudulently" sent to Klishchiivka, where they spent 15 days under mortar fire without Russian artillery or air support or communications (which had been shut down by Ukrainian electronic warfare)

Meanwhile, Ukrainian drones reportedly zipped around freely overhead underhindered by Russian electronic warfare

After refusing to fight, they said they were threatened with being forced to join a "Storm-Z" unit of ex-convicts, notorious for being deployed in Russia's virtually suicidal so-called "meat assaults"

CIT report
notes.citeam.org/ru-dispatch-ju…

My post on recent Ukrainian advances south of Bakhmut
twitter.com/ArmedMaidan/st…

Russian airborne troops' appeal
t.me/astrapress/319…

Appeal by Russian draftees' relatives
archive.is/wJzF9

Map source: deepstatemap.live/en#13/48.5258/…

After heavy losses at Klishchiivka, south of Bakhmut, a Russian elite airborne brigade notorious for atrocities at Bucha was forced to make a chaotic retreat under fire, suffering more casualties, and some survivors were detained for refusing orders to immediately return to combat, Russian open-source site CIT says citing Russian reports

A powerful Ukrainian assault forced Russia's 83rd Airborne Assault Brigade to retreat on foot without an evacuation plan, only to be given "illegally issued orders" to go right back to the front, the Russian troops complained in a video appeal

Russian draftees in another unit at Klishchiivka - the 1442nd Regiment - also refused to fight after suffering heavy losses under Ukrainian fire while being sent into combat without ammunition, their relatives said in an appeal. Some of the refuseniks were reportedly being held in a pit

The Russian airborne troops said they were "fraudulently" sent to Klishchiivka, where they spent 15 days under mortar fire without Russian artillery or air support or communications (which had been shut down by Ukrainian electronic warfare)

Meanwhile, Ukrainian drones reportedly zipped around freely overhead underhindered by Russian electronic warfare

After refusing to fight, they said they were threatened with being forced to join a "Storm-Z" unit of ex-convicts, notorious for being deployed in Russia's virtually suicidal so-called "meat assaults"

CIT report
notes.citeam.org/ru-dispatch-ju…

My post on recent Ukrainian advances south of Bakhmut
twitter.com/ArmedMaidan/st…

Russian airborne troops' appeal
t.me/astrapress/319…

Appeal by Russian draftees' relatives
archive.is/wJzF9

Map source: deepstatemap.live/en#13/48.5258/…

[Foggy Notion 1202]

 

[ABSR 5289]

15 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

That conclusion doesn't seem to follow. It could also be to replace destroyed systems. I don't think we can no one way or another. 

Unfortunately true.  We can hope it is needed, but there will be both destroyed prior systems and additionally earlier systems that have used up their barrel life based on heavy use.   If they are sending these and sending replacement barrels for the ones sent prior then it would be a good sign.  Not sure that is the case.

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[956 Worldwide 34313]

2 hours ago, Foggy Notion said:

 

The Czechs gave the Azovstal men a lift home….

 

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11667]

following my Axis and Allies strategy.  Spend everything you’ve got on tanks  

 

[956 Worldwide 34313]

 

[Serak The Preparer 3423]

17 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

If you must have your president be a tv performer, pick one who can play the piano w his dick over someone who gives douchebags fake job tasks so he can say “you’re fired “ over and over

Y'all got any more of them playing-piano-with-his-dick tv performers?

[956 Worldwide 34313]

23 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

following my Axis and Allies strategy.  Spend everything you’ve got on tanks  

 

This is a sound strategy for Poland. They smartly understand that as a front line state, if they don’t want their land to be part of the “in depth” part of a defense in depth strategy, then they are going to have to hold up the Russians themselves on the ground. The Allies can respond quickly and get into the fight in the air and on the sea but there are serious logistical challenges to moving heavy equipment and infantry to where it’s needed in the east.
 

NATO planners have been prodding the eastern flank members to invest in mechanized infantry and tank units and now it’s slowly happening. Czech Republic recently invested in a large Swedish CV-90 purchase. 
 

One of the “benefits” we are seeing is not just NATO states rearming— but NATO states rearming in a way that makes sense for an Alliance that may need to fight a real war. 

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31 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

following my Axis and Allies strategy.  Spend everything you’ve got on tanks  

[atomheartbevo 89362]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

One of the “benefits” we are seeing is not just NATO states rearming— but NATO states rearming in a way that makes sense for an Alliance that may need to fight a real war. 

It's been a long time in the making, but between all of the news about NATO states boosting production to help Ukraine, as well as remaking their militaries to counter Russia (whether it be Poland and tanks or the Nordic countries merging their air forces), and then we are seeing some really strong stuff out of Ukraine in the past 24-48 hours.

Day 500 is going much better for Ukraine and NATO than I would have ever anticipated.

I guess Russia better hope Iran can keep making artillery shells for them.

[Parliament 14112]

33 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

 

Just when I thought I couldn't love her more.

[Schulz2.0 28752]

1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Czechs gave the Azovstal men a lift home….

 

 

Russia is all butthurt about it.

