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[BamaATL 16592]

49 minutes ago, B00M said:

With Modi trying to play both sides, making him think about the innocent Ukrainian children killed by the Russian Terrorist state he continues to fund is a great strategy. We’re either going to discover Modi is just as inhumane as Putin, or he’ll suddenly oppose buying cheap resources from Russia. I realize it’s not that simple, as Modi ultimately has to act in the best interest of India and they’re competing with China, but sometimes doing the right thing ends up being in your country’s best interest

Ask Muslims in India how much Modi gives a shit about innocents and children.  

[PTINS 3425]

21 hours ago, crash_davis said:

Video of the ship before it became a submarine. 

https://streamable.com/dgqloa

The Konro Trader was a "Roll On-Roll Off" transport ship, set up to load and unload railcars. A satellite photo from 2013 shows the Kavkaz Port. The recent photo's indicate the Konro Trader was similar to the ship on the south side of the dock, and was berthed on the north side of the dock, where it sank.

The reports stated in was loaded with ~ 30 tank cars. It looks like it could carry 50 tank cars, or smaller quantities of larger rail cars. A tank car holds ~ 30,000 gal, so the missile hit and sank the ferry, along with 30-50 tank/rail cars,  with ~ 1,000,000 gallons of fuel, and probably some ammunition & other supplies. I read Russia had 3 ferries, with 2 reportedly sank and the last one was damaged earlier in the year and was being repaired.

Losing the roll on-off capability is huge, with the alternative being to load individual tractor trailers that take up more space and are limited to 10,000 gallon cargos.  I remember early in the SMO, the tank trucks targeted were a "notable" number, and I expect the inventory is low given Russia's preference on rail service.

Like the absence of NCO's, I don't believe Russia has the equivalent of independent tuckers like the US has. 

Yet another case of their antiquated logistic's network going to shit.

Lose a refinery unit or two? No biggie. A few storage depots and terminals? Okay.  A couple of rail bridges? Hum? The pawns are almost all gone. Now, they are losing bigger chess pieces. The cumulative effect of losing the bits and pieces in the fuel supply chain is starting to add up.

FAFO.

 

[PTINS 3425]

3 hours ago, JMFP said:

At this point I would be tempted to not blow up the Kerch Bridge and march on to Georgia to claim the whole coast line and southern part of Russia all the way to the Caspian.

 

Realistically, it would probably mirror Kurst in the last 3 weeks. But it has the equivalent or cornering an apex predator, with a Halloween mask and plastic fangs.

And nukes.

Yeah, sanctions are one thing. Physically taking over their oil export assets is a different ball game.  That basically kills their economy. A stray missile or two, and the world economy is put in play.

Even with sanctions in place, more than half of Russia's pre-war exports are finding their way into the market place. Price is negotiable. Supply is not. 

 

Believe it. Or not. That is all that matters. To the US, China, Europe, SE Asia, to the industrialized world.

Like it or not, most will 'accept?' war crimes, as long as it isn't against them, and as long as their day to day life isn't impacted. 

But, once you've identified the end points, you know how far you can go before you get to the middle. Belgorod is well within that space.

"I'm gonna be watching you."

[InkaUtexas 25169]

So got the bad guys, freed some of the hostages? Oh, russian rescue. Also, why does the BBC show Ukraine in the map? Come on BBC, get your cartography shit together.

Four prison employees have been killed after prisoners staged a revolt in a Russian penal colony and took hostages, federal authorities say.

Special forces stormed the IK-19 Surovikino facility in the southwestern Volgograd region after knife-wielding prisoners, who identified themselves as Islamic State (IS) militants, claimed to have taken control of the sprawling complex.

Authorities said the special forces operation had freed some hostages and "neutralised" all the attackers, but later confirmed that four prison employees had died.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2yp4gg0z5o

[BamaATL 16592]

Interesting @PTINS

I still have to think it wouldn't take too much to equip a drone with an RPG that fires upon contact with something like this.  You'd be trading payload for it, but the bomb is actually the fuel or gas.  

[Parliament 14062]

6 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Interesting @PTINS

I still have to think it wouldn't take too much to equip a drone with an RPG that fires upon contact with something like this.  You'd be trading payload for it, but the bomb is actually the fuel or gas.  

