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[GW Hayduke 1956]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Russia pivoted on their initial demands for Germany to ONLY pay in rubles

Yes. Putin ordered his energy exporters to ensure 80% of the trades used rubles.  That is Putin propping up the ruble. 

It should be noted that Germany thus far has rebuffed Russia’s requirement that trades occur in ruble.

Russia clearly did not plan for the sanctions and clearly isn’t prepared for the impact that will occur to their economy - especially the long term impact of Germany and others moving away from Russian energy.

Addressing short term, Volker Weiland also thinks western sanctions will impact Russia. “They weaken not only elites, but also the national economy as a whole, and thus also Putin’s ability to finance his Army.” 

Addressing mid term, LNG will free Germany from dependence on Russia.

Addressing long term, carbon neutrality will potentially severe their ties.

[atomheartbevo 90476]

6 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep.  This was my point earlier.  Full transparency with the Russian population.  Apparently many of the Russians boomers are resigned to regular tuning in to state run media.  It's the young generation that is the hope now.  

And the younger generation is going to either keep their heads down to avoid jail, or some will just bail.  

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/europe/russia-ukraine-brain-drain-graphics-intl-cmd/index.html

[BabaYaga 15513]

2 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

Yes. Putin ordered his energy exporters to ensure 80% of the trades used rubles.  That is Putin propping up the ruble. 

It should be noted that Germany thus far has rebuffed Russia’s requirement that trades occur in ruble.

Russia clearly did not plan for the sanctions and clearly isn’t prepared for the impact that will occur to their economy - especially the long term impact of Germany and others moving away from Russian energy.

Addressing short term, Volker Weiland also thinks western sanctions will impact Russia. “They weaken not only elites, but also the national economy as a whole, and thus also Putin’s ability to finance his Army.” 

Addressing mid term, LNG will free Germany from dependence on Russia.

Addressing long term, carbon neutrality will potentially severe their ties.

There's a lot they didn't plan for - first and foremost was the pushback from the initial invasion.  Everything else cascaded down from there.  Mid and long terms talks are fine, but you have to get out of the immediate.  This is what is also crippling Germany and many other EU nations as well.  I believe Russia is better positioned to weather this than the west.  This has a direct impact on support for Ukraine.  Layer in Russia finding other outlets for their exports, it becomes a game of who can handle the pain longer.  

[TexasEd 8241]

11 hours ago, Da Fino said:

Man I’ve been worried about this. I’m worried things are about to get messy and a lot of people have been overly optimistic about the current situation.

[atomheartbevo 90476]

We really ramped up arming them

 

[atomheartbevo 90476]

 

[Viper 12200]

10 minutes ago, GW Hayduke said:

Yes. Putin ordered his energy exporters to ensure 80% of the trades used rubles.  That is Putin propping up the ruble. 

It should be noted that Germany thus far has rebuffed Russia’s requirement that trades occur in ruble.

Russia clearly did not plan for the sanctions and clearly isn’t prepared for the impact that will occur to their economy - especially the long term impact of Germany and others moving away from Russian energy.

Addressing short term, Volker Weiland also thinks western sanctions will impact Russia. “They weaken not only elites, but also the national economy as a whole, and thus also Putin’s ability to finance his Army.” 

Addressing mid term, LNG will free Germany from dependence on Russia.

Addressing long term, carbon neutrality will potentially severe their ties.

its been very frustrating because people have been warning Germany for years that this would happen when they shut down all their nuclear plants. 

[Dahobbs 18134]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We really ramped up arming them

 

I assume we are going to end up paying for a couple new factories to mass produce the replacements. I don't know that the military (or congress) is going to be willing to wait on replacements on a 500 a year rate. 

[BabaYaga 15513]

19 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

Meaning it's exponentially higher than that in reality.  

[BabaYaga 15513]

18 minutes ago, Viper said:

its been very frustrating because people have been warning Germany for years that this would happen when they shut down all their nuclear plants. 

This

[Hefeweizen 5412]

Exhibit eleventy-one on “Russians are pieces of dick “.

[The Dog 44714]

 

tl;dw:

US intelligence is saying that Putin is STILL unaware of how things are really going in Ukraine because his advisors are afraid to tell him the truth. 

[BabaYaga 15513]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

 

tl;dw:

US intelligence is saying that Putin is STILL unaware of how things are really going in Ukraine because his advisors are afraid to tell him the truth. 

