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[DDD Dad 14133]

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Can you people appreciate what it’s like for me to work with Brisket? I mean, it’s just like this day in and day out.

God, it makes me pine for the days of working with @DDD Dad, and that was no picnic—believe me.

[Brisketexan 104181]

5 minutes ago, phdhorn said:

I think he was comparing current Russian soldiers to lawyers - 5,000 in a burial pit is a good start.

(ok,ok, joke, sheesh!)

At this point, I'm thinking that a regiment of American lawyers might put up a better fight than a regiment of whatever Russia sent to Ukraine has done.

Just now, phdhorn said:

LOL just watch Mad Vlad at his "rally" badly misquoting John 15:13, " Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends."

...So? Put up or shut up, dipshit.

Shoulda gone with Ezekiel....would have been just as relevant, and more of an attention grabber:

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There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
 

 

[MillerEP 30306]

18 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

NCOs are the backbone of our entire military. Specifically, NCOs who know how to get exactly what they need from those below them and above them the vast majority of the time.

We adapted to Small Unit Tactics decades ago, with a huge emphasis on empowering a strong SNCO core, and junior officers who could make tactical decisions on the fly. We are all given the commander's intent, and understand the basic mission objective we're going on. Absent of that we know the intent, so if we lose our leadership we can easily pick up where they left off and complete the mission. 

Russia is not doing this, which is why so many Generals, Majors, and Colonels, are getting killed. They're micromanagers relying on untrained conscripts. So when things break down they have to get the senior leadership to go down to the front to make sense of it and unfuck it. This puts a big target on their back and gets them killed in large numbers. This is also backed up by the fact that the actual troops on the ground have no clue what is going on. They don't know the tactical OR strategic mission, the leadership is keeping that close to the vest which causes these units to fall apart when their leadership is taken out, or when they reach the current objective they were told about, they stop and sit tight and wait for further orders. 

There is a really good Forbes quote about this from a French soldier:

"Anyone with a passing knowledge of Kipling knows the lines from Chant Pagan: 'If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white/remember it's ruin to run from a fight./ So take open order, lie down, sit tight/ And wait for supports like a soldier./ This, in fact, is the basic philosophy of both British and Continental soldiers. 'In the absence of orders, take a defensive position.' Indeed, virtually every army in the world. The American soldier and Marine, however, are imbued from early in their training with the ethos: In the Absence of Orders: Attack! Where other forces, for good or ill, will wait for precise orders and plans to respond to an attack or any other 'incident', the American force will simply go, counting on firepower and SOP to carry the day.

This is one of the great strengths of the American force in combat and it is something that even our closest allies, such as the Brits and Aussies (that latter being closer by the way) find repeatedly surprising. No wonder it surprises the hell out of our enemies..."

[Brisketexan 104181]

4 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

There is a really good Forbes quote about this from a French soldier:

"Anyone with a passing knowledge of Kipling knows the lines from Chant Pagan: 'If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white/remember it's ruin to run from a fight./ So take open order, lie down, sit tight/ And wait for supports like a soldier./ This, in fact, is the basic philosophy of both British and Continental soldiers. 'In the absence of orders, take a defensive position.' Indeed, virtually every army in the world. The American soldier and Marine, however, are imbued from early in their training with the ethos: In the Absence of Orders: Attack! Where other forces, for good or ill, will wait for precise orders and plans to respond to an attack or any other 'incident', the American force will simply go, counting on firepower and SOP to carry the day.

This is one of the great strengths of the American force in combat and it is something that even our closest allies, such as the Brits and Aussies (that latter being closer by the way) find repeatedly surprising. No wonder it surprises the hell out of our enemies..."

Loved it the first time I read that.  Gave some real insight into our combat philosophy, and why it's been pretty damned successful.

[BabaYaga 15189]

6 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

We adapted to Small Unit Tactics decades ago, with a huge emphasis on empowering a strong SNCO core, and junior officers who could make tactical decisions on the fly. We are all given the commander's intent, and understand the basic mission objective we're going on. Absent of that we know the intent, so if we lose our leadership we can easily pick up where they left off and complete the mission. 

