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[0xdeadbeef 1714]

Crossing my fingers hoping for a civil war. 

[The Dog 44888]

3 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Crossing my fingers hoping for a civil war. 

[Gatorubet 30825]

What Wagner troops in Belorussia doing?   Sad Pandas = imminent war crimes???

[G650 14458]

20 minutes ago, 4th and 5 said:

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken also commented on the developing situation.

"The fact that Prigozhin made a direct challenge to Putin's authority, the fact that he questioned publicly the very premises that Putin has advanced for the aggression against Ukraine – that's playing out and will continue to play out," Blinken told MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Wednesday when asked about the incident.

"We've seen the ongoing drama, too, of where is Prigozhin, what is the arrangement with Putin?" he added. "If I were Mr. Prigozhin, I would remain very concerned. NATO has an 'Open Door' policy; Russia has an open windows policy, and he needs to be very focused on that."

The "open windows policy" was a tongue-in-cheek reference to the fact that numerous prominent Russian officials and businessmen who fell out of favor with Putin died by what local authorities described as falling out of windows or off of balconies.

Russians seem to be big defenestration enthusiasts, there is no doubt.

[The Dog 44888]

 

[JesusSweatDuck 18196]

39 minutes ago, Shoxthemonkey said:

Am I the only one that imagines that Pigmeat was screaming like a bitch all the way to the ground?

This is better than him meeting the business end of a sledgehammer.  The sledgehammer is much too quick and I like to picture him shitting his pants all the way to the ground.  Fuck this guy, I hope he was also burning alive while falling to the ground.

[UpperWestside 6286]

If you were just casually looking at how Putin operates you might think killing an opponent is localized just to his regime and that perhaps the nation as a whole deserves better.

After laughing about thinking that you look at Russian history as a whole and realize this is how it has been for them for centuries. This is how they have ALWAYS existed. Again this is nothing more than a 3rd World country with a nuclear arsenal. They are a completely backwards and morally bankrupt country that has gone from one despot to another for most of its history. They are the Denny Green meme running into perpetuity. Outside of a full scale takeover of this country by the west they are never going to come out of their own self-imposed idiocy. In short Russia has the dictator it deserves. None of us posting here will ever live long enough to see Russia modernize itself. Putin will one day die and be replaced by the next Tin Pot dictator. Same as it always was.

Edited August 23, 2023 by UpperWestside

[Armybrat 41502]

7 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

You know what they have left

 

[Brisketexan 107066]

3 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

If you were just casually looking at how Putin operates you might think killing an opponent is localized just to his regime and that perhaps the nation as a whole deserves better.

After laughing about thinking that you look at Russian history as a whole and realize this is how it has been for them for centuries. This is how they have ALWAYS existed. Again this is nothing more than a 3rd World country with a nuclear arsenal. They are a completely backwards and morally bankrupt country that has gone from one despot to another for most of its history. They are the Denny Green meme running into perpetuity. Outside of a full scale takeover of this country by the west they are never going to come out of their own self-imposed idiocy. In short Russia has the dictator it deserves. None of us posting here will ever love long term bough to see Russia modernize itself. Putin will one day die and be replaced by the next Tin Pot dictator. Same as it always was.

This.  So much this.  Forever and ever, amen.  Esp. the bolded, for simplicity's sake.

Russia is utterly backwards.  Always has been, always will be.  It is what they are.

[SimonBolivar 11076]

4 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

If you were just casually looking at how Putin operates you might think killing an opponent is localized just to his regime and that perhaps the nation as a whole deserves better.

After laughing about thinking that you look at Russian history as a whole and realize this is how it has been for them for centuries. This is how they have ALWAYS existed. Again this is nothing more than a 3rd World country with a nuclear arsenal. They are a completely backwards and morally bankrupt country that has gone from one despot to another for most of its history. They are the Denny Green meme running into perpetuity. Outside of a full scale takeover of this country by the west they are never going to come out of their own self-imposed idiocy. In short Russia has the dictator it deserves. None of us posting here will ever live long enough to see Russia modernize itself. Putin will one day die and be replaced by the next Tin Pot dictator. Same as it always was.

[Dahobbs 18438]

4 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

If you were just casually looking at how Putin operates you might think killing an opponent is localized just to his regime and that perhaps the nation as a whole deserves better.

After laughing about thinking that you look at Russian history as a whole and realize this is how it has been for them for centuries. This is how they have ALWAYS existed. Again this is nothing more than a 3rd World country with a nuclear arsenal. They are a completely backwards and morally bankrupt country that has gone from one despot to another for most of its history. They are the Denny Green meme running into perpetuity. Outside of a full scale takeover of this country by the west they are never going to come out of their own self-imposed idiocy. In short Russia has the dictator it deserves. None of us posting here will ever live long enough to see Russia modernize itself. Putin will one day die and be replaced by the next Tin Pot dictator. Same as it always was.

Sadly, as somewhat of an enthusiast for Russian history and literature, I agree with this. Russia needs its a Germany or Japan style total defeat and rebuild. It needs to be so thoroughly crushed that it never again will believe it is or can be a "great power." 