I wonder if it's a cocktail of doesn't know and doesn't care? 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8959]

Things are going according to plan considering you haven’t taken over the capital you wanted to control by day 3 or made any significant ground gain in the last few weeks.

Nobody wants to tell him because they’d probably be killed on the spot

[Parliament 14534]

59 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We really ramped up arming them

 

Are we gonna literally run out?

[Mother mopar 3377]

I assume we are going to end up paying for a couple new factories to mass produce the replacements. I don't know that the military (or congress) is going to be willing to wait on replacements on a 500 a year rate. 

Or we're clearing space for a new anti-tank missile that may or may not already be in production

[tx 3 putt 78377]

6 hours ago, Hefeweizen said:

Sorry, you may want to re-read that and figure out what you wanted to say but it made no sense.

 

In other news, Kadyrov is a fake fucking tough guy:

 

 

 

 

he needs to be introduced to a swarm of switchblade drones

[Pig Bellmont 8854]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

We really ramped up arming them

 

Using our missiles to destroy Russian tanks is a pretty great investment if you ask me.  

[tx 3 putt 78377]

7 minutes ago, Mother mopar said:

Or we're clearing space for a new anti-tank missile that may or may not already be in production

 javelin was put into service in the late 90's, while it's been upgraded you just know there's something better and deadlier in the R&D pipeline 

[tx 3 putt 78377]

1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Using our missiles to destroy Russian tanks is a pretty great investment if you ask me.  

[Bateshorn 9985]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

QFT, and bolded for extra truth.

I do think this ultimately ends along some of the lines that Zelensky proposes.  But that only happens when Russia is mentally ready to make that deal.  And they aren't even close to ready.

I am in the fighting business, literally -- my entire professional life has been dedicated to people fighting and negotiating an end to those fights.  And I have lost count of how many times my client has asked "why won't the other guys just listen to reason?  Our suggested path is the reasonable one, and we all know that's exactly how this case is going to end?"  The answer is almost always "because they are not ready to listen to reason.  They will not listen to reason until we've bloodied their nose, probably several times.  When they've tried all the permutations of being unreasonable, and the only outcome is that it cost them lots of money and even costs them some of their positions in this lawsuit, THEN they will be ready to listen to reason.  And not a moment before."

Unreasonable people behave in predictable ways, across the world.  Russia is the unreasonable aggressor here.  They will almost certainly eventually listen to reason.  But not until they have expended a crippling amount of blood and treasure and their nose has been bloodied repeatedly.  Oh, and remember my other point that has also proven true: sometimes, that change in perspective doesn't come until the opposite side has spent a fortune, had their nose bloodied and legs chopped out from under them, and then regime change happens, and the new regime is willing to move forward with reasonable thinking.  That is often in play as well.

You can wish it were otherwise.  I often do.  My clients often do.  Our wishes have to date gone completely unfulfilled.  Just sharing with you a lifetime of data that you might want to consider, @MaybeACoordinator.

This is such a great analogy.  An org I know went through years of crippling legal battles, as the aggressor, over something that could have been settled easily in a win/win fashion, because emotion was involved. Only after repeated losses, culminating in a judge metaphorical kicking out all the orgs teeth and smashing its jaw did the org settle.  The legal fees alone were more than what the original win-win option would have been, to say nothing of the settlement. 
 

I see it in lobbying every day: just take a compromise and set the law. It’ll be decades before it gets changed, if ever.  Instead, groups will fight over regs which swing according to administration, and spend way more on lobbyists and lawyers than they would lose by settling and figuring out a way to profit in the new market place.

[MillerEP 30803]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/gazprom-offices-targeted-eu-antitrust-raids-source-2022-03-30/

Gazprom offices targeted in EU antitrust raids - source

[MillerEP 30803]

Captive Bagheera, a terrorist who shot and tortured our soldiers in 2014.

Kyiv region, Russian BMD-2 destroyed

Irpin

Trophy MSTA-C in excellent condition, North Command

Two trophy and one destroyed Russian tank T-72B3, Raisin

The cost of Russians on toilet paper in March increased by an average of 25% compared to February - TASS.

 Pochali їsti vіtchiznyanu delinquency from five-o'clock. 🧻

❗️ The occupiers began to mine the territory of Ukraine with POM-3 "Medallion" mines.

 The non-governmental organization "Association of Sappers of Ukraine" reported the use of POM-3 "Medallion" anti-personnel mines by Russian invaders during remote mining of the territory of Ukraine.

