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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-resettling-siberia-putin-b2056054.html

Putin ‘resettling Ukrainians 5,500 miles away in Siberia and far east Russia’, report claims
People in Mariupol are being asked to sign papers claiming Ukrainian troops shelled their city

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10 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

^This snub by Kyiv to Germany hopefully doesn't backfire on Kyiv.

 

Germany has been really hesitant to put on its big boy paints as a major power since the end of the Cold War. Given their early 20th century history, it's somewhat understandable, but they need to step up. They've grown into their role within the EU because they treat that as "domestic" policy, but they're having trouble finding their footing on a more "international" stage.

Sounds like they're struggling with the new reality. Some good perspective on the internal debate and shifting views going on:

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Ukraine War Pushes Germans to Change. They Are Wavering.
In just six weeks since Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced a strategic shift for his country, already doubts are emerging about how real and deep it is.

BERLIN — Chancellor Olaf Scholz surprised the world, and his own country, when he responded to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine with a 100-billion-euro plan to arm Germany, send weapons to Ukraine and end his nation’s deep dependence on Russian energy.

It was Germany’s biggest foreign policy shift since the Cold War, what Mr. Scholz called a “Zeitenwende” — an epochal change — that won applause for his leadership at home and abroad.

But six weeks later, the applause has largely ceased. Even as images of atrocities emerge from Ukraine since the invasion by President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, Mr. Scholz has ruled out an immediate oil and gas embargo, saying it would be too costly. He is dragging his feet on sending 100 armored vehicles to Ukraine, saying that Germany must not “rush ahead.” There are new debates in the ruling coalition about just how to go forward with the massive task Mr. Scholz has laid out, let alone how fast.

Already doubts are building as to the German government’s commitment to its own radical plans. “Zeitenwende is real, but the country is the same,” said Thomas Bagger, a senior German diplomat who will be the next ambassador to Poland. “Not everyone likes it.”

The changes Mr. Scholz announced go far deeper than his commitment to spend 2 percent of gross domestic product on the military — some €70 billion ($76 billion) a year, compared with France’s €41 billion ($44 billion).

They go to the heart of Germany’s postwar identity as a peaceful exporting nation — and to the heart of a business model that has enriched Germany and made it Europe’s largest and most powerful economy.

Now Germans are being asked “to rethink everything — our approach to doing business, to energy policy, to defense and to Russia,” said Claudia Major, a defense expert at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs. “We need a mind-set change. We need to recognize that this is about us — that power politics are back and Germany must play a role.”

But she added, “Once again Germany is not leading, it is being dragged.”

Truly reorienting Germans for a new world where security has its real costs — not only in terms potentially of lost lives, but also in lost trade, higher energy prices, slimmer profits and lower economic growth — will be a wrenching endeavor that will take time, even a generation, and more than an afternoon’s policy pronouncement.

That realization is dawning, for Germans and their frustrated European partners.

“I don’t understand how anyone in Germany can sleep at night after seeing horrors like this without doing anything about it,” said Andriy Melnyk, Ukraine’s outspoken ambassador in Berlin, referring to the atrocities in Ukraine. “What does it take for Germany to act?”

Even Annalena Baerbock, the self-assured Green foreign minister, expressed concerns that Zeitenwende may be more temporary than fundamental. She said she worried that the consensus was fragile, that Germans who favor close ties to Russia were silent now, but had not changed their views.

“You can feel this,” she said in an interview. “They know they have to do it right now with regard to sanctions, energy independence and weapons deliveries, also with regard to how we treat Russia. But actually, they don’t like it.”

Since Mr. Scholz put forth his Zeitenwende before a special session of the Parliament on Feb. 27, multiple cracks in Germany’s commitment to change have already begun to appear.

German celebrities made headlines with an appeal to the government against rearmament and the “180-degree change in German foreign policy” that has so far been signed by 45,000 people. Green lawmakers have lobbied to spend only part of the €100 billion special fund on the military, citing other needs like “human security” and climate change. Labor unions and industry bosses are warning of catastrophic damage to the economy and an immediate recession if Russian gas stops flowing.

