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For the love of Christ woman,  stop posting the same fucking thing every 20 mins just to make your neurotic self feel better.     Bring something useful to the thread other than your inane babbli

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I volunteered today. Log/Admin role to replace people for 30-60 days. The operation is in the west, or should the Orcs win will be pulled back behind the NATO wall. Either way the humanitarian effort

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Remains of the destroyed KA-52? in the Kiev region.

^Lol, master trolling from the official Ukraine twitter. If you don't get the reference, it's from this famous commercial:

 

Bumping in case anyone missed this. It's hilarious. Ukraine's internet/meme deployment remains masterful. 

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6 minutes ago, Telegraph_it said:

They mad. 
 

 

 

Why are they so mad and ready to massively retaliate, if it was a fire onboard that just exploded some ammunition?

Seems the Russians might have some mis-directed anger here. 

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What can you learn about a military from its band? Usually, not much. But putting on great performance requires some of the same skills as conducting a military operation. It requires recruiting the right people with the right talents (and many militaries, including the American military, use bands as a recruiting tool). It requires equipping those people with the right technology—often highly specialized—so they can do their job. It requires training those people to work together to perform complicated tasks with impeccable timing. It requires developing young leaders, managing logistics, and maintaining high morale. The sergeant I spoke to observed that what came through in the Ukrainians’ performance is that they wanted to be there, they wanted to be great, and their leaders were inspirational.

Good article. Former EUCOM commander. 

https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/

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28 minutes ago, Pods said:

Bumping in case anyone missed this. It's hilarious. Ukraine's internet/meme deployment remains masterful. 

I actually want to celebrate the level of funny... But I don't find war very funny. War isn't funny, but that is.

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Why are they so mad and ready to massively retaliate, if it was a fire onboard that just exploded some ammunition?
Seems the Russians might have some mis-directed anger here. 

Seriously - I don’t know why Putin has these puppets out there spewing this rhetoric. Honestly, what are they going to “bomb” Kyiv with? They can’t fly bombers over as they don’t control the air; their cruise missiles get shot down at a significant clip; maybe use the handful of hypersonic missiles they have left? It’s like he wants these folks out there trying to foment (via dog whistle to this point) the “launch the tactical nukes” rhetoric to paint him into a corner so he can finally do what it seems like he really wants to (start using nukes) with the excuse of “the public demanded it”.

If he wasn’t so crazy, he’d have these folks using the sinking to lay the groundwork for the turning point/walking back of the “operation”: “it was an accident/tragedy/major setback/our guys fucked up/this is going to really screw with our operational effectiveness / we need to step back and reevaluate/ maybe this is just too costly right now.”
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3 minutes ago, Snacks said:

I actually want to celebrate the level of funny... But I don't find war very funny. War isn't funny, but that is.

I agree. I feel mixed. War sucks and is awful, but when the Emperor has no clothes, laughter is the most effective weapon in the world. 

The worst thing for a wannabe strongman is for people to laugh and ridicule him.  

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I’m sure Miller posted this, but Tapatalk is really struggling to load and I didn’t see it:

Commander of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation Igor Osipov arrested. He was said to have been arrested by people in civilian clothes.

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What can you learn about a military from its band? Usually, not much. But putting on great performance requires some of the same skills as conducting a military operation. It requires recruiting the right people with the right talents (and many militaries, including the American military, use bands as a recruiting tool). It requires equipping those people with the right technology—often highly specialized—so they can do their job. It requires training those people to work together to perform complicated tasks with impeccable timing. It requires developing young leaders, managing logistics, and maintaining high morale. The sergeant I spoke to observed that what came through in the Ukrainians’ performance is that they wanted to be there, they wanted to be great, and their leaders were inspirational.

Good article. Former EUCOM commander. 

https://www.thebulwark.com/i-commanded-u-s-army-europe-heres-what-i-saw-in-the-russian-and-ukrainian-armies/

I skimmed that article and you could replace Russia with aggy throughout and it holds up extremely well.

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I do think the Ukrainians hit this thing. That said, remember that in 2018 they dropped a crane on their aircraft carrier and then sunk its floating dry dock. It’s still out of service.  Remember Kursk. The Russians are capable of this type of screw up. 

US kinda confirmed it was indeed sunk yesterday but didn't/wouldn't confirm it to give RU time for a cover story off ramp from an extreme immediate response. Meteorologists have posted the wind over the Black Sea was about 4mph last night. Texas coastal fisherman would call that trout green to the beach.

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Why are they so mad and ready to massively retaliate, if it was a fire onboard that just exploded some ammunition?

Seems the Russians might have some mis-directed anger here. 

If this war has taught me anything, it's that Russia and aggy have more in common than just their love of dreary architecture. 

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55 minutes ago, Telegraph_it said:

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Seriously - I don’t know why Putin has these puppets out there spewing this rhetoric. Honestly, what are they going to “bomb” Kyiv with? They can’t fly bombers over as they don’t control the air; their cruise missiles get shot down at a significant clip; maybe use the handful of hypersonic missiles they have left? It’s like he wants these folks out there trying to foment (via dog whistle to this point) the “launch the tactical nukes” rhetoric to paint him into a corner so he can finally do what it seems like he really wants to (start using nukes) with the excuse of “the public demanded it”.

