Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[Chad Fuck 18173]

11 hours ago, Macanudo said:

If you're talking about Crimea, the Russians already did that at the end of WWII.

I had Konigsberg/Kaliningrad on my mind, but sure.  That works too.

[Pato del Muerto 53624]

2 minutes ago, Pods said:

According to the online calculators it's ~$33,000.

That doesn’t fully answer my question

[BabaYaga 15632]

5 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

 

Gas not included.....

[Pods 7638]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

That doesn’t fully answer my question

Had just edited it. Check it now. 

[texasdago 7772]

4 minutes ago, Pods said:

According to the online calculators it's ~$33,000, so you could probably get 2 if they are domestics.

or one White Claw

[atomheartbevo 90696]

Gotta give Putin credit - with Russia stating that they would like to landlock Ukraine and link to Moldova, it’s going to help with Finland and Sweden joining NATO, and it’s getting a lot of Europeans off the fence.  5D chess.

edit: and I mentioned in the Global Spring thread, Wagner Russians caught trying to frame France for atrocities in Mali.

Edited April 22, 2022 by atomheartbevo

[BabaYaga 15632]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

Gotta give Putin credit - with Russia stating that they would like to landlock Ukraine and link to Moldova, it’s going to help with Finland and Sweden joining NATO, and it’s getting a lot of Europeans off the fence.  5D chess.

[Pato del Muerto 53624]

Russia making a move for offshore oil reserves and paying in blood and lives makes me wonder if they are as committed as the rest of us to transitioning away from fossil fuels. 

[MillerEP 30913]

270 wounded and dead Muscovites were taken to Novoaydar - Luhansk OVA

The 54th Mechanized Brigade of Ukraine demonstrates artillery strikes on a column of Russian armored vehicles near Marinka.

 The video shows 6 damaged T-72B3 tanks, most with roof screens, and UR-77.

^Buildings in Russia are spontaneously combusting again

[atomheartbevo 90696]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Russia making a move for offshore oil reserves and paying in blood and lives makes me wonder if they are as committed as the rest of us to transitioning away from fossil fuels. 

I wouldn’t think that far ahead,   I think it was a good attempt by Putin to make his supporters/oligarchs more money (replace some of what was lost by sanctions) and keep them supporting him.

[TexasEd 8272]

 

14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

@Brisketexan and @HOOKEM4 the things that you have said do not change the fact that Putin is pretty much a 3rd-world oil-rich dictator with nukes, and who dreams of having China's economy.  The fact that we are not seeing evidence of him mobilizing his nation's economy to the point where he can easily replace all of his tank/IFV/truck losses speaks volumes to his lack of competence.  The fact that the majority of his active-duty army (280,000 strong) is tied up in Ukraine - a truly competent leader would have already figured out how to get a bunch of those 2 million reserves into the fight, but here we are.

And I'm not dismissing the propaganda casually - I just posted a study on the previous page about Russia's attempts on social media at shaping the dialogue around Bucha, and I've got a qanon relative who has been buying into the Russian propaganda and trying to pass it on to the rest of her family.

Look, there's always been plenty of stupid shit on the internet and on TV and those of us in our 40s and older have watched the news go from the days of Walter Cronkite up through today's 30-second soundbites that are tailored for social media.   But we didn't pull out of NATO, and we are unified with Western Europe/NATO/EU against the Russians - and even though the Germans are dragging ass, even they are acknowledging that things have changed.  

Putin is a one-trick pony at this point, in terms of power projection.

 

Putin is Q.  Spread the word.

[atomheartbevo 90696]

Just now, MillerEP said:

^Buildings in Russia are spontaneously combusting again

Combine these “accidents” with the recruiting offices being burned.  If this is some kind of internal dissent, it feels lIke some of the stuff happening towards the end of the USSR.  Wishful thinking, I know, but it seems to be picking up.

