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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

They’ve partly been trying to preserve the 18-25 crowd as much as possible, hoping they’ll make lots of babies as well as keeping their economy going.

I get that as a long-term concern since it's already been discussed quite a bit, but the issue of being invaded with the risk of losing the entire eastern half of the country seems a bit more pressing right now. Again, I don't like giving them too much shit over it, but this is an all-out war.

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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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Allies and partners can replace almost everything except dead Ukrainians. They can’t be replaced, they are the future of the country and the future security providers against Russia no matter what happens. Whether this ends on favorable or unfavorable terms. 


What is maddening about the delayed aid is that it’s forcing Ukraine to expend more of its most precious resource, which is people.  In a defensive struggle you can trade space, mass, and firepower for time.  Ukraine has to choose mass because trading for space means more dead civilians and they don’t have superior firepower.  This goes against NATO doctrine and planning which has always been to trade for space until superior firepower can arrive in theater and be brought to bear.

Back to the issue of saving the younger generation. This goes deep to Ukrainian roots and reality. First, Ukraine was an aging, emigre society before the war. They are not a Middle East insurgent nation with an excess of young males. 
 

Second- the deeply agrarian Ukrainians recall the trauma of the Great Famine and Holodomor. First the Ukrainians ate their seed grain. Then they ate the dead, then they starved.  A European peasant never eats the seed grain until there is no choice. You eat the livestock, you eat the aging milk-cow, you eat grass and bark to survive the winter before you eat seed grain.

The remaining young Ukrainians are the seed grain of a nation and we need to stop pressing them to consume their seed grain as we find excuses not to donate .0003 percent of our GDP in firepower.

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Don’t wanna go down the CR road, but I think it’s fair on the DT thread to highlight how this sounds to Ukrainians:

”We are having a political debate in the West over whether we can send you our outdated stuff in storage.  Have you considered destroying more of what you’re trying to save in the interim?” 
 

A country is people and territory.  Ukraine has to save as much of both as it can. 

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Allies and partners can replace almost everything except dead Ukrainians. They can’t be replaced, they are the future of the country and the future security providers against Russia no matter what happens. Whether this ends on favorable or unfavorable terms. 


What is maddening about the delayed aid is that it’s forcing Ukraine to expend more of its most precious resource, which is people.  In a defensive struggle you can trade space, mass, and firepower for time.  Ukraine has to choose mass because trading for space means more dead civilians and they don’t have superior firepower.  This goes against NATO doctrine and planning which has always been to trade for space until superior firepower can arrive in theater and be brought to bear.

Back to the issue of saving the younger generation. This goes deep to Ukrainian roots and reality. First, Ukraine was an aging, emigre society before the war. They are not a Middle East insurgent nation with an excess of young males. 
 

Second- the deeply agrarian Ukrainians recall the trauma of the Great Famine and Holodomor. First the Ukrainians ate their seed grain. Then they ate the dead, then they starved.  A European peasant never eats the seed grain until there is no choice. You eat the livestock, you eat the aging milk-cow, you eat grass and bark to survive the winter before you eat seed grain.

The remaining young Ukrainians are the seed grain of a nation and we need to stop pressing them to consume their seed grain as we find excuses not to donate .0003 percent of our GDP in firepower.

That's helpful for understanding the rationale a little better. Thanks for the context.

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2 hours ago, bolverk said:

I really hesitate to criticize Ukraine too much, but this issue has puzzled me.

I have heard plenty of reasons, but none that I have been satisfied with. But, if it has been solved, it provides some comfort.

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On your phone?

 

Good call, but with my luck it would show up as a quick link on my iPhone and I would have to get one of the girls here to show me how to make it disappear.

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Multiple explosions and a significant fire have been reported at the Dzhankoi military airfield in Crimea, a location where three Russian aviation squadrons are reportedly based.

 

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Russia's military death toll in Ukraine has now passed the 50,000 mark - the BBC can confirm.

In the second 12 months on the front line - as Moscow pushed its so-called meat grinder strategy - we found the body count was nearly 25% higher than in the first year.

BBC Russian, independent media group Mediazona and volunteers have been counting deaths since February 2022.

New graves in cemeteries helped provide the names of many soldiers.

Our teams also combed through open-source information from official reports, newspapers and social media.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-68819853

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Fucking murderers.

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Three Russian missiles slammed into a downtown area of the northern Ukrainian city of Chernihiv on Wednesday, hitting an eight-floor apartment building and killing at least 14 people, authorities said.

At least 61 people, including two children, were wounded in the morning attack, Ukrainian emergency services said. Chernihiv lies about 150 kilometers (90 miles) north of the capital, Kyiv, near the border with Russia and Belarus, and has a population of around 250,000 people.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-chernihiv-missile-strike-drones-2eaf2f93ad447bce3ea2d8f9631c554b

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At some point the UN or whoever is gonna say this all meets the legal definition of genocide.  Then maybe we can truly lock those aholes out of the World community.

 

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Specifically, here's how the international community defines these various crimes.

Just go bullet by bullet to identify all of the shit we've seen.  

