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comments are hilarious

Russia: We have no troops in the area.

America: I can confirm you have no troops that are alive in the area.

Russia: …

America: So do you want these bodies?

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While F-22s were flying CAP, Apaches, B-52s, Spectres & F-15Es all took turns liquidating Russians while the HIMARS & 777s were reloading.

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Threatening Poland and England.
 

 

 

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Lot of interesting videos lately, seems to be bouncing back and forth between trashing or threatening the West, with “well, maybe things aren’t going as well as we expected.”

https://www.youtube.com/@russianmediamonitor/videos

[Deej 76830]

Poland:

"Bring it, bitches!"

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31 minutes ago, Deej said:

Poland:

"Bring it, bitches!"

Also Poland

[Pescado_Rojo 19422]

Poland is the very definition of wishing a motherfucker would.

[Parliament 14260]

2 hours ago, Deej said:

Poland:

"Bring it, bitches!"

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1 hour ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Poland is the very definition of wishing a motherfucker would.

 

[MagicSoccerSpray 1732]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

[MissingInAction 25106]

When hanging out with my Polish friends it's all we talk about after a few pints of their home made vodka.

It goes down like water.

They are ready to fucking go.

Edited September 25 by MissingInAction

[HellesBier 188]

Lots of explosions in Kharkiv yesterday. Nothing in Kyiv however. 

[Gandalfish 347]

17 hours ago, KYHorn said:

According to the Washington Post, the United States believes that Ukraine has not made a “compelling case” for permission to strike deep into Russia with American weapons. “Ukraine is better off focusing on destroying targets in Crimea. Strikes on Russia are not worth the risk of escalation.” - American officials. 

Some possible explanations for this:

1. "American Officials" are thinking "They have their own long range missiles and drones to hit these targets now, why poke the bee hive unnecessarily" (BTW, do you think we helped them develop/manufacture these new homemade toys?)

2. "American Officials" are privy to specific threats from Russia that haven't been made public. (like we'll cut undersea cables, and maybe you could stop us but then we'd have an active sub war going on)

3. "American Officials" are, to put it gently, being overly cautious with Russian "red lines".

I mostly lurk here, many of you seem very knowledgeable on the subject - I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

[BamaATL 16593]

1 minute ago, Gandalfish said:

Some possible explanations for this:

1. "American Officials" are thinking "They have their own long range missiles and drones to hit these targets now, why poke the bee hive unnecessarily" (BTW, do you think we helped them develop/manufacture these new homemade toys?)

2. "American Officials" are privy to specific threats from Russia that haven't been made public. (like we'll cut undersea cables, and maybe you could stop us but then we'd have an active sub war going on)

3. "American Officials" are, to put it gently, being overly cautious with Russian "red lines".

I mostly lurk here, many of you seem very knowledgeable on the subject - I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

Part one makes a lot of sense to me.  The Ukrainians have consistently shown technical capability, but I think that long from now we will find out there is plenty more to the story, to include covert help on things like guidance, etc.  They certainly have missile capability and experience, but the secret sauce is the precision.  To me, their internal development, covertly assisted, is a nice work around.  

Part 2 to me is unlikely.  At this point, Russian threats have to ring pretty hollow.  To me there are two main parts to this, the first being that 90% of the time they are bluffing, and the 2nd part is why the hell would you trust them anyway?  Russia is the king of doing one thing, saying another, and their word is worthless.  

Part 3, my personal thought isn't that we are scared of them and overly cautious, at least not for the reason that would immediately stand out.  Our politicians aren't concerned so much with military consequences, but potential economic ones.  I.E. - they are concerned about future business within Russia and losing that capability.  This to me is a shit idea, and even worse when you consider that lives are being lost, but I think its real.  Basically, what they think is regardless of the outcome, nothing is really going to change in Russia, and there is a push to return to the prior status quo.  

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14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

That shit looks like mini-Tunguska

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18 minutes ago, Gandalfish said:

3. "American Officials" are, to put it gently, being overly cautious with Russian "red lines".

4 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Part 3, my personal thought isn't that we are scared of them and overly cautious, at least not for the reason that would immediately stand out.  Our politicians aren't concerned so much with military consequences, but potential economic ones. 

I think it's a fear of Russia collapsing and the nukes heading out of Russia proper.  That's what probably worries a lot of officials.

