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[Chad Fuck 17658]

4 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

No one is rebuilding shit in the east. Maybe repair come irrigation systems, hospitals get meds, etc. Maybe some heavy industry gets rebuilt/tooled. 

Those blown to shit apartments become landfill. tank traps.

fify.

[KYHorn 17011]

Rubio for Secretary of State. At least some hope there as it relates to Ukraine. It was looking real grim the last few days. If you recall, he was the senator on from the Intel committee who was publicly calling Putin's moves before he made them. Better than Ric Grenell, who supported the autonomous zone idea. 

Edited November 12 by KYHorn

[Laxtonto 12078]

11 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

Rubio for Secretary of State. At least some hope there as it relates to Ukraine. It was looking real grim the last few days. If you recall, he was the senator on from the Intel committee who was publicly calling Putin's moves before he made them. Better than Ric Grenell, who supported the autonomous zone idea. 

Major grain of salt here, but Cleveland is pretty solid with reading the tea leaves..

 

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Trump actions since his election reveal is plan for Ukraine is not to feed it to Russia, but to help negotiate a peace through strength: 1) He hasn't spoken w/ Putin yet, but has w/ Zelensky; 2) Waltz for NSA & Rubio SOS provide solid military chops; 3) Chatter (which obviously starts somewhere!) suggests Ukraine hamstrung by limits Biden imposed--and that is leverage Trump has.

So the bargaining chip would be in essence telling Russia that the US is letting Ukraine fight the war with no restrictions or negotiate in good faith...

[InkaUtexas 25857]

2 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

Major grain of salt here, but Cleveland is pretty solid with reading the tea leaves..

 

So the bargaining chip would be in essence telling Russia that the US is letting Ukraine fight the war with no restrictions or negotiate in good faith...

So what are Russia's starting points? Ukraine's?

[KYHorn 17011]

10 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

Major grain of salt here, but Cleveland is pretty solid with reading the tea leaves..

 

So the bargaining chip would be in essence telling Russia that the US is letting Ukraine fight the war with no restrictions or negotiate in good faith...

Not sure what to make of the Washington Post report on Trump already talking to Putin and telling him not to escalate. Contradicts her reporting here.

[InkaUtexas 25857]

1 minute ago, KYHorn said:

Not sure what to make of the Washington Post report on Trump already talking to Putin and telling him not to escalate. Contradicts her reporting here.

Kremlin refuted it today.

[Laxtonto 12078]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

So what are Russia's starting points? Ukraine's?

I dont think that this is a huge initial threat to Russia that would lead to an instant set of terms. If I was Russia I would be playing the the idea of lets see how bad it could be if Ukraine really goes full weapons hot. The problem right now is there is no telling what that would really mean. Does the Ukraine have enough stockpiles to go full bore on the eastern front while also putting extreme pressure on Crimea. Way too much unknown to start trying to think of scenarios yet.

The big question would be what has the Biden administration been keeping them from doing? If they scuttled a proposed amphibious landing, that would be a major game changer (either successful or a failure). I would really have to think about what can the Ukraine do now, 18 moths too late from when they really need to. That is what is going to matter in the negotiations.

 

[atomheartbevo 89623]

30 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

Rubio for Secretary of State. At least some hope there as it relates to Ukraine. It was looking real grim the last few days. If you recall, he was the senator on from the Intel committee who was publicly calling Putin's moves before he made them. Better than Ric Grenell, who supported the autonomous zone idea. 

Trump Jr is going around bragging that Ukraine is going to be cut off from our aid, so who do you think has the inside track?

As for Rubio, etc., they will all be gone within 6 months of taking their oaths.

 

[atomheartbevo 89623]

5 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

I dont think that this is a huge initial threat to Russia that would lead to an instant set of terms. If I was Russia I would be playing the the idea of lets see how bad it could be if Ukraine really goes full weapons hot. The problem right now is there is no telling what that would really mean. Does the Ukraine have enough stockpiles to go full bore on the eastern front while also putting extreme pressure on Crimea. Way too much unknown to start trying to think of scenarios yet.

The big question would be what has the Biden administration been keeping them from doing? If they scuttled a proposed amphibious landing, that would be a major game changer (either successful or a failure). I would really have to think about what can the Ukraine do now, 18 moths too late from when they really need to. That is what is going to matter in the negotiations.

