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[Neonmoon 38,126]

I wonder how long it would take us to train Ukrainians to use AC-130s

[DDD Dad 14,078]

44 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This is a P-3, right?

Check with Armybrat

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,766]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Are Harpoons much of a threat to modern defenses on big ships? Low, slow flying, 1970s era missile seems like it would be a pretty easy target absent some aggressive missile spam. 

We now have the AGM-158 LRASM.  It's a much longer-range missile than the Harpoon and stealthy.  They were working on fitting them to the P-8A, but I don't know if they are operational yet.  

[Dahobbs 17,255]

17 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

We now have the AGM-158 LRASM.  It's a much longer-range missile than the Harpoon and stealthy.  They were working on fitting them to the P-8A, but I don't know if they are operational yet.  

We can also literally dump them out of a C-130(12 missiles) or C-17 (45 missiles) by the dozen. Frankly, giving Ukraine a C-17and Rapid Dragon would probably do more to reshape the battlefield than hundreds of F-16s. 

Edited July 31, 2023 by Dahobbs

[Captainant 26,927]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

ATACMS cost a hell of a lot more than GMLRs. You really wouldn't want to use the former on a target that could be serviced by the later.  ATACMS and Storm Shadow would seem to overlap on intended targets. While I have no doubt that ATACMS could be used, I'm just not sure I understand why it is a need if the same targets (and further away targets) can be serviced with Storm Shadow. 

 

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

Storm Shadows are subsonic and fly low to the ground.  ATACMS is over mach 3 and comes down at the target from above.  That makes a huge difference when it comes to shooting them down.

 

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/atacms-the-weapon-ukraine-needs-to-stun-russia-but/

 

ATACMS will take a year to get to Ukraine because they come direct from the manufacturer and they are out of production so a new production cycle needs to be started.

Obligatory plug for the Grim Reapers aviation milsim group on youtube who've tested ATACMS against russian air defenses on the Crimean bridge

They've also done some crazy rapid dragon "what-if" videos if you're into that sorta thing (edit: it's in spoiler below because it's allsome). For context: these guys predicted that Patriot would intercept the khinzal hypersonic missile, and have been on-point with their Ukraine War analysis

Spoiler

 

 

Edited July 31, 2023 by Captainant

[Parliament 14,025]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I wonder how long it would take us to train Ukrainians to use AC-130s

More time than it would take the Russians to blow them out of the sky.

[Parliament 14,025]

So Putin watches those 3 ships float straight to Ukraine and he does exactly nothing?  This guy might be a pussy.

[KYHorn 16,730]

A helpful summary of the geopolitical dynamics in Niger with an emphasis on Russia and the West.

