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Someone saying "nuclear" and "fire" together makes me break out the google device.

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Fire briefly breaks out on Russian nuclear-powered icebreaker
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December 24, 20233:56 PM CSTUpdated an hour ago

Dec 24 (Reuters) - A fire that broke out on Russia's only nuclear-powered icebreaker and cargo ship was promptly extinguished, the Murmansk branch of the emergency ministry said late on Sunday.

"There were no casualties in the incident," the ministry said on the Telegram messaging app.

The Murmansk region, in Russia's northwest, shares borders with Finland and Norway, as well as with the Barents and White seas.

Earlier, the ministry said that the fire broke out in one of the cabins of the Sevmporput ship in an area of about 30 square meters (323 square feet).

The ship, which entered service in 1988 and went through an extensive upgrade a decade ago, is Russia's only nuclear-powered icebreaking transport ship, according to the Russian state nuclear firm Rosatom.

 

 

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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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A fire that broke out on Russia's only nuclear-powered icebreaker and cargo ship was promptly extinguished, the Murmansk branch of the emergency ministry said late on Sunday.

"There were no casualties in the incident," the ministry said on the Telegram messaging app.

So how many actually died?  10? 20?

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So how contested is the airspace over the battlefield?  Will these kickass American F16’s be able to show us what they do?

The Russian air defense is designed to work real close to it's ground forces, so I suspect we will find out soon.  However, it's been fairly clear that for the past several months this has all be specifically targeted by the Ukrainians.  I imagine the first task will be to eliminate the remaining s300s as a first order of business.  Getting painted will give away position, so it's a risky operation, but think of it like a rope a dope.  I'm not sure how many decoy radar painters we sent them, but I imagine if that is what they will have they will use those, get them painted and attempt to destroy systems based on that.  

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I am far from a modern warfare tactical expert. BUT, if you asked me I'd use the F-16 primarily against Russian bombers launching missiles. Secondary would be an attack missile platform. Third would be fuck up any asshole that thought it would be a good idea to enter your airspace. Again, I'm no expert.

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I think they will be used in Ukraines first true combined arms assault.

 

Deploying the Patriot in the south I think is telling.  They intend on clearing the airspace and Russian air defense in the Kherson region is my guess.  The Patriot system gives them a better shot at flying without being engaged by enemy air to air.  That's my guess anyway.  

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Christmas Moves to Dec. 25 in Ukraine, Another Rebuff of Russia
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church formally changed the main date for the festivities, departing from the Russian tradition of celebrating on Jan. 7, according to the Julian calendar.

Christmas lights flickered on ahead of schedule. Families sang carols a little sooner. And the first presents of the season — by tradition hidden under a pillow or in a boot — appeared two weeks early.

Of Ukraine’s many Western-oriented changes, put in place bit by bit since independence and accelerated during the war, one brought special joy this year: Christmas came early.

After centuries of marking the holiday on Jan. 7 under the Julian church calendar, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church this year formally switched to celebrating on Dec. 25 with most of the rest of Europe — and pointedly not with Russia.

For 6-year-old Darynka, that meant practicing carols early and enjoying the excitement of receiving gifts like a Rainbow High doll and a paint set two weeks earlier than she did than last year.

“I love Christmas!” she said.

Her mother, Halyna Shvets, saw a step toward Europe in the Ukrainian church’s decision to shift the date away from Russia’s tradition, not only for Christmas celebrations but for other religious holidays as well.

“We are really happy,” she said. “Faith in God is a fundamental pillar of our lives. Celebrating Christmas, the birth of Jesus Christ, is an opportunity for us to gather for this beautiful Ukrainian religious tradition.”

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Christmas, like so much else in Ukraine these days, is tightly tangled up in the country’s war with Russia. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church has taken the position that the Julian calendar used in the Russian church does not have religious significance, and that holidays should be celebrated according to the calendar by which people live their daily lives. Even before this year’s formal switch, some Ukrainian Orthodox believers, in the first year after Russia’s invasion, had moved Christmas to December.

