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[FartingMonk 3608]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Problem is #fuckChina is conveniently hoarding more than half of the worlds grain supplies.  Seems a little too prescient, but I digress......

Meh.  You know how much grain we allow to rot away every year?

[Bevo 13600]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

I like this idea.  I really do.....except.....those devices are how people in Russia are getting information from non-state sources.  Their iPhones are among the most important weapons we have inside Russia.  Apple should push an update that allows easy access to non-state news sources.

Ukraine should not agree to a ceasefire.  That would only allow Russia to gather itself, re-supply, and position for a new assault.  When your opponent is in any amount of disarray, press your "advantage."  Even though Russia has the technical advantage based on numbers, Ukraine's advantage as far as being able to inflict pain and chaos is at its highest -- it should press its advantage, not surrender it.

If there is to be a ceasefire, it should also involve a Russian withrdawal.  In other words, there will be no ceasefire.

Disagree. If we are able to get them munitions, food and water, Ukraine can withstand Russia for a long, long time.

[The Dog 44138]

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

So stop fighting, but move towards the thing that started the fighting in the first place?

 

That was a red herring floated by Putin. 

5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

In no way, shape, or form, is it a sane idea to open a frontal war between NATO/the US and Russia.  The downside -- which includes extinction of the human race -- is WAY too large for any upside to justify it.  We are doing about the most we can without doing that, and even then, what we're doing is risky.

AND....if you give your opponent what he wants, you probably should re-think what you're doing.  Putin will goad us into direct action, because that's what he WANTS.  We should not give it to him.  He is in the process of losing.  Patience is our best weapon.

Putin doesn't want us there IMHO. His gamble is that we won't show up. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11820]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yes.  For two very good reasons:

1 -- we do not want to be in direct warfare with Russia.  We do not.  Because that shit can get out of control in a hurry, and no amount of juice is worth the potential squeeze.

2 -- Putin would love that.  He really would.  It would instantly legitimize his whole worldview and what he's been telling his people and leaders since the get-go: this is really a war with the West, who has been out to get Russia all along.

 

If your opponent is goading you into making a particular move......you should think very, very carefully before you make it.

SIAP, never interrupt your opponent when they are making a huge mistake.

[Gatorubet 30302]

Meh.  You know how much grain we allow to rot away every year?

Or, stop making shitty gas with ethanol. That will free a bushel or two.

[BachelorTrek 3061]

2 minutes ago, FartingMonk said:

Meh.  You know how much grain we allow to rot away every year?

We have the fattest rats ever.... have you ever been in LaGuardia Airport?  Lulz.

[phdhorn 6224]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I like this idea.  I really do.....except.....those devices are how people in Russia are getting information from non-state sources.  Their iPhones are among the most important weapons we have inside Russia.  Apple should push an update that allows easy access to non-state news sources.

However, it should also be noted that almost 3 out of 4 Russians own an Android vs. an iPhone. Too expensive for the average babushka.

[Neonmoon 38130]

The seizing of assets has begun

 

[BabaYaga 15312]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

That would only allow Russia to gather itself, re-supply, and position for a new assault.

It would also allow the reeling Ukes to resupply as well.  Let's not pretend that they are not in a precarious situation.  They are the ones surrounded and desperately in need of supplies.

 

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Ukraine's advantage as far as being able to inflict pain and chaos is at its highest

I get the macro point, but at this time, they (Ukes) might want to reduce as many civilian causalities as they possibly can?  Hard to say at this time.  

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

Just now, BachelorTrek said:

We have the fattest rats ever.... have you ever been in LaGuardia Airport?  Lulz.

I don't think it's proper to refer to the people of NY as rats. 

Or maybe it is. 

[Brisketexan 105315]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

Disagree. If we are able to get them munitions, food and water, Ukraine can withstand Russia for a long, long time.

You're not wrong -- both plays offer some advantage.  But right now, Russia is as off-balance and at a disadvantage as it is ever going to be.  I hate the idea of giving them ANY chance to get their feet back under them.

I've been in plenty of situations where I am at a terrible disadvantage, underprepared, etc.....like, I'm at a 3 out of 10.  BUT, sometimes that happens when my opponent is at an even greater disadvantage and is even less prepared -- like a 1 out of 10.  In that situation, I press my advantage, even though I'm not nearly as prepared as I'd like to be.

Relative advantage is the card here, and I think Ukraine holds it right now.  They shouldn't give it up.

[dcbc 14508]

3 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

SIAP, never interrupt your opponent when they are making a huge mistake.

-Abraham Lincoln

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

Just now, dcbc said:

-Abraham Lincoln

Here we go again...

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

One of my Romanian guys is still out. On Monday he asked for more time off because him and his wife have been picking up refugees from the border. As of last Monday they had already personally moved over two hundred people into Romania.

Gofund me for fuel and underwear that can support his righteous balls?

[Brisketexan 105315]

1 minute ago, dcbc said:

-Abraham Lincoln

[JesusSweatDuck 17809]

14 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

His army in tatters, even if they win, will be a considerable factor in limiting future aggression

Yeah, that coupled with the economy means he may not even be able to replace the hardware he's lost.