We got really lucky when the Soviet Union collapsed - there were enough powerful politicians and the Politburo/Communist Party of the Soviet Union/Supreme Soviet (or their remnants) to keep a lid on things and get things from Point A (the Soviet Union) to Point B (Russia and the former Soviet republics). You had Gorbachev bridging that gap into 1991.

Putin has removed anybody who could challenge him for leadership, which means that when he's out of power, there's nobody waiting in the wings to take over. There's no line of succession, there's no formal body that has the kind of power that the Politburo/Supreme Soviet had in 1990-1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved (and arguably that's why Putin is doing what he's doing - there is no Politburo/Supreme Soviet to keep him in check).

When Putin's regime collapses, it's going to happen gradually and then suddenly, to borrow from Hemingway.  I don't know if there is somebody we haven't heard of that can jump into the spotlight and keep the country together (arguably Putin had the one guy who could do it, killed in prison), but I believe that a whole bunch of lower-level types are going to go into a feeding frenzy and grab anything and everything they can on a more localized level and either sell it off, or use it as leverage for power in whatever happens with Russia after Putin is dead.

Would Putin have all of the nukes in one location, guarded by his best people?  That's a shitload of nukes (unless many were just on paper), and Putin is paranoid and seems like the type not to want everything in one basket.  Even if it would be easier to watch over/secure, it also creates a situation where one general might be able to pull something off.

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16 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Part one makes a lot of sense to me.  The Ukrainians have consistently shown technical capability, but I think that long from now we will find out there is plenty more to the story, to include covert help on things like guidance, etc.  They certainly have missile capability and experience, but the secret sauce is the precision.  To me, their internal development, covertly assisted, is a nice work around.  

Part 2 to me is unlikely.  At this point, Russian threats have to ring pretty hollow.  To me there are two main parts to this, the first being that 90% of the time they are bluffing, and the 2nd part is why the hell would you trust them anyway?  Russia is the king of doing one thing, saying another, and their word is worthless.  

Part 3, my personal thought isn't that we are scared of them and overly cautious, at least not for the reason that would immediately stand out.  Our politicians aren't concerned so much with military consequences, but potential economic ones.  I.E. - they are concerned about future business within Russia and losing that capability.  This to me is a shit idea, and even worse when you consider that lives are being lost, but I think its real.  Basically, what they think is regardless of the outcome, nothing is really going to change in Russia, and there is a push to return to the prior status quo.  

I think there's also a chance some of our European allies are thumping their chests publicly while privately telling the Biden administration they would prefer not to risk escalation, as they would likely feel the brunt of it. 

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27 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I think there's also a chance some of our European allies are thumping their chests publicly while privately telling the Biden administration they would prefer not to risk escalation, as they would likely feel the brunt of it. 

Poland - no, Czechia - No, Slovakia - Yes, Hungary - Yes, Baltics - No.

This is coming from the US - from Biden admin. people like Sullivan, Blinken, Kerry, Sherman (retired), Finer, Campbell (probably not too influential), Michael Carpenter

[Armybrat 40850]

On 9/24/2024 at 10:23 AM, PTINS said:

Not sure if any place has ever run out of oil, but I understand your tongue-in-cheek point.

The last wave of US refining modernization in the 80's-90's saw a shift in refining capacity from a domestic slate of a lighter, sweeter crude oil to a foreign slate of heavier, sour crude oil. The US production was continuing to decline and the production growth was coming from the middle east and South America.

When the US learned how to extract oil from shale, drilling and fracturing a 10,000 foot horizontal lateral instead of drilling vertically though the 100 foot seam, domestic production went from the "end of the Permian Basin" to the US being self sufficient in oil production for the 50+ years. Though the production volumes are much higher, it is a much lighter slate that yielded lower quantities of transportation fuels than the heavier crude slate.

To maximize refining yields, the US imports the heavier crude oil and exports the "excess" higher oil.

In the graphic below, the oil produced in the Permian (Delaware & Midland Basin's) is similar to Eagle Ford (South Texas)- Bakken (North Dakota) grades. The imported crude, not unlike Jed Clampett's bubbling crude, would be heavier than the Canadian Crude.  