 

[MillerEP 30306]

https://www.threads.net/@nickmelnick.osint/post/C_BWf1joi17?xmt=AQGzVf18MK4aeS_44-S-iHhq-op2ce6ZuLgBlicLJpxJWg

🇺🇦Ukrainian FPV drones are destroying 🇷🇺Russian vehicles near pontoon crossings in the Kursk region.

 

https://www.threads.net/@nafo_wrangler/post/C_ANTrDODOn?xmt=AQGzVf18MK4aeS_44-S-iHhq-op2ce6ZuLgBlicLJpxJWg

Ukrainian aviation operates on the Russian platoon base in the Kursk region

[InkaUtexas 25169]

Modi needs to worry about his own shit. Kashmir, border with China, rampant rape, hunger, all the wonders of India. Maybe stop buying russian shit? Already started with weapons, keep going with Oil.

The first visit by an Indian prime minister in modern Ukrainian history came at a volatile juncture in the war launched by Russia in February 2022. Moscow is making slow gains in eastern Ukraine as Kyiv presses a cross-border incursion.

 

The optics closely resembled the Indian leader's visit to Moscow last month where he called for peace and embraced Russian President Vladimir Putin, angering Ukraine, where a Russian missile strike hit a children's hospital on the same day.

"The road to resolution can only be found through dialogue and diplomacy. And we should move in that direction without wasting any time. Both sides should sit together to find a way out of this crisis," Modi said in Kyiv.

 

"I want to assure you that India is ready to play an active role in any efforts towards peace. If I can play any role in this personally, I will do that, I want to assure you as a friend," he said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/indian-pm-modi-set-visit-kyiv-talks-with-ukraines-zelenskiy-2024-08-23/

 

 

 

[Gatorubet 29915]

What kerosene tanks doing?

[MillerEP 30306]

https://www.threads.net/@nafo_wrangler/post/C_Ar8nLOgFy?xmt=AQGzVf18MK4aeS_44-S-iHhq-op2ce6ZuLgBlicLJpxJWg

Satellite view of the Kamaz ferryHahahhahah

 

https://www.threads.net/@mx_ukr/post/C_BLtFLvr7_?xmt=AQGzVf18MK4aeS_44-S-iHhq-op2ce6ZuLgBlicLJpxJWg

The ZSU is in the move again in Kursk.

[KYHorn 16751]

New sanctions and aid forthcoming 

US unveils massive tranche of sanctions targeting Russia

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/us-sanctions-russia/index.html 

Spoiler

The United States on Friday unveiled a massive tranche of sanctions in the latest effort to target Russia's war machine as the war with Ukraine continues.

The sanctions from the US Treasury and State Departments hit nearly 400 people and entities both in and outside Russia, including China.

The sanctions – unveiled ahead of Ukrainian Independence Day – specifically target those supporting the Russian supply chain and defense base, as well as those helping Moscow to evade current sanctions. The US is also expected to announce additional security assistance to Ukraine on Friday, National Security Council Communications Adviser John Kirby said.

"We continue to support Ukraine's fight for their independence, and independence that that they have had to defend pretty mightily here over the last two and a half years," Kirby told reporters Friday morning. "And so, I suspect that as we officially mark their Independence Day … you'll see that we will back up that philosophical support for their independence with more tangible support as well, including in particular more security assistance coming to Ukraine to help them as they defend themselves."

Friday's slew of sanctions specifically crack down on a number of Chinese-based companies. The US and its European partners have expressed strong concern about Beijing's support for Russia's war economy and its export of dual-use items for use in the war in Ukraine.

July's NATO Summit declaration called Beijing "a decisive enabler of Russia's war against Ukraine" and warned that China "cannot enable the largest war in Europe in recent history without this negatively impacting its interests and reputation." US officials said they had warned their Chinese counterparts about the risk of supporting Moscow's war effort.

A State Department fact sheet said it remains "concerned by the magnitude of dual-use goods exports from the PRC to Russia," using the acronym for China's formal name, the People's Republic of China.

"Russia continues to leverage sanctions evasion and circumvention networks" to get microelectronics and machine tools "which it uses to make weapons," it said. "Imports from the PRC are filling critical gaps in Russia's defense production cycle, thereby enabling it to produce weapons, ramp up defense production, and bolster its military-industrial base."