Technically, the change in the celebration is a recommendation; individual parishes are deciding when to mark the holiday. But of the roughly 7,500 parishes in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, all but 120 shifted the date of Christmas this year, as Russia’s invasion approaches its second full year.

Most eastern Orthodox churches had already taken this position. After the Ukrainian church’s switch, only four of 15 eastern Orthodox denominations — in Russia, Serbia, Finland and Jerusalem — still follow the Julian calendar, which lags by 13 days owing to a difference in calculating the length of the year. Some religious communities in Greece, Bulgaria and Romania, known as Old Feasters, have also continued to follow the old calendar.

In his Christmas address, President Volodymyr Zelensky noted the second Christmas at war, and the shift in the date so that Orthodox and Catholic Ukrainians will celebrate on the same day. “Today, all Ukrainians are together,” he said. “We all meet Christmas together. On the same date, as one big family, as one nation, as one united country.”

Mr. Zelensky said many Ukrainians would celebrate with empty places at the table for soldiers at the front. All, though, would pray for peace together “without a time difference of two weeks.”

After Ukraine gained independence in 1991, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church split from the Russian Orthodox Church though much of the liturgy and traditions remained similar. In 2018, that split became formal, although one branch of the church remained aligned with Russia.

After the invasion, that branch removed from church documents formal mention of loyalty to the Russian church, but continues to celebrate Christmas in January.

Church leaders and believers say celebrating holidays apart from Russians is a happy change.

“We see that the Moscow Patriarchate creates myths about the Tsar and the Russian world, and people believe them,” said Father Mykhailo Omelian, a spokesman for the Ukrainian church. Celebrating apart from the Russians will help differentiate the Ukrainian branch of orthodoxy, he said.

“This process started in the economic, political, social, and cultural spheres and now comes to the spiritual aspect,” he said. “The religious sphere cannot belong to an aggressor country.”

Most Ukrainians will embrace the switch, Liudmyla Fylypovych, a professor of religion at the Kyiv-Mohyla Academy, said in an interview. Moving from January to December doesn’t alter the meaning of Christmas, she said, adding. “We celebrate not the date but the event” of Jesus’ birth.

Most of the change has gone smoothly, families and church leaders say. Presents, traditionally hidden in shoes or somewhere in a bedroom on St. Nicholas Day on Dec. 6, delighting millions of Ukrainian children.

The rhythm of caroling and performing Christmas plays leaped forward two weeks. On Christmas Eve, children padded around villages or up and down the stairwells of apartment blocks, singing carols and receiving small gifts from those who listened, a tradition carried out now on Dec. 24 instead of Jan. 6.

In another Ukrainian tradition, on Christmas Day, children perform skits of the Nativity story on central streets of their town. Practice began earlier this year.

Cities shifted schedules for hundreds of holiday events. In the western city of Lviv, for example, more than 200 Christmas and New Year’s activities, including the street theater skits on Christmas Day, were organized under the new calendar.

For those who observe it, a preholiday religious fast of refraining from meat also came early this year.

Along the war’s frontline, about 700 Ukrainian Orthodox Church priests who serve as chaplains visited trenches and bunkers to bless troops, Father Mykhailo, the church spokesman, said. They will not hold Christmas mass in areas close to the front, as any congregation of soldiers creates a target for Russian artillery or missiles.

Metropolitan Epiphanius, the leader of the Ukrainian church, will perform mass on Monday in the St. Sophia cathedral in Kyiv. He posted his Christmas prayers online, ahead of the usual schedule.

“Amid the sorrow and suffering of war, amid the pain of losses, we still celebrate,” he planned to say during the liturgy on Monday, “because Christmas for us is not just or not so much a time of entertainment and gifts as a testimony to the victory of truth and goodness and the inevitable defeat of evil.”

His address wrapped up with the usual celebratory words: “Christ is born!”