As the chief executive of the German chemicals giant BASF, Michael Heinz, put it last week: “Cheap Russian energy has been the basis of our industry’s competitiveness.”

It has in fact been the basis of the German economy. Now that German businesses are facing the possibility of being asked to do without it, resistance is quietly mounting. Government ministers say they are being asked discreetly by business leaders when things will “go back to normal” — that is, when they can return to business as usual.

Ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall and German reunification, business as usual has largely meant “change through trade” — the conviction that economic interdependency would alter authoritarian governments like Russia and China for the better and help keep the peace. Prosperity and democracy, the thinking went, go hand in hand.

The link to Russia is particularly complicated by a long and complex history of hot and cold war, including guilt over the millions of Russians killed by the Nazis. This reinforced the belief that the security architecture of Europe had to include Russia and take account of Russian interests.

It was a model that paid off nicely for Germany, too.

“We export to China and import cheap gas from Russia, that’s been the recipe for the German export success,” said Ralph Bollmann, a biographer of Angela Merkel, the former German chancellor who is now seen as having protected Germans from a rivalrous world, but not preparing them for it.

Few in Germany, including its intelligence services, predicted that Mr. Putin would invade a sovereign European country. But the war has set off a cycle of soul-searching, even among prominent politicians like Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the former foreign minister and now federal president.

A senior member of Mr. Scholz’s Social Democratic Party, he was a prominent supporter of the Nord Stream 2 natural-gas pipeline, now halted, that bypassed Ukraine and that Washington opposed.

“We were clinging to the idea of building bridges to Russia that our partners warned us about,” Mr. Steinmeier said, after Mr. Melnyk, the Ukrainian ambassador, accused him of enabling Mr. Putin. “We failed to build a common Europe,” Mr. Steinmeier said. “We failed to incorporate Russia in our security architecture.” He added: “I was wrong.”

In the immediate aftermath of Mr. Scholz’s Zeitenwende speech, the details of which he had shared with only a handful of people, the resolve to act decisively seemed palpable.

The three diverse parties in his coalition swung behind it and partisan divisions with the conservative opposition were briefly forgotten, too. Public opinion mirrored the shift, rewarding the new chancellor with better popularity ratings.

But in a short time the breadth of the change Mr. Scholz announced seems to have intimidated even his own three-party coalition. “The government has made some courageous decisions, but it can seem afraid of its own courage,” said Jana Puglierin, director of the Berlin office of the European Council on Foreign Relations.

There is skepticism that the political establishment is ready to break fundamentally from Moscow, or that German voters will happily pay so much more for energy and food for the foreseeable future.

“German pacifism runs very deep,” said John Kornblum, a former American ambassador to Germany who has lived in the country on and off since the 1960s. “German illusions may have shattered, but not its traumas about Russia and the war.”

That “neurotic relationship with Russia may be on pause for the moment, but it will return in full force as soon as the shooting stops,” he said.

Nils Schmid, foreign policy spokesman in Parliament for the Social Democrats, said that Germany’s soft stance toward Russia “reflects German society, and what will remain is this idea that Russia is there and part of Europe, and we will have to deal with that.”

The war has produced “dashed hopes” of a peaceful united Europe, shared by his generation of 1989, he said. But he noted that with this war, “There can be no return to business as usual,” adding, “No one really wants to go back to the old times of engagement with Russia.”

Still, he said, “We shouldn’t overdo it. The balance will shift to more deterrence and less dialogue. But we must keep some dialogue.”

Ms. Puglierin has little patience for such arguments. “People need to let these old ideas go and adapt to reality as it is, and not as they want it to be,” she said. “Russia has shown that it does not want a stable relationship on this existing security order, which is now an empty shell.”

A prominent conservative lawmaker, Norbert Röttgen, argued that Germany must make a complete and immediate break with Russia. “War has come back to Europe, one that will affect the political and security order of the continent,” he said.