[Pato del Muerto 53624]

Organized internal dissent that can be worked with covertly by various nations or other groups would be a great thing.  But probably better that they stay hidden from the public, so we wouldn’t know about them until after a successful change in Russian government. 

[TexasEd 8272]

11 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Russia making a move for offshore oil reserves and paying in blood and lives makes me wonder if they are as committed as the rest of us to transitioning away from fossil fuels. 

I said in the economic thread this is one of the factors.  I think the top 3 are:

• indefensible geography to the west (fear of being conquered)
• Oil in Ukraine as a threat to Russian influence over Europe
• Nationalistic pride

The population problem is a factor as far as timing but would not stand on its own if the other 3 were not factors.

 

And no, they have nothing other than natural resources and weapons to support their economy.  Well that and cyber attacks.  They are basically Nigeria with nukes.

 

[utee94 16092]

When it comes to combat video musical accompaniment, I have to say I prefer Ukrainian heavy metal to Ukrainian techno.

[Chad Fuck 18173]

15 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

270 wounded and dead Muscovites were taken to Novoaydar - Luhansk OVA

The 54th Mechanized Brigade of Ukraine demonstrates artillery strikes on a column of Russian armored vehicles near Marinka.

 The video shows 6 damaged T-72B3 tanks, most with roof screens, and UR-77.

^Buildings in Russia are spontaneously combusting again

One has to wonder how much of this is just general Russian day to day suck, or if something else is goin on.  I don't know what the baseline is for Russian shit catching on fire.  Based on their tanks, it would seem to happen pretty often.

 

 

[clapclapclap 9000]

28 minutes ago, Pods said:

Had just edited it. Check it now. 

 "That wasn’t the question. Do you like this gig?"

[TexasEd 8272]

3 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

One has to wonder how much of this is just general Russian day to day suck, or if something else is goin on.  I don't know what the baseline is for Russian shit catching on fire.  Based on their tanks, it would seem to happen pretty often.

 

 

Don't forget the official story on the Mockba is that the weapons just caught on fire.

[Bevo 13939]

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

He actually also referenced wanting the entire south of the country to build a connection to Moldova.

And I have to tell you, if I'm Moldova I think I'm petitioning Romania for annexation right quick.  Moldova (Bessarabia) was part of Romania before the Soviet Union took it in a very quick war of aggression in 1940.  Moldovan and Romanian are basically the same language, and the culture is the same.  There's really no reason why Moldova, which is already facing Russian aggression, shouldn't seek security that Romania's Nato membership would bring.

This is right

[atomheartbevo 90696]

[atomheartbevo 90696]

Have no idea if this is making Russia think twice about hitting Kyiv.

 

[atomheartbevo 90696]

We have all been thinking it. Russia is giving so much data to the rest of the world on the performance of its military hardware and how poorly trained its  military is.

 

[atomheartbevo 90696]

The West, thanks to drones and satellites, is watching Russia ship a lot of damaged hardware back to Russia for repair. That reinforces the idea that what they have in storage/reserves is shit (or we would have seen a lot more of it committed already).

 

[Captainant 28620]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

We have all been thinking it. Russia is giving so much data to the rest of the world on the performance of its military hardware and how poorly trained its  military is.

 

lol this article should be titled "data scientists are using data science to study data". I do think it'll be interesting to see how much that speeds up the learning feedback loop though. I'd imagine actual changes in doctrine are bottlenecked more by human factors and policy than by knowledge though

[DDD Dad 14673]

22 hours ago, crash_davis said:

Novak thinks it's "crazy" that Wimbledon is banning Russia and Belarusian players. Oh yea, Novak is a Serb. Serbs love Russia.

This is the Lithuanian response when the Serb team didn't want to hold a Stop War flag before the game. Crowd chanted Fuck you Serbia.

So yea, Fuck Novak, Fuck Serbia.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tvflgm/serbian_basketball_team_didnt_hold_the_stop_war/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

The same Novak who lied on immigration docs regarding COVID to play in the Australian Open?  