There were some glitches in the date change. With less school vacation time before Christmas, preparing the holiday meal and its centerpiece — a dish of boiled wheat kernels with nuts and dried fruits — is more hectic, Ms. Shvets said. But that is a minor inconvenience, she added.

“We have been waiting for this for many years,” Ms. Shvets said.

“We are very happy and grateful,” she said. “It’s wonderful for us that we celebrate with the rest of the world.”

 

Christmas photos from Kyiv

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 Santa handing out gifts to children on Friday at a festival in Kyiv, Ukraine.

 

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A kiosk selling mulled wine at a Soviet-era amusement park in Kyiv.

 

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Ice skating at the amusement park.

 

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Ukrainian soldiers from the 47th Brigade gathering on Christmas Eve for Koliada, a traditional meeting of friends and neighbors involving the exchange of good wishes, special dishes, small gifts and songs, at a military base in the eastern Donetsk region.

 

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A festive meal prepared by Ukrainian soldiers from the 47th Brigade during Koliada in the eastern Donetsk region.

 

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A mass at St. Michael’s Golden-Domed Monastery, in Kyiv, on Christmas Eve.

 

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Ukranians attend a mass at St. Michael’s Golden-Domed Monastery, in Kyiv, on Sunday.

 

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A performance of “Mavka,” a popular Ukrainian fairy tale, during a winter holiday festival in Kyiv.

 

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Enjoying the performance.

 

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A father playing with his daughter at the festival.

 

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A winter festival in Kyiv.

 

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The Russian air defense is designed to work real close to it's ground forces, so I suspect we will find out soon.  However, it's been fairly clear that for the past several months this has all be specifically targeted by the Ukrainians.  I imagine the first task will be to eliminate the remaining s300s as a first order of business.  Getting painted will give away position, so it's a risky operation, but think of it like a rope a dope.  I'm not sure how many decoy radar painters we sent them, but I imagine if that is what they will have they will use those, get them painted and attempt to destroy systems based on that.  

Can you explain .. slower.. like I’m regarded 

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Well, there just a few concepts really to understand, the first being of a doctrinal nature.

1.  The Russians systems are designed with the idea in mind that would create safe air space above the combat zone in order to protect your own troops.  The reason for this is during Soviet times they had a superior numbers advantage in terms of armor.  We tend to think of air combat as something we use in advance of ground troops to cut supply and cripple logistics.  They tend to think of air power as complimentary to ground forces, again likely because of the numbers superiority they had during Soviet times.  The general thought is that even if we got air behind their lines, the troops and the armor would still be there, and those damaged supply lines can be repaired.  Where as we would trade ground for tactical reasons, they view taking and holding ground as the highest priority.  Part of the way you do that is by ensuring the troops in that area are protected.  In some ways, I respect the ingenuity they had for systems.  They take good platforms and multi task them, like the SU 25 which is a jack of all trades air platform designed to be used in air space they control.  It's sturdy, and can be used as a light bomber, anti armor, anti infantry support aircraft.  Jack of all trades, yet master of none, but it's cost effective that way.  The s300 is that way as well, primarily anti air, but can be used as a ground to ground strike system; it's a mobile system, designed to advance with the infantry, not far behind the lines to create that "safe" combat zone.  

2.  So in order to disrupt their "safe" combat system and make it susceptible to airstrikes the Ukrainians will need to engage the system itself.  The Russian's use several systems at once, rotate them, and then move them a lot.  It winds up being a rotating layered defense.   However, it has a weakness.  When it's active and tracking aircraft it's getting painted as well, telling use where it is (again hence their rotation and constant movement).  We have decoys we can launch, from the F16 platform, that if they light it up with radar, we know their exact position and can strike it.   The trick is, in order to engage their systems, someone has to get close enough to get them to activate it and potentially be fired at.  So basically the rope part is flying near enough to get them activate it, the dope part is firing decoys to paint as much of the system as possible, and the boom part is then striking it.  