Bakken ftw - it gets blended with that tar shit importedfrom Venezuela. 
CLS is drilling the last two wells in our lease spacing in McKenzie County.

[Chopper 17238]

1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Part 3, my personal thought isn't that we are scared of them and overly cautious, at least not for the reason that would immediately stand out.  Our politicians aren't concerned so much with military consequences, but potential economic ones.  I.E. - they are concerned about future business within Russia and losing that capability.  This to me is a shit idea, and even worse when you consider that lives are being lost, but I think its real.  Basically, what they think is regardless of the outcome, nothing is really going to change in Russia, and there is a push to return to the prior status quo.  

The most recent concern I read about was Ruzzia potentially withholding enriched uranium in trade. The US (and Europe) buy it because we stopped producing our own in hopes that closer economic ties with Ruzzia would be beneficial. Instead all it's done is leave the US and Europe vulnerable to energy shortages. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19422]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Poland - no, Czechia - No, Slovakia - Yes, Hungary - Yes, Baltics - No.

This is coming from the US - from Biden admin. people like Sullivan, Blinken, Kerry, Sherman (retired), Finer, Campbell (probably not too influential), Michael Carpenter

Yes, but Europe is much bigger than those countries. I was thinking in terms of Western Europe, but your point is taken. 

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4 hours ago, Gandalfish said:

Some possible explanations for this:

1. "American Officials" are thinking "They have their own long range missiles and drones to hit these targets now, why poke the bee hive unnecessarily" (BTW, do you think we helped them develop/manufacture these new homemade toys?)

2. "American Officials" are privy to specific threats from Russia that haven't been made public. (like we'll cut undersea cables, and maybe you could stop us but then we'd have an active sub war going on)

3. "American Officials" are, to put it gently, being overly cautious with Russian "red lines".

I mostly lurk here, many of you seem very knowledgeable on the subject - I'm interested in your thoughts on this.

4.  "American Officials" are outright pussies.  Every.  Single.  Red. Line. that little shit has drawn, been crossed, and redrawn with no consequences.

[Brisketexan 105154]

3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think it's a fear of Russia collapsing and the nukes heading out of Russia proper.  That's what probably worries a lot of officials.

To me, it comes down to this, and it's a valid fear.

On any strategic endeavor, when you are gaming out accomplishing the short-term goal, the appropriate question is always "so then, what happens NEXT?"  SO....excellent news, Ukraine's military success so weakened and embarrassed the Putin regime that it collapsed, and Russia's forces largely pulled back to pre-war positions on their own accord.

But that collapse came about as multiple regional upstarts and Moscow rivals asserted their strength.  Russia is fragmented, and its government, military, and nuclear forces presently have no clear or unified command and control structure.  So...now what?

The concerning possible answers to that question are reasons to tread deliberately going forward.  An utterly collapsing Russia is likely very good for Ukraine today...and possibly very devastating for the planet in the years to come.

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NBC Exclusive: The Pentagon has recommended giving white phosphorus shells to Ukraine, but White House keeps saying no This comes as an unbelievable surprise, but evidently the US has not provided Ukraine with WP smoke or illumination shells. Just another asinine decision, unsupported by any military logic.

Russia has installed Starlink on Shahed-136 drones: it gives unlimited communication range for drones flying at 2,000 km - Defense Express The drone was shot down by Ukraine's Armed Forces during last night's attack. With the help of Starlink, Russia can use Shahed drones as an extremely long-range loitering munition with the ability to conduct reconnaissance checks, thanks to an additional camera, and hit even moving targets.  

Edited September 25 by KYHorn

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 "Your invasion of Ukraine was carried out in your own interests. Only yours. To expand your mafia state into a mafia empire. An empire built on corruption... Imperialism: I recognize it when I see it. And I will call it what it is." - UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy at the UN General Assembly. 

Edited September 25 by KYHorn

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Starlink is apparently available for purchase through 3rd countries but shutting down its use by Ruz has not been successful, probably because Elon Musk sucks.

https://defence--ua-com.translate.goog/news/rf_vstanovila_na_shahed_136_starlink_ochevidno_tse_bulo_lishe_pitannja_chasu-16716.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

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This is the first time an enemy has used Shahed with Starlink, but it's unlikely to be the last

Ukrainian Defense Forces destroyed a Russian Shahed-136 that was equipped with SpaceX's Starlink satellite communication during a night attack today, in which 28 of 32 drones were shot down.

