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12 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

FIFY..... you sound like the reporters who think anything with any armor and a gun is a tank. 

I'm definitely not a reporter. I'm just a guy on the internet virtually high-fiving some Ukrainian dudes for fucking up the Russians.  But thank you very much for the correction, I hope it made you feel better.

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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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7 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

I'm definitely not a reporter. I'm just a guy on the internet virtually high-fiving some Ukrainian dudes for fucking up the Russians.  But thank you very much for the correction, I hope it made you feel better.

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just because its got tank tracks doesnt mean its a tank.  and yes, I feel very much better correcting you.  

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3 hours ago, Buzzrock said:

I know, no one likes my take. I’m ok with that.

Would you have asked Israel in 1948/1949, or Britain in 1940/1941 to let other countries negotiate for them, even if it was to their detriment?

This is Ukraine's fight, and we have no right to demand they settle with Putin, when Putin will just ask for more. 

Russia has to be defeated, or they will simply come back in a few years after Putin's built up reserves/cash.

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marketplace tech's (former) host covered a lot of salton sea goings-ons (as well as some other projects) in the 'how we survive' podcast.  iirc she's starting another one but now she's moved into that industry.

 

 

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37 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

 

^^^^The crazy part is thats "only" a 30mm cannon.   It completely fucked up that BMP

 

kinda surprised they had the balls to take so many shots at the T72.  other than the treads the 30mm cannon isnt gonna penetrate that armor unless they manage to hit the same exact spot like 20 times.  and the T72 rounds would shred their vehicle.

 

FIFY..... you sound like the reporters who think anything with any armor and a gun is a tank. 

The BTR4 can also carry pods of 2 or 4 anti-tank missiles like the Bradley and Stryker can, but I didn't see them fire one there. 

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3 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

30mm doing work!  "Commandeered" Russian BTR-4 giving a little something back.  As they are skipping rounds off the ground, has to be Russian soldiers hiding behind it (in the video)

 

I feel like I'm watching myself play Battlefield 4 right now. BTR was the vehicle I had the highest killstreak in. 

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Thread on the 40 mile convoy

 

THIS POST WAS THE SINGLE MOST INFORMATIVE POST I HAVE READ ON THE WAR AGAINST UKRAINE; Re: Russian 40 Mile Convoy

I am not shouting at you, just wanted to emphasize. It is a long thread w./ embeded threads & pictures.  Read it if you want to be "informed", don't if you don't. 

I have taken the liberty of cutting & pasting the text. If you want pictures, go to the thread at Page 393, Post # 19640. Thank you cactusflinthead!!!

IMO, This points to the reason Kyiv will not be surrounded or taken by Russia.

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Convoy Thread 1/
Russian invasion of Ukraine involves a 40 mile (64km) long convoy of Russian military vehicles, that has been stalled for 2 weeks outside Kyiv the capital city of Ukraine. Some of the convoy is dispersing. I said convoy was a military mystery. Let's dig into it.

Convoy Thread 2/
From a military point of view, a convoy of military vehicles is a HIGH PRIORITY target, an 'easy' target. And prone to ambush. Ambushes are standard warfare against convoys. For example convoys of Soviet invasion to Afghanistan were regularly ambushed by Taliban.

Convoy Thread 3/
The way to ambush a convoy is to stop it at a congested road like mountain or forest road. Destroy first vehicle & last vehicle. Prevent escape. Then destroy whole convoy.

Finland vs Soviets in Winter War, Battle of Raate Road is classic case of how this is done.

Convoy Thread 4/
It has seemed odd that this 40 mile (64km) long convoy has been a SITTING DUCK for over two WEEKS. Was stalled, but not destroyed. It seemed... bizarre, considering how badly Russia is doing in the war, and how well Ukraine is doing.

Let's dig into it a bit more.

Convoy Thread 5/
News from Friday now, 2 weeks into the war is that SOME of the units in the convoy are 'dispersing' but only into NEARBY WOODS or villages, for shelter. The convoy has not MOVED - it has not ADVANCED. It is just seeking more shelter. It is not 'attacking' anyone.

Convoy Thread 6/
Let's do some analysis. Russian invasion of Ukraine is about 150,000 troops. A Russian division is about 10,000 troops (a bit more for rifle division, a bit less for tank or airborne division). So there are about 15 divisions of Russian soldiers in Ukraine today.

Convoy Thread 7/
A Russian division has about 1,200 military vehicles. About 300 tanks, about 400 armored fighting vehicles, a bit over 200 mobile artillery & mortar, plus 100 misc other armored vehicles.

And then 200 trucks to carry their fuel, ammunition, food etc, supplies.