"Today, the Department is also designating several PRC-based entities that have supplied goods supporting Russia's war effort, including ones responsible for developing, producing, and supplying manufacturing equipment to entities based in Russia," the fact sheet said.

Treasury said it is targeting "numerous transnational networks, including those involved in procuring ammunition and military materiel for Russia, facilitating sanctions evasion for Russian oligarchs through offshore trust and corporate formation services, evading sanctions imposed on Russia's cyber actors, laundering gold for a sanctioned Russian gold company, and supporting Russia's military-industrial base by procuring sensitive and critical items such as advanced machine tools and electronic components."

It is "also targeting Russian financial technology companies that provide necessary software and IT solutions for Russia's financial sector," the press release said.

At the same time, the State Department "is targeting entities and individuals involved in Russia's future energy, metals, and mining production and exports; sanctions evasion; Russia's military-industrial base, including armed unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) production, Belarusian support for Russia's war effort, and air logistics entities; additional subsidiaries of State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom; and malign actors involved in the attempted, forcible ‘re-education' of Ukraine's children," the Treasury Department press release said.

The new round of sanctions come as Ukraine has launched an audacious incursion into Russia's Kursk region that has left Moscow on the back foot for the first time in months. On Tuesday, Ukrainian military chief Oleksandr Syrskyi said troops had advanced up to 35 kilometers (21.7 miles) through Russian defenses since the start of their surprise assault, capturing 93 settlements.

Kirby said Friday that "it's too soon to know whether what's going on in Kursk … the potential impact that that could have in terms of escalation, but it is something that we remain concerned about."

 

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1 hour ago, MillerEP said:

https://www.threads.net/@mx_ukr/post/C_BLtFLvr7_?xmt=AQGzVf18MK4aeS_44-S-iHhq-op2ce6ZuLgBlicLJpxJWg

The ZSU is in the move again in Kursk.

Still so weird yet so cool seeing Humvees rolling through Russia.

[MillerEP 30306]

https://www.threads.net/@mx_ukr/post/C_A8D5aJ4pD?xmt=AQGz6cgT-aRa0cbSbVSWecGD5hfu8NLDVnG2H7L4dmFkcg

Two major embassies have warned their nationals of an attack

 

^RuZZia is planning something

 

https://www.threads.net/@titusnation/post/C_BigXfSU09?xmt=AQGzIeGRUhTYlPPhRg8fKsfEeeunUhLWDYUZRkojuZEUqQ

🔥 The 46th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is halting a Russian offensive in the Donetsk region and destroying a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle.

 

 

[MillerEP 30306]

https://www.threads.net/@ociubotaru/post/C_Bje9utYQx?xmt=AQGzIeGRUhTYlPPhRg8fKsfEeeunUhLWDYUZRkojuZEUqQ

Not all anti-drone solutions are high-tech.
Good old airplanes and helicopters [like in this video] with an operator shooting down the drone still do the job.

 

https://www.threads.net/@kyivindependent_official/post/C_Bbfb0Njfh?xmt=AQGzZSHIumsL-_GrS-5zgWDuOhZ5R8v78Cs7PjZzgjl7_g

⚡️Norway to finance production of NATO-standard artillery shells in Ukraine.
The Norwegian government will provide Kyiv with its defense technology and finance the production of 155-millimeter artillery shells developed by the Nammo (Nordic Ammunition Company) in Ukraine, according to its Aug. 23 statement.

[InkaUtexas 25169]

44 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

https://www.threads.net/@mx_ukr/post/C_A8D5aJ4pD?xmt=AQGz6cgT-aRa0cbSbVSWecGD5hfu8NLDVnG2H7L4dmFkcg

Two major embassies have warned their nationals of an attack

 

^RuZZia is planning something

 

https://www.threads.net/@titusnation/post/C_BigXfSU09?xmt=AQGzIeGRUhTYlPPhRg8fKsfEeeunUhLWDYUZRkojuZEUqQ

🔥 The 46th Brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is halting a Russian offensive in the Donetsk region and destroying a tank and an infantry fighting vehicle.

 

 

names china. Who is the other? Forget it, opened up the other link. Would think US would be forefront as a push for weapons.