A column of Russian terrorists was destroyed, including the Buk SAM.

Keep the cat for morale relief 

Another portion of broken and abandoned Russian equipment from Trostyanets.

Trophy "Assault", a Soviet self-propelled anti-tank missile system with a supersonic missile 9M114 "Cocoon", which is equipped with a radio command guidance system. Based on MT-LB.

Irpin now. Russian war criminals have turned a cozy suburb of Kiev into a ghost town. Buildings are destroyed, dead people lie on the streets.

 We will never forget this and will never forgive.

Before

After

 There are many enemy vehicles on the territory of the complex, the Russian occupiers load everything they take out of the apartments all day long and send them to the village of Blystavytsia.

In the morning, the occupiers fired on the residential areas of Lysychansk with heavy weapons. There are victims, their number is still unknown.

Trophy BMD and prisoners.

Kharkiv region, trophy Tunguska

Fresh trophy Russian Tigers

[tx 3 putt 78377]

Russian rapist need to be rounded up and beaten to the death and/or a knife to the back of the head. no need wasting a bullet 

[dimyh 1881]

37 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 javelin was put into service in the late 90's, while it's been upgraded you just know there's something better and deadlier in the R&D pipeline 

Yeah defense spending is going to be crazy. And we are not even factoring the need to up spending for some obvious gaps in our 21st C playbook. Clearly we have a tractor gap that we need to rectify pronto!

[MillerEP 30803]

^No clue how they can trust them

Putin's horde is retreating from Bucha, simultaneously robbing everything they see - they grab household appliances, kitchens and even women's panties. Putin's Russia is a country where, in order to give your wife panties, you have to go to war and rob other people's houses.

[Orange&White 5563]

3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

 

I am in the fighting business, literally -- my entire professional life has been dedicated to people fighting and negotiating an end to those fights.  And I have lost count of how many times my client has asked "why won't the other guys just listen to reason?  Our suggested path is the reasonable one, and we all know that's exactly how this case is going to end?"  The answer is almost always "because they are not ready to listen to reason.  They will not listen to reason until we've bloodied their nose, probably several times.  When they've tried all the permutations of being unreasonable, and the only outcome is that it cost them lots of money and even costs them some of their positions in this lawsuit, THEN they will be ready to listen to reason.  And not a moment before."

 

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did this story end in one party taking a popular website out of spite only for that website to end up as a haven for scat porn?

[Longhornlove 5122]

53 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 javelin was put into service in the late 90's, while it's been upgraded you just know there's something better and deadlier in the R&D pipeline 

From my understanding, we don't give away/sell anything that we don't already have a better version of. We sell outdated versions and hand me downs.

[tx 3 putt 78377]

8 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Putin's horde is retreating from Bucha, simultaneously robbing everything they see - they grab household appliances, kitchens and even women's panties. Putin's Russia is a country where, in order to give your wife panties, you have to go to war and rob other people's houses.

 

 

[Chad Fuck 18070]

Good plan to create a de-facto demilitarized one

I’m not entirely for this. I think as many Russian troops should pass through there as possible. Maybe set up an R&R station in the red forest.

[MillerEP 30803]

 

Links because of Autoplay:

Z Mobile destroyed in Moscow

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ts4zm1/zmobile_destroyed_in_moskow/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

Tank T-34 at the memorial to Soviet troops in Berlin covered with Ukrainian flag. The Russian Embassy sent a note of protest, but the Berlin authorities replied that the T-34 tank was developed in Kharkov, and Kharkov is Ukraine.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ts6dfv/tank_t34_at_the_memorial_to_soviet_troops_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

This is Mariupol. Just to put things into perspective for non-Ukrainians

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/ts4v8s/this_is_mariupol_just_to_put_things_into/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[Brisketexan 106430]

13 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

This sounds vaguely familiar. Did this story end in one party taking a popular website out of spite only for that website to end up as a haven for scat porn?

Like I said....unreasonable people behave predictably.  There are more parallels in this world than you can imagine, man.

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3873]

2 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

I assume we are going to end up paying for a couple new factories to mass produce the replacements. I don't know that the military (or congress) is going to be willing to wait on replacements on a 500 a year rate. 

Or we're planning to replace with loitering munitions.

[Royalfan5 2383]

26 minutes ago, dimyh said:

Yeah defense spending is going to be crazy. And we are not even factoring the need to up spending for some obvious gaps in our 21st C playbook. Clearly we have a tractor gap that we need to rectify pronto!