It's a funny thing - you would have thought that invading and holding Mother Russia's territory for months would be a huge red line that was crossed, but nope, so how bad can things get?.  It just meant that Russia had to beg North Korea for troops to help out, which plays into the theory that they are stretched extremely thin in most areas outside of their meat grinder in the Donbas.

Ukraine has yet to put its homegrown heavy stuff into service, and some have speculated that they are saving it for a future situation where they may decide to lay waste to Moscow and St. Petersburg or some other scenario.

[InkaUtexas 25857]

11 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

I dont think that this is a huge initial threat to Russia that would lead to an instant set of terms. If I was Russia I would be playing the the idea of lets see how bad it could be if Ukraine really goes full weapons hot. The problem right now is there is no telling what that would really mean. Does the Ukraine have enough stockpiles to go full bore on the eastern front while also putting extreme pressure on Crimea. Way too much unknown to start trying to think of scenarios yet.

The big question would be what has the Biden administration been keeping them from doing? If they scuttled a proposed amphibious landing, that would be a major game changer (either successful or a failure). I would really have to think about what can the Ukraine do now, 18 moths too late from when they really need to. That is what is going to matter in the negotiations.

 

Starting points.

Russia. Keep all land siezed and get Kursk back.

Ukraine. Give back Kursk, get either Crimea or Donbas.

Russia will want Kursk back. Would be great to see the bridge go down. Both sides are playing for the tie. It is like a shitty soccer game except quite sad and maddening.

[KYHorn 17011]

17 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Kremlin refuted it today.

And Trump campaign declined to comment... So true?

Edited November 12 by KYHorn

[InkaUtexas 25857]

2 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

And Trump campaign declined to comment... So true?

I think so. Trump needs it more than Putin. Of course it could be Putin with a big old fuck you.

[Laxtonto 12078]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It's a funny thing - you would have thought that invading and holding Mother Russia's territory for months would be a huge red line that was crossed, but nope, so how bad can things get?.  It just meant that Russia had to beg North Korea for troops to help out, which plays into the theory that they are stretched extremely thin in most areas outside of their meat grinder in the Donbas.

Ukraine has yet to put its homegrown heavy stuff into service, and some have speculated that they are saving it for a future situation where they may decide to lay waste to Moscow and St. Petersburg or some other scenario.

And maybe that is the real threat to Putin. If the restriction from the Biden Admin was no major attacks on major Russian population centers, and they have followed along with that mostly, then that is a major pivot point in all of this. With how limited the Russian Air Defense is, a massive set of home grown Ukrainian ballistic missiles all going to Moscow would make things real interesting in the land of public perception for Putin. 

Without knowing what those red lines are there is no way to know. That being said, that information asymmetry is a killer bargaining chip, if you can actually convince Russia that the Ukraine has had the means, but it was Biden keeping it from happening. Maybe we will see a few home grown missile launches as a proof of concept towards the Kerch bridge as the days slowly tick off to Jan.

[Bevo 13560]

Pentagon Plans $6 Billion in Ukraine Aid Ahead of Presidential Change

Greg Hadley

President Joe Biden’s administration plans to commit some $6 billion in aid for Ukraine in the next two months before President-elect Donald Trump takes office, a Pentagon spokesperson confirmed Nov. 7. 

Roughly two-thirds of that aid, or $4 billion, will come in the form of Presidential Drawdown Authority packages—weapons and equipment drawn from U.S. stockpiles—while the other one-third, or $2 billion will be procured new as part of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh told reporters. 

The rush to get that aid committed comes amid uncertainty as to whether the incoming presidential administration will keep up aid deliveries to Ukraine. On the campaign trail, Trump expressed some criticism over the amount of aid being sent to Ukraine and how it was structured. However, Trump did not publicly oppose a $61 billion aid package passed by Congress in April. 

It remains to be seen whether the Pentagon can get most of its remaining authorized aid out the door before the presidential transition. Presidential authority drawdown packages can be delivered faster because they draw from existing stocks, but Singh acknowledged that the process can still take time to get across the Atlantic and into Ukraine. 

“Some things can arrive within days and weeks. Some items in those packages take longer,” Singh said. “It does matter what’s available on our stock, on our shelves. You’re going to see us continue to draw that down pretty frequently. Could there be things that go out beyond Jan. 20? I can’t say for certain right now.” 

Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative packages cane take even longer to deliver as they represent new buys. Yet Singh said the Pentagon would look to at least get contracts for aid signed and done. 

“Those could go for longer, but again, those are commitments and contracts that this administration has signed. So we would expect those to be upheld,” she said. 

Watchdogs at the Government Accountability Office and DOD’s own Inspector General have voiced concerns about a lack of oversight for some Ukraine aid, but Singh brushed aside a question as to whether the rush to get the remaining aid committed could hurt oversight. 

“We are very confident in the processes and procedures and measures that we’ve put into place when it comes to getting aid to Ukraine,” she said. 

Singh did not disclose what kinds of weapons the Pentagon will look to send to Ukraine in the coming months, but air defense and aerial munitions are likely to be a continued focus. In September, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged allies to provide more on that front, saying “the world has enough air defense systems to ensure that Russian terror does not have results, and I urge you to be more active in this war with us for the air defense.” 

Not long after, the U.S. announced it was sending Ukraine AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapons (JSOW), a medium-range, air-to-ground, precision-guided glide bomb with a range of up to 70-plus miles. Previously, the Pentagon provided JDAM Extended Range guided bombs, Small Diameter Bombs, and HARM anti-radiation missiles. 

Whatever aid the Pentagon does deliver before the next administration, future packages for Ukraine remain uncertain. Vice President-elect JD Vance has vocally opposed sending more aid, and a faction of Republicans in the House and Senate oppose it as well, though Singh tried to argue the issue is a bipartisan one. 

“Republicans and Democrats have made commitments in votes and in money to Ukraine. So look, there’s an incoming team that that is going to have to work with Congress, and there is support in Congress to continue supporting Ukraine,” she said. 

[KYHorn 17011]

 

 

The Russian government plans to lay off at least 400,000.

Moscow, Russia — The Russian government is preparing for one of the most significant reductions in its civil service workforce to date. By July 1, 2025, the government will see a 10% decrease in staff, according to information obtained by Kommersant. While the 10% figure is cited as a target, the actual cuts could be even larger. In total, more than 400,000 jobs are expected to be affected, amounting to over 0.5% of the nation's workforce.

The bottom line: the money has run out. 

[KYHorn 17011]

 

The Russians have blown up yet another dam, one that was crucial for cooling the Kurakhove TPP.

History is repeating itself because Russia has faced no consequences. In fact, it was emboldened by a person who recently received power.

This act of ecocide is intended to make conditions unlivable. Villages are flooding. The river lies between the Donetsk and Dnipro regions.

[KYHorn 17011]

 

[atomheartbevo 89623]

1 hour ago, KYHorn said:

The Russian government plans to lay off at least 400,000.

Moscow, Russia — The Russian government is preparing for one of the most significant reductions in its civil service workforce to date. By July 1, 2025, the government will see a 10% decrease in staff, according to information obtained by Kommersant. While the 10% figure is cited as a target, the actual cuts could be even larger. In total, more than 400,000 jobs are expected to be affected, amounting to over 0.5% of the nation's workforce.

The bottom line: the money has run out. 

Or, he's just found 400,000 new conscripts.

 

[InkaUtexas 25857]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Or, he's just found 400,000 new conscripts.

 

yep, all those 22-50 year old male civil servants in places like Yakutsk will be changing their uniforms.

[KYHorn 17011]

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Or, he's just found 400,000 new conscripts.

 

Definitely. I almost added that this is like shadow mobilization

[Parliament 14233]

9 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

The Russian government plans to lay off at least conscript 400,000.

The bottom line: the money has run out of meat.

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[KYHorn 17011]

Really a smartly tailored proposal. I could see it appealing to Trump

 

Ukraine ready to share resources & replace some US troops in Europe post-war — part of a strategy to gain Trump's support, per FT. During a meeting with Zelensky in September, two special proposals were presented to President-elect Trump. One plan involves deploying Ukrainian troops in Europe after the war, easing the US military presence, and sharing resources with Western allies.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/12/ukraine-russia-kursk-offensive-latest-news/

[InkaUtexas 25857]

What armored vehicle carries 30 troops? Are they up armoring trucks?

[Scheiss Meister 8407]

Maybe BMPs with full loads inside and a bunch on top, but that wouldn't be more than 15 or so, I would imagine.  Uparmored trucks may be right, but that would still be a damn big truck.