Edited August 23 by InkaUtexas
i don't readd well sumtimes.

[General Specific 3169]

Yes that is correct.  A war weary US populous and Patton's own hubris prevented that, on whole.  There were other factors, but the most notably Patton, as popular as he was with his own men, was equally disdained by the Brittish and basically forced into retirement.  That is one reason why his death was so eery.  Some believe it was a hit, I do not.  But he was not well liked and the command and control of that theatre was ready for him to go back to the states.

I don’t know man, but one could make the argument that this is but act three for that theater. One has to seriously ponder what could have been.

[MillerEP 30306]

https://www.threads.net/@meanwhile_in_ua/post/C_A_EpsIN-x?xmt=AQGzvA4vf4eQu9C-73X07zght2HaXTCWfFWjUxhMawACRg

Russians hiding, scared...
They probably expected that the Ukrainians would act as the russian army did in Ukraine.

 

^Russian society has done a number on their people.

 

https://www.threads.net/@nafo_wrangler/post/C_AR4aWuyMK?xmt=AQGzFfii6BgWi0-gvFEwwpFT_PCTKCQRiAWl9V_tpl-Qyg

In Proletarsk, the fire spread to kerosene tanks - katsapZMI
According to katsaps, this is even more dangerous than the diesel.
Hahahahahahahah
Hahahahahhahahah
Hahahahhahah
 

[wd40 1976]

4 hours ago, PTINS said:

 

Realistically, it would probably mirror Kurst in the last 3 weeks. But it has the equivalent or cornering an apex predator, with a Halloween mask and plastic fangs.

And nukes.

Yeah, sanctions are one thing. Physically taking over their oil export assets is a different ball game.  That basically kills their economy. A stray missile or two, and the world economy is put in play.

Even with sanctions in place, more than half of Russia's pre-war exports are finding their way into the market place. Price is negotiable. Supply is not. 

 

Believe it. Or not. That is all that matters. To the US, China, Europe, SE Asia, to the industrialized world.

Like it or not, most will 'accept?' war crimes, as long as it isn't against them, and as long as their day to day life isn't impacted. 

But, once you've identified the end points, you know how far you can go before you get to the middle. Belgorod is well within that space.

"I'm gonna be watching you."

Dear Charlie:

your whole Kurt Bohls bit was epic, but this is war we're talking about here.

Thx,

wd

[BamaATL 16592]

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[The Dog 43653]

[MillerEP 30306]

https://www.threads.net/@kyivindependent_official/post/C_BgmDCt-qb?xmt=AQGz5_3ev9KdPyWzAdsiOjTjYmdxhUfs2PIYSAfHDhySdA

⚡️Ukrainian forces storm penal colony in Kursk Oblast where Ukrainian prisoners were held, human rights activists say.The seizure of the penal colony will be an important step in documenting war crimes committed by Russia against prisoners of war, the Media Initiative for Human Rights reported on Aug. 23.

 

https://www.threads.net/@kyivindependent_official/post/C_BN5VVNB21?xmt=AQGzScPI92jL2YJgjMnjWcZElvZsPSu4sBNTaYRMi3_Hng

⚡️South Africa blocks artillery shell delivery to Poland due to fear of them being transferred to Ukraine, media says.Warsaw ordered 50,000 155-millimeter shells from the South African company Denel Munition, a subsidiary of the German arms manufacturer Rheinmetall, in which it holds a 51% stake.The Polish Defense Ministry, in response to a request from Rzeczpospolita, said that the agreement was terminated on Aug. 20, 2023, due to "problems with the subcontractor's execution."

 

[Laxtonto 11883]

36 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

LZ3 would be to keep the forces in Melitpol from rolling up on the troops west.

Blocking force over the Deniper would ensure that the force driving up from Armyasnk has to engage with the troops from Kherson proper instead of contesting the landings the at LZ1 and LZ2.

I did not expect the amphibious landings of LZ1&2 as a major salient, but they may be a token force or something of substance. It is hard to tell with something like this. Amphibious assaults and the required coordination at large scale are extremely hard to pull off and should be something that would be instantly sniffed out days before the attack due to the need to mass-landing craft/boats to be able to make a move in mass to be effective.  But the battle plan is pretty obvious. Hopefully, they noticed an approach to roll up many Russian troops dug in on the banks of the Dnieper and this is so obvious that if forces a withdrawal or a quick encirclement of the Russian troops and so this makes sense to attempt a major amphibious landing.

