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[RDCanecutter 25,995]

1 minute ago, YGIFS said:

I only know two things about the Chinese.  They're off-roading prowess.  And their ability to responsibly hold their liquor.

Oh wait, shit.

*there

[YGIFS 19,445]

And their the ones riding it (the ATV) off...

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

And the decline isn't just military.  It's economic and diplomatic.  The sanctions haven't had the crushing effect for which one might have hoped.  But they've had an effect all the same.  The Russian economy is stagnant; inflation is high.  That's right, friends--it's the Fed's great fear: stagflation.  And there's not a damned thing the central bank can do about it. 

They've had some kind of effect - Official Russian state TV has had Russian government employees on their evening talk shows bragging about how Russians should buy Chinese cars and vacation in China instead of European cars and European vacations.  Actually, it was less bragging and more bitching about European cars that they can no longer buy or get serviced.

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

Russia certainly can't sell weapons on the international market; nobody wants their garbage.

It's not just that it's garbage, it's that if you were to buy some of their hardware now, it may not be delivered for years to come since they have dipped into their stockpiles of hardware that goes back to the 60s and 50s.  And even if you were to somehow get some Russian hardware for your money, if you need parts/ammo, you're going to be waiting quite a while since they were having to take Belarus's ammo and parts, and having to buy ammo from North Korea.

Hell, they had to startup a turbine factory for tank/IFV/etc. engines that had been shut down for years, and they are making the stuff by hand.

[Ghost of LL 15,255]

1 hour ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

All the dead Ukrainians? Decimation of their country? I certainly do get the cynical view that rubblizing and rebuilding parts of Ukraine will make some people money. There’s always unintended consequences though.
 

Look what’s happening to Germany.  Vast deindustrialization. They’ll be moving to rust belt status in the future. How will that be handled by their population? Not well, I’m guessing. And I’m no saying I know how that could’ve been prevented, but a lot of this thread is Go Team! without even knowing if it’s true or what will be the fallout. 
 

In terms of manpower yes, but they’ve been battle tested in the new ways of war and ramped their spend significantly. 

Battle doesn't harden an army that suffers the casualties that the Russian Army has suffered.  Would you say that the United States Army was "battle tested" in 1974?  Fuck no, you wouldn't.  The United States Army in 1974 was severely degraded, and that's after having suffered 50,000 dead in ten years, not 70,000 in 20 months.

The Ukrainian Army is also battle degraded.  And the Ukrainian nation is suffering mightily.  Their interest is for this war to successfully end at the earliest possible time.  So from that standpoint, the interests of Ukraine diverge somewhat from the interests of the United States.

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

1 hour ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

In terms of manpower yes, but they’ve been battle tested in the new ways of war and ramped their spend significantly. 

Oh, they've been battle-tested, and it's not good in a good way, because they've lost so many experienced officers and NCOs over the last 19 months on their 3-day war.  

Early on, they stripped their training battalions for soldiers to send to the front, which. means that newly-mobilized soldiers get very little training.  Normally they go through a brief training period (couple of weeks or so) and then are sent to training battalions that are a part of the regiment/division they will eventually end up at to complete their training, which would run into a couple of months depending on their job.  Dumbass way to do it but Russia loves their turditions.  But those battalions were stripped for meat.  So they get the first few weeks of training, and then, as they and their families bitch about on Russian social media, they are sent to the front.

And in the Russian Army, NCOs are basically soldiers who have been there for a year or two - outside of technicians, most are not trained in a professional manner to be a leader like you see in the West.  That means that junior lieutenants and lieutenants are relied upon to fill the leadership roles and make decisions directly for the enlisted that NCOs in the West, and it means that captains and majors are doing the stuff that lieutenants in the West would be doing, and that Lt. Colonels and Colonels are making decisions that should be made at the company-or-below level.

Losing 3,200 officers is crippling at all levels and why they are making so many mistakes and costing so many men and hardware, and even here in December of 2023, you can see that their trenches are poorly maintained, etc. and they make dumbass mistakes - multiple drone videos show clearly-defined trails leading to where they shit and where their trenches are.

[TexasEd 8,030]

54 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I only know two things about the Chinese.  They're off-roading prowess.  And their ability to responsibly hold their liquor.

