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[MadBurgerMaker 403]

34 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Carriers are not allowed in the Black Sea in any case (rather, they aren’t allowed through the Dardanelles or Bosporus). The Kuznetsov is mostly a loss simply because it’s not trying down any NATO assets to watch it. 

Kuznetsov probably couldn't make it over there without help anyway.  It's more of an observation with this one.  I really kind of wonder why they didn't do this years ago and get the drydock evolution completed asap.  Once the floating dock sank, that is.  I guess this may be "asap" with them...

[956 Worldwide 34313]

1 hour ago, MadBurgerMaker said:

Kuznetsov probably couldn't make it over there without help anyway.  It's more of an observation with this one.  I really kind of wonder why they didn't do this years ago and get the drydock evolution completed asap.  Once the floating dock sank, that is.  I guess this may be "asap" with them...

It’s important to understand the constraints on Russia. It spends a comparatively large percent of GDP on its military, but that’s a GDP a bit smaller than New York state’s economy.  Imagine the strain it would put on Albany to keep a degraded carrier afloat and rebuild a destroyed dry-dock while also trying to be a major air and land power in Eurasia. Also consider that the Kuznetsov is mostly a vanity item that is useful mostly to prove that they are a power projecting blue-water navy. It’s a smoke belching rust bucket that would be worse than useless against a peer competitor and is absolutely useless in the actual war that Russia is in and has been planning for. Then factor in persistent corruption and graft across the entire process. 

The state of the Kuznetsov speaks powerfully to what Russia actually can do as a major power. 

[Hefeweizen 5307]

Man, fuck the NYT with a rusty butter knife for pushing that cede territory narrative.  Has no one learned how to deal with expansionist autocrats yet?  Fucking appeasers.

[CHIEF 5057]

2 minutes ago, Hefeweizen said:

Man, fuck the NYT with a rusty butter knife for pushing that cede territory narrative.  Has no one learned how to deal with expansionist autocrats yet?  Fucking appeasers.

It’s like your school teacher making the school bully give you your lunch money back,  but you still have to give him your tater tots. 
 CHIEF 

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Reports this morning of another failed RU bridging attempt with lots of destroyed RU equipment.

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[South Austin 52037]

12 hours ago, MillerEP said:

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[Gatorubet 30064]

4 hours ago, RPM said:

 

Nice Ukrainian color Garfield on the window. 

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Ukrainian fighters seized a T-72A and two BMP-1s.

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Octopus R18 in the Air Intelligence Service destroys another enemy BMP on the eastern front.

Zirkuni, Kharkiv region, artillery of the Armed Forces destroys the occupiers.

 

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[Gatorubet 30064]

23 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

People are joking that we are not far away from the Russians fielding T55s/54s.

Those SU-25s that keep getting shot down entered service in 1975.   This is the good stuff they are using. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19327]

18 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Those SU-25s that keep getting shot down entered service in 1975.   This is the good stuff they are using. 

The A10 entered service in 1977...but the A10s have been maintained and updated. 

[Gatorubet 30064]

16 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

The A10 entered service in 1977...but the A10s have been maintained and updated. 

True dat! They were stationed in Belle Chasse, and flew over my neighborhood on the reg.   Updated is the operative verb.  

Warthogs are forbidden to leave the US.  Bummer.  They are bad ass, and can take a lickin’ and still keep flying. 

[InkaUtexas 25424]

14 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

True dat! They were stationed in Belle Chasse, and flew over my neighborhood on the reg.   Updated is the operative verb.  

Warthogs are forbidden to leave the US.  Bummer.  They are bad ass, and can take a lickin’ and still keep flying. 

Wut? no they are not. We used the hell out of them in Afghanistan and Iraq. I know, saw quite a few hits in Helmand. Ugly bastards are gorgeous. 

[956 Worldwide 34313]

44 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

The A10 entered service in 1977...but the A10s have been maintained and updated. 

F-16s and F-15s also entered service in the 1970s.  The airframe is of less importance than the avionics, radar, and weapons systems on anything that isn’t 5th generation. The A-10 is closest to the Su-25, and also wouldn’t survive well in contested airspace on a modern battlefield. The losses of Su-25s are in large part due to a lack of precision guided missiles— they have to fly low to deliver their dumb bomb payload with anything approaching accuracy and are putting themselves at risk. 

[956 Worldwide 34313]

14 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Wut? no they are not. We used the hell out of them in Afghanistan and Iraq. I know, saw quite a few hits in Helmand. Ugly bastards are gorgeous. 

Yeah, the A-10s have been in lots of combat in our recent wars. Congress loves them because of the close air support role that fast jets just can’t provide against ISIS or the Taliban. 

[RPM 26185]

3 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Nice Ukrainian color Garfield on the window. 

He hates Mondays and Russians.

[Scheiss Meister 8398]

Those Su-25s are tougher than a boot sole.  The Mujahedeen had a hard time bringing them down, even with Stingers.  I read about an incident in the 90s where a Su-25 pilot forgot to lower his landing  gear and landed at a grass airfield.  Both engines ingested grass and dirt, causing  them to flame out.  They supposedly jacked the plane up, lowered the gear, set the plane down, and sent an airman crawling into the intakes to clean out what he could reach.  When he was done, the started the engines to blow the rest of the crap out, then taxied it to its stand.  True or not, some western aviation experts seemed to believe it.  The Frogfoot isn't as good as the Warthog, but it is a capable plane.

[RPM 26185]

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

The Frogfoot isn't as good as the Warthog, but it is a capable plane.