[Armybrat 41502]

3 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

well that's interesting.

Yeah, who’s gonna be in charge of catering at the Kremlin now?

[Goredho 17663]

How I picture @atomheartbevo and @MillerEP right now...

[butthurt 1572]

 

 

[Brisketexan 107066]

7 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Sadly, as somewhat of an enthusiast for Russian history and literature, I agree with this. Russia needs its a Germany or Japan style total defeat and rebuild. It needs to be so thoroughly crushed that it never again will believe it is or can be a "great power." 

This is a great take, too.

Russia's greatest blessing is its giant landmass, full of natural resources and very difficult to conquer.

Russia's greatest curse is ALSO its giant landmass, full of natural resources and very difficult to conquer.

[utee94 16092]

42 minutes ago, G650 said:

Russians seem to be big defenestration enthusiasts, there is no doubt.

They can't even be original,  the Czechs beat them to it centuries ago.

 

[wildcat09 29612]

28 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

If you were just casually looking at how Putin operates you might think killing an opponent is localized just to his regime and that perhaps the nation as a whole deserves better.

After laughing about thinking that you look at Russian history as a whole and realize this is how it has been for them for centuries. This is how they have ALWAYS existed. Again this is nothing more than a 3rd World country with a nuclear arsenal. They are a completely backwards and morally bankrupt country that has gone from one despot to another for most of its history. They are the Denny Green meme running into perpetuity. Outside of a full scale takeover of this country by the west they are never going to come out of their own self-imposed idiocy. In short Russia has the dictator it deserves. None of us posting here will ever live long enough to see Russia modernize itself. Putin will one day die and be replaced by the next Tin Pot dictator. Same as it always was.

This is a little more dismissive of Russia's acomplishments than I think is appropriate. They've produced many very talented adult film actresses.

[sidis 10020]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Watching it go down and freezing a frame or two, it was missing a wing.  Which checks out -- the embraer that he was on has underwing engines, so that's where a heat seeker likely would have done its damage.

[Harrison Stafford 3395]

Prigozhin got Epstein’d

[Braff Zacklin 13677]

Just now, sidis said:

Also, I think most ground-launched anti-air missiles are radar-guided rather than heat-seeking. I'm sure there are exceptions, though.

[JesusSweatDuck 18196]

5 minutes ago, Harrison Stafford said:

Prigozhin got Epstein’d

Only they didn't turn the cameras off.

[sidis 10020]

3 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Also, I think most ground-launched anti-air missiles are radar-guided rather than heat-seeking. I'm sure there are exceptions, though.

no exceptions amongst the russian surface to air missiles.  the 40NE6E, 48N6DM, 48N6E3, 48N6E2, 9M96E and 9M96E2 are all active radar honing.

that's why they all come with these:

[WhatTheBuck 28943]

3 hours ago, Saint Austin said:

Will someone smarter than me say if this is a good thing or a bad thing?

Is potato. 

[atomheartbevo 90707]

27 minutes ago, Goredho said:

How I picture @atomheartbevo and @MillerEP right now...

Ironically I was up late working on a project last night, so I took a brief nap this afternoonand woke up to this thread jumping three pages or so.  Figured either Ukraine broke through or it was a coup.  Kind of surprised. I know he had to make an example of Priggy, but he had Wagner under control through Priggy.

[G650 14458]

23 minutes ago, utee94 said:

They can't even be original,  the Czechs beat them to it centuries ago.

 

Prague will always be the OG window throwers in my book

[Macanudo 13360]

Kind of bizarre location to get shot down.    It's about 150 miles NW of Moscow and 250 miles SE of St. Petersburg.  Also about 250 N/NE of Belarus and Ukraine.   

There is an air base in the area but do Russian bases have SAM sites around them that far into the interior?   If they do, I'm curious if that is SOP or have the Russian started doing that with the increase in drone attacks.   The really odd thing is that the air base is for helicopters.   Not exactly a high worth target for Ukraine.   Having a SAM base there is like us putting one SW Virginia.  Otherwise it was based in Moscow and someone got an itchy trigger finger.  

So in conclusion, Putin killed him.  

[babysdaddy 2731]

25 minutes ago, sidis said:

lol, lord grant me the confidence of a lawyer posting on a message board.  Occasionally wrong but never in doubt.

[sidis 10020]

Just now, Macanudo said:

Kind of bizarre location to get shot down.    It's about 150 miles NW of Moscow and 250 miles SE of St. Petersburg.  Also about 250 N/NE of Belarus and Ukraine.   

There is an air base in the area but do Russian bases have SAM sites around them that far into the interior?   If they do, I'm curious if that is SOP or have the Russian started doing that with the increase in drone attacks.   The really odd thing is that the air base is for helicopters.   Not exactly a high worth target for Ukraine.   Having a SAM base there is like us putting one SW Virginia.  Otherwise it was based in Moscow and someone got an itchy trigger finger.  