Oh wait, shit.

 

52 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

*there

**their

[Brisketexan 103,656]

4 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

 

**their

***他们的

[Trey3216 15,308]

4 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Is that general's viewing being in a hotel lobby?

"This is our most modestly priced viewing area..." 

[Schulz2.0 28,652]

 

 

 

[MissingInAction 24,431]

Lol @ "battle tested". What a shill.

[InkaUtexas 24,933]

6 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Lol @ "battle tested". What a shill.

We have seen better bot postings on twitter. 

[BamaATL 16,286]

Still going fucking great for Russia

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,569]

11 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Still going fucking great for Russia

 

Does this stuff just happen all the time in Russia regardless of the state of war? We’re not saying this is Ukraine doing it are we?  

[Brisketexan 103,656]

6 hours ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

You should read the actual article. The landing is going nowhere. 

I do enjoy this.  Very Axis Sally, "your landings have failed."

Sic semper fascists.

[Neonmoon 38,126]

50 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Does this stuff just happen all the time in Russia regardless of the state of war? We’re not saying this is Ukraine doing it are we?  

Yes 

[Ken Griffey Jr 73]

4 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Battle doesn't harden an army that suffers the casualties that the Russian Army has suffered.  Would you say that the United States Army was "battle tested" in 1974?  Fuck no, you wouldn't.  The United States Army in 1974 was severely degraded, and that's after having suffered 50,000 dead in ten years, not 70,000 in 20 months.

The Ukrainian Army is also battle degraded.  And the Ukrainian nation is suffering mightily.  Their interest is for this war to successfully end at the earliest possible time.  So from that standpoint, the interests of Ukraine diverge somewhat from the interests of the United States.

Again, I didn’t mean as far as manpower, although they appear to have more than Ukraine. They’re battle tested as they’ve had to adapt to this new kind of warfare. We’re seeing the increased number of drones, newer EW systems deployed. They’ve increased missile and shell production.  
 

What EW capabilities do we have? What drone production capacity? I have no doubt that we can build higher tech, more expensive drones. But this conflict seems to be more about mass production than anything else. It’s shocking to me that we can’t match their artillery shell production anytime soon. The hollowing out of our industrial capacity is a big problem, especially if (when?) we end up in multiple conflicts. Our country is awfully complacent, and this thread is a microcosm of that imo. 
 

34 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:I do enjoy this.  Very Axis Sally, "your landings have failed."

Sic semper fascists.

oh, it’s succeeded, but their plan was the Russian would scurry and they didn’t. Now they’re using small craft to bring over everything with sometimes not enough drinking water on the left side. Unless something changes it will be much ado about nothing.
 

The calls that something big is about to happen is very reminiscent of the summer counteroffensive. 

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23 minutes ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

Again, I didn’t mean as far as manpower, although they appear to have more than Ukraine. They’re battle tested as they’ve had to adapt to this new kind of warfare. We’re seeing the increased number of drones, newer EW systems deployed. They’ve increased missile and shell production.  
 

What EW capabilities do we have? What drone production capacity? I have no doubt that we can build higher tech, more expensive drones. But this conflict seems to be more about mass production than anything else. It’s shocking to me that we can’t match their artillery shell production anytime soon. The hollowing out of our industrial capacity is a big problem, especially if (when?) we end up in multiple conflicts. Our country is awfully complacent, and this thread is a microcosm of that imo. 
 

oh, it’s succeeded, but their plan was the Russian would scurry and they didn’t. Now they’re using small craft to bring over everything with sometimes not enough drinking water on the left side. Unless something changes it will be much ado about nothing.
 

The calls that something big is about to happen is very reminiscent of the summer counteroffensive. 

Who are you rooting for victory-wise in the Ukraine - Russian war?

[Ghost of LL 15,255]

17 minutes ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

Again, I didn’t mean as far as manpower, although they appear to have more than Ukraine. They’re battle tested as they’ve had to adapt to this new kind of warfare. We’re seeing the increased number of drones, newer EW systems deployed. They’ve increased missile and shell production.  
 