No way!

[atomheartbevo 90696]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

lol this article should be titled "data scientists are using data science to study data". I do think it'll be interesting to see how much that speeds up the learning feedback loop though. I'd imagine actual changes in doctrine are bottlenecked more by human factors and policy than by knowledge though

In the short term, it’s probably keeping Ukraine a step or two ahead of Russia in a lot of areas.  It’ll be years before we find out how much help we were able to provide intelligence-wise, but clearly we we staying on top of Russian plans in the run-up to the invasion.  Ukraine has been able to constantly and consistently hit Russia where it would do the most damage.  Still amazing they forced them out of the north.

[Pods 7638]

33 minutes ago, utee94 said:

When it comes to combat video musical accompaniment, I have to say I prefer Ukrainian heavy metal to Ukrainian techno.

This is the best one, hands down when considering the lyrics. 

 

and speaking of artillery, the US, France and Canada are all sending a bunch of howitzers. We're sending 72 of the 155mm and 72 vehicles to tow them. Counter battery capability included. France is also sending 155mm. Don't know the caliber of Canada's, but I'd assume it's standard across NATO. We're also sending unjammable drones. 

We're going to get to hear this song a lot more in the next few weeks. Ukraine will finally be able to dish it back at the orcish artillery. 

[clapclapclap 9000]

Meanwhile, we had a B-1B catch fire in Abilene:

https://www.airforcemag.com/b-1-bomber-catches-fire-on-flightline-at-dyess/

video at link

[Pods 7638]

8 minutes ago, Pods said:

This is the best one, hands down when considering the lyrics. 

 

and speaking of artillery, the US, France and Canada are all sending a bunch of howitzers. We're sending 72 of the 155mm and 72 vehicles to tow them. Counter battery capability included. France is also sending 155mm. Don't know the caliber of Canada's, but I'd assume it's standard across NATO. We're also sending unjammable drones. 

We're going to get to hear this song a lot more in the next few weeks. Ukraine will finally be able to dish it back at the orcish artillery. 

Too late to edit, but here's the lyrics translated. @atomheartbevo posted them a while back. 

Spoiler

A Muscovite was walking through the woods
I was looking for an adventure
The sun shone from the sky
Beautiful pagoda!
Suddenly it rang
And the earth trembled
The ingot arrived
The young Muscovite

And there is no Muscovite
There is no Muscovite
No shit at all
The raw earth itself
Artillery is working
The boys are fucking
One katsap less
And the second shit in his pants

A Muscovite is sitting in a trench
And holds a kalash
In the pins of his body
And in the pocket of Anasha
Suddenly it rang
And the field arose
The earth has digested
A young Muscovite

And there is no Muscovite
There is no Muscovite
No shit at all
The raw earth itself
Artillery is working
The boys are fucking
One katsap less
And the second shit in his pants

Pre column of equipment
Pskov paratroopers
And sat down in the bushes
Gereushna agency
Suddenly it rang
And the diesel was silenced
Beat the landing
The cowards burned down

And there is no Muscovite
There is no Muscovite
No shit at all
The raw earth itself
Artillery is working
The boys are fucking
One katsap less
And the second shit in his pants

There was a grove of katsapsky
Mortar unit
Fuckers are happy
There is a permit for rotation
Suddenly it rang
And life ended
And at the same time health
Fighting Muscovite

And there is no Muscovite
There is no Muscovite
No shit at all
The raw earth itself
Artillery is working
The boys are fucking
One katsap less
And the second shit in his pants

And there is no Muscovite
There is no Muscovite
No shit at all
The raw earth itself
Artillery is working
The boys are fucking
One katsap less
And the second shit in his pants

 

[Wally Fairway 5679]

9 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Meanwhile, we had a B-1B catch fire in Abilene:

https://www.airforcemag.com/b-1-bomber-catches-fire-on-flightline-at-dyess/

video at link

Nothing better than watching at $200,000,000 bonfire (aggie approved)