Both are Gen 4 and highly susceptible to MANPADS. If they try going for air superiority, it will not play out well.

[Gatorubet 30064]

56 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Wut? no they are not. We used the hell out of them in Afghanistan and Iraq. I know, saw quite a few hits in Helmand. Ugly bastards are gorgeous. 

I was talking currently. I thought I read a couple months ago that Congress had prevented the sale or lend lease of A-10s outside of the US. 

Could be wrong. In my defense, Congress passes stupid laws with the same frequency that Aggy claims championships

Edited May 22, 2022 by Gatorubet

[Gatorubet 30064]

43 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The A-10 is closest to the Su-25, and also wouldn’t survive well in contested airspace on a modern battlefield. The losses of Su-25s are in large part due to a lack of precision guided missiles— they have to fly low to deliver their dumb bomb payload with anything approaching accuracy and are putting themselves at risk. 

It is indeed a scary new MANPAD world. 

[InkaUtexas 25424]

1 minute ago, Gatorubet said:

I was talking currently. I thought I read a couple months ago that Congress had prevented the sale or lend lease of A-10s outside of the US. 

Could be wrong. In my defense, Congress passes stupid laws with the same frequency that Aggy claims championships

Congress is more trustworthy than aggy. 

We won't sell A-10's, but we deploy them. A lot. 

[InkaUtexas 25424]

19 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

Those Su-25s are tougher than a boot sole.  The Mujahedeen had a hard time bringing them down, even with Stingers.  I read about an incident in the 90s where a Su-25 pilot forgot to lower his landing  gear and landed at a grass airfield.  Both engines ingested grass and dirt, causing  them to flame out.  They supposedly jacked the plane up, lowered the gear, set the plane down, and sent an airman crawling into the intakes to clean out what he could reach.  When he was done, the started the engines to blow the rest of the crap out, then taxied it to its stand.  True or not, some western aviation experts seemed to believe it.  The Frogfoot isn't as good as the Warthog, but it is a capable plane.

As long as the Ukrainians keep shooting them down I am good. 

 

[Scheiss Meister 8398]

1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

As long as the Ukrainians keep shooting them down I am good. 

 

Me too.

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

6 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Congress is more trustworthy than aggy. 

We won't sell A-10's, but we deploy them. A lot. 

Didn’t congress try to shut down the entire platform as obsolete not long ago, until the services fought them over it?

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Speaking of airplanes

 

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And this is probably a tiny fraction of misinformation on YT.  Russia was working on banning it within Russia, but it was still useful as a propaganda platform. If YT inactively remove stuff, Russia will probably just fully ban it.

 

[RPM 26185]

7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Speaking of airplanes

 

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Meanwhile in Transnistria:

 

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Holy shit, this is aggy as fuck: "Whatever we can obtain will later be named our goals!"

But also Nazi as fuck, as they need to solve the "Ukrainian question" because they can't trust that future generations will solve it.

 

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On the one hand, creepy and scary as fuck for Ukrainians.

On the other hand, they are dropping the charade that it was about Naziism, threats to Russia, etc, and because they are acting like everything is going well, it's going to be really fucking hard for them to try and mobilize/conscript the civilian Russian population.

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[Gatorubet 30064]

1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Congress is more trustworthy than aggy. 

We won't sell A-10's, but we deploy them. A lot. 

Yup.  Again, I was not referencing “we” using them.   I read (I think) some convo about warthog aid to Ukraine and it was a no-go per some law.     Admit it may be dementia/excess old fashioneds/medical thc related b.s.  

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

47 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

That’s the level of joke Deep Blue could generate. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by Pato del Muerto

[Mother mopar 3291]

Didn’t congress try to shut down the entire platform as obsolete not long ago, until the services fought them over it?

No, the service (AF) wants to divest the older models (non-C models) as the flying hour cost is now on par with newer aircraft. Combined with the need to divest old aircraft to keep R&D on track for the NGAD fighter you can see its days are numbered.

What we learned in Afghanistan and Iraq was other platforms could perform close air support missions with longer loiter times than the A-10. However, the Army is in love w/the aircraft, and combined with political winds it's been an uphill battle to retire any jets

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And this was in the replies, we've seen it ,but still funny

 

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1 hour ago, Mother mopar said:

What we learned in Afghanistan and Iraq was other platforms could perform close air support missions with longer loiter times than the A-10. However, the Army is in love w/the aircraft, and combined with political winds it's been an uphill battle to retire any jets

The infantry really love it.   One of the few things they love (but not Cav Scouts).

 

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4 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Didn’t congress try to shut down the entire platform as obsolete not long ago, until the services fought them over it?

Congress has kept the platform alive.

I love the A-10, but it also would not show well in this setting against MANPADS.

Standoff fire and forget is the future of air support, probably unmanned, not BRRRRRRRRP style gun runs.

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Not sure if already posted but too fun to pass up. One of the better Hitler-Putin mashups.

 

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19327]

5 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

It is indeed a scary new MANPAD world. 

I bet there's some smart dudes in the pentagon rethinking CAS with a clean whiteboard. 

[Pato del Muerto 52321]

3 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I bet there's some smart dudes in the pentagon rethinking CAS with a clean whiteboard. 

Drone swarm!

[MadBurgerMaker 403]

7 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I bet there's some smart dudes in the pentagon rethinking CAS with a clean whiteboard. 

You just drop a 2,000lb LGB directly on the target from a B-1 at 30,000 feet.

E:  For CAS while easily avoiding MANPADs, that is.

Edited May 23, 2022 by MadBurgerMaker