[Parliament 14233]

13 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

What armored vehicle carries 30 troops? Are they up armoring trucks?

 

5 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Maybe BMPs with full loads inside and a bunch on top, but that wouldn't be more than 15 or so, I would imagine.  Uparmored trucks may be right, but that would still be a damn big truck.

A T26 pulling a camper.

[InkaUtexas 25857]

9 minutes ago, Parliament said:

 

A T26 pulling a camper.

Recons teams deploying like this.

 

[safe sex 11696]

Anyone got a good Ukraine BlueSky starter pack link?

[MillerEP 30447]

10 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Anyone got a good Ukraine BlueSky starter pack link?

Go to Feeds and search for an existing feed, "ukraine" or "nafo" should come up with a few. If one doesn't exist I can create one for you. I already created one for the "longhorns" keyword.

[MillerEP 30447]

https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DCRZ7jDtdCW?xmt=AQGzwMbuIJ2T_LhgWRB5EY1LOn3zLlsIHbLVDC5VN8dEvQ

France will supply Ukraine 'in the short term' with 6 (3 more than initially pledged to be delivered in early 2025) Mirage 2000-5F multirole fighter jets including comprehensive support.

 

https://www.threads.net/@nafo_wrangler/post/DCPu5JLOefs?xmt=AQGzwMbuIJ2T_LhgWRB5EY1LOn3zLlsIHbLVDC5VN8dEvQ

"The Russian armed forces have been conducting a large-scale counter-offensive operation in the Kursk region for the third day, trying to push out Ukrainian troops, but this offensive has so far turned into a disaster, Bild journalist Julian Röpke reports. According to him, the Russian Armed Forces have suffered serious losses of men and equipment, and have only managed to recapture two settlements - Pogrebki and Darino.

[Chopper 17230]

1 hour ago, HorninDallas said:

You dont know shit, if you want to have political opinions go to the cloak room. But I would bet would support a consolidated Ukraine just so you could jerk off in the Anti Trump circle.

On your way to getting crowdsourced as @Maestro della Moneta you sprung up as @Jesse Livermore and now you have another new handle. So proud of you. 

[Chopper 17230]

17 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Go to Feeds and search for an existing feed, "ukraine" or "nafo" should come up with a few. If one doesn't exist I can create one for you. I already created one for the "longhorns" keyword.

I don't know if they're definitive but this user has 2 lists that seem good

https://bsky.app/profile/terryfella.fellas.social

Edited November 12 by Chopper

[MillerEP 30447]

I guess since more are moving to BlueSky I can start posting news from there too:

https://bsky.app/profile/orion412x.bsky.social/post/3larfw2umlc2t

An FPV drone downed a Ka52 attack chopper 🤣

https://bsky.app/profile/orion412x.bsky.social/post/3laqzulso2225

From November 15, fighters will be able to transfer transparently and easily between military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, — Zelenskyi.

The process takes place through the "Army+" application. In case of refusal, clear reasons must be indicated, in the case of approval - a clear decision.

[MillerEP 30447]

https://www.threads.net/@kyivindependent_official/post/DCR4AizoKo5?xmt=AQGzxquNC-3RmLBry2VZEdYmA2J4D8HXApKHFQQE-QIKmg

⚡️Ukraine's 2025 budget includes $1.3 billion for weapons production, minister says.
Ukraine's budget for 2025 envisages Hr 55 billion ($1.3 billion) for weapons production, Strategic Industries Minister Herman Smetanin said on Nov. 12.

 

https://www.threads.net/@24hoursofukraine/post/DCRo_irtFHK?xmt=AQGzxquNC-3RmLBry2VZEdYmA2J4D8HXApKHFQQE-QIKmg

🇺🇦🇸🇪The Naval Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the Swedish CB90 High-Speed Assault Armored Boats.
❤️Thank you Sweden

[Schulz2.0 28951]

[MillerEP 30447]

https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DCRAm42Obn6?xmt=AQGzPfbIuMAABk32KOXT7oEHihRamfkDcsMd7UOaWe076A

🇫🇷🇺🇦 France to deliver 600 AASM bombs to Ukraine before the end of 2024.
In response to growing demand, the French Ministry of Armed Forces aims to ramp up production, with plans to produce 1,200 AASM bombs by 2025 to replenish stocks and support Ukraine's defense efforts.