What EW capabilities do we have? What drone production capacity? I have no doubt that we can build higher tech, more expensive drones. But this conflict seems to be more about mass production than anything else. It’s shocking to me that we can’t match their artillery shell production anytime soon. The hollowing out of our industrial capacity is a big problem, especially if (when?) we end up in multiple conflicts. Our country is awfully complacent, and this thread is a microcosm of that imo. 
 

oh, it’s succeeded, but their plan was the Russian would scurry and they didn’t. Now they’re using small craft to bring over everything with sometimes not enough drinking water on the left side. Unless something changes it will be much ado about nothing.
 

The calls that something big is about to happen is very reminiscent of the summer counteroffensive. 

Is it really your contention that the Russian military is stronger today than it was on February 1, 2022?

Are you contending that the Russian military is comparatively stronger vis-a-vis Nato than it was on February 1, 2022?

And to the extent you're contending that the Russian military is stronger either in absolute or comparative terms, on what evidence are you basing that?  When you say "they've had to adapt to this new kind of warfare," what evidence of such adaptation are you seeing?  Where have those adaptations been successful?  Because Russia's war aim continues to be the conquest of Ukraine.  But for 20 months, they haven't had any meaningful gains.  That doesn't reflect any successful adaptation to me.

The reality for any objective observer is that this war is weakening Russia in every way.  Russia may not be losing.  But it's not winning.

And for Russia, that is losing.

[Armybrat 40,559]

7 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Is that general's viewing being in a hotel lobby?

No, the restaurant formerly known as the Cheesecake Factory in Moscow.

[InkaUtexas 24,933]

How far has russia moved from their annexed territory? How is the column heading for Kyiv doing? Shit, their naval power in the Black Sea is less than what it was. To a country with no navy. 

Yeah, if this is how Russia wins good for them. 

And every day we see more atrocities they commit. 

 

[Kyrie Eleison 9,312]

1 hour ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

Again, I didn’t mean as far as manpower, although they appear to have more than Ukraine. They’re battle tested as they’ve had to adapt to this new kind of warfare. We’re seeing the increased number of drones, newer EW systems deployed. They’ve increased missile and shell production.  
 

What EW capabilities do we have? What drone production capacity? I have no doubt that we can build higher tech, more expensive drones. But this conflict seems to be more about mass production than anything else. It’s shocking to me that we can’t match their artillery shell production anytime soon. The hollowing out of our industrial capacity is a big problem, especially if (when?) we end up in multiple conflicts. Our country is awfully complacent, and this thread is a microcosm of that imo. 
 

oh, it’s succeeded, but their plan was the Russian would scurry and they didn’t. Now they’re using small craft to bring over everything with sometimes not enough drinking water on the left side. Unless something changes it will be much ado about nothing.
 

The calls that something big is about to happen is very reminiscent of the summer counteroffensive. 

 

[B00M 6,033]

17 hours ago, YGIFS said:

And their the ones riding it (the ATV) off...

*they’re

[B00M 6,033]

14 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Still going fucking great for Russia

 

That building is just battle tested now

[YGIFS 19,445]

38 minutes ago, B00M said:

*they’re

riding or writing if off?  

(their's the joke...)

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

Aggy football team is battle tested.

[SydneyCarton 47,486]

23 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And yet, somehow, they can't remove Ukraine from their landings across the Dnipro.

And for 21 months, Russia, with the world's 2nd-largest military, somehow can't take the Avdiivka area, that is only 53 miles from the Russian border

21 months and tens of thousands of Russian casualties, and they just can't close the deal.

53 miles from the Russian border.

And you should check Russian social media - the Russians are constantly melting down over the problems they face/can't overcome.

 

Oh, he's very familiar with Russian Social Media. 

 

23 hours ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

How can you be so sure of yourself and so wrong, repeatedly? You’re the perfect example of how isolated this thread has become.
 

If the Russians are spread so thin, how do they have the initiative almost everywhere? As for the bridgehead, not all great news there. 
 

 

You wouldn’t know from thread, but things are going to shit quickly.

 

 

I thought Russia was weak?
 

 

Bottom line is the prognostications here have been wrong. Y’all trumpet the same wrong 5 or 6 accounts from Twitter, so you come up with the wrong plans to get the outcome you want. Russia was always going to care about this more than us. So either we should’ve let the Istanbul negotiations go through and reach a ceasefire or we needed to ramp shit up. We broke up the initial peace negotiations because we wanted to weaken Russia and now they’ve cranked up their military production massively. Dumb 

 

And this will all get deleted because the truth is hard to face. 
 