[BamaATL 16593]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

Here we go again...

Is he back to vampire hunting?

[CooterBrown 18027]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I like this idea.  I really do.....except.....those devices are how people in Russia are getting information from non-state sources.  Their iPhones are among the most important weapons we have inside Russia.  Apple should push an update that allows easy access to non-state news sources.

Apple & Microsoft should push out Ukraine messages. If they can send a goddamn U2 album to half the planet in 15 minutes, they can send real news to every Russian device.

[Parliament 14292]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

If we had forward-thinking leadership, we would be incentivizing American planting and strategic grain stores right now.  Because it may well be needed to save lives (and in the process, buy a metric shitton of goodwill for the USA - let's not forget to be cynical here).

US commodity futures markets are going bonkers this week.  Farmers have plenty of incentive now.

[BachelorTrek 3061]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

You're not wrong -- both plays offer some advantage.  But right now, Russia is as off-balance and at a disadvantage as it is ever going to be.  I hate the idea of giving them ANY chance to get their feet back under them.

I've been in plenty of situations where I am at a terrible disadvantage, underprepared, etc.....like, I'm at a 3 out of 10.  BUT, sometimes that happens when my opponent is at an even greater disadvantage and is even less prepared -- like a 1 out of 10.  In that situation, I press my advantage, even though I'm not nearly as prepared as I'd like to be.

Relative advantage is the card here, and I think Ukraine holds it right now.  They shouldn't give it up.

Ukraine needs to start blowing roads ahead and behind these huge columns and then push the ruskies' shit in.

Kill Box!

[dcbc 14508]

4 minutes ago, Parliament said:

US commodity futures markets are going bonkers this week.  Farmers have plenty of incentive now.

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by dcbc

[Judge Roybeanbag 11820]

2 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Here we go again...

I'm quite certain "Dildoes, etc." had been shuttered in the financial outfall."

[phdhorn 6224]

4 minutes ago, dcbc said:

-Abraham Lincoln

Countersigned by George Pickett

[The Dog 44138]

So here's what I'd want to know right now - what do the decision makers in Moscow (civilian and military and not Putin) know about the real situation in Ukraine? 

Are they all eating propaganda, or are they getting the real situation? 

[phdhorn 6224]

6 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

The seizing of assets has begun

 

Excellent! Next comes the Airing of Grievances.

[BabaYaga 15312]

2 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Yeah, that coupled with the economy means he may not even be able to replace the hardware he's lost.

Yep.  Then you factor in the most important element:  manpower

Such an unskilled army is overly reliant on those soldiers that DO have some semblance of training.  They are not so easily replaced.  

[Parliament 14292]

1 minute ago, dcbc said:

 

"Bonkers" like going up big.

['stache 21860]

So the thinking is that if the US and/or NATO intervened militarily to crush Russia for good, it'll be nuclear war. If the sanctions successfully isolate Russia and starts causing real starvation and related problems, what is to stop Putin from using nukes anyway? Once humans invented the goddamned things we guaranteed our own future demise. Why not now? Only half-way facetious here. If we intervene and can get Putin out of power right away maybe he doesn't have time to launch nukes, or maybe someone within would stop him from pushing the button. In reality, it's probably not worth poking that bear as fucked up as what they're doing to Ukraine is, but I am quite certain that we will extinct ourselves eventually.

[BabaYaga 15312]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

So here's what I'd want to know right now - what do the decision makers in Moscow (civilian and military and not Putin) know about the real situation in Ukraine? 

Are they all eating propaganda, or are they getting the real situation? 

My guess is the military leaders know a hell of a lot more of the realities of he battlefield than Putin does....and there will be more of this in the near future of things continue and the truth gets out (as it always does eventually)

[Goofyboy 3296]

So the thinking is that if the US and/or NATO intervened militarily to crush Russia for good, it'll be nuclear war. If the sanctions successfully isolate Russia and starts causing real starvation and related problems, what is to stop Putin from using nukes anyway? Once humans invented the goddamned things we guaranteed our own future demise. Why not now? Only half-way facetious here. If we intervene and can get Putin out of power right away maybe he doesn't have time to launch nukes, or maybe someone within would stop him from pushing the button. In reality, it's probably not worth poking that bear as fucked up as what they're doing to Ukraine is, but I am quite certain that we will extinct ourselves eventually.

I believe the hope / plan is Putin is taken out by his people and treaties signed, etc…

[BachelorTrek 3061]

3 minutes ago, dcbc said:

 

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

26 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

If we had forward-thinking leadership, we would be incentivizing American planting and strategic grain stores right now.  Because it may well be needed to save lives (and in the process, buy a metric shitton of goodwill for the USA - let's not forget to be cynical here).

I’m more than a little worried that a starving, economically destroyed and no longer militarily credible Russia might lead to a situation where some of those lives we’d be saving are our own. 

They don’t need to nuke our cities to dial much of the world back to the Stone Age with them. 

Im hoping Putin is retired in one fashion or another in short order, because I think the odds of him lashing out as a cornered animal are well above zero. And he doesn’t value life beyond his own. 

