Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[Parliament 14626]

6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

 I don’t think he sat down and tried to link all those posts.  And I absolutely value his input on this thread, due to his wealth of knowledge about the politics of the countries involved.  He greatly contributes to our  knowledge of the situation.

My God this board has gone soft.

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40 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Blaming it on women, booze or drugs usually works. In this case, though, I would go with russian bots.

I’m an Aggie and that’s kind of a built in excuse to do something stupid if I’m not an asshole about it. 

[Schulz2.0 29307]

6 hours ago, elfenix said:

it's not a tech glitch, it's that surly will embed a whole timeline if you link to a twitter profile instead of an individual tweet.  it's worked that way for years. 

anyway, nsiap:

 

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[The Dog 44871]

 

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NAFO is not going to let the internet forget Scott Ritter's criminal record.

 

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1 hour ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I’m an Aggie and that’s kind of a built in excuse to do something stupid if I’m not an asshole about it. 

Well, speaking of aggy, apparently Russian troops just need to "hold on for another month" and if they lose, well obviously they just ran out of time.

 

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17 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

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14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Well, speaking of aggy, apparently Russian troops just need to "hold on for another month" and if they lose, well obviously they just ran out of time.

 

Also very aggy of them to play the victim card and describe the shelling of ammunition depots and warehouses as “terrorism”.

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Shoygu unexpectedly declared that Russia has not used cluster munitions yet, which is a strange thing to say considering that Russian reporters have been talking about using this weaponry from the first day of war. Perhaps Shoygu is threatening to use these munitions against civilians? That sounds like something he would do.

[DDD Dad 14665]

19 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Perhaps Shoygu is threatening to use these munitions against civilians? 

Pretty sure they have been doing that, too, since the beginning of the war.

Edited August 15, 2023 by DDD Dad

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Just now, DDD Dad said:

Pretty sure they have been doing that, too, since the beginning of the war.

Yeah, but it could be openly announcing that they are going to do it.  Which is dumb as fuck, but it's Russia.

[Viper 12221]

Despite a recent statement by Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu that the task of the "special military operation" is to release Russian soldiers from Ukrainian captivity, not all Russian pows want to be exchanged: "Some prisoners ask the Ukrainian authorities to delay their exchange until after their military contracts have expired so that they are not compelled to fight again. A few ask not to be returned at all" - The Economist.

The full article is here: 

https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/08/13/how-russian-prisoners-of-war-see-putins-invasion

 

 

 

[KYHorn 17666]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

It gets better:

https://news.yahoo.com/shooting-between-kadyrovites-dagestanis-occurs-131215264.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly90LmNvLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABcXFNXIldQA7AG8taoq2SCs3yAuSubKlCDNWKAZMeqKAVGtCHnQQJ1HbHpKGMT0AsiF_Ini2FKW9lJSI_hbD0ziLnYxzIVzvs4dBPEmWbcqFQ8xL-AgCuJf1lqUMk-xG35ta0_knydWpru8XJE2gsRaWwTrRr1IKqb1HompJq4T 

In the temporarily occupied village of Mykhailivka, Zaporizhzhia Oblast, a conflict between units of the Russian army has occurred.

Source: National Resistance Center of Ukraine

Details: Reportedly, on 12 August, the Russian propagandists arrived in the village of Mykhailivka in the Vasylivskyi district of Zaporizhzhia Oblast to shoot a news piece about the "great contribution" of a top official from the Kadyrovites fighters to the reconstruction of Russia-occupied territories in Ukraine. [Kadyrovites are pro-Russian Chechen forces led by Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechen leader – ed.]

At about 20:00 on the same day, a verbal altercation occurred between Kadyrovites and Dagestanis from another unit of the Russian occupying forces near the Central Park of the village.

 

During the argument, one of the occupiers opened fire into the air from an automatic small arm.

During the fight, one of the participants received multiple stab wounds incompatible with life. It led to an open confrontation between the units with the use of GP-25 Kostyor under-barrel grenade launchers, offensive hand grenades and automatic small arms.

Dagestanis have reportedly won the fight.

The National Resistance Center reports irreversible losses on both sides: 20 soldiers of the Russian units were killed, and 40 more were injured.

The commander of the Kadyrovites (likely a colonel) was sent to frontline positions as a punishment 

Edited August 15, 2023 by KYHorn

[KYHorn 17666]

Seems legit:

Shoigu's statements at the Moscow Security Conference:

• The military resource of Ukraine is almost exhausted.
• Russia "put an end to Western military dominance."
• There is nothing invulnerable to Russian weapons on the battlefield today.
• Soviet-made equipment is in many cases superior to Western equipment.
• Russia did not use cluster munitions in Ukraine.

 

 

Edited August 15, 2023 by KYHorn

[RockyMountainHighHorn 929]

Do we have any surly-ites that have been in active combat-more specifically someone that has driven tanks or APV’s? My question is-how hard is it to see anti tank mines? I’d imagine it’s almost impossible. We don’t have a radar or metal detecting scanner that can detect incoming mines on the ground?
 