 

https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DCRhwMttAm-?xmt=AQGzswee-OVCzdf_4LBtBLHldRluHQjpeg8WXua-1SKj0g

The first group of volunteers who joined the Ukrainian Legion in Poland signed service contracts. The total number of submitted applications for admission has already exceeded 600.

[KYHorn 17011]

44 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Also doesn't count emigration

 

 

[Deej 76752]

18 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

It is like a shitty soccer game

Wouldn't you just call that soccer?

[InkaUtexas 25857]

30 minutes ago, Deej said:

Wouldn't you just call that soccer?

nope.

[MillerEP 30447]

https://www.threads.net/@_nickmelnick/post/DCRf89ZoH8i?xmt=AQGzao4dumo3ejhN4oNQwGZyK4-EpM5IMSd6qc88HHLx4g

🇺🇦⚡️🇷🇺 A few days ago, an unidentified kamikaze drone attacked a residential high-rise building in Belgorod, Russia.
Russian propaganda immediately labeled it a terrorist attack by the ‘Kyiv regime,’ but yesterday surveillance footage was released.
There is no doubt that this was a Russian-Iranian Shahed-136 kamikaze drone.

 

https://www.threads.net/@noelreports/post/DCRH4zBtvPP?xmt=AQGzCvEATVbQLDDav5QbGKhZGzzYed3xE3sXbeWBqLOJHg

The moment of the explosion (at 0:39) -which looks like controlled detonation- at the Ternivka dam near Kurakhove. After the explosion, water from the reservoir started filling the Vovcha river towards the villages of Bahatyr, Andriivka and Oleksiivka. According to local authorities, Kurakhove is not threathened by water.

[Armybrat 40821]

19 hours ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

The Russian government plans to lay off at least 400,000.

Moscow, Russia — The Russian government is preparing for one of the most significant reductions in its civil service workforce to date. By July 1, 2025, the government will see a 10% decrease in staff, according to information obtained by Kommersant. While the 10% figure is cited as a target, the actual cuts could be even larger. In total, more than 400,000 jobs are expected to be affected, amounting to over 0.5% of the nation's workforce.

The bottom line: the money has run out. 

Nah, all 400,000 will be on the front lines in Ukraine in two weeks.

[KYHorn 17011]

Nomination for CIA director as it relates to this thread

Secretary of Defense as it relates to this thread. Can't find much of him talking about Ukraine but what I can find is along these lines. However, he generally seems to be a hawk so we'll see.

 

Edited November 13 by KYHorn

[atomheartbevo 89623]

6 hours ago, safe sex said:

Anyone got a good Ukraine BlueSky starter pack link?

6 hours ago, Chopper said:

I don't know if they're definitive but this user has 2 lists that seem good

https://bsky.app/profile/terryfella.fellas.social

Also, search the 7,000+ starter packs for “Ukraine”

https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all

Some of the packs follow humanitarian stuff, some follow high-level stuff, some are focused on small battles, etc.

Edited November 13 by atomheartbevo

[atomheartbevo 89623]

5 hours ago, MillerEP said:

guess since more are moving to BlueSky I can start posting news from there too:

I really tried Threads but the lack of DMs and multiple hashtags was a pain in the ass.

[KYHorn 17011]

 

Edited November 13 by KYHorn

[Bevo 13560]

43 minutes ago, KYHorn said:

 

 

After Putin declines the offer, let's see if the chancellor follows up by quickly sending Taurus missiles to Ukraine.

[KYHorn 17011]

"There are all ours lying there" 

Russian servicemen are filming the aftermath of the "meat assault" and are surprised why no one is collecting the corpses. At the same time, they obediently go to where exactly the same fate awaits them. But in the end, they are already advising their friends not to go to war.

Edited November 13 by KYHorn

[Chad Fuck 17658]

17 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Nah, all 400,000 will be on the front lines in Ukraine in two weeks.

And dead in four.

[orange dream 1246]

18 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Secretary of Defense as it relates to this thread. Can't find much of him talking about Ukraine but what I can find is along these lines. However, he generally seems to be a hawk so we'll see.

 

 

A little more from Hegseth on the Ukrainian war...

 

[Nivek 16916]

Ukraine better hurry up and ratchet it up a notch.