 

If this is true and is the real move and not a feint, godspeed, and good luck.

Edited August 23 by Laxtonto

[Dahobbs 17314]

55 minutes ago, The Dog said:

I cant tell what this is suggesting. 100 aircraft would be every single airframe Ukraine has, including transports and helicopters. 

[BamaATL 16592]

36 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

 

LZ3 would be to keep the forces in Melitpol from rolling up on the troops west.

Blocking force over the Deniper would ensure that the force driving up from Armyasnk has to engage with the troops from Kherson proper instead of contesting the landings the at LZ1 and LZ2.

I did not expect the amphibious landings of LZ1&2 as a major salient, but they may be a token force or something of substance. It is hard to tell with something like this. Amphibious assaults and the required coordination at large scale are extremely hard to pull off and should be something that would be instantly sniffed out days before the attack due to the need to mass-landing craft/boats to be able to make a move in mass to be effective.  But the battle plan is pretty obvious. Hopefully, they noticed an approach to roll up many Russian troops dug in on the banks of the Dnieper and this is so obvious that if forces a withdrawal or a quick encirclement of the Russian troops and so this makes sense to attempt a major amphibious landing.

 

If this is true and is the real move and not a feint, godspeed, and good luck.

LZ 3 I think will be critical to tie up reserves.  God Speed.  

 

[KYHorn 16751]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

 

1 hour ago, Laxtonto said:

 

LZ3 would be to keep the forces in Melitpol from rolling up on the troops west.

Blocking force over the Deniper would ensure that the force driving up from Armyasnk has to engage with the troops from Kherson proper instead of contesting the landings the at LZ1 and LZ2.

I did not expect the amphibious landings of LZ1&2 as a major salient, but they may be a token force or something of substance. It is hard to tell with something like this. Amphibious assaults and the required coordination at large scale are extremely hard to pull off and should be something that would be instantly sniffed out days before the attack due to the need to mass-landing craft/boats to be able to make a move in mass to be effective.  But the battle plan is pretty obvious. Hopefully, they noticed an approach to roll up many Russian troops dug in on the banks of the Dnieper and this is so obvious that if forces a withdrawal or a quick encirclement of the Russian troops and so this makes sense to attempt a major amphibious landing.

 

If this is true and is the real move and not a feint, godspeed, and good luck.

 

46 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

I cant tell what this is suggesting. 100 aircraft would be every single airframe Ukraine has, including transports and helicopters. 

Secret squirrel is prone to hyperbole and getting ahead of his skis. I'd take it with some salt for now.

Edited August 23 by KYHorn

[BamaATL 16592]

7 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

Secret squirrel is prone to hyperbole and getting ahead of his skis. I'd take it with some salt for now.

Not seeing anything else of yet, so yeah.  However, perhaps the urgency we are seeing in Russians attempting to offload fuel in Rostov is that the situation is getting desperate fuel wise at the front.  This coinciding with a Ukrainian attack would at least make some sense.  

[Parliament 14062]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

I cant tell what this is suggesting. 100 aircraft would be every single airframe Ukraine has, including transports and helicopters. 

Maybe we snuck a buncha A10’s in there?

[MissingInAction 24690]

54 minutes ago, Parliament said:

Maybe we snuck a buncha A10’s in there?

[DaggerHorns 3044]

Warthogs up in this bitch?

[KYHorn 16751]

Happy Prigozhin Day. Shoigu and Gerasimov receive the first grievances.

 

[MissingInAction 24690]

We've dumped every other 80s era hardware on them. 

Who knows. Can't imagine the logistics, or how it goes unnoticed.

Edited August 24 by MissingInAction
ousux

[BamaATL 16592]

2 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

We've dumped every other 80s era hardware on them. 

Who knows. Can't imagine the logistics, or how it go unnoticed.

Chappy ain't dead, he's been getting ready.  

[F250 28597]

32 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Chappy ain't dead, he's been getting ready.  

 

[Gatorubet 29915]

2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

If you turn the volume all the way up, you can hear all of that stuff cooking off. 