I’m still amazed watching videos of soldiers walking around, I feel like I’d constantly be looking down for trip wires or mines. I know then get popped by the orcs. But if Dobby and other Russian convicts are laying mine fields and supposedly mapping them..I could see the maps looking like the back of a kids cereal box. 

[MissingInAction 25606]

Cluster munitions are perfect for clearing mines and orcs.

[RPM 26682]

22 minutes ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

My question is-how hard is it to see anti tank mines?

Never set foot inside a tank, but I've slept at a Motel 6. It really depends on the mine and how well it was placed. The damn thing may have been buried 2 years by now and the ground has settled. You need explosives and flails to be sure.

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15 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Cluster munitions are perfect for clearing mines and orcs.

 They might incidentally reduce some mine field density but you’d never drive over a mined place because someone cluster bombed it.  50% mined is still awfully mined and I’d imagine it would take a LOT of these munitions to get something down to 50.  

[BabaYaga 15632]

45 minutes ago, RockyMountainHighHorn said:

Do we have any surly-ites that have been in active combat-more specifically someone that has driven tanks or APV’s? My question is-how hard is it to see anti tank mines? I’d imagine it’s almost impossible. We don’t have a radar or metal detecting scanner that can detect incoming mines on the ground?
 

I’m still amazed watching videos of soldiers walking around, I feel like I’d constantly be looking down for trip wires or mines. I know then get popped by the orcs. But if Dobby and other Russian convicts are laying mine fields and supposedly mapping them..I could see the maps looking like the back of a kids cereal box. 

My BF friend from HS was an Abrams driver with the 24th Mechanized.  His TC was in GW1 when they did the big end-around in open desert.  I've never asked specifically about mines, but he has told me how visibility for the driver is as much as art as a science.  It's not great, but you get used to the process.  The TC out of an open hatch would be your eyes and ears (think Pitt in Fury), but when you have to completely button up, it's tough.  

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2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

My BF friend from HS was an Abrams driver with the 24th Mechanized.  His TC was in GW1 when they did the big end-around in open desert.  I've never asked specifically about mines, but he has told me how visibility for the driver is as much as art as a science.  It's not great, but you get used to the process.  The TC out of an open hatch would be your eyes and ears (think Pitt in Fury), but when you have to completely button up, it's tough.  

I'm aware that this tech wasn't available in the Gulf War, but it is today....do they not have multiple cameras showing the view from the vehicle at multiple angles?  I mean....my wife's freaking Hyundai has that feature, and it cost a good bit less than an Abrams.

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[BamaATL 16593]

I asked the wife about visibility in these, and while she wasn't a driver she's been in them in combat in Iraq 15 years ago (so probably comparable tech to what the Ukrainians have).  She said it was easy to tell where the IED's were, once they exploded.  Basically, while they might be able to spot mines while operating the vehicle, the truth is they are largely dependent on intel and already knowing if they were there or not.  Minefields are laid with 2 different objectives, an obvious deterrent, and then ambush.  Of course in Iraq, the insurgents used only IED attacks, so they were all ambush.   She also operated as a drive Humvees in convey's, prior to the arrival of the MRAP's, and that was more scary than anything as they weren't armored enough to really withstand an attack.  They had that stupid heat seeking rod on the hot of them, which might, key part of this might, trigger the IED but it would still maim or kill the folks in the humvee.  Big game changer with MRAPs, a much safer way if you had to be in that sort of environment.   

Now I did see where apparently due to heat from the Sun the Ukrainians are having good results using thermal cameras at dusk to spot mines via heat.  That's a big deal.  

[MillerEP 30913]

Complete nonsense that Russia hasn't been using cluster munitions, I've bookmarked multiple videos of them doing it, here is how many they used in just one city, Kharkiv:

[RDCanecutter 26928]

50 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I'm aware that this tech wasn't available in the Gulf War, but it is today....do they not have multiple cameras showing the view from the vehicle at multiple angles?  I mean....my wife's freaking Hyundai has that feature, and it cost a good bit less than an Abrams.

Dunno, but vehicles driven in the field rapidly become coated in dust and muck and I suspect anything sensitive would get stomped by a Private's boot anyway.

[Felix 645]

Didn't see combat, thank God, but I've crewed every position on an Abrams.  Almost impossible to see mines if they are deployed correctly.  We mostly liked to operate at night since out night vision/thermal imagers were so good.  Many mines use a probe instead of pressure so that it doesn't have to be run over by tracks to explode.  They are easier to see in open ground but are more designed to be deployed in vegetation obviously.  Those are the ones that really scared us because they were designed to blow a penetrator up through the bottom of the tank.   That would usually be the end of the driver.  Running over one with a track would usually just immobilize you instead of killing you.