This is the first time in a long time that an opponent can reach out and touch us in ways the terrorist s only dreamed of consequences be damned. 

Edited March 1, 2022 by Bobby_Batronic

[BabaYaga 15312]

3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

So the thinking is that if the US and/or NATO intervened militarily to crush Russia for good, it'll be nuclear war. If the sanctions successfully isolate Russia and starts causing real starvation and related problems, what is to stop Putin from using nukes anyway? Once humans invented the goddamned things we guaranteed our own future demise. Why not now? Only half-way facetious here. If we intervene and can get Putin out of power right away maybe he doesn't have time to launch nukes, or maybe someone within would stop him from pushing the button. In reality, it's probably not worth poking that bear as fucked up as what they're doing to Ukraine is, but I am quite certain that we will extinct ourselves eventually.

So let's party?

Edited March 1, 2022 by BabaYaga

[Deej 76903]

21 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Shattered, one might say  

Shadoobie...

[BabaYaga 15312]

3 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I’m more than a little worried that a starving, economically destroyed and no longer militarily credible Russia might lead to a situation where some of those lives we’d be saving are our own. 

They don’t need to nuke our cities to dial much of the world back to the Stone Age with them. 

Im hoping Putin is retired in one fashion or another in short order, because I think the odds of him lashing out as a cornered animal might are well above zero. And he doesn’t value life beyond his own. 

Hence the earlier point about there needing to be a clear path "back" for Russia.  It's easy to say the removal of Putin, but there needs to be more than one.  

[phdhorn 6224]

2 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I’m more than a little worried that a starving, economically destroyed and no longer militarily credible Russia might lead to a situation where some of those lives we’d be saving are our own. 

They don’t need to nuke our cities to dial much of the world back to the Stone Age with them. 

Im hoping Putin is retired in one fashion or another in short order, because I think the odds of him lashing out as a cornered animal might are well above zero. And he doesn’t value life beyond his own. 

Fully agree with this. The "Maybe we can get Putin before he presses the button" tack would absolutely result in tactical nukes striking all over in the US & the world. Any success would have to be from the inside.

['stache 21860]

3 minutes ago, Goofyboy said:

I believe the hope / plan is Putin is taken out by his people and treaties signed, etc…

I hope it happens too and this can all be over.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Hence the earlier point about there needing to be a clear path "back" for Russia.  It's easy to say the removal of Putin, but there needs to be more than one.  

The posts are coming to quickly to track. Naturally a path back for Russia is key, but there is no path back for Putin. And he may act in a terrible fashion once he realizes it. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11820]

7 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

Excellent! Next comes the Airing of Grievances.

Putin sitting on infected Fusilli would be the chef's kiss, here.  

[BachelorTrek 3061]

25 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Shattered, one might say  

 

[Brisketexan 105315]

Just now, Bobby_Batronic said:

The posts are coming to quickly to track. Naturally a path back for Russia is key, but there is no path back for Putin. And he may act in a terrible fashion once he realizes it. 

Sadly, frighteningly.....THIS.

Russia and the Russian people have a path forward.

Putin does not.  And a cornered dog with nothing to lose can do some pretty terrible things.

[Loop 1604 227]

16 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

We have the fattest rats ever.... have you ever been in LaGuardia Airport?  Lulz.

Mmmm RATs

[BabaYaga 15312]

1 minute ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

The posts are coming to quickly to track. Naturally a path back for Russia is key, but there is no path back for Putin. And he may act in a terrible fashion once he realizes it. 

What if a ceasefire is agreed upon and Putin pulls his troops back?  Doubtful, but a contingency none the less?  My guess then is the sanctions remain as long as he remains, but no further military interventions and capital/aid flow into Ukraine

[Snake Diggity 4627]

A key thing to remember is that Russia (and certainly Putin) has a FUCK of a lot less to lose than the West if this thing escalates.  Anyone advocated the US doing much more than they already are is just wishing for a worldwide nuclear holocaust.

[dcbc 14508]

7 minutes ago, Deej said:

Shadoobie...

You got rats on the West Side, bed bugs uptown

[Post Oak 20261]

36 minutes ago, Zhorn96 said:

"OU warship, go fuck yourself"

Put it on a fucking shirt 

[bluto 4942]

@F250 let us know if there’s some way to get cash to your guy over there, I’d much rather send money to them than workswithseeds gofundme. 

[Steel Shank 9430]

Living in Lubbock is staring to look pretty good.

[gmr548 16612]

Ukraine is going to have more than one Alamo before this is all said and done.

Yep. We’re going to see this play out in Kharkiv and Kiev at a minimum.

[/url] Obviously they also have to worry about Lviv as well. But damn..
 

Humanitarian airlifts would be my only possible exception to the air power question below, but very little doubt Russia would shoot them down and then we’re in the position of getting directly involved or simply letting them kill humanitarians and Americans with impunity.

Is everyone 100% sure that we don’t want to bring our AirPower into this conflict over the skies of Ukraine?

Yes. NATO makes the decision pretty binary - did Russia attack a member? Yes or no? For direct involvement that’s the bar.

[Captainant 27760]

Just now, Steel Shank said:

Living in Lubbock is staring to look pretty good.