[BamaATL 16592]

So I've been wondering for a while if the development of the Neptune as a cruise missile, rather than an anti ship missile is a bit of a work around for everyone.  The Ukrainians obviously have the knowledge on how to build one, but the secret sauce is the guidance.  I know these missiles use either internal navigation or satellite navigation to fly to their targets.  In lieu of giving the Ukrainians cruise missiles from the US (and approaching another bullshit red line), it would have to be easier to covertly give them either guidance data or access to nav satellites ("hey guys, if you happen to just modulate to this code at this time, the satellite will just happen to grant you access, wink, wink").  

I'm not trying to take away anything from the Ukrainians, as this all may well be wrong.  Either way, whenever this is all over, there will certainly be an interesting story to tell on the development of this.  Of course it will be years and years before it is ever told, but eventually it will be.  

In the short term, because this is a Ukrainian weapons platform, it gives them more stocks to hit within Russia, I hope they can build a lot of them quickly.  

[tx 3 putt 75850]

10 hours ago, BamaATL said:

Interesting @PTINS

I still have to think it wouldn't take too much to equip a drone with an RPG that fires upon contact with something like this.  You'd be trading payload for it, but the bomb is actually the fuel or gas.  

#1 drone rams the defenses

#2 drone does the same

#3 drone is the big boom

All happens in seconds 

[atomheartbevo 89286]

7 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

So I've been wondering for a while if the development of the Neptune as a cruise missile, rather than an anti ship missile is a bit of a work around for everyone.  The Ukrainians obviously have the knowledge on how to build one, but the secret sauce is the guidance. 

I get what you are saying, but it could be that it's because the capabilities/guidance for modern systems are evolving to a point where the targets don't really matter - for the Ukrainians it makes sense for them to make as few models as possible, to cut down on production costs and complexity.  We think it's nuts and wasteful that the Russians are using S-300s/S-400s to attack land targets for a lot of reasons (we wouldn't use Patriot missiles to do that) but from their point of view, it's easier to have one production line running than multiple.

I bring it up, because the US Navy will be doing the opposite and fielding anti-ship variants of the Tomahawk at some point this year.

https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/u-s-navy-plans-to-equip-submarines-with-anti-ship-tomahawk-missiles-in-2024-to-counter-china/

[BamaATL 16592]

4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

#1 drone rams the defenses

#2 drone does the same

#3 drone is the big boom

All happens in seconds 

I thought about that, there is one issue I can think of.  Assuming that you can accurately do a double tap might be a leap too far.  We don't really know the accuracy of this stuff, it's reasonable enough, but accurate to that level, I don't know.  The other potential issue is the assumption that both drones used in that sort of capacity have to successfully get thru whatever air defense they encounter, I wouldn't presume that as a given either.  

 

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I get what you are saying, but it could be that it's because the capabilities/guidance for modern systems are evolving to a point where the targets don't really matter - for the Ukrainians it makes sense for them to make as few models as possible, to cut down on production costs and complexity.  We think it's nuts and wasteful that the Russians are using S-300s/S-400s to attack land targets for a lot of reasons (we wouldn't use Patriot missiles to do that) but from their point of view, it's easier to have one production line running than multiple.

I bring it up, because the US Navy will be doing the opposite and fielding anti-ship variants of the Tomahawk at some point this year.

https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/u-s-navy-plans-to-equip-submarines-with-anti-ship-tomahawk-missiles-in-2024-to-counter-china/

The telling difference to me on the S300/400 strikes is that they aren't precision strikes, it's more like walking in mortar or artillery rounds, or so it seems.  They aren't overly accurate, in other words.  However, the recent strikes claimed with the Neptune (the ferry, and now the munitions warehouse) aren't scatter shot attempts, they are precision strikes.  That screams some level of onboard navigation, at least to me.  

I certainly get the point though on the practicality of keeping the number of variations way down for sake of assembly line production.  

[tx 3 putt 75850]

9 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

I thought about that, there is one issue I can think of.  Assuming that you can accurately do a double tap might be a leap too far.  We don't really know the accuracy of this stuff, it's reasonable enough, but accurate to that level, I don't know.  The other potential issue is the assumption that both drones used in that sort of capacity have to successfully get thru whatever air defense they encounter, I wouldn't presume that as a given either.  