Convoy Thread 8/
A 40 mile (64km) convoy of military vehicles in tight marching order, is about 3,000 vehicles. But the reporting was, that this convoy was grouped with gaps, so say half that, maybe there are roughly about 1,500 military vehicles. Could be one division + extras.

Convoy Thread 9/
But the reporting was that this was a convoy of TRUCKS with SOME armor to protect them. This is not a division on the move. No

This is a SUPPLY CONVOY, of military TRUCKS, not tanks. They carry fuel, ammunition, food for the soldiers on the front, & their tanks.

Convoy Thread 10/
Now the numbers make for fascinating detail. A standard Russian division of 1,200 total vehicles, has 200 supply trucks. Those carry the fuel, ammunition & food for ONE DAY of combat operations (the second, day, as the tanks carry one day of ammunition inside).

Convoy Thread 11/
The 200 trucks need to travel from Russia to their division (every night, round trip) to get the next day's ammunition, fuel & food, or else that division cannot fight. It is a standard measure of trucks, and how much the resupply is needed DAILY·

Convoy Thread 12/
So if this 40 mile (64km) convoy is about 1,500 vehicles, and they are mostly supply trucks, it could be about 1,400 supply trucks, with 100 armored vehicles 'riding shotgun' for protection. So this is total one day resupply for SEVEN DIVISIONS.

Convoy Thread 13/
Remember where this convoy is stuck? Dozen miles outside of Kyiv. Seven divisions, 70,000 men, is about the right number of soldiers to lay siege to Kyiv to surround city of 3 million.

Is consistent with 21,000 who sieged Grozny, city of 400,000 in Chechen war.

Convoy Thread 14/
Also understand Russian war plan for Ukraine. They had attacks in North, East and South. Out of about 150,000 men, roughly half would attack from North (from Belarus) in a 'blitzkrieg' lightning strike, to quickly take Kyiv. So 7 divisions is about right.


Convoy Thread 15/
We hear regular stories about ongoing fighting and modest advances by Russia in the SOUTH. There, they have ample supply & resupply. And we see catastrophic losses in the North, because Russian army is OUT OF RESUPPLY. All of their trucks are STUCK on this road.


Convoy Thread 16/
Let me be VERY clear.

A Russian division of 10,000 men carries only ONE day of ammunition, fuel & food INSIDE their vehicles, and a SECOND day is in those 200 trucks. Which HAVE to drive to Russia for the THIRD day of combat (& fourth, fifth, etc, every night).

Convoy Thread 17/
As long as these 1,400 resupply trucks are STUCK on the road - NO Russian Division in Northern Ukraine can continue to fight. They cannot move, they cannot shoot. The men are hungry, and forced to be stealing food. And many are surrendering.

Convoy Thread 18/
Note these are large military resupply trucks like Ural 5323 to move 152mm artillery shells & 122mm mortar shells & typically carry about 10 tons, & usually pull a trailer for another 10 tons. Yes. A Russian division consumes about 4,000 TONS of supply per DAY.

Convoy Thread 19/
With the total resupply force of 1,400 trucks stuck on ONE ROAD, the TOTAL Northern Russian army is IMMOBILIZED and out of ammo. This is why Ukraine is having continuous series of successes against the army in the North.

Convoy Thread 20/
Can they break out? No.

Could Ukraine destroy them? Yes but that is not a PRIORITY. They are STUCK. Destroy the TANKS first (7 divisions have 1,500 tanks in Northern Ukraine, now out of fuel).

Can Russia bring new trucks? No as ROADS into Ukraine now defended.

Convoy Thread 21/
This convoy was a MASSIVE MILITARY BLUNDER by Russia. Putin's Generals put all their eggs in one basket (in the North) and Ukraine can smash those eggs any day they want. Or wait until they surrender.

SMART TACTICS by Ukraine!


Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy Thread/1
It is day 19 of Ukraine War. On Day 1, a mysterious convoy of 40 miles (64km) became stuck on the shortest road from Belarus to Kyiv. & while an obvious target for ambush, Ukraine did not destroy this convoy.

Was a BRILLIANT tactical move!

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/2
As so many, I was bewildered, why did Ukraine not destroy this 'sitting duck' convoy. And I studied it, and pondered the military strategy involved. After two weeks, I wrote my analysis:

Russian invasion of Ukraine involves a 40 mile (64km) long convoy of Russian military vehicles, that has been stalled for 2 weeks outside Kyiv the capital city of Ukraine. Some of the convoy is dispersing. I said convoy was a military mystery. Let's dig into it.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/3
In the comments to my Thread, we had excellent discussions. I want to write this follow-up to answer some questions, and to discuss military relevance of the disaster of the 40 mile convoy, perhaps Putin's biggest military blunder of the Ukraine war.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/4
I was asked how many troops are in this 40 mile convoy. I said I estimate it is supply for 7 divisions = 1,400 supply trucks = driver + co-driver = 2,800 men.