 

@blacklab GRUHorn is back in the Ukraine thread. 

[NorthLoop 13,954]

19 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Just look at how battle tested these T-72 and Su-24 are!

 

Holy shit I haven't heard Harlem Shake in like 10 years. I had totally forgotten about it. 

[Born to Run 6,363]

Aggy football team is battle tested.

Not all tests yield A+ results.

[Trey3216 15,308]

15 hours ago, Ken Griffey Jr said:

Again, I didn’t mean as far as manpower, although they appear to have more than Ukraine. They’re battle tested as they’ve had to adapt to this new kind of warfare. We’re seeing the increased number of drones, newer EW systems deployed. They’ve increased missile and shell production.  
 

What EW capabilities do we have? What drone production capacity? I have no doubt that we can build higher tech, more expensive drones. But this conflict seems to be more about mass production than anything else. It’s shocking to me that we can’t match their artillery shell production anytime soon. The hollowing out of our industrial capacity is a big problem, especially if (when?) we end up in multiple conflicts. Our country is awfully complacent, and this thread is a microcosm of that imo. 
 

oh, it’s succeeded, but their plan was the Russian would scurry and they didn’t. Now they’re using small craft to bring over everything with sometimes not enough drinking water on the left side. Unless something changes it will be much ado about nothing.
 

The calls that something big is about to happen is very reminiscent of the summer counteroffensive. 

Shell capacity???  We don't use fucking shells anymore.  We have these things called F/A 22's and 35's that take all that shit out from the sky.  We have ships that will launch Tomahawks until the battlefield we want presents itself.  We have been building drones for decades.  You may have heard of some of them.  We have also been building fleets of smaller drones that will make what Russia and Ukraine are currently using look like fucking puppynuts.  

 

We don't fight wars like Russia does.  They would have had to quit already if they were fighting us because we would have flattened their capability to do anything but hide in the apartment buildings that no longer exist since they leveled them.   

 

Completely idiotic post.  

[Gatorubet 29,789]

[InkaUtexas 24,933]

US charges Russian soldiers with war crimes against an American in Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/doj-russia-ukraine-war-crimes/index.html

CNN — 

Four Russian soldiers have been charged with war crimes against an American who was living in Ukraine during the Russian invasion, according to court documents unsealed in federal court in Virginia.

The case against Russian soldiers marks the first time the US government has used a decades-old law aimed to prosecute those who commit war crimes against American citizens.

Spoiler

Attorney General Merrick Garland called the charges “an important step towards accountability for the illegal war in Ukraine.”

“As the world has witnessed the horrors of Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine, so has the United States Department of Justice,” Garland said at a press conference Wednesday. “That is why the Justice Department has filed the first ever charges under the US war crimes statute against four Russia-affiliated military personnel for heinous crimes against an American citizen.”

According to the indictment, the Russian soldiers violently abducted the American from his home in the Ukrainian village of Mylove. The soldiers allegedly beat and tortured the American in a Russian military compound, where he was held for 10 days in April 2022.

After abducting him, the Russian soldiers allegedly stripped the American naked, tied his hands behind his back and beat him with their fists, feet and the stocks of their guns.

While he was being illegally held by the Russian soldiers, the American was allegedly tortured by the four defendants and other unnamed co-defendants during at least two interrogation sessions. They stripped him naked, severely beat him and photographed him, according to the indictment.

Two of the defendants accused of war crimes against an American in Ukraine were commanding officers of the Russian Armed Forces, while the other two were lower-ranking members in the Russian army, according to the indictment unsealed Wednesday.

The indictment says the American was not fighting in the war and was a protected person under the Geneva Convention of 1949. The American was not named in the indictment.

During the captivity, Russian soldiers allegedly threatened to kill the American, at times pointing guns to his head and a knife to his throat. Russian soldiers also put the American through a “mock execution,” forcing him to the ground, putting a gun to the back of his head and then shooting a bullet just past his head, according to the indictment.