 

The telling difference to me on the S300/400 strikes is that they aren't precision strikes, it's more like walking in mortar or artillery rounds, or so it seems.  They aren't overly accurate, in other words.  However, the recent strikes claimed with the Neptune (the ferry, and now the munitions warehouse) aren't scatter shot attempts, they are precision strikes.  That screams some level of onboard navigation, at least to me.  

I certainly get the point though on the practicality of keeping the number of variations way down for sake of assembly line production.  

or 1 Jdam

[atomheartbevo 89286]

Russians robbing other Russians.

hatetoseeit.gif

 

[atomheartbevo 89286]

This is how you get Gen-Z on board.  Steam achievements (IYKYK)

 

Robert Magyar reveals details of a new program for Ukrainian drone pilots that offers financial rewards for hitting specific targets. The program also allows pilots to accumulate points, which can be converted into drone equipment for their units. The image shows a T-90 tank, which would earn the soldier who destroyed it a reward of 400,000 UAH (£7,500).
 

[atomheartbevo 89286]

5 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Secret squirrel is prone to hyperbole and getting ahead of his skis. I'd take it with some salt for now.

This guy has been pretty solid for the past few years.  Of course he maybe getting misinformation from somebody trying to steer the Ukrainians away from a landing (i.e. "we know what you are doing").

The flip side is that Ukraine could have watched them move air defense systems out of those areas and back into Russia proper to protect refineries, storage, or even Moscow, AND saw that Russia had no reserves (to send up to Kursk) and thought it was the right time to strike.

[JMFP 1117]

17 hours ago, PTINS said:

 

Realistically, it would probably mirror Kurst in the last 3 weeks. But it has the equivalent or cornering an apex predator, with a Halloween mask and plastic fangs.

And nukes.

Yeah, sanctions are one thing. Physically taking over their oil export assets is a different ball game.  That basically kills their economy. A stray missile or two, and the world economy is put in play.

Even with sanctions in place, more than half of Russia's pre-war exports are finding their way into the market place. Price is negotiable. Supply is not. 

 

Believe it. Or not. That is all that matters. To the US, China, Europe, SE Asia, to the industrialized world.

Like it or not, most will 'accept?' war crimes, as long as it isn't against them, and as long as their day to day life isn't impacted. 

But, once you've identified the end points, you know how far you can go before you get to the middle. Belgorod is well within that space.

"I'm gonna be watching you."

[KYHorn 16751]

👀

Today, President Zelenskyi announced the successful first combat use of the Ukrainian missile-drone “Palyanytsia.”

“It is a drone — and it is a missile, because according to its tactical and technical characteristics, the product falls under both definitions,” the ministry of strategic industries added

 

Edited August 24 by KYHorn

[KYHorn 16751]

 "Ruslan, 42, deputy commander of the 68th brigade, which is defending the front lines around Pokrovsk, said he cannot remember such intense fighting at any other point since he was drafted to the military in the fall of 2022 from a coal mine where he used to work. In the last week alone, he said, his troops have retreated some six miles. His own hometown, Novohrodivka, is now the front line, he said."

@siobhan_ogrady @s_morgunov Tetiana Buranova
washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/…

[Hefeweizen 5305]

It’s wild how conventional warfare it’s being completely revised in real time.  The rise of drones, loss of relevance of main battle tanks, and change in artillery spotting and types.  It’s hyperbole, but it’s really revolutionary.  I would be shocked if there aren’t major doctrine changes in terms of our military composition for future land warfare coming out of this conflict.

 

 Some things clearly don’t change including the need for good NCOs and flexible unit sizes, but I’m marveling at Ukrainian ability to adapt, and the Russian stubbornness even when it’s obvious their shit is not working.  Given the disparity in manpower, it’s really pretty unbelievable.

[KYHorn 16751]

11 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Happy Prigozhin Day. Shoigu and Gerasimov receive the first grievances.