And one regiment for escort = 2,000 infantry in 167 armored cars like this BTR-90.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/5
In terms of support troops, one such armored fighting vehicle and 12 men, for every 400 yards, of the 40 mile convoy. And in terms of vehicle interval, 8 supply trucks for every 1 armored car escort. All seem reasonable, in terms of convoy logistics.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/6
But understand, this convoy is not tanks. It is 1,400 heavy trucks, has 2,800 bus drivers, and protecting them a tiny detail of 2,000 infantry. This force of 4,800 total men could not defeat a Ukrainian girl scout camp. They are not a 'threat'.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/7
On Day 1, in Northern Ukraine the comrades of these 'bus drivers', the FIGHTING force of 7 divisions (70,000 men) ie 65,200 soldiers, 7,000 armored vehicles, attacked on OTHER roads, from Belarus, towards Kyiv. They ran out of fuel at 12 miles to go.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/8
Some had misunderstood my writing (I was not clear enough). This 40 mile convoy is not those 70,000 soldiers. It is the fuel, ammunition and food, for one day - for those 70,000 soldiers. Those 7 divisions have invaded Ukraine & are at gates of Kyiv.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/9
Some asked of alternate resupply. Yes. The moment a Russian General noticed his supply convoy is delayed, he would issue a command to ration supplies. This happened no later than Day 2. Conserve fuel food & ammo. That means MINIMAL MOVEMENT of armor.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/10
Next, as Day 3, Day 4, the supply convoy has not reached the troops, the Generals will demand urgent resupply of vital materials. This is not medicines. It is not food. The urgent resupply is DEFENSIVE ammunition, bullets, tank & anti-aircraft ammo.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/11
This urgent defensive ammo resupply happened daily by helicopter if necessary. The Russian soldiers never stopped fighting. The SECOND most urgent need was fuel. That they started to SCAVENGE from Ukrainians (diesel) & Russia sent what it could.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/12
The third need is offensive ammo. Artillery and mortar rounds, bombardment rockets. These are ENORMOUSLY bulky and heavy. They HAVE to be transported by ground, by heavy trucks. With the intended convoy stuck, Russia HAD to bring REPLACEMENT trucks.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/13
Food is almost forgotten & medical supplies, Russian army does not care too much about its casualties, so it is a low priority. When Russia noticed the 40 mile convoy is stuck they would start to organize alternative smaller convoys, on other roads.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/14
These replacement supply trucks have to come from active Russian military bases, 200 trucks appropriated from 7 nearest divisions, each, their total supply capacity, and driven to Northern Ukraine (through Belarus). About 2 days driving (empty).

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/15
Russia will replace most, perhaps all of the resupply capacity they lost in this 40 mile convoy. But Putin was forced to issue the order to be 'self-sufficient' ie rob the Ukrainian civilians for food and fuel, two weeks into this war.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/16
It means that rather than do full resupply from Russia, Putin will only send ammunition, and some fuel, and expects his Russian army to steal the rest of the fuel, and all of the food - & likely - that Putin knows, his tanks will not INVADE further.


Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/17
Which brings us to the evaluation of the blunder of 40 mile convoy. We know Russian armor and infantry reached Irpin, on NorthWest suburbs of Kyiv. But Russia did not encircle Kyiv (yet). It was one day of fuel to drive tanks from Belarus to Irpin.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/18
The designated refueling point was town of Hostomel (where Antonov airport is located). And this 40 mile convoy is less than an hour from Hostomel, the first trucks mere minutes from their destination, but unable to ever get there.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/19
Let me explain how gargantuan this problem is, in terms of fuel. A Russian T 80 tank has 2,000 liter (525 gallon) fuel capacity. An BMP-3 armored vehicle 700 liters. To refuel ONE DAY of the 7 divisions outside Kyiv takes 2 MILLION GALLONS of fuel.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/20
You know these railroad cars that carry fuel (30,000 gallons, 110,000 liters). It would take 69 such railroad cars to refuel the 7 Russian divisions FOR JUST ONE DAY, and they had run out of fuel 12 miles outside of Kyiv.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/21
We know Putin WANTED to encircle Kyiv, because that is what he did in Mariupol, and has been standard Putin tactic since the siege of the city of Grozny in (Second) Chechen War. The tanks arrived to Irpin for ONLY this purpose. But ran out of fuel.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/22
Because Russian armor & infantry is FIGHTING in Irpin & NorthWest suburbs of Kyiv, we know they drove there (from Belarus) which is one day of fuel. We know RESUPPLY fuel did not arrive (20% of those 1,400 trucks carry 2 million gallons of diesel).