The indictment says the American was threatened with sexual assault as well, and after his answers failed to satisfy the Russian soldiers, some threated him “with death and asked for his last words.” In addition, the American was also put through forced labor, according to the indictment, digging trenches for the Russian military.

“Again and again he believed he was going to die,” Garland said of the American allegedly tortured by Russian soldiers.

The four Russian soldiers – identified as Suren Seiranovich Mkrtchyan, Dmitry Budnik, V Alerii Lnu and Nazar Lnu – have been charged with four counts, including unlawful confinement, conspiracy to commit war crimes, inhuman treatment and torture.

“In the midst of war, Ukrainian prosecutors and investigators have risked their lives to bring justice to the Ukrainian people,” Garland said. “When the time comes, the United States and our partners will be ready to bring accountability to Russia.”

“The rule of law is how we protect people and protect our shared humanity,” he said.

This story has been updated with additional information.

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11,569]

how much of a power move would it be if we could do some 

 

and get one or two of those guys back over here for prosecution.

[AUS-97HORN 11,558]

34 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

and get one or two of those guys back over here for prosecution.

 Just because we know their names, doesnt mean that they have survived the last 18 months since the American got away. This was more symbolic than anything else.

 

Unless they are members of the FSB, or some sort of militiary rear-echelon interrogation squad, The chances any of the 4 of them are still alive after being soldiers anywhere near the front line are pretty damn small.

[Gatorubet 29,789]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

US charges Russian soldiers with war crimes against an American in Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/doj-russia-ukraine-war-crimes/index.html

CNN — 

Four Russian soldiers have been charged with war crimes against an American who was living in Ukraine during the Russian invasion, according to court documents unsealed in federal court in Virginia.

The case against Russian soldiers marks the first time the US government has used a decades-old law aimed to prosecute those who commit war crimes against American citizens.

[MillerEP 30,277]

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/12/6/7431939/
 

He was lying in the snow in a pool of blood: Russian media on assassinated former Ukrainian MP

TETIANA LOZOVENKO — WEDNESDAY, 6 DECEMBER 2023, 18:40

Russian propagandists have disclosed details of the circumstances in which the body of former Ukrainian MP Illia Kyva was found in Moscow Oblast on 6 December.

Source: Kremlin-aligned media outlet Russia Today (RT), citing a source in law enforcement; Investigative Committee of Russia 

Quote: "The body of Illia Kyva was found in a park in the Odintsovo district [a suburb to the west of Moscow - ed.], an RT source in law enforcement said.

The source states that the politician was lying on the snow, covered in blood. He was found to have a stab wound to the right temple and a hematoma on the left side of the face."

Details: The source said Kyva had died at about 15:00, ten minutes before he was found by the staff of a nearby hotel who called emergency services.

Russia’s Investigative Committee reported that it has launched criminal proceedings with respect to Kyva’s murder. 

Quote from the Investigative Committee: "In the evening an unknown individual fired shots at the victim [Kyva] from an unidentified weapon in a park in the country club of Suponevo in the Odintsovo City District. The man died at the scene from his injuries. The victim was identified as Illia Kyva, a former member of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine."

Background: 

A Russian TV channel has reported, citing sources, that Illia Kyva, a former Member of the Ukrainian Parliament, has been found dead in Russia’s Moscow Oblast.
The Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) was responsible for the killing.

 

^Looks like SSU is pulling a Mossad and killing traitors abroad.

Edited December 6, 2023 by MillerEP

[Chad Fuck 17,309]

44 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/12/6/7431939/
 

He was lying in the snow in a pool of blood: Russian media on assassinated former Ukrainian MP

TETIANA LOZOVENKO — WEDNESDAY, 6 DECEMBER 2023, 18:40

Russian propagandists have disclosed details of the circumstances in which the body of former Ukrainian MP Illia Kyva was found in Moscow Oblast on 6 December.

Source: Kremlin-aligned media outlet Russia Today (RT), citing a source in law enforcement; Investigative Committee of Russia 

Quote: "The body of Illia Kyva was found in a park in the Odintsovo district [a suburb to the west of Moscow - ed.], an RT source in law enforcement said.

The source states that the politician was lying on the snow, covered in blood. He was found to have a stab wound to the right temple and a hematoma on the left side of the face."