This was the core point Ambrose pointed out between the success of the US vs Axis soldiers, especially during the Normandy invasion and subsequent push inland.  He covered this repeatedly in BOB & Citizen Soldiers and did a masterful job in weaving this into Saving Private Ryan 

[BabaYaga 15189]

11 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

This is also backed up by the fact that the actual troops on the ground have no clue what is going on.

Jocko has a whole chapter on this in his first book:  decentralized command.  Good read and great point on what's going on in Ukraine.  

[BachelorTrek 2908]

2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Sweet footage

 

Their top-of-the-line Ka-52 helos seem inferior to our baseline AH-64 Apaches, even before the Longbow upgrades. They seem a whole lot easier to ground or outright destroy.

[BachelorTrek 2908]

30 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

[T-shirt Sip 2091]

5 hours ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Nestle hasn't pulled out of the Russian market. Here are the products to boycott-

I have to boycott Fancy Feast and Friskies? Looks like my wife's bitch ass finicky cat is about to die. I guess we all have to make sacrifices for the greater good. Poor bastard. 

[RDCanecutter 26157]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Discovery and History and Military channels all lied to us.  

Except about Atlantis.

[Trey3216 15314]

1 hour ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Futureman wants that back

He’ll have to tug it away from @NowThis 

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18 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

Their top-of-the-line Ka-52 helos seem inferior to our baseline AH-64 Apaches, even before the Longbow upgrades. They seem a whole lot easier to ground or outright destroy.

They are easy to tow

 

[MillerEP 30306]

According to preliminary information, the commander of the 8th All-Military Army of the Southern Military District of the Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Andriy Mordvichov, was killed in Chornobayivka, reports The Insider.

Trophy SAM "Strela-10"

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by MillerEP

[RDCanecutter 26157]

1 hour ago, Zonahorn said:

MOAR

Go Medici on their ass.

[Pato del Muerto 52184]

57 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

We adapted to Small Unit Tactics decades ago, with a huge emphasis on empowering a strong SNCO core, and junior officers who could make tactical decisions on the fly. We are all given the commander's intent, and understand the basic mission objective we're going on. Absent of that we know the intent, so if we lose our leadership we can easily pick up where they left off and complete the mission. 

Russia is not doing this, which is why so many Generals, Majors, and Colonels, are getting killed. They're micromanagers relying on untrained conscripts. So when things break down they have to get the senior leadership to go down to the front to make sense of it and unfuck it. This puts a big target on their back and gets them killed in large numbers. This is also backed up by the fact that the actual troops on the ground have no clue what is going on. They don't know the tactical OR strategic mission, the leadership is keeping that close to the vest which causes these units to fall apart when their leadership is taken out, or when they reach the current objective they were told about, they stop and sit tight and wait for further orders. 

There is a really good Forbes quote about this from a French soldier:

"Anyone with a passing knowledge of Kipling knows the lines from Chant Pagan: 'If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white/remember it's ruin to run from a fight./ So take open order, lie down, sit tight/ And wait for supports like a soldier./ This, in fact, is the basic philosophy of both British and Continental soldiers. 'In the absence of orders, take a defensive position.' Indeed, virtually every army in the world. The American soldier and Marine, however, are imbued from early in their training with the ethos: In the Absence of Orders: Attack! Where other forces, for good or ill, will wait for precise orders and plans to respond to an attack or any other 'incident', the American force will simply go, counting on firepower and SOP to carry the day.

This is one of the great strengths of the American force in combat and it is something that even our closest allies, such as the Brits and Aussies (that latter being closer by the way) find repeatedly surprising. No wonder it surprises the hell out of our enemies..."

Sir, the private’s first general order is to Get Some, sir!

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[RDCanecutter 26157]

1 hour ago, JMFP said:

I'm surprised some enterprising counties haven't done this yet...

Tell the sheriff that a mansion belongs to a relative of a poor drug-dealing local.

[Auto Driller 2502]

Between the officers getting killed on the frontline and the ones getting purged at home, the Russian army is going to be led by NCOs pretty soon whether they like it or not.