[BabaYaga 15632]

54 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I'm aware that this tech wasn't available in the Gulf War, but it is today....do they not have multiple cameras showing the view from the vehicle at multiple angles?  I mean....my wife's freaking Hyundai has that feature, and it cost a good bit less than an Abrams.

No clue - if they did, they wouldn't really help with anything even halfway decently buried.  Wife has a Hyundai also ironically, and they help parking, but not moving at speed across a battlefield.  I still think the TC is still the main guy.  What they can do is digitally coordinate with all the others in the formation and relay live footage from aerial assets above (if they have them).  

What would be super cool is the driver having the same coordinated camera helmets the F35 guys have - where the cameras overlap so you can "see through" the plane like it's invisible and you can see from all sides in real time.  

Tanks are dangerous to everyone around them.  Hard to see out of.  Hard to stop.  They attract heavier munitions which makes being around them on foot dicey.  

[BabaYaga 15632]

12 minutes ago, Felix said:

Didn't see combat, thank God, but I've crewed every position on an Abrams.  Almost impossible to see mines if they are deployed correctly.  We mostly liked to operate at night since out night vision/thermal imagers were so good.  Many mines use a probe instead of pressure so that it doesn't have to be run over by tracks to explode.  They are easier to see in open ground but are more designed to be deployed in vegetation obviously.  Those are the ones that really scared us because they were designed to blow a penetrator up through the bottom of the tank.   That would usually be the end of the driver.  Running over one with a track would usually just immobilize you instead of killing you.

My buddy said it would get so cold on coordinated maneuvers all the infantry would gather behind that jet engine and it's exhaust......meaning he's keep rotating the tank away from them and piss them all off....;)

Other stories of crossing streams that were deeper than expected with the front hatch open.  Having fish flopping around in the tank.  Taking out trees when you slide through a turn in the mud.  

But also guys getting really hurt - there was a story (not sure if true) of a driver getting killed because he was sitting high in the seat and the main gun depressing down and crushing his head/neck.

[BabaYaga 15632]

18 minutes ago, Felix said:

Running over one with a track would usually just immobilize you instead of killing you.

What about a sticky bomb?  You know, you you take a standard G.I sock, cram it with as much Composition B as it can hold, rig up a simple fuse, the coat the whole thing with axel grease. now when you throw it, it should stick. its a bomb that sticks, it a "sticky bomb".

I mean, if you can think of a better way to knock out the tracks I'm all ears

[Brisketexan 107044]

52 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Dunno, but vehicles driven in the field rapidly become coated in dust and muck and I suspect anything sensitive would get stomped by a Private's boot anyway.

Dude.  The tech to deal with that has existed for decades....

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2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

During the fight, one of the participants received multiple stab wounds incompatible with life.

Sorry but that's funny

[MissingInAction 25606]

56 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Dunno, but vehicles driven in the field rapidly become coated in dust and muck and I suspect anything sensitive would get stomped by a Private's boot anyway.

Privates are more lethal than any bullet.

[InkaUtexas 26987]

11 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Privates are more lethal than any bullet.

You misspelled Lieutenant

[Orange&White 5573]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I'm aware that this tech wasn't available in the Gulf War, but it is today....do they not have multiple cameras showing the view from the vehicle at multiple angles?  I mean....my wife's freaking Hyundai has that feature, and it cost a good bit less than an Abrams.

But the tank can withstand a palm tree falling on it.

[Brisketexan 107044]

3 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

But the tank can withstand a palm tree falling on it.

Goddamn.....your fucking memory is amazing.....AND IT PISSES ME OFF.  TOO SOON.

8 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

You misspelled Lieutenant

Don't criticize what MIA does with his privates.

Just look away, like most decent people do.

[MillerEP 30913]

Edited August 15, 2023 by MillerEP

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3 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 

So there's a Russian version of The Onion, right?  That has to be satire.

[Brisketexan 107044]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

So there's a Russian version of The Onion, right?  That has to be satire.

Russian onions, you say?

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[MissingInAction 25606]

Only the Ukes could put trampolines on top of tanks and make it a viable strategic advantage.

[RDCanecutter 26928]

8 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Ah, Vasil, you were doing so well, attaching those skimmers to gas pumps, and making the waitresses give you a kick-back from their tips... but you just had to go "Big Time, Cash Moneys," dintya, dintya?

[MissingInAction 25606]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Don't criticize what MIA does with his privates.

Just look away, like most decent people do.

[MillerEP 30913]

^lolz, well well if it isn't the consequences of your own actions

[ABSR 5373]

7 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

The real tragedy is that this could have all been avoided with better communications.  Both sides heard the other saying they were going to rape all the locals and then a the fight ensued.  However, if they had just communicated better it would have been clear that the Khadyrovites were talking about raping the men, boys and live stock, and the Russian were talking about raping the women, young girls and elderly women.

Shame.

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I'm in tears 🤣