Details: The source said Kyva had died at about 15:00, ten minutes before he was found by the staff of a nearby hotel who called emergency services.

Russia’s Investigative Committee reported that it has launched criminal proceedings with respect to Kyva’s murder. 

Quote from the Investigative Committee: "In the evening an unknown individual fired shots at the victim [Kyva] from an unidentified weapon in a park in the country club of Suponevo in the Odintsovo City District. The man died at the scene from his injuries. The victim was identified as Illia Kyva, a former member of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine."

Background: 

A Russian TV channel has reported, citing sources, that Illia Kyva, a former Member of the Ukrainian Parliament, has been found dead in Russia’s Moscow Oblast.
The Security Service of Ukraine (SSU) was responsible for the killing.

 

^Looks like SSU is pulling a Mossad and killing traitors abroad.

[BamaATL 16,286]

 

[bolverk 29,105]

The Senate blocked the emergency funding bill for $50 billion in US assistance today. The Pentagon says they have the authority to send $4.8 billion from stockpiles left to get Ukraine through the winter. No idea where we go from here.

[BamaATL 16,286]

5 minutes ago, bolverk said:

The Senate blocked the emergency funding bill for $50 billion in US assistance today. The Pentagon says they have the authority to send $4.8 billion from stockpiles left to get Ukraine through the winter. No idea where we go from here.

Deals in Washington don't get done generally until they have to get done.  I wouldn't fret just yet.  The aid to Ukraine and Israel isn't in question, not even really being negotiated, it's being tied to border security, which is the sticking point.  Senate Dems tried to float this stand alone, which is a non starter with Senate Pubs.  Won't get into right and wrong on that aspect, but it will get done before holiday recess.  

[bolverk 29,105]

7 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Deals in Washington don't get done generally until they have to get done.  I wouldn't fret just yet.  The aid to Ukraine and Israel isn't in question, not even really being negotiated, it's being tied to border security, which is the sticking point.  Senate Dems tried to float this stand alone, which is a non starter with Senate Pubs.  Won't get into right and wrong on that aspect, but it will get done before holiday recess.  

I'm aware of all those details but lack your confidence for reasons I won't go into here. I hope you're right, though.

[InkaUtexas 24,933]

Of course, since they all need their holidays. 

 

[BamaATL 16,286]

12 minutes ago, bolverk said:

I'm aware of all those details but lack your confidence for reasons I won't go into here. I hope you're right, though.

I get your lack of faith in Congress.  However, if the Ukraine aid was a stumbling block, it'd be front and center, and frankly, it isn't.  

[elfenix 34,127]

9 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

did GRUhorn steal the carrot from segal?

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

I'm aware of all those details but lack your confidence for reasons I won't go into here. I hope you're right, though.

Defense industry lobbyists will get it done.

[InkaUtexas 24,933]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Defense industry lobbyists will get it done.

I would tend to agree, but it is not like we are giving them shit off the assembly line.

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

3 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

I would tend to agree, but it is not like we are giving them shit off the assembly line.

They are making money refurbishing them or selling the ammo or parts for them and/or working on backfilling them in some way (or maybe not, we really do have a ton of stuff in storage that we will never use again).  

But some of them are wanting newer stuff in the field, as it's a great advertising platform (witness all the HIMARS sales).

[texastough 1,098]

Its depressing when this thread isn't getting bumped. So here are some more mangled orcs, with some truly moving camera work as a bonus. 

 

[BamaATL 16,286]

Pretty cool

https://interestingengineering.com/military/nano-spy-helicopters-war-of-drones-ukraine?utm_source=Reddit&utm_medium=content&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=Dec07

 

19k per nano helo.  The optics have to give the Uke's a huge advantage.  

[atomheartbevo 89,054]

3 hours ago, texastough said:

Its depressing when this thread isn't getting bumped. So here are some more mangled orcs, with some truly moving camera work as a bonus. 

 

Wow, Russian soldiers still don't give a shit about helping each other out.  I get that they have little training and little motivation to be there, but damn.

[Pescado_Rojo 19,262]

13 hours ago, elfenix said:

did GRUhorn steal the carrot from segal?

What if GRUhorn IS Segal?