Edited April 22, 2022 by Wally Fairway
slipped a digit

[Scheiss Meister 8479]

When you think about Russia's reserves, remember that Ukraine isn't their only focus.  NATO has a lot of forces in the east, facing Russia.  To us that's to respond if Putin gets froggy and jumps on a former Warsaw Pact or USSR country, but to Putin that is an offensive threat that he cannot ignore.  He also has to keep an eye on his eastern flank in case China gets ideas about Siberia.  Russia could easily overwhelm Ukraine, if they could focus all of their force there.  But they can't, and we're helping to make sure of that. 

[Nivek 17441]

43 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We have all been thinking it. Russia is giving so much data to the rest of the world on the performance of its military hardware and how poorly trained its  military is.

 

404 Intelligence and Strategy not found.

[Nivek 17441]

2 hours ago, MillerEP said:

 

So when does Ukraine march into Russia North of Kharkiv and then start attacking the Russians from their sides/rear?   

[dimyh 1890]

8 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The last times Russia or the Soviet Union fully mobilized and openly sent conscripts abroad to fight: 

Afghanistan: Soviets lost, the eastern bloc crumbled eight months later, the Union collapsed a few years after that.

World War II: Dont need to go into it. Including second Finland war here. 

Winter War: USSR gets plowed by Finland and combat capacity damaged for later WWII.

Polish-Soviet War: Poland wrecks shop and slams the previously feared Red Army’s dick in the dirt. Lenin decides to focus on building socialism at home for a while instead of starting a world revolution. 

World War I: The Russians lost and the Tsarist Empire collapsed, the world and Russia got the USSR and Bolsheviks. 

Russo-Japanese War: The Russians lost and it led to the revolution of 1905, Nick II has to create a parliament with parties and everything.

TL;DR: Russia has a long record of getting their shit pushed in when they decide to have big foreign wars.  More often than not, stuff at home gets borked, too. Putin is aware of this, keenly. 

[Bevo 13939]

10 minutes ago, Nivek said:

So when does Ukraine march into Russia North of Kharkiv and then start attacking the Russians from their sides/rear?   

And placing land mines in Russia.

[Laxtonto 13328]

8 minutes ago, Nivek said:

So when does Ukraine march into Russia North of Kharkiv and then start attacking the Russians from their sides/rear?   

I have been sort of curious about this as well. What are the geopolitical repercussions if Ukraine crosses the board and starts causing havoc there, just like Russia has done in Ukraine? 
 

What keeps them from sending a somewhat sizable force from Kyiv to say Kursk? I know the advance would be spotted and Russian air assets would be sent out, but at this point Russian air has been ineffective and seem risk adverse on target selection.

 

Its always harder to advance than hold your ground, but with all of the equipment losses for Russia and new equipment pouring in for the Ukraine, a counter attack into Russia itself would do wonders on relieving some pressure to the south and the propaganda would be amazing…

[BabaYaga 15632]

13 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

I have been sort of curious about this as well. What are the geopolitical repercussions if Ukraine crosses the board and starts causing havoc there, just like Russia has done in Ukraine? 
 

What keeps them from sending a somewhat sizable force from Kyiv to say Kursk? I know the advance would be spotted and Russian air assets would be sent out, but at this point Russian air has been ineffective and seem risk adverse on target selection.

 

Its always harder to advance than hold your ground, but with all of the equipment losses for Russia and new equipment pouring in for the Ukraine, a counter attack into Russia itself would do wonders on relieving some pressure to the south and the propaganda would be amazing…

Almost all the equipment sent to the UA is designed to wage an effective guerilla war, not offensive operations.  Further, mass attacks play into the design and strategic use of Russian forces - who would love nothing more than to get into a stand-up fight (similar to us in Vietnam and Afghanistan).  It's a horrible choice to make with urban areas being targeted, but from a high level, strategic perspective, the UA is doing the right thing to continue to bleed and deplete the Russian forces.  