Spoiler

Very long post on Niger, Africa-Russia summit, and the unfolding events. The unfolding situation in Niger and the Africa-Russia summit need to be examined in a more comprehensive geopolitical context. Ever since Russia's emergence as a significant player on the world stage, underscored by its military interventions in Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), and Syria (2015), it has been re-establishing old Soviet channels of influence in Africa as part of a strategy for vertical geopolitical expansion spanning the Arctic, Eurasia, the South Caucasus, the Middle East, and increasingly Africa.
Russia has signed military cooperation agreements with several Sahel countries, including Chad, Niger, and Nigeria in August 2017; Guinea in April 2018; Burkina Faso in August 2018; and Mali in June 2019.
Niger's strategic importance has grown exponentially for several reasons. Firstly, the country boasts vast uranium reserves. Secondly, France, the US, and Russia are actively involved in counterterrorism efforts in the region. Thirdly, Turkey and the UAE view Niger as a crucial player in their ongoing rivalry in Libya.
In 2021, Russia worked to promote anti-French narratives in Africa and boost its soft power in Mali, the CAR, and Niger at France's expense. With Mali and Chad under military rule, Niger has become an increasingly crucial part of the US and France's Sahel strategies. Niger has experienced a coup attempt in late March 2022, refugee influxes, and a rise in terrorist attacks, enhancing its geo-strategic importance.
The military junta in Mali's alliance with Russia and its strained relations with France have turned Niger into the central hub of European counterterrorism efforts in the Sahel. Burkina Faso and Guinea, despite their military regimes, have avoided the sanctions that Mali received from the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), as they have been granted extra time to negotiate.
The Wagner Group's activities in Mali, which Chad and Niger oppose, may have influenced this disparate treatment. However, as we moved into the end of 2022, Russian media highlighted the potential for Wagner Group private military contractors to be deployed in Niger.
Russia's long-term goal is to prevent Niger's uranium mines from falling into French hands. The coup in Niger has been a topic at the Russia-Africa Summit. Mohamed Bazoum's absence from the summit was interpreted on Russian media as indicative of Western pressure on Africa, a point made by Nikolay Patrushev. 
Intriguingly, the coup appears to have been driven more by local dynamics, such as the allocation of resources to the military and disagreements between Bazoum and the military over counter-terrorism tactics, rather than external influences. The Wagner Group's experience in Burkina Faso suggests that they face a challenging road ahead in Niger.
In the aftermath of the coup, Niger finds itself under a new regime. The pro-French president Bazouma has been overthrown, with Colonel Amadou Abdraman announcing the coup on behalf of the army and security forces. The military now holds power, controlling key administrative buildings in Niger's capital.
Amid these events, in a calculated gesture, Putin offered free grain to African countries, especially after blocking Ukrainian exports and targeting Danube and Black Sea ports and grain facilities. 
In this evolving scenario, Russia seeks to leverage food dependencies in Africa to build political capital, potentially influencing votes in vital organizations. Putin can also indirectly pressure the West, which needs to make more concessions to prevent a severe food crisis. Furthermore, Putin has leveraged the situation to blame Western sanctions for the precarious food supply situation. With Niger being part of the vestiges of the French sphere of influence in Africa, the stakes are high. Given its uranium reserves & strategic position in the region, a potential intervention by Wagner could have far-reaching implications.

 

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

8 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

A helpful summary of the geopolitical dynamics in Niger with an emphasis on Russia and the West.

  Reveal hidden contents

Very long post on Niger, Africa-Russia summit, and the unfolding events. The unfolding situation in Niger and the Africa-Russia summit need to be examined in a more comprehensive geopolitical context. Ever since Russia's emergence as a significant player on the world stage, underscored by its military interventions in Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), and Syria (2015), it has been re-establishing old Soviet channels of influence in Africa as part of a strategy for vertical geopolitical expansion spanning the Arctic, Eurasia, the South Caucasus, the Middle East, and increasingly Africa.
Russia has signed military cooperation agreements with several Sahel countries, including Chad, Niger, and Nigeria in August 2017; Guinea in April 2018; Burkina Faso in August 2018; and Mali in June 2019.
Niger's strategic importance has grown exponentially for several reasons. Firstly, the country boasts vast uranium reserves. Secondly, France, the US, and Russia are actively involved in counterterrorism efforts in the region. Thirdly, Turkey and the UAE view Niger as a crucial player in their ongoing rivalry in Libya.
In 2021, Russia worked to promote anti-French narratives in Africa and boost its soft power in Mali, the CAR, and Niger at France's expense. With Mali and Chad under military rule, Niger has become an increasingly crucial part of the US and France's Sahel strategies. Niger has experienced a coup attempt in late March 2022, refugee influxes, and a rise in terrorist attacks, enhancing its geo-strategic importance.
The military junta in Mali's alliance with Russia and its strained relations with France have turned Niger into the central hub of European counterterrorism efforts in the Sahel. Burkina Faso and Guinea, despite their military regimes, have avoided the sanctions that Mali received from the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), as they have been granted extra time to negotiate.
The Wagner Group's activities in Mali, which Chad and Niger oppose, may have influenced this disparate treatment. However, as we moved into the end of 2022, Russian media highlighted the potential for Wagner Group private military contractors to be deployed in Niger.
Russia's long-term goal is to prevent Niger's uranium mines from falling into French hands. The coup in Niger has been a topic at the Russia-Africa Summit. Mohamed Bazoum's absence from the summit was interpreted on Russian media as indicative of Western pressure on Africa, a point made by Nikolay Patrushev. 
Intriguingly, the coup appears to have been driven more by local dynamics, such as the allocation of resources to the military and disagreements between Bazoum and the military over counter-terrorism tactics, rather than external influences. The Wagner Group's experience in Burkina Faso suggests that they face a challenging road ahead in Niger.
In the aftermath of the coup, Niger finds itself under a new regime. The pro-French president Bazouma has been overthrown, with Colonel Amadou Abdraman announcing the coup on behalf of the army and security forces. The military now holds power, controlling key administrative buildings in Niger's capital.
Amid these events, in a calculated gesture, Putin offered free grain to African countries, especially after blocking Ukrainian exports and targeting Danube and Black Sea ports and grain facilities. 
In this evolving scenario, Russia seeks to leverage food dependencies in Africa to build political capital, potentially influencing votes in vital organizations. Putin can also indirectly pressure the West, which needs to make more concessions to prevent a severe food crisis. Furthermore, Putin has leveraged the situation to blame Western sanctions for the precarious food supply situation. With Niger being part of the vestiges of the French sphere of influence in Africa, the stakes are high. Given its uranium reserves & strategic position in the region, a potential intervention by Wagner could have far-reaching implications.