 

[BamaATL 16592]

You done messed up A-aron

 

[Schulz2.0 28752]

 

Edited July 8, 2023 by Schulz2.0

[956 Worldwide 34313]

13 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Russia is all butthurt about it.

 

Erdogan was a massive dick to Putin about this and with his statement on Ukraine in NATO. There’s something going on there, but I  not enough of an Ankara hand to speculate. Just hoping he’s not trying to throw some small bones to Ukraine to deflect from further can-kicking on Sweden. 

[Chad Fuck 17503]

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That’s a pretty nice haul.

[MillerEP 30339]

 

[InkaUtexas 25425]

40 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

That’s a pretty nice haul.

And we still see reports of Russian forces with little or no Ammo. Logistics or shitty leadership? Why not both?

 

[Gatorubet 30064]

following my Axis and Allies strategy.  Spend everything you’ve got on tanks  
 

I am imagining a world where soon a country like Finland, with its large number of somewhat impregnable mountain military bases, will respond to any invasion threat by immediately sending waves of 1000 large armed drone from its fortresses to descend upon enemy armor and mobile artillery.  No more days where Ivan leisurely sets up masses of large artillery to do the Russian ‘plow the field and then send waves of troops through the breach’ tactics.    They seem in capable of learning new tactics.
In that Brave New World, the country who masters anti-jamming technology - so that its thousand AI controlled drones can cover distance quickly and attack from above with the near impunity - will level the playing field against a collection of even hi-tech Russian MBTs and armor.
The country that masters that technology won’t be Russia. Nor will Russia again have the economic and technological resources to attack with high tech anything.    Having used up almost all their stores of older Soviet kit, I do not see Russia ever being able to rearm to the extent it would need to attack a modern Poland conventionally.   Now that the Nordic countries are almost all NATO allies, they are completing their prior plans to combine their countries’ military operations into one C&C system (the NORDEFCO agreement on steroids ) they will also have the conventional means to fuck up this now much-neutered Russia. 
Absent nukes (which I know is an ‘other than that Mrs. Lincoln, did you like the play? ‘ statement) Russia has forever lost its capability at being a menacing conventional military super power capable of defeating NATO allies if the US is not involved.
And I was alive to see it. Thanks Vlad. 
 

[956 Worldwide 34313]

The noise on Capitol Hill about the transfer of DPICM is frustrating. I get the hesitancy but if you want to be against them while saying you want to help Ukraine win— then you need to come with alternate plans to make up for the 155 shortfall and not just “be better.”

[MillerEP 30339]

https://twitter.com/KrzysztofJano15/status/1677737303215669250?s=20

^The shark

Edited July 8, 2023 by MillerEP

[Chad Fuck 17503]

15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

And we still see reports of Russian forces with little or no Ammo. Logistics or shitty leadership? Why not both?

 

If the Uke could get ahold of some of those Thompson's and Maxims we saw, I'd pay top dollar to get a couple for blasting beer cans at the farm.  PPSh too.  You know, doing my part to support the cause and all.  

[956 Worldwide 34313]

9 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

https://twitter.com/KrzysztofJano15/status/1677737303215669250?s=20

^The shark

Another side “benefit” is the world learning how fucking funny and cool the Balts and Central/Eastern Europeans are. 

The Balts are such a great example of how people and nations written off as hopelessly backward grabbed hold of the NATO/EU lifeline, reinvented themselves as tech geniuses and entrepreneurs, and became in so many ways the beating heart of European innovation and coolness. 

[Deej 76510]

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

You done messed up A-aron

 

Not a fake Army dog like Reveille.

[InkaUtexas 25425]

1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Another side “benefit” is the world learning how fucking funny and cool the Balts and Central/Eastern Europeans are. 

The Balts are such a great example of how people and nations written off as hopelessly backward grabbed hold of the NATO/EU lifeline, reinvented themselves as tech geniuses and entrepreneurs, and became in so many ways the beating heart of European innovation and coolness. 

And their leaders have brass balls. Oh, and their chicks are hot! 

Fuck with Patron and I am heading over. 

 

[956 Worldwide 34313]

4 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

If the Uke could get ahold of some of those Thompson's and Maxims we saw, I'd pay top dollar to get a couple for blasting beer cans at the farm.  PPSh too.  You know, doing my part to support the cause and all.  

And an SKS rifle with a couple full cases of that steel core ammo with the Berdan primers, from some East Bloc nation that no longer needs ‘em (oops)

James McMurtry was too optimistic. Guess he was mainlining Fukuyama. 

[Chad Fuck 17503]

6 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

And an SKS rifle with a couple full cases of that steel core ammo with the Berdan primers, from some East Bloc nation that no longer needs ‘em (oops)

James McMurtry was too optimistic. Guess he was mainlining Fukuyama. 

I had a friend with a Chinese SKS.  It was fun for about three shots before it jammed and we spent the next fifteen minutes trying to unfuck it.  Rinse, repeat.   

Perhaps the Russian ones are better.