[dimyh 1890]

Plus I suspect any sustained attacks on Russian clay = mass mobilization. That's something Putin could sell to his masses that this is now a defensive war.

[Captainant 28620]

5 minutes ago, dimyh said:

Plus I suspect any sustained attacks on Russian clay = mass mobilization. That's something Putin could sell to his masses that this is now a defensive war.

Russia is a fucking fortress of a country. Their logistics run on rail lines, which is why they broke down in Ukraine. I wouldn't want to get involved in a land war in Asia. It'd be almost as dumb as going in against a sicillian when death in on the line

[Orange&White 5573]

31 minutes ago, Laxtonto said:

I have been sort of curious about this as well. What are the geopolitical repercussions if Ukraine crosses the board and starts causing havoc there, just like Russia has done in Ukraine? 
 

What keeps them from sending a somewhat sizable force from Kyiv to say Kursk? I know the advance would be spotted and Russian air assets would be sent out, but at this point Russian air has been ineffective and seem risk adverse on target selection.

 

Its always harder to advance than hold your ground, but with all of the equipment losses for Russia and new equipment pouring in for the Ukraine, a counter attack into Russia itself would do wonders on relieving some pressure to the south and the propaganda would be amazing…

They would get a tactical nuke dropped on them a few minutes after they crossed into russia.

Using tactical nukes as an offensive is a far cry from using them to defend your country. 

If Ukraine had tactical nukes, they would have used them on the russians weeks ago.

[Bateshorn 9991]

Yeah, their supply chain sabotage is their attacks on Russia. Because Ukrainians can pass as Russians, but not vis-a-versa, they can fuck with the infrastructure. 
 

From an offensive perspective, they need to stop any Russian momentum, continue to erode the Russian efforts to resupply, allow the sanctions to really start to pinch, and prepare to begin retaking territory in the south and east in the Summer, when the ground hardens up. 

Edited April 22, 2022 by Bateshorn

[PTINS 3532]

45 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

I said in the economic thread this is one of the factors.  I think the top 3 are:

• indefensible geography to the west (fear of being conquered)
• Oil in Ukraine as a threat to Russian influence over Europe
• Nationalistic pride

The population problem is a factor as far as timing but would not stand on its own if the other 3 were not factors.

And no, they have nothing other than natural resources and weapons to support their economy.  Well that and cyber attacks.  They are basically Nigeria with nukes.

 

Russia wants Ukraine to disappear. End of Story.

Pure egotistical driven politics regardless of economics.  Geography and economics dictate that Russia's world class gas reserves go to Europe. Politics said don't do it.

Money wins.

Ukraine is the gateway for a lot of Russia gas heading toward Europe. Control of Ukraine = Control of Russia gas to Europe.  Nordstream was supposed to minimize Ukraine's "influence" of Russia gas flow.

Russia fucked that up, whether they get Ukraine or not. They are the poster child for demand destruction.

Too bad Russian game theory didn't consider, "... what happens if we invade and don't get Ukraine?"  With Sweden, Finland & Ukraine off the table, Russia's "sphere of influence" is going to be down to Belarus. Whopee!!!

Russia's gas market?

The Russia-China proposed gas pipeline, Piece of Shit Power of Siberia (POS), is a $20 Billion, 2500 mile venture, including 600 miles across Mongolia. Russia's gas influence in Eurasia is nonexistent post 2030. Their market is basically China, which has zero dependence on Russian gas.  Russia's options are drop your price or keep it in the ground.

Ironically, the end game could be Russia's land-locked captive gas will be a cheaper "secondary" supply source for Europe than the new waterborne LNG, and eventually the Russia gas will resume full flow to Europe, but without the Putin-premium. Cheap pipeline gas backs out expensive LNG, and ...

Money wins, again.