 

Yep, I am tracking. Watch Sudan and DRC be the next two that he openly supports. He already has Wagner in Sudan, but not in huge numbers. He cannot afford to piss off China and their push for Oil.  Do not want to distract on Ukraine, but this is going to get fun. I can post somethings I am seeing in the Global Spring thread. 

But remember, the only thing that held these "armies" together was US Logistical Support and EUCOM (Mainly French) troops. And it was still rough going for them. 

Now they are bringing in Wagner? The Legion with US Air support would fuck them up. Add to that the US (SF) has been training Nigeria and Ghanaian troops for peacekeeping missions. Like the Rwandans they are pretty damn good. Most of Nigeria's problems come from these areas. I am sure they would love to fuck up the Jihadi's and the nations that house them.

This region is going to be fucked up for a bit. And Putin fucking with the grain deal will cause a lot of deaths. These leaders won't care, will be buying watches in Zurich once they learn Russia's weapons are not that good for COIN operations.  

Sorry for the rant, will be monitoring and post in the other thread. Sahel and Haiti are going to become headaches for the US and the UN real quick. 

[Steel Shank 9,338]

3 hours ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Those fancy things were not around back then.  I flew P-3's.  

 

(not sure what I missed I haven't been in this thread lately)

You can't just come running in here all willy nilly!

[atomheartbevo 89,078]

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

So Putin watches those 3 ships float straight to Ukraine and he does exactly nothing?  This guy might be a pussy.

He doesn’t have the balls to sink Israeli, Turkish, and Greek civilian cargo ships, or any other such ships owned by other nations.  That invites armed escorts into the area (if not UN, then definitely NATO or EU), it invites Turkey to completely close the Straits to all Russian ships, not just Russian military ships, and it means open season for Turkey and Israel to really start some shit in Syria.

Sinking foreign-flagged third-party ships full of grain is another line that Putin won’t cross.   He’s been around long enough to remember what happened in the Persian Gulf when foreign-flagged civilian oil tankers started being sunk during the Iran/Iraq war.  Shit got really serious for everybody involved after that.  Whatever support he still has in Africa will start drying up.

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

So now we know Ukraine's secret weapon to get the Bridge..... Damn this is amazing and scary! Applause to the young lady. 

YouTube video of the dive. 

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by InkaUtexas
Adding full video.

[atomheartbevo 89,078]

[Schulz2.0 28,657]

 

Another hit tonight.

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by Schulz2.0

[atomheartbevo 89,078]

2 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Another hit tonight.

[Schulz2.0 28,657]

 

 

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

Keep it up. Now hit the fucking bridge again! 

 

[Deej 76,220]

49 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

So now we know Ukraine's secret weapon to get the Bridge..... Damn this is amazing and scary! Applause to the young lady. 

YouTube video of the dive. 

 

[Foggy Notion 1,198]

 

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

Just now, Deej said:

That is how they blow up bridge! 

[Nivek 16,691]

4 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

I wonder how long it would take us to train Ukrainians to use AC-130s

first it will take us 10 years to debate it, then 10 years to bring up production, 3 years to smell farts, and 1 year to train people on it.

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

1 minute ago, Foggy Notion said:

 

Russia blows up Ukrainian apartments and homes at night. 

Ukraine blows up office buildings at night. 

Which one has civilians at the time? 