Germany must also draw on the lessons of its dependency on Russia for its future relationship with the more powerful authoritarian realm of China, on which key sectors of Germany’s export-driven model rely, Mr. Röttgen said.

“The real Zeitenwende,” said Ms. Puglierin, “will come when we remake our model for a future of competition with both Russia and China and realize that every dependency can be used against us.”

 

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And this is a funnel from a Russian missile at the Yuri Gagarin Stadium in Chernihiv

 We will remind, today, on April 12 - Day of cosmonautics.

 As "symbolic".

Russian orcs destroyed the Museum of Antiquities in Chernihiv - a historical monument of the XIX century.

 The Chernihiv Museum began to be replenished in 1902 with artifacts from the collection of the patron Vasyl Tarnovsky. These are household items, finds from primitive society and Kievan Rus.

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This is what Borodyanka of the Kyiv region, which was occupied by Russian troops, looks like. Currently, they continue to dismantle the debris.

When they planned to seize Ukraine, but something went wrong.

Such leaflets are received by Mariupol residents forcibly deported to Russia.

 "Our people are being taken to the most depressed regions of Russia. Putin's ugly logic is now clear. First, the racists destroy a successful warm city on the Sea of Azov. And they are driving people to Siberia and Sakhalin. "

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This is what the once tidy village of Buzova near Kyiv now looks like. There are almost no houses left here, and the streets are littered with destroyed racist military equipment. 1/3

Adonis private maternity hospital near Kyiv. So the terrorist army of Russia "beats high-precision weapons on military facilities."

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The village of Yahidne in the Chernihiv region after liberation from Russian troops

 It was under Russian occupation for almost a month. 1/2

️ Russian fascists capture sailors of SMARTA in the port of Mariupol. 18 citizens of Ukraine and one citizen of Egypt were taken prisoner, said the Commissioner for Human Rights of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Lyudmila Denisova.

 SMARTA is a cargo ship operating under the Liberian flag.

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1 hour ago, MillerEP said:
 

And this is a funnel from a Russian missile at the Yuri Gagarin Stadium in Chernihiv

 We will remind, today, on April 12 - Day of cosmonautics.

 As "symbolic".

 

I mean, when you're pissed at the refs, you're pissed at the refs.  I'm not saying that's RIGHT, but I'm saying I UNDERSTAND.

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2 hours ago, Bateshorn said:

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There’s a couple of things that russia has done or been accused of doing that have made me pause and reflect on whether the world, and particularly the people whose countries we have “occupied” or “liberated” sees us the same way or substantially similar. 
 

trying to keep ordinance out of civilian areas but sometimes failing is objectively better than purposefully shelling civilians, but it’s a distinction without a difference to those in the areas getting shelled. 

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14 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

Vlad mad.

Because killing all of your highly specialized expertise off, for not telling you things you would've killed them for telling you, always works out so well.

The biggest threat to Russia remains Vladolf Putler.

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9 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Russia getting weapons smuggled in from Iranian backed Iraqi militias.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/12/russia-using-weapons-smuggled-by-iran-from-iraq-against-ukraine

 

 

8 hours ago, Parliament said:

I imagine foreign POW's are not treated well by the Russians.

Yeah. Even with no food or ammunition, I can't imagine surrendering is a viable option.

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5 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

It is.  And it's why the Ukrainians should absolutely cut off the dick of any Russian POW.  Taking their dicks away is no different from taking away their rifle when they surrender.

At this point, Ukraine shouldn't send home any abled bodied persons.   Or maybe build one of those human cannons and shoot them back dickless and with broken spine over the border.  Play carnival music and let the rape victims operate the human cannon.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

He was Putin's "president-in-waiting."  Kinda like Will Muschamp was at Texas, and apparently, about as good at coaching defense as Will.

Wow.  You'd think that guy would be in some Sochi dacha until everything was locked down.  More good planning and logistics from the Russian side.  They're coming up with ways to fuck shit up I've never even considered.  Amazing. 