 

 

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GENOCIDE

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  • Killing members of the group;
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

 

 

 

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CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

  1. For the purpose of this Statute, ‘crime against humanity’ means any of the following acts when committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against any civilian population, with knowledge of the attack:
    1. Murder;
    2. Extermination;
    3. Enslavement;
    4. Deportation or forcible transfer of population;
    5. Imprisonment or other severe deprivation of physical liberty in violation of fundamental rules of international law;
    6. Torture;
    7. Rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence of comparable gravity;
    8. Persecution against any identifiable group or collectivity on political, racial, national, ethnic, cultural, religious, gender as defined in paragraph 3, or other grounds that are universally recognized as impermissible under international law, in connection with any act referred to in this paragraph or any crime within the jurisdiction of the Court;
    9. Enforced disappearance of persons;
    10. The crime of apartheid;
    11. Other inhumane acts of a similar character intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health.
  2. For the purpose of paragraph 1:
    1. ‘Attack directed against any civilian population’ means a course of conduct involving the multiple commission of acts referred to in paragraph 1 against any civilian population, pursuant to or in furtherance of a State or organizational policy to commit such attack;

 

 

 

 

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WAR CRIMES

  1. The Court shall have jurisdiction in respect of war crimes in particular when committed as part of a plan or policy or as part of a large-scale commission of such crimes.
  2. For the purpose of this Statute, ‘war crimes’ means:
    1. Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:
      1. Wilful killing
      2. Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;
      3. Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;
      4. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
      5. Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;
      6. Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;
      7. Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;
      8. Taking of hostages.
    2. Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
      1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
      2. Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;
      3. Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;
      4. Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
      5. Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;
      6. Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;
      7. Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury;
      8. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
      9. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
      10. Subjecting persons who are in the power of an adverse party to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are neither justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the person concerned nor carried out in his or her interest, and which cause death to or seriously endanger the health of such person or persons;
      11. Killing or wounding treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army;
      12. Declaring that no quarter will be given;
      13. Destroying or seizing the enemy's property unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;
      14. Declaring abolished, suspended or inadmissible in a court of law the rights and actions of the nationals of the hostile party;
      15. Compelling the nationals of the hostile party to take part in the operations of war directed against their own country, even if they were in the belligerent's service before the commencement of the war;
      16. Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault;
      17. Employing poison or poisoned weapons;
      18. Employing asphyxiating, poisonous or other gases, and all analogous liquids, materials or devices;
      19. Employing bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions;
      20. Employing weapons, projectiles and material and methods of warfare which are of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering or which are inherently indiscriminate in violation of the international law of armed conflict, provided that such weapons, projectiles and material and methods of warfare are the subject of a comprehensive prohibition and are included in an annex to this Statute, by an amendment in accordance with the relevant provisions set forth in articles 121 and 123;
      21. Committing outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;
      22. Committing rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, as defined in article 7, paragraph 2 (f), enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence also constituting a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions;
      23. Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations;
      24. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law;
      25. Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions;
      26. Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into the national armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities.
    3. In the case of an armed conflict not of an international character, serious violations of article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts committed against persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention or any other cause:
      1. Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
      2. Committing outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;
      3. Taking of hostages;
      4. The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgement pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all judicial guarantees which are generally recognized as indispensable.
    4. Paragraph 2 (c) applies to armed conflicts not of an international character and thus does not apply to situations of internal disturbances and tensions, such as riots, isolated and sporadic acts of violence or other acts of a similar nature.
    5. Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in armed conflicts not of an international character, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:
      1. Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
      2. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law;
      3. Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;
      4. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
      5. Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault;
      6. Committing rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, as defined in article 7, paragraph 2 (f), enforced sterilization, and any other form of sexual violence also constituting a serious violation of article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions;
      7. Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into armed forces or groups or using them to participate actively in hostilities;
      8. Ordering the displacement of the civilian population for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand;
      9. Killing or wounding treacherously a combatant adversary;
      10. Declaring that no quarter will be given;
      11. Subjecting persons who are in the power of another party to the conflict to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are neither justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the person concerned nor carried out in his or her interest, and which cause death to or seriously endanger the health of such person or persons;
      12. Destroying or seizing the property of an adversary unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of the conflict;
    6. Paragraph 2 (e) applies to armed conflicts not of an international character and thus does not apply to situations of internal disturbances and tensions, such as riots, isolated and sporadic acts of violence or other acts of a similar nature. It applies to armed conflicts that take place in the territory of a State when there is protracted armed conflict between governmental authorities and organized armed groups or between such groups.
  3. Nothing in paragraph 2 (c) and (e) shall affect the responsibility of a Government to maintain or re-establish law and order in the State or to defend the unity and territorial integrity of the State, by all legitimate means.

 

 

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ETHNIC CLEANSING

As ethnic cleansing has not been recognized as an independent crime under international law, there is no precise definition of this concept or the exact acts to be qualified as ethnic cleansing. A United Nations Commission of Experts mandated to look into violations of international humanitarian law committed in the territory of the former Yugoslavia defined ethnic cleansing in its interim report S/25274 as "… rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area." In its final report S/1994/674, the same Commission described ethnic cleansing as “… a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas.”

The Commission of Experts also stated that the coercive practices used to remove the civilian population can include: murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extrajudicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, severe physical injury to civilians, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, use of civilians as human shields, destruction of property, robbery of personal property, attacks on hospitals, medical personnel, and locations with the Red Cross/Red Crescent emblem, among others.

The Commission of Experts added that these practices can “… constitute crimes against humanity and can be assimilated to specific war crimes. Furthermore, such acts could also fall within the meaning of the Genocide Convention.”

 

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20 minutes ago, Parliament said:

A good argument for the theory that political beliefs are a horseshoe. (No CR)

I think it's more accurate to frame it as the outcomes of extreme beliefs tend to be the same, but I certainly don't see an equivalency in beliefs or values between the current extremes

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2 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

I don’t know all this fancy international law stuff, but it would seem that Russia blowing up infrastructure shit in Germany is kind of Article 5-ish. 

It only matters if they are willing to do something.  It will mostly be rhetoric and appeasement.  

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