[JesusSweatDuck 17780]

14 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

He’ll have to tug it away from out of @NowThis's anus

FIFY

[FartingMonk 3605]

56 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

We adapted to Small Unit Tactics decades ago, with a huge emphasis on empowering a strong SNCO core, and junior officers who could make tactical decisions on the fly. We are all given the commander's intent, and understand the basic mission objective we're going on. Absent of that we know the intent, so if we lose our leadership we can easily pick up where they left off and complete the mission. 

Russia is not doing this, which is why so many Generals, Majors, and Colonels, are getting killed. They're micromanagers relying on untrained conscripts. So when things break down they have to get the senior leadership to go down to the front to make sense of it and unfuck it. This puts a big target on their back and gets them killed in large numbers. This is also backed up by the fact that the actual troops on the ground have no clue what is going on. They don't know the tactical OR strategic mission, the leadership is keeping that close to the vest which causes these units to fall apart when their leadership is taken out, or when they reach the current objective they were told about, they stop and sit tight and wait for further orders. 

There is a really good Forbes quote about this from a French soldier:

"Anyone with a passing knowledge of Kipling knows the lines from Chant Pagan: 'If your officer's dead and the sergeants look white/remember it's ruin to run from a fight./ So take open order, lie down, sit tight/ And wait for supports like a soldier./ This, in fact, is the basic philosophy of both British and Continental soldiers. 'In the absence of orders, take a defensive position.' Indeed, virtually every army in the world. The American soldier and Marine, however, are imbued from early in their training with the ethos: In the Absence of Orders: Attack! Where other forces, for good or ill, will wait for precise orders and plans to respond to an attack or any other 'incident', the American force will simply go, counting on firepower and SOP to carry the day.

This is one of the great strengths of the American force in combat and it is something that even our closest allies, such as the Brits and Aussies (that latter being closer by the way) find repeatedly surprising. No wonder it surprises the hell out of our enemies..."

Strategic and tactical is how it was always explained to me.  Our fleet has a strategic mission.  The rest of us have tactical missions.  So even if we don't talk to high command for a few days we know what the goal.

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23 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

According to preliminary information, the commander of the 8th All-Military Army of the Southern Military District of the Russian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Andriy Mordvichov, was killed in Chornobayivka, reports The Insider.

12 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

Between the officers getting killed on the frontline and the ones getting purged at home, the Russian army is going to be led by NCOs pretty soon whether they like it or not.

At this point, the Russian military is basically this guy

 

And they can bring in their more experienced/equipped troops from around Moscow or whatever, but those troops will be facing very experienced Ukrainian troops who have been digging in and preparing defensive positions for a long time, and who are extremely well-armed.

Edited March 18, 2022 by atomheartbevo

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[BabaYaga 15189]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Digging in.  Reinforcements on the way.  They skered....

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Digging in.  Reinforcements on the way.  They skered....

Also means they are going to need their supply lines to extend all the way to where they are dug in.  Wouldn't take many Ukrainians with missiles and long-range sniper rifles to patiently wait for supplies to show and then wreak havoc.

[immamac 42327]

Ukraine straight up may WIN if this goes on 2 more weeks. That's actually insane. 

[tx 3 putt 75844]

Stripes called it for us, years ago ................

 

[BamaATL 16592]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Digging in.  Reinforcements on the way.  They skered....

That's a bold strategy Cotton.  The army conducting the siege is digging in to be themselves under siege.  

[InkaUtexas 25164]

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Digging in.  Reinforcements on the way.  They skered....

Digging in so can level cities. Fucking assholes. 

[tx 3 putt 75844]

Just now, InkaUtexas said:

Digging in so can level cities. Fucking assholes. 

 

i have little doubt that those locations have been transmitted to the proper 'foreign' fighters. who just happened to bring them nice new night optics and new toys that go bang. they're going to put together hunter groups and go take care of those pests. hunt them down like rats

[TXSG8R 3325]

54 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

Their top-of-the-line Ka-52 helos seem inferior to our baseline AH-64 Apaches, even before the Longbow upgrades. They seem a whole lot easier to ground or outright destroy.

