Русский корабль - иди нахуй

[The Dog 43803]

 

[Armybrat 40736]

5 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Well we did. And it is well documented. A Few? American Pilots and SF personnel dying in camps in Russia. Russian led SAMs around Vietnam. They had training groups in S China. FAFO. 

And if it glows, there will be some dude in a hidden place to record the history. Please stop appeasing the Orcs.

Wonder if some math wiz here wants to do US POW's MIA vs. the Crew of a shitty Russian ship. 

 

Approximately 7,500 US Army & Air Force pilots & flight crew members were killed in Vietnam, most being shot down by Soviet Russian weapons. Not to mention the tens of thousands of troops killed by SovietRussian small arms and explisive devices.

In the Korean War, many of the Nork Migs were flown by Russian pilots.

Karma can be a lethal bitch for those mofos. We started paying them back with Stingers & other weaponry during their 10 year occupation of Afghanistan.

[The Dog 43803]

6 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Approximately 7,500 US Army & Air Force pilots & flight crew members were killed in Vietnam, most being shot down by Soviet Russian weapons. Not to mention the tens of thousands of troops killed by SovietRussian small arms and explisive devices.

In the Korean War, many of the Nork Migs were flown by Russian pilots.

Karma can be a lethal bitch for those mofos. We started paying them back with Stingers & other weaponry during their 10 year occupation of Afghanistan.

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9 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Wow. The shit you can do with Facebook these days 

[KYHorn 16863]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Was really hoping to see 3 heads roll. Maybe back to the quadcopters.

[bolverk 29399]

The below tweet quotes another one that purports to show this newest ship on fire. There's some debate if it's real or from a video games. Worth checking out though.

 

[NorthLoop 14089]

Looks like Greg Davis called the first play for the Switchblade. 

[27-25 2040]

3 hours ago, Hefeweizen said:

 

Shit's going to get real if they mobilize with conscription.

Is there an actual profession choice for "wartime mobilisation specialist" on Russia's version of LinkedIn/Indeed/Monster?  Seems strangely specific.

[KYHorn 16863]

 

 

[Trey3216 15325]

1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:

We’ve seen several of the submarine variants right side up in rivers and streams. I’ll bet that water was cold...for about 2 minutes

FIFY

[Etexhorn13 3036]

31 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

Looks like Greg Davis called the first play for the Switchblade. 

Twitter replies seem to suggest the point was for it to land right in front of that bunker and spray whoever was inside it (machine gunner?) with shrapnel right before hitting the ground. I have no idea what the intended purposes of the switchblade or how it works though. 

[NorthLoop 14089]

8 minutes ago, Etexhorn13 said:

Twitter Hornfans replies seem to suggest the point was for it to land right in front of that bunker and spray whoever was inside it (machine gunner?) with shrapnel right before hitting the ground. I have no idea what the intended purposes of the switchblade or how it works though. 

fucking sunshine pumpers

[The Dog 43803]

Borscht was invented in Ukraine btw.

Edited May 6, 2022 by The Dog

[Nivek 16859]

2 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

meh, I would prefer to see the soldiers getting blown up more not running away from artillery and drone strikes.  Fuck those russian SOBs.

[Nivek 16859]

50 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Borscht was invented in Ukraine btw.

Is that what Amber Herd drank?

[Ghost of LL 15489]

5 hours ago, grazinhorn said:

Really goes off on Intelligence services in the West at the end.  

I can't disagree, though I realize it's a ton easier to see now.  If the strategy and execution on the part of the Russians had been significantly better but all the same shit equipment/maintenance had been in play, would we have noticed all this?

 

I don't think you can reach that conclusion.  Just because you and I didn't know that the Russian Army would be completely incapable of advancing more than 30 miles due to shitty logistics doesn't mean the DIA didn't know.

But let's assume that the Pentagon didn't know--how would the United States have reacted differently?  Are there weapons that we would have supplied that we didn't?  Are there different training tactics that we would've used?

I don't know the answer to those questions.  But I kind of lean toward "no."  And if the answer is "no," then that kind of leads me to believe that the Pentagon did, in fact, have good intelligence on the shortcomings of the Russian Army and outfitted the Ukrainians to exploit those shortcomings effectively.

[Dahobbs 17447]

2 hours ago, KYHorn said:

Was really hoping to see 3 heads roll. Maybe back to the quadcopters.