 

 

8 hours ago, BamaATL said:

So I've been wondering for a while if the development of the Neptune as a cruise missile, rather than an anti ship missile is a bit of a work around for everyone.  The Ukrainians obviously have the knowledge on how to build one, but the secret sauce is the guidance.  I know these missiles use either internal navigation or satellite navigation to fly to their targets.  In lieu of giving the Ukrainians cruise missiles from the US (and approaching another bullshit red line), it would have to be easier to covertly give them either guidance data or access to nav satellites ("hey guys, if you happen to just modulate to this code at this time, the satellite will just happen to grant you access, wink, wink").  

I'm not trying to take away anything from the Ukrainians, as this all may well be wrong.  Either way, whenever this is all over, there will certainly be an interesting story to tell on the development of this.  Of course it will be years and years before it is ever told, but eventually it will be.  

In the short term, because this is a Ukrainian weapons platform, it gives them more stocks to hit within Russia, I hope they can build a lot of them quickly.  

 

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I get what you are saying, but it could be that it's because the capabilities/guidance for modern systems are evolving to a point where the targets don't really matter - for the Ukrainians it makes sense for them to make as few models as possible, to cut down on production costs and complexity.  We think it's nuts and wasteful that the Russians are using S-300s/S-400s to attack land targets for a lot of reasons (we wouldn't use Patriot missiles to do that) but from their point of view, it's easier to have one production line running than multiple.

I bring it up, because the US Navy will be doing the opposite and fielding anti-ship variants of the Tomahawk at some point this year.

https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/u-s-navy-plans-to-equip-submarines-with-anti-ship-tomahawk-missiles-in-2024-to-counter-china/

 

20 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

👀

Today, President Zelenskyi announced the successful first combat use of the Ukrainian missile-drone “Palyanytsia.”

“It is a drone — and it is a missile, because according to its tactical and technical characteristics, the product falls under both definitions,” the ministry of strategic industries added

 

Many folks are now saying this ammo storage strike might've actually been the Palyanytsia and not a Neptune. Not clear for now because the official release said the Palyanytsia strike was on a military facility in occupied territory, but that doesn't mean there weren't multiple.

Edited August 24 by KYHorn

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16 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

It’s wild how conventional warfare it’s being completely revised in real time.  The rise of drones, loss of relevance of main battle tanks, and change in artillery spotting and types.  It’s hyperbole, but it’s really revolutionary.  I would be shocked if there aren’t major doctrine changes in terms of our military composition for future land warfare coming out of this conflict.

 

 Some things clearly don’t change including the need for good NCOs and flexible unit sizes, but I’m marveling at Ukrainian ability to adapt, and the Russian stubbornness even when it’s obvious their shit is not working.  Given the disparity in manpower, it’s really pretty unbelievable.

Thing is, MBT's and artillery are still needed to take a fortified position. Its just that drones made concentrating forces much more difficult and operationally costly. It's definitely a sea change, but I don't see big armored guns going away any time soon

[BamaATL 16592]

 

[TeeDubya 3358]

1 hour ago, Hefeweizen said:

It’s wild how conventional warfare it’s being completely revised in real time.  The rise of drones, loss of relevance of main battle tanks, and change in artillery spotting and types.  It’s hyperbole, but it’s really revolutionary.  I would be shocked if there aren’t major doctrine changes in terms of our military composition for future land warfare coming out of this conflict.

 

 Some things clearly don’t change including the need for good NCOs and flexible unit sizes, but I’m marveling at Ukrainian ability to adapt, and the Russian stubbornness even when it’s obvious their shit is not working.  Given the disparity in manpower, it’s really pretty unbelievable.

I’m oddly (and pleasantly) surprised that a military culture who watched the western bloc emphasize mobile, nimble war-making for 70 years is waging war in the opposite manner. 
The Russian military have reinforced their military even deeper into a top-down, rather inefficient hierarchy even while watching the remarkable success of maneuver warfare demonstrated by Desert Storm.  They’ve had plenty of time, resources, and motivation to become more effective, but have not.

in particular, there seems to be zero emphasis from the Russians on the principles of surprise, morale, flexibility, sustainability, multi-level command cooperation or empowerment to make small group decisions.

As a point of discussion, how does the Russian societal and leadership culture keep the Russian military from evolving?  

-How much is it affected by the culture of corruption?  (I saw my predecessors game the system for personal gain, now it’s MY turn)

-Is there truly a technological use/development divide?

-are their nuclear forces as screwed up as their conventional military?

 

Edited August 24 by TeeDubya