[956 Worldwide 34313]

Just now, Chad Fuck said:

I had a friend with a Chinese SKS.  It was fun for about three shots before it jammed and we spent the next fifteen minutes trying to unfuck it.  Rinse, repeat.   

Perhaps the Russian ones are better.

The Russian one I shot was fine and the Yugoslav one I used to own was really good. 

[Parliament 14112]

6 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I had a friend with a Chinese SKS.  It was fun for about three shots before it jammed and we spent the next fifteen minutes trying to unfuck it.  Rinse, repeat.   

Perhaps the Russian ones are better.

They are.  

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The Russian one I shot was fine and the Yugoslav one I used to own was really good. 

Also true.  Mine was a NIB with an unfinished stock.  It has a NATO grenade-launching flash hider for some reason.  IIRC, I paid $185 for it back in '01.  And ammo was like 13 cents.

Edited July 8, 2023 by Parliament

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^^^And I have a theory that China poured cheap, garbage assault ri...semi-auto rifles into the US because they thought if they flooded the streets with them, we'd tear ourselves apart.  Kinda like we did with opium back in the day.  Joke's on them; we have our own cheap semi-auto rifles.

[956 Worldwide 34313]

LOL, Erdogan will love hearing this. “He just did what the others made him do cause he’s weak.”

 

[bolverk 29360]

4 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

LOL, Erdogan will love hearing this. “He just did what the others made him do cause he’s weak.”

 

Is Hungary still hanging onto those dudes over transcarpathian issues?

[The Dog 43771]

Speaking of Hungary…

 

[Brisketexan 104465]

Another side “benefit” is the world learning how fucking funny and cool the Balts and Central/Eastern Europeans are. 

The Balts are such a great example of how people and nations written off as hopelessly backward grabbed hold of the NATO/EU lifeline, reinvented themselves as tech geniuses and entrepreneurs, and became in so many ways the beating heart of European innovation and coolness. 

The boy is finding his degree tracking him into CEES (central and Eastern European studies). I keep telling him that there’s a really good chance of the region being the new fulcrum in Europe. He’s not thrilled about having to learn another language like polish or Ukrainian to go with his German. We’ll see, but dead-on agree with this post. They are showing their salt.

[Rimbo 25752]

2 hours ago, BamaATL said:

You done messed up A-aron

 

[statsman 5406]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-abuse-ukrainian-prisoners-war-torture-azov-trial-mariupol-terror-human-rights-ca5bfc09?st=9kaozd5kn7dd9cc&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

[AUS-97HORN 11654]

25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The boy is finding his degree tracking him into CEES (central and Eastern European studies). I keep telling him that there’s a really good chance of the region being the new fulcrum in Europe. He’s not thrilled about having to learn another language like polish or Ukrainian to go with his German. We’ll see, but dead-on agree with this post. They are showing their salt.

or, your boy is a got damned genius that realizes that eastern european wimmen leak at the thought of bagging an American BF/hubs

[Deej 76510]

6 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

or, your boy is a got damned genius that realizes that eastern european wimmen leak at the thought of bagging an American BF/hubs

Until they meet his dad. Then they'll be so depressed after talking to him that they can't put out. 

[Schulz2.0 28752]

 

[Armybrat 40678]

2 hours ago, Chad Fuck said:

If the Uke could get ahold of some of those Thompson's and Maxims we saw, I'd pay top dollar to get a couple for blasting beer cans at the farm.  PPSh too.  You know, doing my part to support the cause and all.  

Those could be re-imported to the US and sold through the Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) since they were obviously manufactured prior to the 1986 Gun Control Act. 
Of course they would be subject to the NFA registration rules (as they now stand).

But I’m not holding my breath with the current political climate in Washington. /cr

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3 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

And we still see reports of Russian forces with little or no Ammo. Logistics or shitty leadership? Why not both?

Given the current state of the economy and the probable missed paycheck (or three), these dudes could be skimming and selling stuff somewhere.

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The noise on Capitol Hill about the transfer of DPICM is frustrating. I get the hesitancy but if you want to be against them while saying you want to help Ukraine win— then you need to come with alternate plans to make up for the 155 shortfall and not just “be better.”

If they want to oppose them, then they should publicly and loudly push for fighters.

3 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Another side “benefit” is the world learning how fucking funny and cool the Balts and Central/Eastern Europeans are. 

The Balts are such a great example of how people and nations written off as hopelessly backward grabbed hold of the NATO/EU lifeline, reinvented themselves as tech geniuses and entrepreneurs, and became in so many ways the beating heart of European innovation and coolness. 

And they are reinvigorating NATO like nobody's business.  I wonder if that's partly why Germany has been ramping up everything - either their arms industry lit a match under the politicians, or they were afraid of being left behind/being seen as second-tier (with Poland taking their spot).

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54 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

I've seen some speculation elsewhere that we aren't seeing as many fully wrecked/turret-tossed vehicles/tanks/etc., and are instead seeing stuff that hit mines or just didn't cook off like we used to, because they are running low on ammo and are rationing fuel.  People saying that admitted that could be anecdotal and they could have been damaged vehicles that were stripped of a lot of stuff.