If he wasn’t so crazy, he’d have these folks using the sinking to lay the groundwork for the turning point/walking back of the “operation”: “it was an accident/tragedy/major setback/our guys fucked up/this is going to really screw with our operational effectiveness / we need to step back and reevaluate/ maybe this is just too costly right now.”

Call me crazy, but is it possible that even the main Russian TV pundits think that Kyiv hasn't been bombed, railways, and train stations? That so far this has been a surgical strike? Holy shit. I thought all of that came out on their state ran TV. Everything the guy is requesting has already been done. Talk about clueless.

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Seriously - I don’t know why Putin has these puppets out there spewing this rhetoric. Honestly, what are they going to “bomb” Kyiv with? They can’t fly bombers over as they don’t control the air; their cruise missiles get shot down at a significant clip; maybe use the handful of hypersonic missiles they have left? It’s like he wants these folks out there trying to foment (via dog whistle to this point) the “launch the tactical nukes” rhetoric to paint him into a corner so he can finally do what it seems like he really wants to (start using nukes) with the excuse of “the public demanded it”.

If he wasn’t so crazy, he’d have these folks using the sinking to lay the groundwork for the turning point/walking back of the “operation”: “it was an accident/tragedy/major setback/our guys fucked up/this is going to really screw with our operational effectiveness / we need to step back and reevaluate/ maybe this is just too costly right now.”

There is a interesting piece on the paradox of successful propaganda indoctrination often leaves no offramp but instead results in implosion as those that bought into the propaganda still demand those results when those that put the propaganda out there know it is a lost cause.  Jonathan Chait at nymag.com is the author.

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Seriously - I don’t know why Putin has these puppets out there spewing this rhetoric. Honestly, what are they going to “bomb” Kyiv with? They can’t fly bombers over as they don’t control the air; their cruise missiles get shot down at a significant clip; maybe use the handful of hypersonic missiles they have left? It’s like he wants these folks out there trying to foment (via dog whistle to this point) the “launch the tactical nukes” rhetoric to paint him into a corner so he can finally do what it seems like he really wants to (start using nukes) with the excuse of “the public demanded it”.

They are out there to get the older Russian population riled up and ready for nationwide mobilization/conscription of the younger folks, that's going to be touching all aspects of Russian society (and not just the non-Moscow and non-Saint Petersburg areas).

Or it's to get Russia riled up for something far worse - chemical or nukes.  I still think they won't be used - if they were going to be used, they should have been used well before now.  But if they wanted to prep the Russian population for their use, now would be a good time to do it.

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Was talking a friend who is a historian about this, and it was not hard for us to find applicable history from 50 years ago -  check out the Brezhnev Doctrine:

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The Brezhnev Doctrine was a Soviet foreign policy that proclaimed any threat to socialist rule in any state of the Soviet bloc in Central and Eastern Europe was a threat to them all, and therefore justified the intervention of fellow socialist states. It was proclaimed in order to justify the Soviet-led occupation of Czechoslovakiaearlier in 1968, with the overthrow of the reform government there. The references to "socialism" meant control by the communist parties loyal to the Kremlin. Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev repudiated the doctrine in the late 1980s, as the Kremlin accepted the peaceful overthrow of communist rule in all its satellite countries in Eastern Europe.

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The policy was first and most clearly outlined by Sergei Kovalev in a September 26, 1968 Pravda article entitled "Sovereignty and the International Obligations of Socialist Countries". Leonid Brezhnev reiterated it in a speech at the Fifth Congress of the Polish United Workers' Party on November 13, 1968, which stated: "When forces that are hostile to socialism try to turn the development of some socialist country towards capitalism, it becomes not only a problem of the country concerned, but a common problem and concern of all socialist countries."

Putin has his own version of this - he thinks he has the right to interfere with his neighbors, and still thinks he has the right to fuck with the Balkans (albeit it's just posturing and not military).

Edit; It actually concerned China that Russia might try to interfere with China's form of socialism because it wasn't "approved" by Moscow, and the US even leaked the letter from Russia about using pre-emptive nuclear strikes against China (something like a third of their nukes were pointed at China).

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This feels like the end game.  The threats have escalated coming out of Moscow, the sinking of the flagship is impossible to hide, and now the “no conscripts to the front” is being dropped.  Plus the arrest of multiple senior officers.  Those are all flashing warning signs.
 

I have to believe Ukraine will start to counter attack in Kherson and eventually in Mariupol, and that is probably when Putin drops the tactical nuke.  How anyone responds is the question.  Because if he’s faced with defeat on the land bridge before may 9 he is a cornered rat.

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9 hours ago, Enchubben said:

How deep is the water where this ship sank? Good diving spot in a few years?

If you are in to deep water diving, highly recommend the book Shadow Divers.  True story great read about deep water diving (200+ feet iirc) discovery  off the coast of NJ of a German U-boat. 

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12 minutes ago, Parliament said:

I would think that ship still has unexploded ordinance.  Not sure you wanna be swimming around down there.

That thing is bristling with weapons, I'd bet my bottom dollar that it's filled to the gills with UXO. I doubt the rooskies have the ability to mount any type of recovery/salvage operation, may need to dust off the ol Azorian

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