It doesn't seem like it was targeting the troops, but the front of that bunker. I assume it was trying to take out a weapon emplacement. Assuming there was someone in that bunker, they ain't happy. As a one off attack something like this this may be marginally effective (removes a soldier or two, perhaps damages some equipment). But, if you combine something like that with a coordinated push, I assume it would be very effective.

[The Dog 43803]

 

[Scheiss Meister 8399]

3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

It doesn't seem like it was targeting the troops, but the front of that bunker. I assume it was trying to take out a weapon emplacement. Assuming there was someone in that bunker, they ain't happy. As a one off attack something like this this may be marginally effective (removes a soldier or two, perhaps damages some equipment). But, if you combine something like that with a coordinated push, I assume it would be very effective.

Every time I watch one of these videos I have to remind myself that a lot of context is missing from them.  Are these front line positions, or checkpoints in relatively uncontested areas?  What was the intended effect of the strike?  Was it to kill, or to kill and get the enemy to move and reveal his fallback positions?  Lots we can't tell just from the video.

[Gatorubet 30096]

10 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

It doesn't seem like it was targeting the troops, but the front of that bunker. I assume it was trying to take out a weapon emplacement. Assuming there was someone in that bunker, they ain't happy. As a one off attack something like this this may be marginally effective (removes a soldier or two, perhaps damages some equipment). But, if you combine something like that with a coordinated push, I assume it would be very effective.

The PTSD from ever present drone attack is worse for their psyche than the WWII Night Witches. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Every time I watch one of these videos I have to remind myself that a lot of context is missing from them.  Are these front line positions, or checkpoints in relatively uncontested areas?  What was the intended effect of the strike?  Was it to kill, or to kill and get the enemy to move and reveal his fallback positions?  Lots we can't tell just from the video.

Yeah. What looks at first glance to be a miss may in fact be an effort to disable a fortified weapon emplacement, weaken a front line position, and advance on it. 

This is materially different from the other drone footage we have seen. Previous videos have been of attacks on supply columns. This doesn't appear to be that.  And given the short range of the smaller switchblade, it almost has to be an assault on a front line position. 

[MidTexHorn 822]

11 hours ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Should be one of these instead. I used to fly on them during the Cold War.

 

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[BehoId, The Underminer! 11668]

Any consensus on whether the Admiral Marakov was really hit?  If so, on amount of damage?

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Kharkiv region, Russian helicopter destroyed.

Destroyed T-72B3, OOS.

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Trophy Russian T-72BZ

^Interesting timing

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[Rimbo 25779]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

What's the real state of the war now? I see nothing but videos of Ukrainians taking out Russians but the map makes it seems like the Russians are in control of more and more areas.

 

3 hours ago, Auto Driller said:

Best update is from the Institute for the Study of War on twitter. Basically, Russia is making little to no advances and are losing ground around Kharkiv in the northeast. If Ukraine can successfully take this area, Russian troops in the Donbas will be largely cut off from resupply. Kherson is also being actively contested. The “all out offensive” by Russia is failing, to no one’s surprise.

 

42 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

The Ukrainians' strategy seems to be retreats, to let the Orcs use up all their ammunition, and then once they're spent and exhausted, to push forward and retake the land.

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[SquishMitten 10400]

6 hours ago, wd40 said:

my guess is we've understood these things for a long time.  it's why we developed the automation we have for our comparable systems:  to have a battlefield advantage, or at least make up for the numerical disparity (at the time, in the 80s) with tech that lets us send more shit down-range, faster.

but how do you justify that expense to Congress by saying "russian gear sucks, we would mop their asses up just on training alone"?

I think you're correct here, and I don't really understand Trent's criticism. The only thing I can think of is how we initially handled the invasion. Why were we apparently so confidant that Russia would roll over them really quick leading to a lengthy insurgency? If we really knew their artillery capabilities, why didn't we immediately provide them with the equipment we're sending now? That would've prevented a shit ton of the shelling and destruction that's occurred up to this point.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

1 minute ago, SquishMitten said:

I think you're correct here, and I don't really understand Trent's criticism. The only thing I can think of is how we initially handled the invasion. Why were we apparently so confidant that Russia would roll over them really quick leading to a lengthy insurgency? If we really knew their artillery capabilities, why didn't we immediately provide them with the equipment we're sending now? That would've prevented a shit ton of the shelling and destruction that's occurred up to this point.

Maybe the uncertainty was in how hard Ukraine would fight?