Defense Express received the relevant photos from its own sources. They show a satellite dish with serial numbers on it. This should allow to investigate the supply channels of the Starlink terminal.

At the same time, the question of when the Russian Federation will begin to install Starlink on its long-range UAVs was objectively only a matter of time. Because before that, the enemy had already experimented with 4G modems with Ukrainian SIM cards.

And now we are talking about a very wide and powerful feedback channel with the drone, the possibility of transmitting information from it and changing the flight task at any distance. That is, the transformation of Shahed, first of all, into a reconnaissance tool.

Starlink may be needed by the enemy in order to transmit intelligence information, for example, collected by radio technical means about the positions of Ukrainian air defense. Or, in the case of equipping the drone with cameras - images. And thanks to Starlink, the Russian Federation can use Shahed as an extremely long-range barrage munition with the possibility of reconnaissance, due to an additional camera, and hitting even moving targets.

The choice of the Shahed platform for such purposes may be related to its capabilities in terms of a flight range of about 2,000 km and a fairly significant free volume in the middle of the fuselage. It may also be related to the "creativity" in Alabuz, where these drones are assembled .

We will remind that although Starlink does not work and is not sold in the Russian Federation, Russians purchase it through third countries. At the same time, the USA is trying to fight this problem, but the problem is far from being solved.

But apparently, Washington needs to speed up a little in this matter, because Shahed from Starlink is about unlimited range control of an attack UAV with a flight range of up to 2,000 km. Because taking into account the cooperation of the Russian Federation not only with other rogue countries, but also with terrorist groups, this is already a threat not only to Ukraine.

 

 

[Gatorubet 30246]

6 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

“Your invasion of Ukraine was carried out in your own interests. Only yours. To expand your mafia state into a mafia empire. An empire built on corruption... Imperialism: I recognize it when I see it. And I will call it what it is." - UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy at the UN General Assembly. 

Well, if anyone knows about that, it’s Great Britain.  

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8 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Well, if anyone knows about that, it’s Great Britain.  

#crimea

Edited September 25 by locodos

[NeverMarryAStripper 21907]

Yes, but to be fair I’m pretty sure that Great Britain doesn’t have any current plans to invade India, Hong Kong, or the U.S.

[Brisketexan 105154]

13 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Yes, but to be fair I’m pretty sure that Great Britain doesn’t have any current plans to invade India, Hong Kong, or the U.S.

....only because they can't.  The brits never lack the will of utter fuckery, only the ability of utter fuckery.

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

....only because they can't.  The brits never lack the will of utter fuckery, only the ability of utter fuckery.

True.  I have long hypothesized an inverse relationship over time between their imperialism game and their domestic curry game. 

[Orange&White 5528]

31 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Well, if anyone knows about that, it’s Great Britain.  

[locodos 5387]

22 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Yes, but to be fair I’m pretty sure that Great Britain doesn’t have any current plans to invade India, Hong Kong, or the U.S.

That you know of!

I think they learned their lessons.  They put the world to the sword for spices they could never figure out how to use.

Fire toad in the hole!

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1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

 

 "Your invasion of Ukraine was carried out in your own interests. Only yours. To expand your mafia state into a mafia empire. An empire built on corruption... Imperialism: I recognize it when I see it. And I will call it what it is." - UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy at the UN General Assembly. 

You’ve never been truly chewed out until you’ve been chewed out by an Englishman.

57 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

Yes, but to be fair I’m pretty sure that Great Britain doesn’t have any current plans to invade India, Hong Kong, or the U.S.

Canada?

[InkaUtexas 25983]

1 hour ago, Parliament said:

You’ve never been truly chewed out until you’ve been chewed out by an Englishman.

Canada?

Nah, they are cool. But the Falklands.... That is where their rebirth shall begin. Like holding madagascar with 5 armies in Risk. You know you can make the counter attack and take back the map if you can hold onto it.

Just never think Ukraine is weak.

[Brisketexan 105154]

6 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Nah, they are cool. But the Falklands.... That is where their rebirth shall begin. Like holding madagascar with 5 armies in Risk. You know you can make the counter attack and take back the map if you can hold onto it.

Just never think Ukraine is weak.