Russia can kiss my ass. 

[Deej 76,220]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

That is how they blow up bridge! 

How deep is it at that bridge?

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

3 minutes ago, Deej said:

How deep is it at that bridge?

Damn man, gotta infiltrate to get away from Russian dolphins and their new barriers. Ever see what limpet mines did to large ships and infrastructure during WW2? Pretty amazing. On all sides. 

[Chad Fuck 17,309]

first it will take us 10 years to debate it, then 10 years to bring up production, 3 years to smell farts, and 1 year to train people on it.

In the meantime, Ukraine will have cobbled together a squadron of attack Li-2s.

[Parliament 14,025]

1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

A helpful summary of the geopolitical dynamics in Niger with an emphasis on Russia and the West.

  Reveal hidden contents

Very long post on Niger, Africa-Russia summit, and the unfolding events. The unfolding situation in Niger and the Africa-Russia summit need to be examined in a more comprehensive geopolitical context. Ever since Russia's emergence as a significant player on the world stage, underscored by its military interventions in Georgia (2008), Ukraine (2014), and Syria (2015), it has been re-establishing old Soviet channels of influence in Africa as part of a strategy for vertical geopolitical expansion spanning the Arctic, Eurasia, the South Caucasus, the Middle East, and increasingly Africa.
Russia has signed military cooperation agreements with several Sahel countries, including Chad, Niger, and Nigeria in August 2017; Guinea in April 2018; Burkina Faso in August 2018; and Mali in June 2019.
Niger's strategic importance has grown exponentially for several reasons. Firstly, the country boasts vast uranium reserves. Secondly, France, the US, and Russia are actively involved in counterterrorism efforts in the region. Thirdly, Turkey and the UAE view Niger as a crucial player in their ongoing rivalry in Libya.
In 2021, Russia worked to promote anti-French narratives in Africa and boost its soft power in Mali, the CAR, and Niger at France's expense. With Mali and Chad under military rule, Niger has become an increasingly crucial part of the US and France's Sahel strategies. Niger has experienced a coup attempt in late March 2022, refugee influxes, and a rise in terrorist attacks, enhancing its geo-strategic importance.
The military junta in Mali's alliance with Russia and its strained relations with France have turned Niger into the central hub of European counterterrorism efforts in the Sahel. Burkina Faso and Guinea, despite their military regimes, have avoided the sanctions that Mali received from the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), as they have been granted extra time to negotiate.
The Wagner Group's activities in Mali, which Chad and Niger oppose, may have influenced this disparate treatment. However, as we moved into the end of 2022, Russian media highlighted the potential for Wagner Group private military contractors to be deployed in Niger.
Russia's long-term goal is to prevent Niger's uranium mines from falling into French hands. The coup in Niger has been a topic at the Russia-Africa Summit. Mohamed Bazoum's absence from the summit was interpreted on Russian media as indicative of Western pressure on Africa, a point made by Nikolay Patrushev. 
Intriguingly, the coup appears to have been driven more by local dynamics, such as the allocation of resources to the military and disagreements between Bazoum and the military over counter-terrorism tactics, rather than external influences. The Wagner Group's experience in Burkina Faso suggests that they face a challenging road ahead in Niger.
In the aftermath of the coup, Niger finds itself under a new regime. The pro-French president Bazouma has been overthrown, with Colonel Amadou Abdraman announcing the coup on behalf of the army and security forces. The military now holds power, controlling key administrative buildings in Niger's capital.
Amid these events, in a calculated gesture, Putin offered free grain to African countries, especially after blocking Ukrainian exports and targeting Danube and Black Sea ports and grain facilities. 
In this evolving scenario, Russia seeks to leverage food dependencies in Africa to build political capital, potentially influencing votes in vital organizations. Putin can also indirectly pressure the West, which needs to make more concessions to prevent a severe food crisis. Furthermore, Putin has leveraged the situation to blame Western sanctions for the precarious food supply situation. With Niger being part of the vestiges of the French sphere of influence in Africa, the stakes are high. Given its uranium reserves & strategic position in the region, a potential intervention by Wagner could have far-reaching implications.

 

TL;DR

Russia tries to pull the rest of the World down into the shit they've lived in for 1500 years, all while stealing their resources.