Europe thrives with cheap fossil fuels and a strong renewables. 4-D chess.  

[Bevo 13939]

6 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

They would get a tactical nuke dropped on them a few minutes after they crossed into russia.

Using tactical nukes as an offensive is a far cry from using them to defend your country. 

If Ukraine had tactical nukes, they would have used them on the russians weeks ago.

I doubt Russia would use a tactical nuke in Russia. And if they used one in Ukraine due to being attacked in Russia it would be no different than using one now.

[Brisketexan 107061]

A short update from the boy in Berlin, where refugees are continuing to pass through in large numbers.
1 – one of his classmates is a dual Russian/Israeli citizen.  She has been going down to the Hbf regularly to serve as a translator for the local German volunteer groups.  Obviously, she is not a fan of the war or Putin, and has emphasized her Israeli citizenship (and lucky for her to have that option).  He’s gotten the scoop from her on the ongoing situation in order to ascertain the need.
2 – his friend crew was happy to volunteer to work a large assembly line, and are doing so with enthusiasm.  We sent him a couple hundred euros to fund this round, and they have an assembly line set up making a shitload of tacos (looks like potato egg and cheese, migas, and some sort of meat, egg and cheese are on the menu, per the sample photo below -- not sure how many tacos per tray, but he said they'll get out 6 trays of tacos, 3 with meat and 3 vegetarian).  I believe that the plan is to deliver them this evening.  And, if this process goes well, to do so a few more times before he has to leave Berlin in May.  If they’re going to be continuing this effort, we told him we’d work on raising some funds – we even suggested that while cooking makes the money go farther, something as simple as ordering and delivering 100 hot sandwiches would surely be welcome as well.  Will keep y’all posted on that. 
But thought I’d share something good in this thread of war, death, and destruction.

[Bevo 13939]

 

I think I know why he volunteered

[Orange&White 5573]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

I doubt Russia would use a tactical nuke in Russia. And if they used one in Ukraine due to being attacked in Russia it would be no different than using one now.

Putin cares a whole lot more about stopping anyone attacking his dirt than he cares about his population in the rural areas where the Uke would come across the border. Dropping a small nuke on the first band that crossed the border would pretty much mean that none of the Ukes behind them would try.

Plus, first off, I don't think Ukraine wants any of Russia in the first place, they just want their own land. Secondly, Ukraine trying to go on an offensive in Russia would basically give credence to Putin's initial claim that he needed a preemptive "special Operation" to protect himself and Russians from the Ukrainians. The Ukrainian global support would fall in the gutter. 

[Brisketexan 107061]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

 

I think I know why he volunteered

I 100% trimmed the photo to omit details of the attractive Norwegian friends.  I also didn't share the photos where they are even more front and center.  Because Surly.

[tx 3 putt 78825]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

 

I think I know why he volunteered

where can i sign up for that volunteer duty ??

 

[Bevo 13939]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I 100% trimmed the photo to omit details of the attractive Norwegian friends.  I also didn't share the photos where they are even more front and center.  Because Surly.

Don't tell me you don't ogle your son's volunteer trim. If you tell me otherwise, I'm reporting post, banning user. As a matter of fact, where tf are the other photos?

[Bevo 13939]

8 minutes ago, Orange&White said:

Putin cares a whole lot more about stopping anyone attacking his dirt than he cares about his population in the rural areas where the Uke would come across the border. Dropping a small nuke on the first band that crossed the border would pretty much mean that none of the Ukes behind them would try.

Plus, first off, I don't think Ukraine wants any of Russia in the first place, they just want their own land. Secondly, Ukraine trying to go on an offensive in Russia would basically give credence to Putin's initial claim that he needed a preemptive "special Operation" to protect himself and Russians from the Ukrainians. The Ukrainian global support would fall in the gutter. 

We are talking about things a little differently. If it makes sense strategically to encircle and cut off Russian troops in Donbas, they will do it even if it means entering Russia.