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/23
There is no sense in Putin fighting ONLY in NorthWest suburbs of Kyiv, unless he wants to either INVADE Kyiv (a suicidal military mission) or ENCIRCLE Kyiv to BOMBARD it to submission as he did in Grozny 1999, and is trying in Mariupol & Kharkiv.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/24
Now we get to the crux of it. Russian invasion planners f*cked up royally by placing all their fuel trucks in one basket, that 40 mile convoy. Ukraine played it brilliantly, by blocking that convoy before it reached Hostomel.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/25
It takes JUST one day of fuel (2 million gallons) so that the 7,000 tanks and armored vehicles ALREADY 12 miles from Kyiv, can encircle Kyiv so Russia can lay siege to Kyiv - if there is not fierce resistance in those suburbs. Day 1 or Day 2-3.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/26
If Ukraine had destroyed the 40 mile convoy on Day 1 or Day 2, then Russian Generals would have URGENTLY organized total resupply to replace convoy from Day 2, latest Day 3, gotten resupplied by Day 4-Day 5, and proceeded to encircle Kyiv.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/27
But because the convoy was LITERALLY one hour from the designated refueling place, when Ukraine did not destroy the convoy, Russians thought, they can get part of it to come through, and spent at least a week trying, including a portable bridge.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/28
We do not yet know the outcome.

It is looking increasingly likely, that Ukraine will be able to prevent Russian army in the North, from EVER encircling Kyiv. The opportunity seems to be lost to Russia

If so, this was a HUGE military victory.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/29
Because Russia IS 12 miles from Kyiv, in the NorthWestern suburbs, they can bombard Kyiv daily & nightly. But Kyiv is not surrounded, they are not in the horrible conditions of Mariupol, trapped without supply routes or escape routes.

Aftermath of 40 Mile Convoy/30
Eventually we will know how long it took for the 7 divisions near Kyiv to be resupplied by new convoys. It SEEMS that wasted 2 weeks.

If so & if Kyiv is never encircled, strategy to let the convoy survive, saved Kyiv & thousands of civilian lives.
 

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3 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

30mm doing work!  "Commandeered" Russian BTR-4 giving a little something back.  As they are skipping rounds off the ground, has to be Russian soldiers hiding behind it (in the video)

 

If you watch you can see the "legs" behind the vehicle right before they start firing.

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8 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

Welp

It still seems disputed, but if they do jump in on Russia's side, word war seems much more likely.

Edit: I also just saw some discussion from the US admin suggesting that the use of chemical/biological weapons (which they warn is increasingly likely) would warrant a stronger response from US/NATO. If there's video of something like this occurring, it'll be really hard to continue justifying inaction to the hordes of citizens in the US and NATO who will be rightfully enraged.

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3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:


well fuck 

china wants to see how their equipment holds up against the west 

I doubt that. The Russians and Chinese have had little military coordination.  The Russians have no training in advanced Chinese post soviet tech. it be like us dropping off a Patriot Battery in Khiv. They wouldn’t know how to use it in connection to their other equipment and coordinate. 
 

 My guess is the Russians need basic supplies so bad they are willing to sign away the rights to all sorts of mineral, grain, and oil concessions to get it.  

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I doubt that. The Russians and Chinese have had little military coordination.  The Russians have no training in advanced Chinese post soviet tech. it be like us dropping off a Patriot Battery in Khiv. They wouldn’t know how to use it in connection to their other equipment and coordinate. 
 

 My guess is the Russians need basic supplies so bad they are willing to sign away the rights to all sorts of mineral, grain, and oil concessions to get it.  


do you even YouTube ???

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I doubt that. The Russians and Chinese have had little military coordination.  The Russians have no training in advanced Chinese post soviet tech. it be like us dropping off a Patriot Battery in Khiv. They wouldn’t know how to use it in connection to their other equipment and coordinate. 
 

 My guess is the Russians need basic supplies so bad they are willing to sign away the rights to all sorts of mineral, grain, and oil concessions to get it.  

And, of course, Russia will promise to fully support China when they "liberate" Taiwan...  😠

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I doubt that. The Russians and Chinese have had little military coordination.  The Russians have no training in advanced Chinese post soviet tech. it be like us dropping off a Patriot Battery in Khiv. They wouldn’t know how to use it in connection to their other equipment and coordinate. 
 

 My guess is the Russians need basic supplies so bad they are willing to sign away the rights to all sorts of mineral, grain, and oil concessions to get it.  

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There's a deal to be made with a desperate counter-party who will give damn near anything to get what you have?   China sees that and does its best....

 

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The Air Force is the pride of Ukraine!

 The guards of the Ukrainian sky have 77 planes and 90 enemy helicopters.
 Those who came to us with the sword will die by the sword.

 More than one "ghost" is hunting for you, enemies!

 

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