[KYHorn 16,730]

 

russian mil bloggers.... 

 

just a little panic. 

 

"Very serious risks of surrender n.a.

 

In the event of the surrender of Staromayorsky (held by the 5th army), there is a serious danger of losing Harvest (held by the 36th army - they will simply come out of it and say about occupying more advantageous lines).

 

The enemy is trying to competently penetrate the flanks of the positions of the 35th army and take it into the cauldron. Everyone on the ground sees this, but no countermeasures are taken.

 

Commanders lack the competence to solve this problem. Now the question is at the stage of pushing the blame on each other."

 

@romanov_92

[Nivek 16,691]

15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Russia blows up Ukrainian apartments and homes at night. 

Ukraine blows up office buildings at night. 

Which one has civilians at the time? 

Russia can kiss my ass. 

Ukraine fucked up.  They should be hitting government buildings during the day when it is full of people.  Fuck Russia.  

[KYHorn 16,730]

They're really pelting them with these things 

[Rimbo 25,255]

1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

They're really pelting them with these things 

They're pretty dam good, I tell ya

[Rimbo 25,255]

 

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1686208580884611072

[Pods 7,499]

6 hours ago, MillerEP said:

 

Russia has committed so many atrocities, the abduction of 700,000 children kind of gets lost in the shuffle.

It's a number that is very difficult to fathom. Take a full DKR and multiply it times 7. That's how many kids have been stolen and abused. 7 full DKRs worth. 

700,000 kids kidnapped and without our aid, it would be MUCH worse. One out of every 10 kids in the entire country of Ukraine kidnapped. A huge number of Ukrainian children are currently being stolen and abused, yet some Americans still take the Russian side. 

Few things in this world boil down to actual Good versus Evil. This is one of them. There is only one acceptable response. Give Ukraine what they need to win this war. 

[Leeroy Jenkins 2,338]

6 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

This report: “Militarnyi reports that yesterday, three civilian ships (Israeli, Greek and Turkish/Georgian origin) were able to bypass the Russian blockade of the Black Sea and headed for Ukraine. It is reported that the passage was secured by a US P8 anti-ship aircraft.”

Was just curious how formidable one of those P8’s were, and it’s not clear whether it was simple the US Navy saying “hey we are in the area” or “ hey we are tracking these civilian ships, hopefully nothing happens to them.”

Of course, Russia attacking any non-Ukrainian ships would be a huge shitstorm and I think even they know it.  That’s the kind of stuff that invites armed escorts. Plus Turkey would probably completely close the Straits off to Russian shipping, and not just Russian military vessels.

The P-8 has some great sensors on board and I believe they can fire the LRASM now (contract to do so was awarded a couple of years ago).  That is a pretty formidable weapon.  It should have been the Naval Strike Missile but that is another story.   

[bolverk 29,111]

30 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

Alright. This is the second time this thing's been posted, and I'm going to need some clarification on what exactly is happening here.

Are the Russians using the same defensive tactics me and my friends used in elementary school by using trash can lids as shields?

[MillerEP 30,277]

For fucks sake this madman jumped bail

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

6 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Alright. This is the second time this thing's been posted, and I'm going to need some clarification on what exactly is happening here.

Are the Russians using the same defensive tactics me and my friends used in elementary school by using trash can lids as shields?

Yes, but Russia logic, it will deflect Starlink with lies and bullshit. 

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

Love this.... 

 

[Pato del Muerto 52,119]

4 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Love this.... 

 

Some would say that the Israeli ship is the one in the vulnerable position here. 

[MillerEP 30,277]

[atomheartbevo 89,078]

They are who they always were.

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

Ships arrived. Will Putin have the cojones to hit them? Don't think so. 

 

[Schulz2.0 28,657]

 

 

 

[Schulz2.0 28,657]

 

 

[Schulz2.0 28,657]

 

 

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

More about NATO Air watching the three ships heading to Ukraine. 

 

[InkaUtexas 24,934]

Iceland showing some balls. 

 

[Schulz2.0 28,657]

 

[Schulz2.0 28,657]

 

[B00M 6,033]

3 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Russia is definitely putting that IRIS-T kill on their aggy esque scoreboard

[atomheartbevo 89,078]

Technically it was over month ago.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-66016518