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3 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

50/day?  We had close to a thousand during the initial stages of Shock & Awe.  We averaged close to 500/day and the world was witness to it's efficacy.  

And those missions were not random civilian housing projects - they were primary, secondary, or tertiary military objectives that weakened the Iraqis.

Their weapons and tactics really are shit.  Whether that's piss-poor non-high-tech design that didn't matter up through the 1980s, but was exposed in Desert Storm, or it's the result of Russians/Russian leaders stealing the hell out of military equipment that they needed (or pocketing the money and never even producing it in the first place), doesn't matter. They are low on the stuff (precision) that they need to do stand-off bombing, and they have no confidence in their pilots/aircraft to handle the unguided bombing and be within range of the Stingers and Starstreak.  Same results either way - lack of CAS.

And the Russians are about to go full-on into fixed positions in the areas they occupy, trying to hold onto them until May 9th.  Ultimate prevent-defense or some shit.  Ukrainians will have everything mapped out with UAVs, and their artillery and drones will work the Russians over.

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20 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Same with those amazing T-80s and T-90s that were supposed to dominate Ukraine.

Our elite units down to our tier-3 units, could wipe their asses with those blue-and-white t-shirts the "elite" Russians like to sport.

I'm confident our gravy seals would match up well with whatever the fuck Russia is shitting onto the field. 

A crew of east Texas hillbillies would absolutely ruin their shit.

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7 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

I'm confident our gravy seals would match up well with whatever the fuck Russia is shitting onto the field. 

A crew of east Texas hillbillies would absolutely ruin their shit.

What about MEAL Team 6?  Or the Green beignets?

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13 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

There is an ugly video going around of a Russian tank blasting an entire platoon of about 10 Ukrainian troops at point-blank range. 

In active combat, or having surrendered?

Because combat.....is combat.  That's horrific and gruesome, but it's also how war is fought.  Russia is gonna shoot back.  If they had surrendered, then of course, add it to the stack of war crimes in the corner.  You know the one.....it's the one full of shit Putin is gonna get away with.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

In active combat, or having surrendered?

Because combat.....is combat.  That's horrific and gruesome, but it's also how war is fought.  Russia is gonna shoot back.  If they had surrendered, then of course, add it to the stack of war crimes in the corner.  You know the one.....it's the one full of shit Putin is gonna get away with.

no.  looked like they were prisoners.  just standing around in a group.

NSIAP

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1513942573047549957?s=20&t=iOBFXZFkkXmKVPJXO2lPYQ

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

In active combat, or having surrendered?

Because combat.....is combat.  That's horrific and gruesome, but it's also how war is fought.  Russia is gonna shoot back.  If they had surrendered, then of course, add it to the stack of war crimes in the corner.  You know the one.....it's the one full of shit Putin is gonna get away with.

They were just standing around, so to me, it looked like they thought the Tank may have been theirs since they use a lot of the same equipment, so they didn't hide or anything, just let it drive right up on them and blow them apart.

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9 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

In active combat, or having surrendered?

Because combat.....is combat.  That's horrific and gruesome, but it's also how war is fought.  Russia is gonna shoot back.  If they had surrendered, then of course, add it to the stack of war crimes in the corner.  You know the one.....it's the one full of shit Putin is gonna get away with.

Platoon was standing by the side of the road. Tank comes rolling up on them. Seeing reports it could have been blue on blue. 

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One common theme I see in all the Chechen videos is that there is never an enemy soliders firing back.  It all looks like them making a video of themselves shooting guns, rockets and grenades and pretending to be in combat...but really just near some abandoned building.

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8 minutes ago, ABSR said:

One common theme I see in all the Chechen videos is that there is never an enemy soliders firing back.  It all looks like them making a video of themselves shooting guns, rockets and grenades and pretending to be in combat...but really just near some abandoned building.

Heh, yep. On the telegram sites and things I follow, that's the number 1 way people deride them, is just calling them tiktokers. 

Cemetery of cars in Bucha.

 

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