So in conclusion, Putin killed him.  

ideal place.  go to google maps and look at the area where the incident occurred.  nothing down there, very little collateral damages.  here's streetview of the road right below where the plane went down.

https://goo.gl/maps/TV62XhhXSdNuQXVE7

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

2 minutes ago, sidis said:

ideal place.  go to google maps and look at the area where the incident occurred.  nothing down there, very little collateral damages.  here's streetview of the road right below where the plane went down.

https://goo.gl/maps/TV62XhhXSdNuQXVE7

 

wow, they found an empty area in russia?

[sidis 10020]

for some reason, my link on to the street view above is fucky.  not where i set it.

what's funny is someone already put a pic of the plane burning on the tail's page on flightaware.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/RA02795

[BamaATL 16593]

10 minutes ago, sidis said:

ideal place.  go to google maps and look at the area where the incident occurred.  nothing down there, very little collateral damages.  here's streetview of the road right below where the plane went down.

https://goo.gl/maps/TV62XhhXSdNuQXVE7

 

You think Putin gives a rat's ass about collateral damage.  That's hilarious.  

[Trey3216 15458]

1 hour ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Crossing my fingers hoping for a civil war. 

The floor is lava!! 

[Brisketexan 107066]

39 minutes ago, sidis said:

Well, ya got us.  @Ghost of LL and I were discussing, and we knew the bird was an Embraer.  We thought it was a bigger one -- 172 or 175, which does have the underwing engines.

Looked like it was spewing fuel, and missing a wing.  But it also may have been missing the vertical stabilizer.  Hard to tell precisely from the video.  

I mean, either way...it was going down.

[956 Worldwide 35616]

4 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

He shouldn't have had an airplane that looked so much like a Ukrainian drone.

He just should have pre-selected aisle and not window. 

[CycleTex87 3047]

Like a buddy of mine says - It’s safer in the back of the plane because the mountains are in front. 

[SquishMitten 10498]

Is Wagner even anywhere near Russia in meaningful numbers? Or are they mostly in Africa and western Belarus? That makes a pretty big difference in their ability to re-coup

[Ghost of LL 15731]

4 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

Is Wagner even anywhere near Russia in meaningful numbers? Or are they mostly in Africa and western Belarus? That makes a pretty big difference in their ability to re-coup

They're in Belarus in pretty large numbers.  And Belarus doesn't really have a military to prevent Wagner from moving toward Russia.

But the real trouble is that I don't think Wagner took any of their heavy weaponry to Belarus.  At least the videos I saw showed them moving into Belarus in convoys of trucks, not tanks and IFVs.

[BamaATL 16593]

So I was pretty sure our satellites could pick up them launching SAM's, but this more or less says that absolutely we can.  Interesting that we would be letting this out, undermining whatever bullshit story Putin comes up with doesn't hurt so whatever.  Sowing more dissent only helps Ukraine.  

[956 Worldwide 35616]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

Sadly, as somewhat of an enthusiast for Russian history and literature, I agree with this. Russia needs its a Germany or Japan style total defeat and rebuild. It needs to be so thoroughly crushed that it never again will believe it is or can be a "great power." 

[956 Worldwide 35616]

It is pretty shitty, I have to say, that on Ukraine Independence Day tomorrow the whole world will be talking about how/if one Kremlin thug murdered a failed Kremlin thug mutineer. Along with  all the disinformation that comes with it.

Putin could have offer him at any time and don’t believe for a minute this wasn’t timed.

[Armybrat 41502]

41 minutes ago, sidis said:

for some reason, my link on to the street view above is fucky.  not where i set it.

what's funny is someone already put a pic of the plane burning on the tail's page on flightaware.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/flight/RA02795

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No Flights In The Last 14 Days

And none in the next 14,000,000,000,000 either.

[Pato del Muerto 53631]

[Incredulity 11888]

[0xdeadbeef 1714]

 

If I was Pootin, I'd come out and say shit like "Prigozhin's was a close personal friend and a true Russian patriot; if he was killed, I'll hold those responsible"  

Nobody (outside of Russia) will believe it, but it would probably play to the Wagner rank and file and be just enough to make them do nothing.

 

[Nivek 17445]

As much as it pains me to say it, Prigozhin was absolutely a worse option (i.e., somehow even less stable/predictable) than Putin, so his untimely demise should ultimately be a good thing.
Even better if it touches off a little bit o' civil war.

Unpredictable? He was motivated by money and pride. He was very predictable.

[We’reTexas 1478]

 

[Braff Zacklin 13677]

14 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Unpredictable? He was motivated by money and pride. He was very predictable.

Sure. Attempting a coup against a sociopath and then suddenly reversing his course, saying, "Oops, my bad!," and absconding to Belarus, then Africa, then god knows where.

Totally predictable.

[Schulz2.0 29314]

 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Schulz2.0

[Rudiger 1183]

12 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Sure. Attempting a coup against a sociopath and then suddenly reversing his course, saying, "Oops, my bad!," and absconding to Belarus, then Africa, then god knows where.

Totally predictable.

We’ve all been there. 

[Deej 77939]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean, either way...it was going down

Just like South Austin's mom.