With the exception of the Fendts and the leftover MTZ's the bulk of the tractors you are seeing came off lines in Waterloo and Racine. 

[Brisketexan 106430]

2 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Or we're planning to replace with loitering munitions.

I dunno.  That seems short-sighted.  What if the rooskies post these signs?

[BabaYaga 15513]

17 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I’m not entirely for this. I think as many Russian troops should pass through there as possible. Maybe set up an R&R station in the red forest.

Nice shower facility?

[Chad Fuck 18070]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Nice shower facility?

Holy shit.  I'd forgotten all about that part.  Awesome!

[Armybrat 41269]

23 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

I’m not entirely for this. I think as many Russian troops should pass through there as possible. Maybe set up an R&R station in the red forest.

Can’t wait to read the glowing reviews on Yelp & Trip Advisor

[MillerEP 30803]

Intercepted voice calls Russian soldiers talk about rape and eating dogs

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tsacwo/intercepted_voice_calls_russian_soldiers_talk/

 

Russia Calling 100,000 Reservists to Active Duty and Moving Wagner Group From Syria to Deal With Ukraine Manpower Crunch - Watchman.Today

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/try3gr/russia_calling_100000_reservists_to_active_duty/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Jewelry work of mortars.

Defenders of Ukraine do not throw anyone into trouble, even frightened animals, this is a cat saved from Irpen.

Irpin.

Lieutenant Ken Ree, former UDT / SEAL operator in Korea, is now fighting a horde in the Ukrainian Foreign Legion 🇰🇷

Soldiers of the Crimea Battalion cleared the forest today.

 The fighters also conducted reconnaissance and collected trophies left after the escape of the Russian army.

DNR fighters in Mariupol with a captured Ukrainian BTR-4. 

Trophy Russian 2K22M / M1 "Tunguska".

 

[BabaYaga 15513]

2 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Intercepted voice calls Russian soldiers talk about rape

Well, to be fair.....they have been getting raped by the Ukes on a pretty regular basis

[BabaYaga 15513]

5 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

Intercepted voice calls Russian soldiers talk about rape and eating dogs

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tsacwo/intercepted_voice_calls_russian_soldiers_talk/

 

Russia Calling 100,000 Reservists to Active Duty and Moving Wagner Group From Syria to Deal With Ukraine Manpower Crunch - Watchman.Today

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/try3gr/russia_calling_100000_reservists_to_active_duty/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Jewelry work of mortars.

Defenders of Ukraine do not throw anyone into trouble, even frightened animals, this is a cat saved from Irpen.

Irpin.

Lieutenant Ken Ree, former UDT / SEAL operator in Korea, is now fighting a horde in the Ukrainian Foreign Legion 🇰🇷

Soldiers of the Crimea Battalion cleared the forest today.

 The fighters also conducted reconnaissance and collected trophies left after the escape of the Russian army.

DNR fighters in Mariupol with a captured Ukrainian BTR-4. 

Trophy Russian 2K22M / M1 "Tunguska".

 

These are pretty sweet.  Here's to hoping it's still operational.  Imagine being on the receiving end of one of those in an urban environment....

 

 

 

[Chad Fuck 18070]

So in Putin's quest to be the new Stalin, it feels like we're in the part where the Red Army has been purged of all competent officers.  Let's hope we aren't in this long enough from Puton to find his Zhukov.  

Also, did anyone else notice that Use solider with the cat EP posted up thread had a US flag velcroed right to his chest?  Not sure how to feel about that.  Could be used for some nasty Ruskie propaganda, but I suppose that's pretty low on the concern list right now.

[elfenix 34635]

nsiap:

norway says fuck around, find out

 

[dimyh 1881]

For all the Surly law dogs out there...you have a Russian counterpart fighting for the Ruskie national guards that refused to invade:

 

On March 24, Pavel Chikov, a lawyer from the international human rights organization Agora, reported that 12 Russian National Guard officers from Krasnodar who were participating in military exercises in Crimea had refused to follow their commander’s orders to join the war in Ukraine. The officers were subsequently fired, though they’ve challenged the decision in court and are seeking to have their employment reinstated. Meduza spoke with Krasnodar-based lawyer Mikhail Benyash, who’s representing the officers in court, about the case and its possible consequences.

— When and under what conditions were your clients fired?