An Apache is just as vulnerable to ground fire/MANPADS, the difference in attrition is more due to TTPs IMO. Combat helo pilots loathe daytime ops. Even with the ability to terrain mask and rely on mast mounted radar, you’re still easy to see and shoot from the ground. I knew day one seeing the Russians flying lazy donuts in daylight that they were in deep shit. Their NVGs must be dogshit, or their pilots aren’t current on them.  Flying at night takes a LOT of training, and it’s been a point of emphasis for our forces for a long time due to being a big part of the majority of class A mishaps. My guess is they didn’t want to spend the money on NVG upkeep and/or flight hours. 

[MillerEP 30306]

^Tough to watch, and I don't even have children.

 

A RuTracker representative told Forbes that the platform "in the current situation does not support any actions of the Russian authorities." Therefore, access will be blocked for users from Russia, even if Roskomnadzor removes the site from the register of prohibited

Edited March 18, 2022 by MillerEP

[Parliament 14062]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Loved it the first time I read that.  Gave some real insight into our combat philosophy, and why it's been pretty damned successful.

To be clear, I was joking about being upset by your officer/lawyer comparison. 

[RDCanecutter 26157]

3 minutes ago, Parliament said:

To be clear, I was joking about being upset by your officer/lawyer comparison. 

Indeed, some officers and NCO warp regulations with such pettifoggery and chicanery that a mere lawyer looks like an honest brick mason by comparison.

They all wither away under the gaze of the Motor Pool Clerk.

[Zonahorn 8056]

Bye

[Sbbruin 21651]

3 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Bye

[686 3382]

Russian Orlan-10 drone shot down.

I wonder if the Ruskies use Testers glue on their drones or rubber cement? Would have been cooler if they had taken the time to apply the decals too; sure sign of cutting corners…

[Sbbruin 21651]

26 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^Tough to watch, and I don't even have children.

 

 

The one with the baby.  Motherfucker.  Fuck.

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Rob Lee is posting his thoughts now that he's seen the Russians digging in.

 

 

 

[Pato del Muerto 52184]

22 minutes ago, 686 said:

 

I wonder if the Ruskies use Testers glue on their drones or rubber cement? Would have been cooler if they had taken the time to apply the decals too; sure sign of cutting corners…

 

I meant to post earlier that their drones look a lot like the balsa framed paper skinned model I cut out and assembled 35 years ago. 
 

I wonder if theirs is propelled by a rubber band as well.

 

eta: found a pic of one

Edited March 18, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

[Zonahorn 8056]

Russia cannot into propaganda

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Whole thread is worth a read

 

[Sbbruin 21651]

9 minutes ago, 686 said:

 

I wonder if the Ruskies use Testers glue on their drones or rubber cement? Would have been cooler if they had taken the time to apply the decals too; sure sign of cutting corners…

 

I had one of those!

[TXSG8R 3325]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Rob Lee is posting his thoughts now that he's seen the Russians digging in.

 

 

 

Cruelty is the point. That and destroying as much of Ukraine as possible to make the EU blink about accepting them due to the massive rebuild/economy restart cost.  

[TXSG8R 3325]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I meant to post earlier that their drones look a lot like the balsa framed paper skinned model I cut out and assembled 35 years ago. 
 

I wonder if theirs is propelled by a rubber band as well.

We have some really lightweight drones that look similar to this. Raven is one that comes to mind. Some are designed to come apart on “landing” to disperse impact energy. 
 

[InkaUtexas 25164]

Use seized russian funds to rebuild Ukraine. Make Russia match it with resources. Until they do that they never get to do anything with the international community. No sports.  

[TXSG8R 3325]

5 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Use seized russian funds to rebuild Ukraine. Make Russia match it with resources. Until they do that they never get to do anything with the international community. No sports.  

That’s getting into treaty of Versailles territory, which worked so well the first time. Maybe use oligarch seized stuff, but the Russian people can’t be punished continuously for Putin’s choices unless you want to galvanize Russian sentiment even further that the west is out to fuck them. 

[InkaUtexas 25164]

Yeah, I know. But they need to pay for part of it. 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3867]

4 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

That’s getting into treaty of Versailles territory, which worked so well the first time. Maybe use oligarch seized stuff, but the Russian people can’t be punished continuously for Putin’s choices unless you want to galvanize Russian sentiment even further that the west is out to fuck them. 

Oil at cost to produce for 30 years.

[Zhorn96 1772]

41 minutes ago, Zonahorn said:

Bye

Another one?