If you can accomplish all this, their infantry (and what is left of their armor) is virtually defenseless against air power.  If you can clear lanes of infantry,armor and artillery, you can take your time clearing mine fields and bringing in your armor and infantry.  

In any event, I suspect the Patriot system is deployed southerly to give the F16 pilots the opportunity to focus mainly on the ground air defense in that area.  

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Radars emit microwaves when they track airborne targets. The US has developed anti-radiation missiles (e.g. the AGM-88 HARM) that will follow the microwaves back to the emitter, ie. the radar installation.

There are planes that fly “wild weasel” missions. Their task is to get enemy radars to track and lock onto them. Then they fire the HARM and GTFO of Dodge.

It’s likely the US has also given Ukraine decoys that mimic airplanes. So the hope is the radars lock onto the decoys instead of the planes themselves.

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I’m assuming that all of the hydraulic and electrical systems on those large cranes are now inoperable as well, considering the scope and heat of the fire - (hopefully.)   If so, that may result in a bigger long-term problem for the port than just one ship and its cargo.

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Erdogan and his party are still being dicks and slow-playing Sweden's accession into NATO.

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Turkey’s Parliament Resumes Talks on Sweden’s NATO Bid, Still in Limbo
Turkey has been slow walking approval of Sweden’s accession to the alliance as Ankara seeks concessions from other members.

The foreign affairs committee of Turkey’s Parliament on Tuesday resumed talks on Sweden’s bid to join NATO, a process that Turkish officials have been slow walking for months.

Yet there were no indications that Tuesday’s discussion would significantly advance the process, which Turkey has repeatedly delayed, saying that Sweden, the United States and Canada all needed to meet Turkish demands.

Both Sweden and Finland applied to join NATO, a process that requires unanimous support from the alliance’s 31 member states, last year after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Turkey initially blocked them both, and although it has since relented on Finland, paving the way for that country to join NATO in March, Turkey has continued to hold out on Sweden.

Multiple NATO leaders have said that Sweden has done all that is needed to join, and Turkey’s repeated delays in approving Sweden’s entry have exasperated other members of the alliance, who view Turkey as leveraging its position for domestic gain.

The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in addition to arguing that Sweden needs to crack down more on dissidents whom his country considers terrorists, has linked approval of Sweden’s accession to disputes that Turkey has with other NATO members.

From the United States, Turkey wants a $20 billion package of American-made F-16 fighter jets and upgrade kits for jets that it already has. The Biden administration has said that it supports the sale, but members of Congress have objected, citing Turkey’s human rights record and its stance on Sweden.

Mr. Erdogan has also noted that the decision on Sweden lies with the Turkish Parliament, not with him, although his party and its political allies hold a commanding share of votes that could easily pass the measure.

“If you have your Congress, I have my Parliament,” Mr. Erdogan told Turkish journalists in comments published on Dec. 8. “You say you will take a step in the F-16 issue after passing through Congress. I also have a Parliament.”

He also suggested that both matters be settled at the same time.

“If we are two NATO allies, then do what you have to simultaneously, in solidarity, and our Parliament will take the necessary decision,” he said.

Mr. Erdogan has also tried to use Sweden’s NATO bid to pressure Canada, another NATO member, which has imposed export restrictions on optical equipment that Turkey uses in its drones.

“On the issue of drone cameras we wanted from them, Canada is insisting: Sweden, Sweden,” Mr. Erdogan said.

It remains unclear whether enough progress has been made in private discussions between Turkey, Canada and the United States to persuade Mr. Erdogan to push his Parliament to approve Sweden’s NATO bid.

For the measure to move forward, the Parliament’s foreign affairs committee must approve it, and it must then be scheduled for a full parliamentary vote. The committee has discussed the issue before, but there is no fixed timeline for any of the steps.

The only other NATO member still to approve Sweden’s accession is Hungary, although Hungarian officials have said that they will follow Turkey’s lead.

 

 

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