— On February 25, [Rosgvardia, the Russian National Guard] was getting ready to send my clients to Ukrainian territory, but they refused to leave Crimea. A review was initiated. On March 1, they received contract termination orders due to their failure to carry out orders. They thought about it and decided to go through the courts to get their employment reinstated. 12 people have reached out to us so far, but a lot more have been fired.

— Are there legal grounds for reinstatement? To what degree were they required to take part in the “special military operation?”

— If there was an armed conflict, an emergency situation, or martial law, the terms of the contract could be changed without their consent for six months. But we don’t have an armed conflict or a war, it’s just a “special military operation.” The law doesn’t say anything about that. You can go there [as a Rosgvardia officer], but only if you agree to it.


— Beautiful.

— The authorities themselves refuse to call it an armed conflict. Whatever category you choose, that’s what you’ll get. That means everyone who goes there must agree — there’s no point threatening them. And if it is a military conflict, another question immediately arises: who started it? Oops. And nobody wants to answer this question, since there’s a completely different qualification of the actions [in the Russian Criminal Code] — and I don’t mean the soldiers’ actions. That’s why they won’t recognize what’s happening as an armed conflict.

— Have there been attempts to put pressure on the objectors?


— They’ve been feeling more pressure from the publicity — it’s really difficult for them. These people have gone their whole lives in masks and helmets, and now their names are out there. It’s very traumatic for them. Despite the fact that they’ve done something a portion of society really approves of, other people are harassing them.

— So if your clients manage to get their employment reinstated, is it possible that this will set a precedent, and that other contract officers will start refusing to take part in the “special military operation” en masse?

— They’re already refusing en masse. It’s just that they used to be afraid that what they were doing was illegal. And now they’ll know there’s a legal basis for this.

— Were your clients expecting media attention and the strong reaction they’ve gotten from the public and from their superiors?

— I told them there would be some hype [on the local level]. But I’d say the result has surprised me and shocked them.

— Are administrative charges used to discourage these kinds of refusals?

— In our case, they’ve been scared off by the publicity. But with other soldiers from other cities, they use charges to pressure them. Deputy officers, special department. They scare them with [charges of] “betraying the Motherland.” But they’re all bark. It’s purely to scare them.

— Can you give an estimate of the scale of the refusal?

— I’m hearing from people all over the country, from Siberia to the North Caucasus.

— Why there, exactly?

— They want to hear from the person who’s going to court. That means I must know what’s allowed and what’s not.

— So the wave of messages came after you got started helping the Rosgvardia officers.

— Yes.

— Can you give an estimate of the number of requests you’ve gotten?

— In the range of 200. One person generally reaches out on behalf of a group and asks whether they can get their jobs in the service back. I tell them that from a legal perspective, they should be able to. But given what’s going on here in Russia, we’ll have to see.


— What’s motivating the officers who refuse to take part in the “special military operation?”

— It’s very simple. People don’t want to kill or to be killed. When they first got hired, their contracts were about something slightly different. On top of that, Rosgvardia worked differently. These guys can’t shoot surface-to-air missiles, they can’t operate tanks. What are they going to do against a trained army? And with what, a club and a shield? Their job is to disperse Navalny supporters, and they’ve done a great job at that. This is something different.

I want other officers to know: refusing to kill people isn’t a crime. It’s not shameful. It’s all right. If someone says no to an order that requires him to kill someone, he can fully count on our protection. Me and the lawyers from Agora will defend him.

— Aren’t you scared they’ll start pressuring you, too?

— What, do you think I haven’t been pressured by them before? Two weeks ago, they kicked my door down. You should see what they did to it. It’s like a hippopotamus chewed it up.

 

[Parliament 14534]

There's a parallel universe where Ukraine is the dominant global superpower.  They intimidate their neighbors with up-armorer tractors.  And America sends trophy wives there as tribute.

[F250 29156]

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

he needs to be introduced to a swarm of switchblade drones

Or just some prison shanks.

[atomheartbevo 90476]

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

Are we gonna literally run out?

Are you quoting Russian tank commanders?

[Parliament 14534]

No, just trying to learn.

[clapclapclap 9000]

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Putin's horde is retreating from Bucha, simultaneously robbing everything they see - they grab household appliances, kitchens and even women's panties. 

Whoa, we thought they might escalate to germ warfare, not gnome warfare.

[Trey3216 15444]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

Nice shower facility?

Is that Will Smith?