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Welp

 

[Scheiss Meister 8399]

3 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

I think you're correct here, and I don't really understand Trent's criticism. The only thing I can think of is how we initially handled the invasion. Why were we apparently so confidant that Russia would roll over them really quick leading to a lengthy insurgency? If we really knew their artillery capabilities, why didn't we immediately provide them with the equipment we're sending now? That would've prevented a shit ton of the shelling and destruction that's occurred up to this point.

We just watched the Afghan government that we equipped melt like butter on hot toast, and took a lot of heat for the equipment that we gave them falling into Taliban hands.  I'm sure that, given the results of the last two Russian invasions of Ukraine, the administration wanted to be sure that the Ukrainians would fight and fight well.  Once they proved themselves, we opened the tap.

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^M777 sighting

We had a discussion 📞 with the President 🇷🇴 
@KlausIohannis
 about security developments in #Moldova and the region, but also the consequences of the war in Ukraine 🇺🇦 . We thank Romania for non-reimbursable € 100 million aid & humanitarian assistance to deal with the refugee crisis.

[SquishMitten 10400]

16 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

We just watched the Afghan government that we equipped melt like butter on hot toast, and took a lot of heat for the equipment that we gave them falling into Taliban hands.  I'm sure that, given the results of the last two Russian invasions of Ukraine, the administration wanted to be sure that the Ukrainians would fight and fight well.  Once they proved themselves, we opened the tap.

Touche. That is a very excellent point that I hadn't considered. 

[bolverk 29399]

Cool deal. Over on r/ukraine, they have a thing going called Art Friday. Here's some stuff posted recently I've come across.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Scheiss Meister 8399]

Speaking of Afghanistan: I have started wondering what kind of connection there is between our rapid departure there and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.  The planning for the invasion had to have started a year in advance of the invasion.  I wonder if we got intelligence on the planning and recognized the early training and movement of forces, along with logistical preparations, that indicated a time frame for the invasion?  It would explain the rapidity of the withdrawal.  I also wonder if we had/have intelligence indicating an attack on a NATO member was possible, further enforcing the need for preparations on our part.

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In local hospital of Nikolaev more than hundred patients need a hemodialysis daily - their lives literally depend on water. Orcs destroyed the city's infrastructure and left locals without water.

Together with the Poroshenko Foundation

@SpravaHromad

and the Brothers in Arms NGO, they delivered chemical water treatment systems to the local hospital and Vodokanal in Mykolayiv.

[Trey3216 15325]

10 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Speaking of Afghanistan: I have started wondering what kind of connection there is between our rapid departure there and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.  The planning for the invasion had to have started a year in advance of the invasion.  I wonder if we got intelligence on the planning and recognized the early training and movement of forces, along with logistical preparations, that indicated a time frame for the invasion?  It would explain the rapidity of the withdrawal.  I also wonder if we had/have intelligence indicating an attack on a NATO member was possible, further enforcing the need for preparations on our part.

That you Jen?  

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[PTINS 3442]

8 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Speaking of Afghanistan: I have started wondering what kind of connection there is between our rapid departure there and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.  The planning for the invasion had to have started a year in advance of the invasion.  I wonder if we got intelligence on the planning and recognized the early training and movement of forces, along with logistical preparations, that indicated a time frame for the invasion?  It would explain the rapidity of the withdrawal.  I also wonder if we had/have intelligence indicating an attack on a NATO member was possible, further enforcing the need for preparations on our part.

The "rapidity of the withdrawal" was a major cluster fuck without proper consideration of the longer term consequences.

Very similar to the coincident decisions to dramatically reduce the US production and use of fossil fuels, and the "need" to inject trillions of $ into a rapidly recovering economy.  

The Afghan disaster is precisely the reason we choose not to arm Ukraine with better weapons until after the invasion.

The US intelligence community was spot on, but that does not necessarily apply to the US Government.

 

     

[Dahobbs 17447]

35 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Speaking of Afghanistan: I have started wondering what kind of connection there is between our rapid departure there and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.  The planning for the invasion had to have started a year in advance of the invasion.  I wonder if we got intelligence on the planning and recognized the early training and movement of forces, along with logistical preparations, that indicated a time frame for the invasion?  It would explain the rapidity of the withdrawal.  I also wonder if we had/have intelligence indicating an attack on a NATO member was possible, further enforcing the need for preparations on our part.

 The previous President entered us into an agreement to leave. Our rapid departure was just the execution of that agreement. If any connection exists between our departure and the invasion, I'm confident it isn't because we were concerned a NATO member would be attacked. 

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[The Dog 43803]