You mispelled "Las Malvinas," you dirty Inglaterran bastard.

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1 hour ago, Deej said:

It's election season. Nobody wants to miss out on any possible donations.

True, but before that it was campaign season - there is always a season to be a pussy.

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 "The United States plans to announce more than $8 billion worth of military assistance for Ukraine on Thursday during Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy's visit to Washington, two U.S. officials said on Wednesday...

A second announcement slated for Thursday will be for $2.4 billion worth of aid under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative program, which allows the administration to buy weapons for Ukraine from companies rather than pull them from U.S. weapons stocks."

[Deej 76830]

$8 billion in weapons that can't reach Russia?

[Chad Fuck 17684]

$8 billion in weapons that can't reach Russia?

Some might say targeting info is priceless.

[InkaUtexas 25983]

6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

You mispelled "Las Malvinas," you dirty Inglaterran bastard.

Meh, fuck argentina. I will be nice when the world realizes their regime was just as bad, if not worse, than Pinochet. That is saying something.

 

[bolverk 29684]

6 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Meh, fuck argentina. I will be nice when the world realizes their regime was just as bad, if not worse, than Pinochet. That is saying something.

 

I watched "Kiss of the Spiderwoman" on Showtime in high school sometime in the mid-to-late-1980s. It didn't make me want to visit Argentina very much.

[atomheartbevo 89727]

Hey guyz, the war is forever! (that guy gets it - this was isn't going to end in a tidy little victory for Russia).

And the result has to be complete Russian control over Ukraine.  Maybe they need to liberate Kursk first.  And some of those guys pour a pitcher of cold water over the guy's ideas about dividing and controlling Ukraine.  I'm surprised they aren't taking a long walk out of high-rise window.

 

Edited September 26 by atomheartbevo

[bolverk 29684]

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Hey guyz, the war is forever! (that guy gets it - this was isn't going to end in a tidy little victory for Russia).

And the result has to be complete Russian control over Ukraine.  Maybe they need to liberate Kursk first.  And some of those guys pour a pitcher of cold water over the guy's ideas about dividing and controlling Ukraine.  I'm surprised they aren't taking a long walk out of high-rise window.

 

Their little argument reminds me of the wishful thinking we heard during the Charlie Strong years about Texas making a comeback. 

[Deej 76830]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Hey guyz, the war is forever! (that guy gets it - this was isn't going to end in a tidy little victory for Russia).

And the result has to be complete Russian control over Ukraine.  Maybe they need to liberate Kursk first.  And some of those guys pour a pitcher of cold water over the guy's ideas about dividing and controlling Ukraine.  I'm surprised they aren't taking a long walk out of high-rise window.

 

Billy Liucci would kill it on Russian television.

[Armybrat 40850]

15 minutes ago, Deej said:

Billy Liucci would kill it on Russian television.

The 3 minute Special Fight Operation?

[InkaUtexas 25983]

New Nuke doctrine in the making.

Vladimir Putin says Russia would consider an attack from a non-nuclear state that was backed by a nuclear-armed one to be a "joint attack", in what could be construed as a threat to use nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine.

In key remarks on Wednesday night, the Russian president said his government was considering changing the rules and preconditions around which Russia would use its nuclear arsenal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

[Chad Fuck 17684]

15 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

New Nuke doctrine in the making.

Vladimir Putin says Russia would consider an attack from a non-nuclear state that was backed by a nuclear-armed one to be a "joint attack", in what could be construed as a threat to use nuclear weapons in the war in Ukraine.

In key remarks on Wednesday night, the Russian president said his government was considering changing the rules and preconditions around which Russia would use its nuclear arsenal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yjej0rvw0o

This is the statement of a weak man, a bully, who knows he's losing the fight. 

[atomheartbevo 89727]

So there’s weird shit about a Russian ship off the coast of England full of ammonium nitrate, adrift according to some, possibly near some oil and gas infrastructure.  It was turned away from ports in other countries.  Wonder if Putin is trying to send a message.

 

[Brisketexan 105154]

10 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Meh, fuck argentina. I will be nice when the world realizes their regime was just as bad, if not worse, than Pinochet. That is saying something.

 

1) the Mothers of the Disappeared would certainly agree.

2) BUT.....Argentina also has significant charms...

Edited September 26 by Brisketexan